Do you agree with what the NASA scientists said?

[AvacodoToast]

Any idiot can bullshit their way into the presidency, but try bullshitting your way to mars.

[RMorus]

Well, I guess it might also be underestimated how hard it actually is to become a president of whatever country just like that.

But going to Mars really was/is a scientific quest of decades on multiple levels.

On the other hand no person and no group of people is entitled to say "we achieved getting to mars by ourselves". It will be a summed up effort of multiple individuals and projects throughout history that will have led to it.

It's kind of incomparable. I don't believe NASA would make such a statement. It's rather stupid.

[abc3643]

Well, the President they were talking about was Trump because he IS an IDIOT who bullshitted his way through life...

... and the State of New York is about to hold him accountable for it. Stay tuned.

[AvacodoToast]

No, you're the idiot. It was Obama that cut the NASA budget. They were talking about BARRY. I appreciate the fact that you don't mind looking like a 60 year old moron that hates Trump. But please stop. Trump created the Space Force. I'm guessing you're a pathetic loon from the UK. Am I right? Remember when the loony left cried about the Space Force? Were you one of the loons rocking in the fetal position over that? Now you say that Trump cut the space program? Really? Does it hurt to be that stupid? Seriously, does it hurt. I live in America.
I'm talking about going to Mars, and your lame ass is crying about some stupid shit in New York.

[abc3643]

OK, it's obvious that you have little control over your emotions and make a lot of assumptions that turn out to be false.

For your sake going forward in the real world, please remember this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEP1acj29-Y

OK, now for your assertions / assumptions...

1. You provided no reference or quotation for your assertion about "what the NASA scientists said" which I believe you are asserting is:
"Any idiot can bullshit their way into the presidency, but try bullshitting your way to Mars."

Can you please provide one by updating the question? I can't seem to find any pages on the web that have that quotation except this one.

2. What Obama did, and I didn't like it at the time, was enable the private sector to take over launch responsibilities for many commercial systems. This let NASA retire the very expensive shuttle and concentrate on its science and exploratory missions instead of being "The FedEx for Earth's Orbit". I didn't like that idea because I felt that NASA should still be in the rocket development business - which they are still, thankfully, due to the renewed Moon program which I am happy about.
By the way, I __WAS__ a "rocket scientist"; 30 years ago, I was working for an FFRDC associated with aerospace and space systems. We were literally across the street from Los Angeles Air Force Base which is where USAF Space Command was located. Many a meeting I attended at LAAFB. LAAFB is now part of Space Force and is the headquarters for Space Systems Command.

3. I am fine with Trump creating Space Force; I think it was a good idea even though it was mocked. I also understood his Greenland idea and didn't feel he deserved the mocking he got. Objectively, that would have been better for the US to have acquired Greenland.

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[abc3643]

3. I am not from the UK. I am a native New Yorker like Donald Trump and, like him, was raised in the NYC metropolitan area. Because I am an old NYer, I've been aware of him for 50 years since the Federal Government sued him and his father for engaging in racist practices that violated the 1968 Fair Housing Act.

4. I don't hate Trump, but I am not at all fond of him and, over the years, have lost the respect for him that I once had. This is why I supported The Lincoln Project.

5. I am not a Democrat but an independent.

6. Donald Trump __is__ in a good amount of legal hot water from 3 jurisdictions: The Federal Government, the State of New York, and the State of Georgia.

OK, I am going to leave you with one more bit of advice... it's an old adage that has many versions, but goes something like this:

"It is better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it up and remove all doubt."

Your erroneous tirade against me doesn't help your reputation.

Now, if you would like to talk about space matters in an intelligent civil fashion, I will be happy to do so.

If you are genuinely interested, I could probably teach you a decent amount. One way to get started is to read what people in the space industry call "BMW", the book titled "Fundamentals of Astrodynamics", by Bate, Mueller, and White. You can read it free in PDF form here and this is the exact copy I have that was used for my Celestial Mechanics class in Fall 1987:
ia800101.us.archive.org/.../...20Astrodynamics.pdf

[saffoler]

Do you think that I can BS Elon Musk to let me join a mission to Mars? I do have a bachelor's in Biology, but I don't have any athleticism or an advanced degree.

[AvacodoToast]

Let me make some calls. Maybe I'll send him a Tweet.

[saffoler]

Lol.

[Soteris]

Sounds about right. Not saying its impossible to bullshit your way to Mars either but it is incredibly hard to do it by "accident". Even if you had a rocket with everything prepared and even the skills to fly it, you are still virtually guranteed to never reach mars because navigating our solar system is confusing, math intensive and extremely precise. Even this "simple" step is something you have to master in detail beyond what bullshitting will get you.

[SnowedIn]

You're not wrong but just remember thanks to an oopsie on Hubble they had to make glasses for it. Just sayin'...

[AvacodoToast]

Those must be those really thick glasses like Bubbles wore in trailer park boys.
Apparently I can't post pics yet.

[jshm2]

No wonder he's cutting NASA's funding then!

Dipshit dweeb needs to watch his mouth, as anyone can be a scientist. Facebook antivax groups are full of them willing to work for half the pay!

[NamerOfStars]

Given that they lied about why the Mars Climate Orbiter failed, I have to say: look who's talking, NASA.

[slatyb]

We certainly saw that in 2016 when we elected an illiterate grifter.

[Wise4myage]

Yes, and my current President is a prime example of that.

[Guy13]

Amen…

[AvacodoToast]

This came after drastic budget cuts to the space program. This is my take on space travel...
Microsoft laughed when Apple invested a ton on the crazy smartphone thing. They put all their chips on the table. If people didn't buy them, Apple would go under. Microsoft didn't think anyone would be dumb enough to spend $900 on a pocket computer. Then along came Android, and then there were tons of brands on the market. Then Microsoft threw their hat in the ring and tried to catch up. Too late. Timing is everything, and Bill missed the boat.

Flying around in space might seem like a waste of money, but should we wait until it's too late?

[Catharine_N]

What did they say?

[AvacodoToast]

Any idiot can bullshit their way into the presidency, but try bullshitting your way to mars.

[Nikki1989]

How do you bullshit your way to a planet?

[AvacodoToast]

That was the point they were making. It's much easier to bullshit your want into the white house.

[KrakenAttackin]

Completely agree.

[AvacodoToast]

Even though I have no desire to go to another planet, I respect those with the courage that do. I have zero respect for 99% of the politicians. Most of them couldn't get hired at McDonald's.