How did Donald Trump lose so badly to Iran?

[Anonymous]

Everytime his supporters do their mental gymnastics to try justify his failing i laugh at them more and more. I don't think I can ever take a MAGA's opinion seriously ever again lmao.

BRICS is going to be the new global currency and the MAGAs will be living under Chinas rule soon because of Trump's failings in the Iran war.

[WhiteSteve]

Putting my personal feelings aside and not getting into too much mudslinging, I’d say the critical mistake is that the U. S. is trying to fight wars the old, now-unreliable way: through military might. Wars aren’t won on “You sunk my battleship!😤” anymore. It’s not just “the country with the biggest and baddest army wins.”

I’m no fan of the Iranian regime, but this has been a masterful punk-out of America; and it all comes as an unforced error. And no one is Birdman hand-rubbing over this like China, trust that…

It’s unfortunate that this came at such a cost, to us, and to the world order that wasn’t as bad as the prospective one we face now, all because the American electorate is stupid, selfish, bigoted, and believes in the most obviously false propaganda I could ever fear to witness.

The only positive to come out of this is that there’s no way for them to blame this on the left, not without looking pathetic, anyway; they WILL try, lmfao. Not holding yourself accountable and blaming all of your problems on others is kind of a prerequisite for membership😂 That’s what their penchant for “whataboutism” is based in. But the point is, we gave them ALL of the rope, and they’re hanging themselves with it in even more spectacular fashion than I envisioned. If Americans don’t learn their lesson about conservative leadership THIS TIME, then “The American Experiment” will be truly dead.

[exitseven]

I will take having the biggest and baddest Army any day of the week

[FrodoSkywalker007]

www.reuters.com/.../
caspianpost.com/.../iran-loses-over-90-of-its-missile-launchers-amid-conflict
apnews.com/.../iran-economy-sanctions-inflation-73b0278a0307030588cac9f47b3443e0

LIVE: U. S. Take Control Of Hormuz Strait In Iran - IRGC Ask For Ceasefire Talks / Tousi TV
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8grUsydNG0

Leftist are so weird 🤷‍♂️
Reality doesn't matter to them
Next year they will be screaming "Trump is committing genocide in Iran"

It's crazy

[WhiteSteve]

@exitseven Go ahead. That doesn’t win wars anymore, that’s all🤷‍♂️

[FrodoSkywalker007]

@WhiteSteve didn't realize economic collapse was winning wars 🤷‍♂️ last time checked it was 2 million rial, to 1 dollar. Extreme fuel shortages.

Leftists do largely see every day as opposite day 🤷‍♂️

[WhiteSteve]

@FrodoSkywalker007 Kindly fuck all the way off with any claims of denial. Just lmfao. I thought we won this war the first day? Why is the strait even in question (not that it’s our right to be controlling anyway)? Trump has declared victory like 40 times, yet there’s still military action and negotiations? And we did this because they have nukes, or almost? But they said we destroyed them in the summer of ‘25 with that supposedly wildly successful airstrike that they told us “completely obliterated” Iran’s nuclear program. And there’s no way they could’ve rebuilt in that time. Both things can’t be true; so which time did they lie to us? And then they switch gears and say it’s a liberation mission…. well? Where’s the revolution, if this is welcomed and we’ve cleared the way? Why is the same regime still in power? And why do you care about their women and gay people one day, but then cheer when Trump threatens to wipe out their entire situation? Also, are you unaware that America and Israel are bad actors on the world stage too? We’re not measurably better than Iran. We go about our diet differently, but it’s all dirt at the end of the day. I definitely don’t see us as superheroes of the world. I’d love to feel that way, but that requires disbelieving my lying eyes. I’m not trying to be unpatriotic; I’m trying to be objective and unbiased, and not just blindly loyal just because I was born here.

[WhiteSteve]

@FrodoSkywalker007 *Kindly fuck all the way off with any claims of REALITY denial

[FrodoSkywalker007]

@WhiteSteve I'm more interested in reality.
I've been very critical of Trumps handling of the war. He has been far too cautious. I have a friend in Tehran who shares my same views.

Iranians largely support regime change
gamaan.org/.../
gamaan.org/.../

Many celebrated during the initial strikes. Unfortunately, Trump has little interest in regime change. It is another major disagreement I have.

Iran has attacked the USA hundreds of times
www.fdd.org/.../

They also resorted immediately to attacking gulf state neighbors when incapable of handling US and Israeli strikes

UAE Minister says Iran attacks are 'almost unhinged' ABC NEWS / ABC News (Australia)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sf6URxI7XCw

[FrodoSkywalker007]

@WhiteSteve you are also exaggerating things.
Trump never claimed the war was won day one, he began making those claims largely during the Summer. He's grandiose in his language and it doesn't help. Another one of his weaknesses.

Currently, Iran is asking for talks and an end. The economic warfare has been more destructive than the strikes, and those destroyed around $1 trillion of military infrastructure

LIVE: IRGC Collapsing From Within As Police Officers Defect - Mass Executions Begin In Iran / Tousi TV
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn05hfLezzg

I'd suggest avoiding legacy news. Their trust ratings are at historical lows for a reason
news.gallup.com/.../trust-media-new-low.aspx

[WhiteSteve]

@FrodoSkywalker007 The U. S. being involved in the Middle East and in Iran specifically is AMERICA’S FAULT. We have no justifiable business being there. Whether we like Iran or we don’t, that’s where they live and they get to handle their business however they want to handle their business, just like we would demand for ourselves. We don’t have license to insert ourselves wherever we see fit around the world. We’re imperialists and resource pirates, which are mortal sins of national character. We are the bad guy. Anything done to us, like it or not, is warranted retaliation. What would you do if Iran (or if you prefer someone more military competitive with us, China) just rolled up on America and was like “we control the Gulf Of Mexico, and the entire Atlantic and Pacific seaboards now, because fuck you.”

That’s my entire point: I don’t want America to ever, ever, ever, everevereverevereverEVER do anything —in service of ANY goal or gain— to anyone else that we wouldn’t tolerate being done to US.

My entire problem with everything right wing is that none of it adheres to “The Golden Rule”, which is supposed to be basic and universal

[FrodoSkywalker007]

@WhiteSteve name a global power in history that didn't have global reach?

[WhiteSteve]

@FrodoSkywalker007 We’re not playing Risk, dude. We have to evolve past this entire mentality as humans, or else we’re fucked. I don’t have much else to say on the topic, so have a nice day✌️

[FrodoSkywalker007]

@WhiteSteve so then we should stop trading with each other?
Major powers should not use economic power and industrial ability?
China shouldn't be allowed to invest trillions in global markets?

Not sure where it stops 🤷‍♂️

[WhiteSteve]

@FrodoSkywalker007 “Not sure where it stops” — this is called “slippery slope fallacy”, a logical fallacy device used disingenuously in debates.

I said what I said. “Winner take all” bullshit is not feasible for the modern world; that’s Neanderthal thinking. There not some mind-blowing pseudo-intellectual argument you’re going to make to me that’s going to make me abandon my moral principles. I don’t think right wingers are politically misguided; I think they’re animals, morally. Full stop, my mind is made up after DECADES of deliberation, especially this past decade. I’m not swayable by the very people I believe to be savages unfit for society. We’re both spinning our wheels here, so let’s just spit at the ground near each other’s feet and walk away. I’m not interested in knowing you or interacting with you

[FrodoSkywalker007]

@WhiteSteve you have very little understanding of the world 🤷‍♂️
You do this all the time.
Enter into a debate, have your worldview challenged, make an emotional statement, and run off 🤦‍♂️

[WhiteSteve]

Lmao. JFC. GOODBYE✌️

[FrodoSkywalker007]

🤦‍♂️ 🤷‍♂️

[exitseven]

@WhiteSteve I would hate to be on the receiving end of a B2 bomber attack.
upload.wikimedia.org/.../...it_bombing%2C_1994.jpg

[FrodoSkywalker007]

@exitseven agreed

[gasman70]

this is just a copout and the rants of someone who really doesn't understand what they're really talking about.

[exitseven]

wait a minute, isn't Iran the one without an navy or air force? Isn't Iran the one whose nuclear facilities were destroyed? Isn't Iran the one whose economy is in free fall? Isn;t Iran the one whose all their top leaders are dead? Isn't Iran at the mercy of the US?

Who lost?

[FrodoSkywalker007]

Don't forget they lost the hormuz recently with the Mines being cleared 😂

LIVE: U. S. Take Control Of Hormuz Strait In Iran - IRGC Ask For Ceasefire Talks / Tousi TV
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8grUsydNG0

[exitseven]

@FrodoSkywalker007 the strait will be a US territory.

[FrodoSkywalker007]

@exitseven probably if Iran keeps down this direction.
Leftists when then pivot back to the "genocide" argument they had months ago

[exitseven]

Thanks for the MHO

[Anonymous]

Trump would probably just say he’s winning and his MAGA cult will believe him at face value because they lack critical thinking skills.

[Anonymous]

Did he lose? He is distracting from Epstein? That's a win in his book

[Anonymous]

All the military experts on here that claim Iran has already been defeated are the same kind of people who thought Ukraine wouldn't last 2 weeks in a war with Russia. Trump hasn't lost yet but he's a long way from a win and this could drag on for a while.

[FrodoSkywalker007]

I don't see anyone here claiming anyone won other than the asker 🤷‍♂️

[msc545]

Donald Trump is not very intelligent at all, and he certainly has no skills at military planning or strategy, even though he thinks he does. Donald Trump is the living embodiment of Dunning-Kruger Syndrome, where he thinks and knows a lot more than he actually knows.

[strateguy632]

there is a joke about the iran world cup game. when egypt eliminated iran 1-1, iran said we WIN because we are still alive. same one point does not matter. we win.

[Anonymous]

What did he lose? What did Iran win?

America won that. Trillions were made for US companies out of all that.

[Asker]

No wall yet 😂 promises made none of them kept. No wall that he promised since 2016. I'll always remember just incase you forget.

[strateguy632]

trump did BUILD more wall until JUDGES interfered so he obeyed the activist judges. not trump's fault.

[gasman70]

uh, how did he lose? I'm not sure how this is the perception.

[slatyb]

He loses at everything except grift.

[FrodoSkywalker007]

You guys are certainly desperate 🤦‍♂️