The arab claim, for land is far from truth but which family?

[strateguy632]

1, some people these days, try to link #palestine name to ancient philistines, as if same tribe but even that would not help the claim.

those who live in germany are germans and same type of name if live in palestine part of ottoman. just name of land, not the same family.

2. Even if we assume just for a moment: plistim is plistim still -not the canaan who israel expelled from west bank in 1000 B. C. named in the record part: genesis 10:4-17.

misraim was brother knan. from knan jebusites but plistim from misraim egypt. not same family. so even if say trick: "same name" still not the dwellers. just a trick.

israel conquered "canan the jebus' but plistim is different family. the jew war was when wars were recognized as conquering. like muslim conquest was not condemned at the time. until now.

3. also archeology challenged. archeology found signs of war in other ancient places but not in the time of joshua! the stories were just action fiction. ancient people knew those parts were fiction.

the writers knew it was fiction and wrote clues: authors added 'not with your sword' in book joshua 24. it seems a contradiction but it really helped label the war stories as fable. even the "war" of amorite

they lived side by side: book judges. not a self contradiction it is the "fiction label" for the fable war parts.

but which family? i say arabs are ismael. not pilistim and not the knan from whom israel in story conquered.

muslim celebrate "ed el adha" agree with me they are from ismeal. but ismeal not same family as knan! 3 separate tribes.

we see the arab claim, of land, is many steps away. just twisted and warped as a costume for jew hatred to cause hating jews wrongly and unreasonably. we see: far from any sensible claim. just 'names sound similar' is nonsense so which family?

arabs are ismael

arabs are plistim

only recent matters from 1800-1948 no president of palestine

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[onmyradar]

Here's the thing, Abraham was in the land of Israel 4,000 years ago. 2,000 BC, a thousand years before the Philistines were there. But if you see where the original Palestinians were, they were not actually in Israel they were a Part of where Jordan is. Plus when you break down the term Palestinian, it means the wandering people. That means that they really had no spot as that tribe were Nomads. Palestine and Philistine are not the same even though they could be described as descendants in a way. If you look at the lineage of Ismael he was the bastard son of Abraham not the prophecy that God spoke about between Abraham and the holy covenant between him and his wife. Plus, if God is perfect, "Allah" then how did he send down Jesus who was described to be perfect even in the koran, by the angel Gabriel, as a direct messenger of Allah, then Allah said that it was a mistake because he said that Jesus was wrong by claiming he was the Son of God, so how can someone be perfect in the eyes of God/Allah and then blaspheme? you can't occupy those two spaces and be perfect in the eyes of God. Secondly, Muhammad claims to be the descendant of Ismael, or his followers claim but there is zero way to prove that through the Old testament, as that would be the only way it could be. What other historical documents that go back 4,000 years in the Islamic religion that could trace that? Plus, since Islam was a religion in 652AD that's 2600 years after Ismael's life. There are many things that you could point out in the Koran, Allah's word from Gabriel, and the Hadiths which are the life and teachings of Muhammad, that are directly reinforced by Allah to say that Muhammad's words are should be taken the same way as Allah. If you take the word, MU SLIM, you see that the term Muhammad and Islam are fused together. you must be a follower of both, meaning the Hadiths and the Koran. There are a lot of things in the Hadiths that most people don't see that undermine the Koran and the opposite are also true, and there's absolutely no other measures to fact check either one otherwise.

[strateguy632]

superb! i agree. many angles presented well. 👍🥇

[Just_Ken]

Palestinians are Arab colonisers. Most natives after muslim conquests have seen their populations diminish to the point of nothing or completely disappear.

[strateguy632]

correct the muslim conquest left saudi and colonized and did genocide to whatever pagan was south or east and west of mecca. destroyed all the way to spain. spain is not claimed by muslims now- no 'end occupation. free spain' that would not hurt jew. they only complain about land that israel got back. and revived jew government.

[Just_Ken]

You see it all over the muslim world in countries they conquered. Non-muslims are not allowed any self governance at all in historic lands they live on. Just look at Pakistan. No building thats Christian, hindu, seik, buddist place of worship is still standing.

[RavVid]

Well they are all just bitzers with lots of guys and girls sharing dna over millenium. There is very little arab in middle east people. Varying from 0 to 20%. They have just adopted Arabic culture and religion is all.

Much like Mexicans adopting American culture today.

Even so, they have to argue it was fine for Arabs to conquer the Levant in 636 AD but it is not OK for another group to conquer them in the 21st century. Their whole claim rests on that hypocrisy.

DNA evidence seems to suggest Jews are side branch of Canaanites that formed after the Sea People pillaged the area.

The Egyptians settled the Peleset sea people into Canaan who became Philistines.

Maybe giving each Palestinian a dna test to prove they are not Arabs would help world peace. If everybody is a Canaanite they have no excuse for not getting on with each other.

[strateguy632]

good points. it makes sense jews carry canan, because they lived as neighbors, in book judges and probably intermarried with mix kids.
a dna study split levant type from arab type.
also the conquest hypocrisy you mentioned. and israel was defense in 1967, only advancing over border to push back attackers who refused to surrender.
where did you read this stuff?
where is a study like that?

[strateguy632]

still assuming jordanians are levant they live in levant not lost land. those arabs in israel still live in israel and can vote for non jews. but arabs said anonymous polls: get better treatment from jews. the main difference between British and #palestinian is that only British governed the land named palestine.

[RavVid]

I watch too much YouTube and if if you show interest in a particular topic it is good at throwing more on the topic at you. I am fairly selective in what I take note of and whilst I don't have ready access to academic papers I do try to triangulate on facts before I start to accept them. Not that a few dna readings are necessarily representative.

I am very interested in history and the migration of peoples so that is the angle I come from.

All the major civilizations collapsed around 1150 BC in the Bronze Age Collapse. It seems Canaan collapsed then and various bits went on independent paths. One of those were possibly Jews and with central gov't down they went off in their own direction without obstruction.

You'll know more about that than I will. I just have it noted to read up on sometime. :)

[RavVid]

I don't have a grip on Jewish time lines as yet so I can't match up as I''d like. Would appreciate what you can tell me what was before and after 1150 BC

What i find most annoying is muslim countries criticizing the Crusades. Islamic forces were invading Christian countries so what was illegitimate about Christian forces defending Christendom huh?

A very hypocritical attitude.