Have you ever shifted your support for political parties if so why?

[Danny_dan92]

I went from being a democrat for 8 years, republican for 5 and I been a non voting libertarian for the past 3 years (because there’s no third option)


I agree with policies from both parties


Examples:

Pro gun (the government should not dictate how private citizens decide to protect their property and family from bad people)

Pro choice (A man shouldn’t dictate what women can do, vice versa)

Anti big government which includes decreasing spending (Gov. spending is why the dollar has depreciated in value over the past 40+ decades aka inflation and why we’re in debt)

Less taxes (so that people that work for a living can actually afford a decent life)

Anti war (self explanatory)

[Chazmatazz269]

I chose to be conservative early in life, mostly as a contrarian to my foolhardy peers. My mother is also a sexist pig, so there was a bit of maternal rebellion therein as well. I started shifting toward liberalism in my mid twenties when rebloodlicans’ hypocrisy and sabotage politics were plain to see. I completed the transition when i joined the IBEW and learned about the history of the labor movement and rebloodlicans continued getting worse instead of better.
It wasn’t until the end of the Obama administration that democripps’ lunacy started pushing me away. Like a lot of classic liberals, my politics haven’t actually significantly changed in the last twenty years. The left has simply gone full ret*rd and i think we all know that you’re never supposed to go full ret*rd.

https://youtu.be/X6WHBO_Qc-Q?is=hoRHG1FTxtHr8tZI

By comparison to the modern left, even classic liberals appear “far right” and they are wholly unabashed about telling us as much.
In reality, my core values haven’t really changed much in my lifetime. I just learned where i was wrong about certain things as my knowledge and experience grew and i’ve learned to “occasionally hang question marks on things i’ve long held to be true” (Bertrand Russell). The modern left pushed me out because i wasn’t ret*rded enough to accept without question the stuff they are pushing.
I am temperamentally liberal and intellectually conservative. Libertarian is closer to my core value system than anything else out there. There ARE libertarians in almost every major election too, chap. That’s a lousy excuse to not vote. Especially these days. While you’re busy wishing we had perfect candidates, lousy candidates are taking seats and f*cking everything up. Between that apathy and the people who are overly content with the whole “lesser of two evils” treadmill, the majority of people are handing over our country to a minority of extremely motivated radicals.
I hope you’re armed and stockpiled. I fear that we are dangerously close to the point of no return.

[blueonblack22]

I was democrat (ish) in the late 2000s. But when Obama’s true colors came out during his second term (he was a Trojan horse for all the leftist insanity we see today) I shifted republican. What really pushed me in that direction was how democrats were treating average people who say they were voting for Trump in 2016.

If you hate Trump, fine. But when you start attacking anybody who voted for him that can have reverse psychology on people. That bullsh*t only made me want to vote republican even more at the time.

Anyway I actually don’t have a problem with classical liberalism. The phrase liberal means to be liberated. In many ways I am a “liberal”.

But the democrat party today is NOT about liberalism. NO. It’s about radical leftism which is the true fascism.

However I understand why the democrats crushed the midterms. While Trump had some good ideas he has horrible optics on how he rolled them out. Special treatment and perception of corruption didn’t help either. The optics of him hanging out with billionaires while most of us are struggling definitely didn’t help. Even if it was corrupt the perception of it hurt him.

And above all his stupid ass unnecessary tariff policy had directly impacted affordability. He also f’d up dragging on the Iran war.

But the democrat party wants socialism and 3rd worldism which is truly horrifying. That’s a much worse evil long term.

However again most people vote on “feelings” and optics. I was depressed about the mid terms but I understand why. I almost sat out of voting this year too. But last minute I change my mind.

[Chazmatazz269]

The tariffs were far from idiotic. Without exception, every single country on which the US applied tariffs had long been applying tariffs on US exports. It’s “idiotic” to level the playing field in favor of US businesses and taxpayers? You know that’s actually what cost him the support of long time republicans and corporate donors, right? The fat cats outsourcing labor to third world countries, cashing in on tariffs against the US to send raw materials to tier one manufacturers overseas and cashing in again on the savings to send those products back to the US for further processing or distribution to POS, those filthy crony capitalist pigs rebelled by artificially inflating prices to convince nitwits like you that tariffs are the problem.
Drumpf even called out the oil companies for their obvious gouging at the pumps, and y’all are still blaming Drumpf. Guess what. Crony capitalism is a problem and it has been for decades. It’s time to stop defending the greedy pigs that caused these problems and support politicians who are at least trying to rein it in.
You’re doing the opposite. Shame on you.

[Danny_dan92]

On paper the tariffs were not a bad idea because the hope was that us based companies would be incentivized to bring their factories back to the us which mean more GDP and more jobs and more domestic tax funding… the actual reality? Everyone paid the price because the companies simply adjusted their prices to maintain their profit margins…

So you are completely incorrect. The end result of the tariffs did nothing positive for the country. Just like many other policies presidents have in acted in the past

[blueonblack22]

@chazmatazz269 he was blanket attacking all countries with tarriffs including our allies. In his term this was focused on China. Then he went nuts with “liberation day” bs.

This is coming from someone who voted for him 3 times by the way. Don’t regret it considering the alternative. But just because I support him over democrats doesn’t mean I won’t criticize his policies. The economy is what cuts through everything. Even if isn’t the president’s fault (and economics is extremely complicated) the OPTICS of looking like it could be impacts the president.

I voted all republican during the midterms. But most people are low information voters who vote with their “feelings” (especially woke white women). I understand why the blue wave happened but it doesn’t mean I’m not horrified about the democrats might do now they completely control the house and the senate.

[blueonblack22]

@Chazmatazz269 I just read the rest of your asinine rant. People like you just can’t help it when it comes to PERSONALLY attacking people who disagree with you. Always got to make it an insult.

You know I almost sat out the 2016 election. But when I leftists personally attack average people who were voting for Trump it changed my mind. That motivated me to vote for him.

But you truly believe that insulting people will magically make them change their political beliefs. People like you are the exact reason why Trump got elected in the first place but you are just too stupid to realize it.

[blueonblack22]

@Danny_dan92 you “get it”. thanks. But notice how chazmat ass quickly made it personal with his deranged rant attacking me. Immediately right of the bat. People like him are the exact reason why Trump got elected to begin with. My TDS is an incurable disease unfortunately.

[Danny_dan92]

It’s what happens when people don’t do their research. Sad cause he’s older than me and doesn’t get it. That’s basic economics. Which I wouldn’t be surprised he didn’t know this either. A lot if not all of these major US corporations that have sent their manufacturing jobs to foreign countries are notorious for lobbying for politicians. Which arguably is the number 1 reason why our government is entirely corrupt. Left to right

[blueonblack22]

@Danny_dan92 I used to believe that life experience slaps since into people. There is a saying “if you are conservative at 20 you don’t have heart. But if you are leftist at 40 you don’t have brain”.

But I have an uncle in his 60s who hasn’t spoke to my dad since the election. And my dad isn’t an overtly political at all. All because and only because he voted for Trump.

Anyway what’s really going on is these older TDS deranged democrats have had failures in their own lives that have absolutely nothing to do with Trump or politics. Instead of taking accountability for their poor decision making they have to find toxic vindication by focusing on a make believe boogeyman (Trump). This is especially true of woke white woken of all ages.

But the horrifying outcome of this is they are being brainwashed into supporting radical causes that will ultimately destroy them. Which again is woke white women are embellishing with all their suicidal empathy. It’s satanic.

[4ngelic]

In a US context I've always been on the dem side and voted for them regardless of wether I identified as center or left, except for my right-wing phase at 17 1/2 - 19, where I would have voted for Trump if I could have.

[queenofcardio]

No, my political stance has pretty much stayed the same over the years

[Oigit]

Not really, I have always been a centrist and willing to call out both sides of the isle. But over the years as I watched much from the sideline I realized I have an axe to grind with both sides of the isle and voting seemed like trying to pick the lesser of two evils. So I become one of the ever growing numbers of people that don't vote and don't get involved in politics. Because when things go south due to the actions of the right or left the people voting in ignorant, self serving people on both sides that fall to the corruption festering in our gov its their votes that keep the whole mess going.

[exitseven]

I used to be an Independent but the democrats have gotten so crazy that now I am a Republican.

[Danny_dan92]

Yeah I’m not a fan of all the insane woke shit. That’s what made me switch

[MrChinaski]

I do not identify with a party. Every time I am required to vote I make a decisions afresh based on the policies and representatives in front of me. Weirdly, I think that's how democracy was meant to work. The social goal is to put in place a government in the best interests of the people... it's not meant to be football where you are born a Packers supporter, root for them for 80 years and then die.

[Anonymous]

My loyalty is to the constitution, the one that was ratified in 1789 anyway. The system is corrupt to the bone and neither care about it enough to fix the problems we have gotten all because they have been ignoring it when it inconveniences them. One claims to care but does little to nothing to protect it and the other disregards it entirely because following it apparently makes one a Nazi (and we don't have a short enough bus for anyone who unironically believes this).

[Staximus]

You are one of the people on here I agree with for the most part politically. I personally have given up my faith in the government to manage the tax dollars in any responsible way and also no longer support the Democrats or the Republicans.

[Spencer10]

Of course i have. I vote for what i think is the best candidate and or party platform. Up here in Canada we have several different parties federally and i am proud to say i have voted for most of them at one point or another.

[Anonymous]

I used to be a Democrat then left to become independent partly due to fellow Democrats becoming to toxic and hateful towards anyone who didn't pass their purity test.

[lightbulb27]

sure, because...

there's always a because...

[unfaltering]

I have no party affiliation. I vote for those who represent American values.

[LazerBean]

Nope, always been conservative.

[Agape93]

Nope, always been more libertarian.

[BlackFalcon03]

I vote based on issues

[moddy_the_mod]

So you support child sacrifice.

[Danny_dan92]

Child sacrifice? No. There are in fact common sense instances where an abortion makes sense.

If your daughter got raped and as a result she got impregnated, would you appreciate the government telling you that she has to conceive that child? If so, you’re sick in the head

[moddy_the_mod]

What’s sick in the head is murdering an innocent human instead of the rapist.

[Danny_dan92]

Having a child is a life changing experience that females endure. It could also alter their anatomy permanently in the form of C sections. And aside from that, are you really telling me you’re going to force say a young teenage girl to give birth? Really, ask yourself that question put yourself in that scenario.

Forget the rapist, there is an entirely separate law specifically for them. We’re focusing on the government dictating what people can do with their own bodies.

I know what you’re going to say “it’s not her body” bro… that cluster of cells is 50% her dna. So yes, it is her body.

[Chazmatazz269]

That argument in favor of abortion is ridiculous. Rape and incest collectively are the SMALLEST portion of abortions. And yes, the unborn baby IS in fact under the law a human being deserving of protection. Look up the “Protection of Unborn Children Act”, and remember that legislation has been used in every single state in the US, to absolutely NO objection by the left. But we will come back to that later.
The unborn baby is NOT the r*pist. So murdering the baby for the father’s crimes is beyond absurd and that’s exactly what you’re justifying.
Back to the hypocrisy and unconstitutionality of the legislation that you support. In EVERY state in the country, if you kill a pregnant woman, even by accident, you can and most likely will be charged with the deaths of TWO people. Perfect example was in the news recently. A guy gave his pregnant fiancée cocaine and when she died, he was charged with double murder and convicted. To absolutely NO protests by the left. Where were all the democrats screaming that “it’s only a clump of cells!”? It’s a bullsh*t argument. The constitution demands that citizens receive equal treatment under the law. What you’re demanding is a special class of citizen that gets to kill unborn babies on a whim while everyone else goes to prison for the crime.
Beyond that, the majority of people recognize that abortion should be safe, legal and rare. This is why the FACT is that NO state in the country has banned abortions outright as the fear mongering leftists have insisted. Meanwhile most people making it an issue are pushing for full term abortions for any reason or no reason at all. You don’t have a reasonable argument. Just admit that you don’t understand or care about the US Constitution and you are in favor of murdering babies.

[Danny_dan92]

That doesn’t mean you outright ban it… that whole point went completely over your head. Just like it does with everyone else.

[moddy_the_mod]

You literally proved it wasn’t her body.

[Danny_dan92]

How?

[moddy_the_mod]

It has a different genetic makeup

[Anonymous]

Ask me that again in 2 years.