Why do leftists defend Palestinians with anti-gay/trans views, yet celebrate a right-wing white man's murder for similar views?

[PsychoChris]

So if someone who isn't white is "homophobic" or "transphobic" it's ok but if a white man does it they suddenly don't care about his life and laugh at his death.

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

Oh lord, victim complex much?

They don't hate whites or love Palestine's views. They just don't like genocide when they see it. They are more tolerant with a difference in opinion and not of pure violence.

At least you are one of the rare ones who admit Kirk was flawed.

[FrodoSkywalker007]

@Ez-Bri-Z_v2 just as long as it's not Christians in Africa, or any other group that doesn't fit in the fad of the day 🤷‍♂️

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

Yeah I don't see many MAGA protests about it either. They tend to worry more about themselves.

[FrodoSkywalker007]

On the contrary. It seems only right wingers who are mentioning genocides everywhere else.
For the left wing, the palestine movement has become the new blm.
Ironically, it's not even a genocide, and they are supporting an organization that hates them, called for the extermination of jews, and in the past supported Hitler 🤷‍♂️

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

And Israel is calling for a genocide too and are just as guilty of different crimes themselves. They are both horrible, but the difference is that Israel is getting help from countries like the US which makes them look like bullies. The left doesn't like that look and so they support Palestine.

[FrodoSkywalker007]

Hamas gets support from the IRGC. They build military infrastructure into civilian buildings on purpose. They routinely attack Israeli territory. Israel is responding to aggression as its been forced to for decades.

You realize Gaza was once part of Egypt? They refused to free them, and now share a border that is closed. Do you realize Palestinians caused a civil war in Jordan, known as Black September? The only reason Arabs "help" them (and I use that word loosely, because they don't trust them or care for them) is due to the extreme antisemitism that exists in the Muslim world.

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

And? It's all about perception in a what have you done for me lately society. The US has done terrible things as a society. Most countries have. Yet, we still proudly wave our flag and claim it as the best country in the world. Funny how that works.

[FrodoSkywalker007]

So, as a queer, why would you support Palestine or Hamas? Why such a push beyond other related issue?

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

I don't remember saying I do, but both are assholes in this scenario.

You can still feel bad for a group even if they disagree with your life. It may be more just anti Israel with some of them over pro Palestine. Who knows?

[FrodoSkywalker007]

My position is this.
If the NEO Nazis or KKK want to retake the country, launch attacks on blacks and kill them, and then suffer significant retribution...
I'm not supporting them, simply because are some perceived minority group or oppressed class. 🤷‍♂️

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

Congratulations?

So you won't be supporting MAGA then as they are trying to suppress minorities of all different kinds for example, trans men and women, hell, all of lgbt for that matter. Not even mentioning taking away opportunities for colored Americans, punishing women by taking away medical decisions and now going after abortion pills, and soon, birth control.

Thanks for your support against their causes.

[FrodoSkywalker007]

I don't see them doing any of that, but I've heard arguments it's happening 🤷‍♂️

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

I think I've asked this before, but if not, willfully ignorant or just complicit?

[FrodoSkywalker007]

What rights have you lost?

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

They have already begun challenging gay marriage in courts. Some justices have already opened the window to overturn it. It's just a matter of time. Dept of education has already rescinded title 9 protections for lgbt. Abortion access. Just to name a few.

As for trans Americans, many have had their health care removed from federal health plans. Most have been removed from the military with dishonorable discharges so they wouldn't get their benefits. This administration has threatened to withhold federal tax dollars for health institutions that treat trans patients with HRT meds and surgery options and when that doesn't work, they take them to court.

Shall I go on?

[FrodoSkywalker007]

So, you support biological men in women's sports?
I thought you didn't, or were on the fence.

[Pterodon]

Genocide? I don’t see ghettos, concentration camps or death camps. Nor do I see Palestinians taken to death camps and murdered just for being Palestinian. The nazis wrote the book on how to mass murder for extinction and I see none of it

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

Nobody really asked you, but no, they just take their homes, kill them when their citizens try to receive humanitarian aid, and bomb the shit out of them. There is more than one way to genocide a population you know.

As for you Frodo, what the hell does that have to do with what I said? You can choose not to have trans women in women's sports and still not be OK with all the rest of what I listed.

[FrodoSkywalker007]

I'm just looking at this list confused. 🤷‍♂️
It seems common sense in a lot cases, or things that don't really rip your rights away

Indiana for example has banned abortion, outside of incest, rape, illness, or the women's life 🤷‍♂️
Are there cases where abortion is needed outside of that?
Or are you supporting those who haven't heard of condoms or can't keep their legs closed?
Seems healthier

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

And yet in those states that supposedly have the exceptions, practioners are still afraid of prosecution from the state for performing abortions even to save the life of the child. In other states they have tried to press criminal charges against women even having miscarriages.

It doesn't matter the reason in the end, it's still our right not to allow something to take over our body for 9 months if birth control fails (and it does) and EVEN if they dont use it, it's STILL a choice for women to make, not men who have no say in the matter.

I guarantee if men had to carry children, abortion would be allowed in every state and paid for by the government.

And what exactly is common sense in my list? Stripping away lgbt rights? Only to the sadistic mind does it make sense, I suppose.

[FrodoSkywalker007]

Oh no, men just have no say when it comes to war and other things 🤷‍♂️

Common sense, in that it seeks to remove degenerate attitudes. 🤷‍♂️
Women have the privilege to control a process that involves 2 people.
They can throw false claims on a man and st the very least, ruin his reputation, or life.
They can control a decision that usually takes 2
They can control who actually raises that baby
And in the cases we see today, apparently women want make the decision if that baby li es outside of the womb.
🤷‍♂️
Seems to remove a few process where women have overreach.
Now we need to curb metoo shenanigans

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

You really dont have much of an argument when you keep moving the goal posts of the debate. First it was removing rights of all of lgbt and it became "well trans athletes" now it's "men have no rights and are falsely accused of rape". Women having the right to an abortion has ZERO to do with false rape accusations and to lump those together is not arguing in good faith Sheesh, stay on topic.

Men just want to control women's bodies, plain and simple, whether it be about pregnancy or us wanting equality and use feminism as a guiding force to get those rights. Some men can't stand a stronger woman standing up to him.

If men want to have a say then they need to invent a way to carry babies themselves. To force a woman to do it is controlling her choices and her body.

If the parents are split and a baby is born, then the courts decide. Not the mother solely.

And false rape claims are exceedingly rare. Actual rape claims are often overlooked, under litigated, and are actually extremely hard on the victim as everything she said or did is on trial instead of the one who committed the actual crime. Sure, you want to ask questions about the pertinent details, but when courts and society are asking "well what was she wearing?" then we have a problem.

[FrodoSkywalker007]

I don't know 🤷‍♂️ sadly,. I've been a target of this, so I see how it impacts men.
It destroys you.
My health collapsed and I nearly died. Still trying (and failing) to recover.
Vindictive women are dangerous, especially when given all the power.

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

Sorry you went through it, but again, it's rare.

I guess I can only give you the same advice men give women in this case when it comes to sleeping with the wrong man and getting pregnant:

You have to choose better partners/you shouldn't just date Stacey's (or whatever bullshit name incels give attractive women).

It's an asinine response and I would never really say that to you, but the point stands that it's kind of a double standard that guys will say that to women but want sympathy for picking the wrong woman themselves. 🤷‍♀️

[FrodoSkywalker007]

Wasn't my partner 🤷‍♂️
But unlike many women, I have zero issues with holding responsibility for my own choices.

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

And unlike many men as well I suppose.

[FrodoSkywalker007]

I'm not sure.
No equivalent to Lindsay Clancy support 🤷‍♂️

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

Like i said in another answer, I dont support what she did, but PPD is a legit thing that goes often overlooked in women. My friend is going through it currently and even though she would never hurt her daughter, she has hurt herself. It's possible that Clancy leashed out instead of internalizing. She needed treatment. Not sure her circumstances of why she didn't get it, but I at least understand what may have triggered her, even if i abhor how she reacted.

[FrodoSkywalker007]

The support is disgusting 🤢

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

🤷‍♀️

I understand it, as do many others who have gone through it. doesn't excuse what she did, but whether you hate it or not, she was impaired in some way and it clouded her judgment.

[FrodoSkywalker007]

So are most murderers

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

Yep and she should be punished for it, but all I am saying is that PPD is a thing that can cause issues like that. It needs to be dealt with early and often to help prevent tragedies like what happened.

[FrodoSkywalker007]

Well, clearly she had access and love. She had many supports I was never given.
I never ended up killing my children 🤷‍♂️

[FrodoSkywalker007]

They hate the west. They hate whites.

Sad truth 🤷‍♂️

Once you realize this, everything makes sense.

It's not about supporting minorities, or oppressed people. It's about hating western society and those with European heritage.

[Pterodon]

That’s how liberals are. Their only foreign policy is to join hands and sing Kumbaya with our enemies.

[DonaldDarko]

Because they're full of shit.

[Anonymous]

Source?

[PsychoChris]

Charlie Kirk and leftists empathy for Palestinians is my source... Response? Of course not