"Slavery was not genocide otherwise there would not be so many damn Black's in Africa or in Britain would there?" Do you agree with David Starkey?

[American_Centurion]

To be fair arabs and turks were the biggest enslaver of Africans yet there are virtually no blacks living there.

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[REDHOTLINE]

No and yes. Understand this. We are not arabs our culture traditions language rage competelely different with arabs. We came anatolia central asia and also our relatives kazaks kirgiz ozbek turkmen etc living central asia yet.
In Türk history big mass slave trading never happen only in capital and some elites have slaves common peoples never have slaves (like roman empire) and never meet and know slaves.
Slaving is a world history realty. Every parts of history. there was slavery in every parts of history;
white to white (romans take galls, germans and English ;) and make their slaves.
Black to black; in africa every time some clans captured other clans and take and make them their slaves
Black to white; in history some African states buy them white slaves (greeks , local anotolians and mezapotamians )
White to black; this common when the CONQUER FATİH SULTAN MEHMET conquered constantinople and blocked the silk road.
The europans searc a new way to reach far east asia and with christof colomb began a new discovery age. He discovered america continents and captured new and virgin lands europeans need so much human power and workers. And than began to big mass cruel slavery trade leading of europeans.

[American_Centurion]

the ottomans were massive slave owners, probably the biggest in history. They even had a huge slave army the janisarries even Mimhad Simar was a Greek slave.

[REDHOTLINE]

You must learn what is real mean of slave. A slave never being a head architect nrver being right hand of king (khan) a slave never being a head of army.
Slave mean attack a village captured and chainned and put them in a dark and dirty ship hold (lazared) fully... then croos a ocean and sell them likr an animal and work them until when they are dead starving and to be tired. This is slavery.

[American_Centurion]

lol the Turkish leaders had loads of slaves as their right hand, usually unuachs. Dickless men were at one time master of the turks. Yes and the turks had many African and slavic slaves.

[Kaneki05]

Genocide definition the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation. Large is subjective But because it is that means it can be any number you deem to be large. But it clearly was a Genocide from the fact "Especially those of a particular ethnic group" pretty sure that's what they targeted and i am pretty sure at least more than 1000 died, and i would consider that large.

[JimboGB]

Plan Parenthood

[American_Centurion]

over thousands of years.

[JimboGB]

You don't have to agree with him, he is a historian that knows what he is talking about. The left challenge him because truth challenges their narrative. Anything to keep the hate alive until the election and their useful idiots we call their voters.

BLM are so desperately trying to link American History with all of Europe's. It's true that American heritage is European but our histories are different. Black people emigrated into Great Britain but we hear the same stories from BLM like this was America (even though that argument isn't justified by these hate-mongers, race hustler, race-baiters, generally hateful people). Not only do they re-write history but the present with zero data or facts but much emotion and resentment for people who have never a thing against them. The sort of irrational hate the nazi"s had for a group called the Jews.

[JimboGB]

Nobody mentions the Irish slave trade, more Irish were transported to the North American trade slave than Africans but black lives matter doesn't it, not all lives. They are so selective with their history, so ungrateful, so resentful, so ignorant of what they have and how many would give their life for their children to be in your position. Mind-blowing

[JimboGB]

The ignorance of people responding who no doubt would be marching yet expose they know nothing about history or what they talk about.

[JimboGB]

All those Irish slaves would have just been exercising their white privileges wouldn't they, it's seems the democrats are still the racist one's people.

[asomeone]

The Holocaust was genocide but there are still Jews in Europe (and antisemitism)

[American_Centurion]

they were running out of Jews by the end exterminating them not breeding them.

[hknmhmn4]

True, there are hunreds of thousands even in Germany

[American_Centurion]

@hknmhmn4 yeah but the global population disappeared by half, very few left in Germany after compared to before. Also it was Africans who enslaved Africans whites just bought them

[zagor]

The Nazi's did not encourage the Jews to breed. The purpose was extermination first, economic exploitation as a by-product. The purpose of slavery was economic exploitation; while there were many deaths due to callousness and cruelty, it would make no sense to deliberately exterminate what was considered property.

[Dargil]

The genocide occurred before the slave ships arrived. I've read as many as 40% went over the side at sea. I am by no means defending slavery but a "prime" male could sell for $10,000 current dollars and a "breeding female" for quite a lot as well.
Slavery in South America, particularly Brazil, was, effectively, genocide.

[YHL6965]

It's not a genocide, it's human trafficking or, more precisely, as the name suggests, freaking slavery. If it was a genocide, the USA would be whiter than a bleached cloth.

[American_Centurion]

Still not as white as Elizabeth Warren lol

[YHL6965]

LOL, but muh high cheekbones :D

[zagor]

Genocide: the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation.

Clearly slavery was not genocide, if only due to the economic value of their labor.

[Dchrls78104]

Not genocide; just ritualised kidnapping, exploitation of the foulest kind, and murder.

[American_Centurion]

yeah Africans owe African Americans reparations

[Joe__Exotic]

If it was genocide we’d not have any in the country now, either.

[cherrytwist]

You do know Jews still exist, right? A genocide doesn't mean an elimination all together

[Joe__Exotic]

@cherrytwist It certainly wasn’t genocide despite what you say.

[cherrytwist]

I can easily say it was genocide, despite what you say

[Joe__Exotic]

@cherrytwist You can say all you want, but you’d be wrong. Unless you’re talking about the Arab slave trade.

[cherrytwist]

You can say that all you want, but you'd be wrong too.

[Joe__Exotic]

@cherrytwist I wouldn’t actually. No point in killing slaves they paid good money for. But I agree, the Arab slave trade was closer to a genocide.

[cherrytwist]

Its a shame you're not the most ripe pumpkin in the patch, but eh? You seem to be unashamed of that intellectual setback

[Joe__Exotic]

@cherrytwist Ah, here we go, the ole “you’re stupid” which really means “I can’t prove it was a genocide but I set my instagram profile to a black square, so now I’m sufficiently woke”.

[cherrytwist]

Nah, just the ol' you can't identify your own talking points when used against you so they clearly aren't too substantial

[Joe__Exotic]

@cherrytwist Prove your point then, cupcake.

[cherrytwist]

I believe that's your job. You're the one who attempted to make his point, but failed at the beginning because he didn't grasp the definition

[Joe__Exotic]

@cherrytwist Ok. Genocide is the deliberate attempt to destroy a people. That doesn’t apply to slavery in America, considering we 1) Didn’t have a deliberate attempt to destroy the slave population 2) we fought a war to free those slaves. Not something you do in a genocide.

So since you have nothing, your nonsense can be dismissed just as easily.

[cherrytwist]

You know people in France fought in a war against people committing genocide on Jews in their country. Same with Poland. Your argument is weak as all hell.

Claiming to say "we" when really it was only half of you isn't good enough, and destruction of a people isn't limited to death. Cultures, lifestyles, and humanity can be destroyed with lives still intact. Not a life anyone would want though

[Joe__Exotic]

@cherrytwist Yeah, the French didn’t fight the French to end the extermination of Nazi’s. They fought the people trying to commit the genocide.

And the ‘half’ of us is better than Africans who still enslaved Africans today.

Death is the primary component.

You still have provide no proof. So go back to twitter.

[cherrytwist]

And the north didn't fight the north. The north fought the south, if you need a refresher.

Good lord, education in America must be lacking

[Joe__Exotic]

@cherrytwist lol, Still waiting for your proof of genocide.

[cherrytwist]

Still waiting for you proof of a lack of it.

[Joe__Exotic]

@cherrytwist I gave it. There wasn’t an intentional, coordinated attack on a group to destroy and murder them. That’s the definition of a genocide. You just keep going “uH uH, iT WaS GeNoCide” like that passes for intelligent discourse.

[cherrytwist]

Your argument literally has been "uH uH, iT wasn't GeNoCide" for the whole time. You even tried to pass off the idea that America didn't have a civil war because you refuse to acknowledge the existence of 2 parties.

Try again... 11th times the charm, sweety

[Joe__Exotic]

@cherrytwist I just explained in plain English. The United States did not enact a coordinated attack on black Africans with the purpose of destroying the race. The United States also outlawed slavery and fought a war with itself to stop it. If you can’t handle that reality, I can’t help you any further.

[cherrytwist]

You'll understand one day. It just isn't today. Do a bit of growing and learning and get back to me.

[Joe__Exotic]

@cherrytwist Just as I thought, lol.

[cherrytwist]

Likewise

[zagor]

@cherrytwist You are wrong; read the definition. Abduction and exploitation for labor is not genocide.

[American_Centurion]

@cherrytwist what is the current Jewish population of Europe where the holocaust took place? There are currently 1.4 million Jews in Europe today compared to 12.5 million. Now that's genocide. A few hundred thousand African slaves were brought to the colonies now there are millions.

[TheAfrikan]

Sometimes being a great or known historian, does not guarantee you the genius on earth. I just fimd his comments shity.

[American_Centurion]

if he had said Viking slavery wasn't so bad otherwise there wouldn't be so many dammed Anglo saxons?

[simplelikeme]

I agree but slavery has been going around for thousands of years oh, it's not like it just started happening last week LOL a little do people know that more than half of the slaves that were sold in Africa was by its own race.

[broken_heart_at_48]

It's pure evil and I have no idea who david Starkey is but he sounds like an asshole

[zagor]

Perhaps, but on this he was right.

[Astarlessnightsky]

Even if it wasn't a genocide, billions of black people were worked to their early death.

[OfDeath]

This is a piece of selectively ignored history. Most "woke" people actually have no idea how ignorant they are. Instead of bitching, they should learn the facts.

[Sevenpointfive]

i wish they'd go back home. they are free now. why aren't they going home?

[NYCQuestions1976]

Honestly it's semantics. Even if it wasn't "genocide", it was still wrong... just a different type of wrong.

[Edanurus]

I agree and it matters. People may not see the issue but the second you say the how and why doesn't matter it's still bad you start to dilute the lessons.

[cherrytwist]

Yep, it was genocide. Genocide is how and why people are targeted, and not the aftermath and how many are left.

[zagor]

Noooo. See my post. Genocide is deliberate murder of a large population targeted for their race or ethnicity. Just because something was bad doesn't mean it was genocide.

[John_Doesnt]

Genocide: the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation.
Many of the slaves were killed you Nazi bastard.

Now go back to your cross burning section of the Internet.

[zagor]

Read the definition of genocide. Obviously it was not genocide, if only due to their economic value. They were not deliberately killed en masse; it would make no sense to drag people across the Atlantic just to kill them. Just because something is bad doesn't mean it was genocide.

[American_Centurion]

agreed Scandinavians did a lot of bad things

[John_Doesnt]

@zagor the poster is a known troll and white supremacist.

[American_Centurion]

not true at all, you are the one who supports burning black neighborhoods down

[msc545]

It was not exactly genocide, but in many ways it was far worse.

[Jakeofalltrades93]

i suppose technically that is true, but that doesn't mean slavery was okay either

[ActiveSh1tter]

Holocaust was not genocide otherwise there wouldn't be so many damn Jews in Israel and the West.

[American_Centurion]

the holocaust wiped out half the world's population of Jews in a few short years. Very few Jews were left in the east where the holocaust took place. The jews would have been lucky to just be enslaved

[ActiveSh1tter]

No it didn't.

And what's the cut off percentage for something to be a genocide?

[American_Centurion]

Hard to say but is the global deaths from flu every year genocide too?

[ActiveSh1tter]

No because it's caused by nature and affects most old people.

[American_Centurion]

And most slaves died of disease

[ActiveSh1tter]

They died of being purposefully overworked, underfed, and physically tortured.

[American_Centurion]

not true. They were treated as prized cattle and ate better and lived better than most poor whites in the confederacy.

[ActiveSh1tter]

Actually it was cheaper to work them to death and buy replacements than sustain them for life, since the supply of slaves from Africa was virtually limitless.

[American_Centurion]

Nope. Very expensive doing that. Africans wanted gold for their slaves

[ActiveSh1tter]

The supply of slaves was extremely cheap. Cheaper than the cost of letting them rest and giving them food. This is a historical fact.

[American_Centurion]

Nope because you have to ship more which is expensive, its why the slave trade was so lucrative

[Tstrbrainer]

No slavery is worse than genocide.
I'm surprised why the tribes didn't rebel against the oppressors.
Maybe they lacked unity

[American_Centurion]

Well African slaves in the United States had it pretty good compared to say roman slaves or Arab or Turkish slaves.

[Asianguy123]

I think black people are born slave hahhah but thing can be change anyway

[OpenNudist]

Genocide, occured long before the Nazis when conquering tribes in Africa sold entire tribes into Slavery with regards to the DUTCH and British Empires

[zagor]

Read the -ocide part; selling into slavery is not genocide.

[worldscolide]

Seems obvious lol

[abbie_wright]

He clearly doesn’t not know what genocide means

[American_Centurion]

He's a professor. He knows better than you.

[abbie_wright]

The European settlers took Africans from their homes, and ripped them away from their culture and made them become slaves oh and also killed millions (90%) of native Americans which by definition is Genocide

[American_Centurion]

That was after slavery. The Europeans bought slaves off the Africans and shaped them to the Americas where they thrived. The African slave trade is thousands of years old and no one did more to end it than Europeans.