MGTOW....Misogyny? Small penis? Or common sense?

[Anonymous]

I have decided to take take this course of action. It is not due to a lack of dating/sex that lead to this conclusion, more or less my experiences. Todays western woman has become exceedingly narcissistic, hypergamous, materialistic, egotistical, with an inflated sense of entitlement. I constantly hear "where have all the good/real men gone?". I can tell you. The toxic dating scene in America has effectively run us off. Those men who have at least two brain cells to rub together have essentially conducted a cost/benefit analysis, and concluded that in general women, marriage, and even sex is NOT worth the trouble that comes with it. Nowadays, looking at a woman for too long or even acknowledging her beauty constitutes sexual harassment. A woman can consent to group sex with multiple men, then file a rape charge due to guilt, remorse, or her husband/boyfriend finding out. Marriage is even worse. A man spends his life savings on a lavish wedding, a diamond ring and a house for a woman. Then down the road, she wants to divorce him because A)he doesn't make enough money B) he makes enough money, but he works long hours and doesn't have enough time for her, C) she became bored with him. Now there are some men who are alcoholic/abusive, but that's rarely the case in divorce hearings. If half of marriages end in divorce, and 70% of those divorces initiated by women, and only 13% are due to abuse/alcoholism, what does that tell you? Not worth it. Compounded by the fact the wife ALWAYS gets everything during the divorce...definitely not worth it. Some of you may say "youre not a real man because a real man would accept that its the way our society works". I say bullshit. A real man won't simply lay down and take shit because society tells him to do so. Why is it women always say "men think with their penises" but when a man stops thinking with his penis and starts using his brain, then decides women are no longer worth it, they either cry misogyny or small penis? Now...let the misogyny/small penis/man-up insults and rants commence in 3...2...1

[LoveandWisdom]

I totally agree with you on that more and more woman are becoming "exceedingly narcissistic, hypergamous, materialistic, egotistical, with an inflated sense of entitlement" and the woman who try to be good and self-sacrificing to their partners are the ones that are most likely to get dumped for a woman who has those qualities. If a woman really does care about a guy she will help him with paying the wedding ring, the house, help to save up for there children, and support him in his work.

The reason that more woman are becoming all of the bad qualities you mentioned earlier has to due with the woman's rights movement promoting more freedom to woman but as a result most woman have used it for purposes of self-gain without thinking about how their actions will affect not only the man but their entire household. As it is society puts on to many expectations for the man and it makes life very difficult for them, less woman are going to church and the state itself is not promoting religion which is the basis of morals and integrity which is basically what is causing relationships in society to become more degraded and allowing people to becoming more selfish and self-centered.

To me it does not matter how much a guy makes as long as both of us make enough money to pay for the household bills. Woman who care more about money are the ones that have no moral integrity and are not worth being pursued in the first place. It is these woman who put on an act to get married and once married they want a divorce. From personal experience, I have seen what money does to people; it makes them self-centered, self-absorbed, the only time they do help you is if you repay them back doubled but even than they hold it against you, and they show little love or concern for their family and friends, etc.

People should look at a persons inner beauty first and not judge the person by their outer beauty. Outer beauty fades over time as we age physically and what is left is inner beauty. When everyone is younger, sex is a big issue but it should no longer matter when you are old due to the physical body being able not to function as well as it did when it was younger. Not only that but their is more then one way to connect with someone other than sex. You can connect with them at a spiritual, emotional, mental, and intellectual level so why should sex at a physical level matter all the time and why do woman make a big deal about it when other things can be explored?

[jajajaja123]

Are you the same girl that keeps asking questions about feminine women in law school and how your female classmates act like men and how you feel law school isn't good for a feminine girl like you? lol

[LoveandWisdom]

No, the person that has been asking about feminism and law school is NOT ME you are getting me mixed up with someone else. I have NOT asked any questions regarding law school and feminist subjects. I try to ask philosophical questions about life. The type of questions that I have been asking are: Is it really better to be loved or to never have loved at all?, Do you believe that "all is fair in love and war?", etc.

[LoveandWisdom]

I am not even in law school yet and still have two years to go so how can I make comments or questions regarding this subject? Besides it is not my place to judge people because I have not lived their lives but people who are self-centered and act like narcissistic I stay away from and try to help those who are in need which are the disabled, poor, and people who have been judged wrongly or abused by societies culture and standards.

[becreative321456987]

i can't believe you think religion has anything to do with moral value. you can be a good person and not be religious.

[Mr_Conservative]

@becreative321456987 I do not believe she is arguing necessarily that religious people have greater moral integrity than non-religious people. I believe she is saying that there is no substitution for the purpose religion had held in our society. There is a lack of moral incentive for the majority of people to consider the needs of others and there is a rise in nihilism and the idea that we should complete devote ourselves to living in the here and now. It has led to an increase in materialism and concern only for one's needs in an increasing number of people. Religion used to instill the idea of being concerned for others and forward planning, along with the defense of the nuclear family. As a disclaimer, I actually am an atheist and a former Catholic. I understand the dangers of religion because my home country of Ireland used to be under the strict control of the Church. But without developing a higher purpose in life, people tend to act more selfishly and narcissistic.

[xzinax2]

thing is,all those claims are bullshit,and yes,it is misogyny-but I have no problem with men swearing off women-i do have a problem with ''men going their own way'' actually meaning ''let's attack women''. MRA's have filed false rape charges,some are admitted rapists,have harassed women with death and rape threats,made up shit like the stuff you've listed-just...stop. no one gives a shit if you date women or not,you won't be missed,just leave us the fuck alone.

[iPood]

I agree with this. If you want to live without women, by all means do so. The problem is that most men who participate in MRA/MGTOW make it their life mission to attack women by any means possible. In a way, it makes them even more obsessed with females than regular men who just date women.

[Asker]

Those are the minority. I have not attacked you or any other women for that matter. Is it misogyny to take sexual power from women without actual rape? Is it misogyny to validate myself as a man and a human without some womans approval? If not, please explain how it is misogyny...BTW, from the content of your response you MUST be a feminist.

[xzinax2]

i'm all for you not depending on women,but there's a reason gay men,straight men,genderqueers often identify as feminist-because it's the only thing that makes sense. men AREN'T discriminated against,you hold most positions of power,the wage gap is still real,the number one cause of women's deaths and injuries are men,the number one reason women kill men is self defense while men kill over ''arguments'',this link

[xzinax2]

link ,rape while married isn't even taken as a crime,rape victims aren't taken seriously because this myth of false accusations is going aroud even though men are more likely to BE raped than falsely accused

[jacquesvol]

There should be an area somewhere in the world where those MRA/MGTOW can go and live in 100% male company. In older times that existed: abbeys, cloisters and the army but now those hated women show up in the army too. (1/3d of women in the army are raped, and I don't think all of it happened by women www.huffingtonpost.com/.../...tment_n_1834196.html )

Thus Hamlet, get thee into an abbey!

[leosp5000]

Feminists are just as toxic as mgtows and incels. All these groups are toxic.

[JHAYES317]

xzinax2 false. Women reject men for stuff like being short, having a small dick, being bald, being poor etc all the time…that sounds like discrimination to me…

[RationalLioness]

I agree with @UlsterScot.

The many boys that I've met in this group come off as pathetic and whiny. And the whole purpose of the group is inane to me because that's what a lot of guys do ANYWAY. They live their life for themselves as everyone should.

Some of the reasons listed are sound and I agree with. But then others are sexist and irrational.

[leosp5000]

Feminists are pathetic and whiny as well. All these groups are full of toxic, frustrated people.

[DaBigZilla]

Except from a leading MGTOW blog: sheddingoftheego. com/? p=471
"Third-Wave Feminism appeared in 1992 (Head), following the end of the Cold War, and has been systematically attacking men and masculinity from all fronts. In response to these misandric developments, MGTOW has sprung up. The Men’s Rights Movement (MRM) has been around since the 1920s in one form or another (Wikipedia), and has accomplished nothing in terms of stemming the tide of gynocentric laws, and the diminishing rights and protections of men. In contrast, MGTOW has only been around since 2004 (A Voice for Men), but in its original form (embodied in the “MGTOW Manifesto), was still an arm of the Men’s Rights Movement, seeking to instill masculinity in men, femininity in women, and promote traditional gender roles (MGTOW Manifesto).

MGTOW shifted between 2009 and 2012, and expanded its focus from merely an anti-Feminist Conservative movement to one that examines female nature as the underlying basis of Feminism. The result was a change from a movement that sought to reform women by fighting Feminism in favor of traditional femininity, to one that rejected women as a whole, and walked away from relationships and institutions such as marriage that exploit men as the disposable utilities of women (Barbarossa, 2012)."

[Anonymous]

Declaring yourself mgtow in the presence of women will almost always trigger women's innate in-group bias... a bias that is measurably much weaker in men.

Most women cannot react to this sensibly. Even while reading this, most women will become personally defensive at the idea of women in general having an in group bias... even after they google it and read the evidence. Irony.

The drop in marriage rates is the same, now you have feminist bloggers dumping hoe the marriage rate drop is actually the choice of women... but we all know what happens to women when they hit the wall.

Mgtow is sensible because of that alone... most women cannot examine their own group behavior because of that bias, much less the position men are in regarding relationships.

[Anonymous]

MRAs, MGTOW, they're just a knee jerk reaction to feminism and the fact that the pendulum swung waaaaay too far in that direction. It's certainly understandable that men would be pissed off about that but two wrongs don't make a right, which is why I don't support MRA / MGTOW any more than I do today's feminism.

I used to support feminism when it stood for something valid, but today it is nothing more than a hate machine that divides the genders rather than trying to bring them together and support mutual love and respect. Although MRA and MGTOW have more valid concerns today than feminism, the time has come to turn our backs on groups who advocate for one gender only.

[Stevekixs]

MGTOW is not synonymous with MRA. MRAs do acknowledge female issues and want real gender equality. 3rd wave feminism does not.

[iPood]

I wish you the best of luck on your solo journey. I see nothing wrong with MGTOW, for whatever their reasons may be. To me it's no different than women who step out of the dating scene. To each his (or her) own.

[Anonymous]

I agree with a lot of what you say. Certainly marriage is no longer worth it. A serious relationship is no longer worth it to any guy who can get casual sex. I would never have gang-bang a woman for the reason you mentioned: it would be so easy to accuse the men involved of rape. The men will be presumed to be monsters anyway, even if there is no evidence of rape.

I wish you the best. I'm tempted to go that way myself. Most women are very disappointing.

[UlsterScot]

I'm sympathetic to some of its reasoning but it reads like the male version of radical feminism. Angry retreat.

[UlsterScot]

I dislike the word wall. I only scanned it. You could have summarized it in 10 lines.

[Trayus]

In the grand scheme of things, it's common sense. Bitter, common sense unfortunately. But yes, it's a necessary movement to end the feminist dogma. If anyone has a question as to where it will end, look at Japan now, concerning 'herbivore men', their birthrate, and their economy.

[Vandal]

Good for you, man.

MGTOW FTW

Check out Barbarossaaaa's vids on YouTube.

...and stardusks, thatcynicalcynicism's, spetsnaz's, manwomanmyth's etc. Plenty of MGTOW advice there.

[Vandal]

Oh yeah MGTOW doesn't require you to take a vow of celibacy like so many ignorant fools think. You can still sleep/ have relationships with women.

MGTOW is just a philosophy.

[G_GTom]

Dude, set your own terms or play the game long enough to sleep with them and then dump them.

[Youcannotbeserious]

MGTOW's aren't welcome around me or any self respecting person.

[WhatsInItForMe]

Just make sure you let men know that, because the feeling is mutual.

[Stevekixs]

Sheep.

[Anonymous]

A MGTOW Lesson. Not directed at OP.

If you have to come on here and ask for approval from not just men, but women especially, then sorry pal, you aren't a MGTOW. You're too afraid what people will think of you, and only do what people tell you is ok. In short, you are a sheep. Start thinking for yourself before you start thinking about MGTOW.

[havingfun101]

It is true, that women's own group preference is as prevalent, as the phrase "not all women are like that!"
When no one is listening, I eventually stop speaking... thus the MGTOW!

[yaddayaddayadda02]

Whatever makes you happy.

[Anonymous]

Another one: www.girlsaskguys.com/.../q1073646-gag-men-women-what-s-your-thoughts-on-mgtow-ideology

Hating incels

[Anonymous]

Eh, women go solo too. It's whatever I guess . As long you don't harm any woman(like mras threaten to do) go solo.

[iMGTOW]

"As long you don't harm any woman"
How oh so very one sided of you. ;)

[DonutAss]

@iMGTOW

[Anonymous]

No doubt that they bacame that because they couldn't attract women. they are just angry guys who blames women to not date them

[Blackmoonsns]

Not true, i stopped dating, and wanting sex out of fear of another relationship ending because she is bored, or i dont make 100,000 a year. My number one fear is if she lies, and goes to the police to get me in trouble. Now lots of men are trying to think smart for his life, and love him self. I know if i meet a real woman, and she works for me the way i work for her i would date her. The legal system will side with women most of the time so this is why MGTOW is around telling men to just do what makes you happy in life. What this means is their is more to life to love, and sex. I found great joy in helping kids, and just trying to make the world a better place, in my heart i know this is the best relationship i ever had.

[katiesmuff]

That solo journey should be a hoot for you!

[Red_Arrow]

Nah. He is not solo. He found a female who also believes females are bad. Gave her MHO (no surprise)

[BayHarborButcher]

Sounds like a good idea.

[Anonymous]

How much you wanna bet best opinion is the asker?