If Holyfield beat Mike Tyson twice, why is Tyson rated higher all-time?

[888theGreat]

I never hear Holyfield was the best boxer. Yet Holyfield beat Tyson twice. Not to mention Tyson cheated. He bit boxers and he grab arms trying to break them. Ali never lost to a non champion. Tyson also failed drug tests.

Holyfield won title 5 times , a record.

Holyfield was better

Tyson was better because media said so

[RichardCranium6201]

That's a good question. Both were remarkable boxers. Holyfield back then I think he might ve been undefeated, or 1 loss, fk can't remember, but hed box with u till later rounds... Tyson was a fkn beast. He just wanted to go in and knock your head off. Get it over with. Tyson was also straight from the hood. He didn't give a fk about shit. That boy was bad ass... I mean both fighters are bad ass, but Tyson, was a fkn bad ass (please forgive my cursing)

[msc545]

I'm not sure why the spectacle of two guys trying to inflict brain injuries on each other merits any sort of discussion one way or the other. In short, why does this matter to anyone really except perhaps yourself?

[888theGreat]

That's MMA fighting. I don't watch it and women doing that is brutal

[msc545]

It's not just MMA fighting; it's also just boxing. They get hit in the head a few times, and trust me - you have brain injuries.

[AI Opinion]

Tyson’s legacy is more about dominance and impact than just head-to-head results.

Holyfield is greater at heavyweight for many experts, but Tyson is seen as more iconic. Tyson’s peak was insanely destructive, youngest HW champ ever, massive cultural figure, huge aura of fear. Holyfield had longevity, heart, and better résumé, but Tyson’s explosive prime and popularity keep him rated higher by many 🥊

[NathanDavis]

beating an old man... doesn't make you a good fighter

[RichardCranium6201]

I agree. The same for beating on a drunk as well

[exitseven]

Boxing is just one step above pro basketball.

[888theGreat]

You mean Hockey? They fight and sometimes play Hockey

[exitseven]

the offficiating in basketball is pretty "uneven"

[Likes2drive]

Whoever gets the most attention, I guess. But I think the AI athletic Chloe seems to have the right answer

[robocop666]

Boxing is about fame not talent. Nobody knows who the true greatest in the world is.

[888theGreat]

I do, Ali was greatest heavy weight and Ray Leonard was best boxer over all.

[robocop666]

Ali was in like 5 fights where he blatantly lost and the crowd booed the judges decision. He was a fraud. The mob ruled boxing back then. Still good though.

[888theGreat]

Which 5?

[robocop666]

I dunno wikipedia has articles on them about how the crowd booed. Earnie Shavers, Ken Norton X3 and a few others. Not to mention that he cheated in teh famous fight where he split the glove.

[888theGreat]

Saw Shavers fight , Ali won hands down. Ali clearly beat Norton twice. Saw all of those. Ali never cheated , he never had to.

[robocop666]

he cheated in the famous fight where he ws knocked down with a hook. a few wikipedia articles on teh fights mention teh controversial judges scores. Good but maybe a few fights may have been fixed.