Did the Aryans bring the caste system to India?

[MerakSahibi]

If you think the white man first occupied India during the reign of Queen Elizabeth I, you are completely wrong...
Once upon a time, there was a civilization that flourished around the present-day Indus River (Indus actually means river in Sanskrit), likely speaking a Dravidian language. Today, people make fun of Indians defecating on the streets; however, back then, that civilization had constructed the most advanced sewage systems of its era. So why did it vanish?

Svastika cames from Indo-Europeans

Blonde, blue-eyed people coming from the north had domesticated the horse, practiced metallurgy, and built a pastoral lifestyle. (Thanks to EHG genes, they had lactose tolerance.) Their lifestyle, built on meat, milk, and movement, made them the largest people of their age; as if that were not enough, they invented the chariot and set about invading India. These incursions led to the collapse of the settled civilization and the formation of the caste system.
Genetics tells us that people belonging to the upper castes truly carry much, much more of these conquerors' genes, bringing them closer to Europeans

[GothEgg]

The caste system in India arose on its own. Related to aristocracy, living in cities, serfs and agriculture workers. In most Asian countries lighter skin is the sign of a higher caste/city dwellers and darker the sign of field workers. A few thousand years later they are practically different ethnicities

[Taranis_Thunor]

Which is more proof that it came from European civilisation. Especially how the mythology of Hinduism tells the same story's European myths have and the original Aryan civilisation in the east worshipped Indra (Thor / Zeus) & Mitra (Odin / Mercury) though now they worship some more abstract manifestation of those gods (Vishnu and Shiva).
The backbone for civilisation was spread from Europe to the east. Japan didn't start developing into a civilised urban culture until they adopted Buddhism and were just a bunch of Yayoi tribes just as tribalistic as the native Jomonese Emishii barbarians they would go on to colonise.
China's a slight exception having developed agriculture so early but even in China's case the Buddhist & Confucianist worldview would replace the more traditional Taoist religion. Also China doesn't have as much of a long continuous history as one might suspect as those farming cultures in China often broke apart & were invaded by foreign tribal groups, then they'd manifest as a new empire with a new culture.
People don't want Europe to be where these structured, patriarchal class based societies originate from because the academia doesn't like white people. We can acknowledge civilisation first started in the east but not the contributions & implications of the Indo-European expansions.

[Taranis_Thunor]

Scholars have he same view on white people as you Irish do on us Anglos 😂

[GothEgg]

@Taranis_Thunor no. Europe was covered in forests at the time you speak of and had no civilisation. Remember Indian civilisation is as old or may predate ancient Egypt. The Caste system is an indengious purely Asian thing that has never existed in Europe

[Taranis_Thunor]

Not as complex as modern day India's but we functionally absolutely had a caste system & the Sky-Fatherly patriarchal monogamy culture was spread by an Indo-European nomadic warrior culture.
Europe's rivers was settled by Neolithic Farmers capable of building megastructures like stone henge & giant long houses. One of the most populated agricultural people's in the world was in Moldavia & western Ukraine, we call it the Cucateni-Trypilia culture (they built some of the most beautiful cities in the world at the time).
These farmer cultures were then conquered & given a heavy patriarchal clan-like structure & marriage customs, cattle farming, advanced metallurgy in weaponry, chariot warfare. These people were not as impressive at building as the Neolithic people they colonised but that doesn't mean they had "no civilisation" unless you simply measure civilisation by how urbanised a region is.

[Taranis_Thunor]

If that's how we measure civilisation then why is the 1st world donating so much in charity to places like Africa & modern India? (The place infamous for having feces everywhere)
"The Caste system is an indigenous purely Asian thing that has never existed in Europe" Look up the Germanic mythology of Thrall (the bald slave man), Carl (the medium length haired freeman) and Jarl (the fair haired aristocrat). There is plenty in both ancient and medieval European history showing that higher classes did not mix with lower classes & in the Irish story of Cu Cuhlainn slaves were depicted as not ideal because they'd pass down "Bondi" blood (slave DNA) to their offspring.
The caste-like worldview was undermined by the spread of Christianity which was anti-slavery, but even centuries after conversion aristocracy would only marry amongst aristocracy and the same was generally true for the other classes.
Why do you presume the worldviews found in Asia were unique to Asia & not also present in Europe? The caste system wasn't even as rigid in India as people presume as it became more so under British occupation.

The Andronovo people were the first Aryan culture and they were white, European descended people living in central Asia.

[GothEgg]

@Taranis_Thunor predated the arrival of aryans by 1000 years. Aryans being a nomadic horse people from Central Europe didn't have a caste system. Like most other invaders of india apart from the Persians and Greeks they were horse warriors from the Eurasian steppe. Last ones being the Mughals.
The Aryans, Sythians, iranians, goths, vandals and others any relationship they had to germanic peoples have long disappeared due to time and development.
The British brought a lot of bad to india but also a lot of good.

[GothEgg]

Remember European feudalism mostly existed in the medieval period and of course Russia up until 1917.
European serfdom and the Indian caste system were both hierarchical agrarian structures, but they differed fundamentally in their legal basis, religious grounding, and social mobility.

Legal Status and Land Ties

• European Serfdom: Serfs were legally bound to a specific plot of land. If the land changed hands to a new lord, the serfs went with it. They were unfree laborers who owed physical labor and a portion of their crops to their lord, but they were not chattel slaves.
• Indian Caste System: Most peasants and laborers within the Indian Feudalism and European Feudalism study framework were not legally tied to the soil in the same mandatory manner. Instead, status was tied to varna (broad classes) and jati (endogamous birth groups) that dictated hereditary occupations, regardless of specific land ownership

[Taranis_Thunor]

I asked Google "did the caste system predate andronovo influence" (Andronovo being the proto-aryan culture)
the answer was; "The Andronovo culture (c. 2000–1450 BCE) was a major Bronze Age steppe horizon in Central Asia associated with the Proto-Indo-Iranians. It was the descendants of this culture—the Indo-Aryans—who migrated into the Indian subcontinent around 1500 BCE."
They introduced Gods like Indra the Thunderer & Mitra, who is a soul guide, to the Iranians & Indians. The comparisons to these early Indo-Iranian gods is very similar to that of other European pantheons with even their story's sharing the same worldview.
"The British brought a lot of bad to india but also a lot of good." Yes we mostly did great things for India and now get hate is for it 😔 I guess they really just wanted to burn their wives.

[Taranis_Thunor]

"European feudalism mostly existed in the medieval period " Yeah European feudalism was the combination of Germanic oral law written down & merged with Roman governance, which is why the Anglo Saxons (who violently purged out Roman civilisation from East Britain) for instance weren't feudal & had a more Germanic style government then the French & Germans had.
" legal basis, religious grounding, and social mobility." I'm not so sure about that when it comes to pre-Christian worldview in Northern Europe because you had the "Godi/Druid". The idea these were just priests isn't wholly accurate and they represent the cultic traditions associated with "Mercury" (Woden & Lugh) who are soul guide "wizard" style gods. We can find the long golden wizard hats (they even had stars in them) from the late bronze age & early iron age prominent in wealth across Northern Europe. The amount of wealth displayed indicates these were wizards.

[Taranis_Thunor]

The Romans commented on the druids like they were a priesthood with a Vatican at Ynys Mon but honestly I think that's nonsense and was just an excuse to root out the intellectual class from Gaul, Britain & Spain.
In Germanic sources the Godi (who likely arose when WodanaZ replaced TiwaZ & they were introduced to ThunaraZ who came from Celtic Taranis) were Woden cultists, the skalds & warrior class. The Germanic Godi (leader of the ceremony) was always a Ealdorman, who were the Thanes, Earls & Kings. The Romans themselves often struggle to distinguish between the Celts & Germanics who bordered each other & Celtic sources in Britain often describe their own druidry performing much like these secular rulers.
So the North-Western European equivalent to the Brahma caste was merged with the warrior Kshatriya caste (more fitting for Zeus, Jupiter, Perun and Thor cultic rites). Adam if Bremen mentioned a pagan temple in Sweden, where gruesome sacrifices took place. The wood carvers & temple builders did not depict Odin as King of the Gods but rather Thor, being throned & crowned in the middle with Freyr & Odin standing to his side. This iconography mirrors Slavic tradition (where Veles the soul guide wizard is the King of the Gods father, the Thunderer Perun) more then what we know from our Germanic sources (which was preserved by Odin inclined Skalds).
This could suggest the more popular yet less elitist Thor was thought to be the center of the cosmos in the cults that represented wood carvers in Swedish culture. It makes sense as both sound & sight are perceptions of a similar energy, with Odin associated with sound & Thor with light.
You seem like quite a smart girl.. handy if you plan on sacking Rome again 🐦‍⬛🔥⛪🔥🐦‍⬛

[jshm2]

LOL, no.

The Indian caste system existed there way before the White man conquered the place.

[FrodoSkywalker007]

You need to really work ok your insecurities

[FrodoSkywalker007]

*on not ok 😂

[moddy_the_mod]

quit blaming white people for your shitty country

[LazerBean]

No 😂

[Agape93]

Nope

[Anonymous]

Nope