Is the US government lying about Iran’s true military strength and the war’s impact on gas prices?

[888theGreat]

US says they destroyed Iran's Navy, great but Iran never really tried to use their Navy. US says they destroyed Iran's Air force , great but Iran never used their Air force. US says they destroyed all their leaders? Really? Well they picked a new Ruler. US says we destroyed all of Iran's missiles launchers and underground storage. Really? Then how is Iran continuing to launch bigger and better missiles? Why has Iran turned down cease fires? The US government is lying to its people. .

If the American people really knew the truth and could read at 5th grade level and didn't believe the fake media propaganda , and had any common sense the Dow would be 10,000 points, gold would be $10,000 an ounce, Bitcoin would be $100, Gas would be $20 a gallon. No one would be buying anything but food and water.

Why gas will continue to rise?

1) Oil production in Middle East has been reduced and stopped. Damaged refineries will need to be fixed and this can take months and restarting takes months.

2) The oil surplus from bad economies will be used up in a short time period.

3) The US has oil but can't process it quick enough to address the problem.

4) The US has 20% reserves in oil because Biden used it to keep price lower and Trump didn't build back up reserves.

5) The oil companies can charge what they want at the pump. If oil is $120 a barrel , they can chare $5 a gallon and if oil drops to $50 a barrel , oil companies can charge $4.99 a gallon.

6) Trump owes oil companies for giving him millions to get reelected.

So expect gas prices to just keep going up in price , long after war ends in Iran if it ever ends.

GAG continues to butcher my questions no matter how many times I change it. It deters people from asking questions on here and will just lead to fewer questions asked , which will lead to less questions and answers and fewer people using site.

[permanentem]

You sound retarded yet again. You sure are making a habit of it. First the Iranian main Navy wasn't used against the USA because they were too cowardly to get in a naval battle with the world's strongest Navy. They know they would lose. None the less they still lost their ships which is a major military and economic loss for Iran. It will cost them a lot of money and time to replace those vessels after the conflict and it reduces their ability to project power in the region. Iran's main naval strategy against larger forces like the USA has been to use small vessels equipped with anti-ship missiles to harass vessels region. This is a reflection of their mosaic defense strategy. The problem for Iran is that these vessels are easily tracked and eliminated by the U. S Navy and they continue to be eliminated in significant numbers daily. Iran has thousands of these smaller vessels on hand but eventually they will be depleted and Iran lacks the capacity to manufacture as fast as they are being eliminated.

The Iranian main air force has also be destroyed meaning their airspace is uncontested and the American-Israeli alliance has air dominance which is a force multiplier giving the American-Israeli alliance a 25:1 advantage in the conflict from that factor alone. It puts Iran in a very precarious position and also reduces their ability to project power in the future after the conflict ends. This leaves them dependent on drone manufacturing for air defense. Those drone factories are also being hunted and killed. More importantly this opens Iran to targeting by much cheaper more plentiful bombardment than initial stand off weaponry meaning America can carry on bombing them significantly longer than Iran anticipated.

When it comes to missile launches, Iran started out firing roughly 90 a day at Israel and they are down to roughly 20 a day now. Each time Iran fires missiles they give away their signature and they lose launchers. From that it's clear Iran has sequestered a certain number of launchers in bunkers and are rationing their launcher knowing they will lose them as soon as they fire. This means they are biding their time. They want to wait out an imaginary clock. The problem Iran has is America has signaled we are willing to stay significantly longer than Iran anticipated. America is moving a new carrier group into the region. Each time you see that, it is a clear signal that America intents to continue the fight at full tempo for at least another 3 months. So that imaginary clock Iran was hoping for has vanished into the ether. America has no intent of backing down after a week or two. We have air dominance now, so Iran can't wait for stand off weapon stockpile depletion. Israel has also deployed the Iron Beam a counter battery laser that allows Israel to shoot down incoming missile attacks at a significantly reduce price. Rockets used in the Iron Dome defense run about $50,000 a pop and there is a limited stockpile. Laser shots run about $3.50 a pop and there are unlimited shots given a supply or electricity. This means Israel can shoot down Iranian missiles indefinitely at very little impact to the Israeli economy while Iran must expend a limited amount of costly missiles and lose launchers each time they attempt to fire. While Iran can produce several launchers a month in underground factories they can not keep pace with their adversaries so that strategy has already failed.

1) Iranian oil refineries that were targeted supply Iran internally, nobody else. They primarily supply the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC). Their destruction cripples the IRGC's ability to conduct mechanized warfare on their own soil and provide economic stability in their own nation. Iran's crude oil export facilities were untouched so crude from Iran can be exported at the normal rate if allowed by the American Naval blockade. This impacts Chinese economy significantly, but not America. American oil production and refinement is running just fine including the Venezuela oil market that was liberated a short time ago. Oil prices have already started to decline from their peak in the initial supply shock. As Russian oil sanctions are eased global prices will stabilize. China will feel the burn of increased cost, but western nations will return to business as usual.

2) You have no comprehension of what is going on.

3) Now that's just a retarded comment all around. 90% of fuel consumed in the USA is refined by American refineries. America is the largest oil refiner in the world. Gulf Coast refineries specifically were also initially designed and built to handle Venezuelan oil, but can also handle Alaskan oil. They have been operating under capacity for many years and can easily expand for a war time footing especially with all that easily accessible oil from Venezuela that Trump already liberated. You clearly know nothing about the oil industry.

4) Again you're full of shit on this one. The Strategic Petroleum Reserve (SPR) was roughly 58% full December 31, 2025 because the Trump administration has been replacing the oil Biden sold off to appease China and has been repairing the wells the Biden administration damaged with their sabotage of American national security. That aside America has the equivalent of 125 days of net oil imports in the SPR at the moment. Some will be released to drop domestic oil prices.

5) Again you are retarded because oil prices have already started to decline.

6) Wrong...

As always you have no fucking clue what is going on.

[permanentem]

*in the region

[permanentem]

*intends

[permanentem]

Another factor that will play into domestic fuel prices is the temporary suspension of the Jones Act which will allow fuel suppliers to cut out the middle and and avoid Democrat governor interference in the fuel markets to bring fuel to east and west cost markets more rapidly and at reduced cost. When it comes to the international economy IEA Member countries are also releasing oil onto the market to stabilize prices. There are 32 IEA member countries, 5 accession countries, and 13 association countries in the IEA who are acting in the interest of the internal economy. So a couple of terrorist attacks by an Iranian rouge state isn't going to have the intended effect.

[permanentem]

*international

[BonzoInBitburg]

Iran said today that they do not want a ceasefire. Even called Trump's threats empty. If Trump was serious about regime change he would have to send ground troops and it's looking unlikely at this point. Either they are afraid of Iran's military or this is just a 2 billion dollar a day Epstein distraction.

https://iranwire.com/en/news/150196-qalibaf-we-are-not-seeking-a-ceasefire-we-will-strike-them-in-the-mouth/

[888theGreat]

I think it helped a little with Epstein wag the dog. . The American people would have protests like Vietnam war if he uses ground troops. I mean he has already lost the House , almost without new elections, he would lose the Senate for sure which means Lame Brain Duck President.

[BonzoInBitburg]

Trump says they wiped out Iran's navy and yet they are out laying mines in the Strait of Hormuz. When Trump says its almost over it sounds like he's giving up because Iran is far from finished and they are calling his bluff. It's going to take more than just bombs to make any difference in Iran because its still business as usual there.

www.independent.co.uk/.../...l-crude-b2935897.html

[888theGreat]

They have rafts they can use , not considered Navy. But you can't believe anything Trump or his thugs say. I thought at beat If Iran used their Navy , 100% Subs and all , they might sink one US warship. If they used all their fighters and attacked one warship , maybe they sink that one. Basically Iran knew their Navy and Air force wasn't; going to be effective against US. Their missiles are effective and more modern weapons.

[KimmySchmit]

I remember doing history in school about the cold war and how the bomber gap was greatly exaggerated, the US government knew the Soviets had very few bombers. The Soviets in their Mayday parades had their aircraft circle endlessly to make seem there was more.

I think the RAF actually had more nuclear bombers than the Soviets.

[Abbycado]

Likely. While it seems that is what all politicians do, this particular administration has a knack for it.

[Abbycado]

Ty for mho!

[BadApple69]

At the close of the bell today a barrel of oil was $86 dollars.
Yes Iran used its crappy navy to sink oil tankers when they got pissed off.
No navy, no boats and the U. S. navy escorting tankers will keep the oil flowing.
Why the hell do you think a country like Iran has any kind of a chance against the U. S?
Venezuela who purchased missiles and other defense equipment from China and we walked right in there and grabbed Maduro without any of their defenses working…. We had jammers and tech that disabled everything they had. China is much more technically advanced than Iran. Their air force was 1990s vintage. Does Trump always claim things are better than they might be? Yes. It’s because he believes it.
Back to Iran, everyday they are shooting fewer and fewer missiles because they are running out of working launchers.
What do we need to worry about? Sleeper cells! Biden let in 12-20 million unvetted illegals and we know for a fact some were terrorists.
Time will tell, but any of us who can carry should carry.

[888theGreat]

Iran has missiles and they have been accurate , US will not risk losing ships and crew.

[BadApple69]

Well I guess then we need to keep pounding their missile batteries until they are dust. Eventually Iran won’t be able to launch missiles. The quantity of missiles Is already dropping down by a lot compared to the start of this battle.

[Master_Debator]

Did you make this argument with Venezuela before we nabbed Maduro... gonna make this argument when it's Cuba's turn?

Iran is a side quest, before we get back to why we 'actually took this side quest. Iran out of the picture weakens who... China maybe... Russia maybe?

I'm not telling you how it is, but I'm asking you to think about it. It's not as simple as Trump this or that. And I can tell you're on old news still because the oil prices already dropped. It's only high for states like New York and California because of the Liberals Green new deal... everybody else isn't feeling it like that.

You have AI? Copy and paste what I just said and ask it to fact check me. In fact tell it to be mean to my opinion even. I just want you to get a clearer picture of reality...

As far as the G@G stuff you mentioned... welcome to the club. I got shut down by G@G for tons of bullshit reasons they could let slide. They allow their own opinions to dictate the free speech factor.

[InknKink]

I don't know much about what's going on but Iran is a country full of religious zealots and extremists with a large mountainous range to duck and hide in... I doubt they care much about having a protracted war.

Geographically, the USA is what, gonna launch missiles from the UAE deserts into mountains and carpet bomb the place? Eh, good luck with that.

It's not a very good position to launch a war from unless they're prepared to put a significant amount of soldiers on the ground and start scouring the mountains for hidey holes.

As for the price of oil...

I'd guess the real issue here is again, geographical. The Iranians have very good positioning to strike oil tankers passing through the Persian gulf and I very much doubt insurance companies are willing to front the bill for said tankers.

Realistically, USA needs to ignore the oil and strike the water. That's how you win against Iran. Starve their civilian population of water and overthrow their government.

But then the USA is going to need to prop up said government and that's a financial sink hole without end. In the past, sure the USA could afford it being the worlds bank.

Unfortunately for the USA that ship sunk faster than an oil tanker in the Persian gulf and the money printer has run out of ink.

USA cannot fight the world however much they might try.

What we're seeing are the last flailing movements of a dying dynasty lashing out and trying everything they can not to go silently into the night.

[Caughtulookin]

Gotta love American liberals. The entire world knows that Iran has been terrorizing them for almost 40 years. Every single neighbor of Iran is now fighting them with the help of the USA and some European countries. American liberals are still saying Trump is a liar and stupid and everbody that voted for him is stupid. Hell even Iran is now fighting against their own government. So what does Iran do? They decide to start bombing the oil cargo ships and lay mines to blow up more cargo ships. American liberals say its because Trump is stupid and all conservative presidents are stupid and conservative voters are stupid. The Iranian government that forcefully took control as dictators are complete angels. They are just mad because they want to terrorize their own people and all others to force their religion. They dont want women to express themselves or be educated snd they should be publicly stoned while buried if they resist. American liberals say no its because Trump is stupid. Enough already. Its not everybody elses fault for your lack of ability to judge correctly and make good decisions.

[Lliam]

Trump and his administration, along with mainstream media, are gas lighting the American people by lying about the damage to Iran's military capabilities and censoring information about damage to U. S. facilities in the region and casualties. And we are not being told about the extent of damage to Israel.

An invasion of Iran is out of the question. The U. S. can't even open the Straight of Hormuz to shipping. And, in the meantime 20% of the world's fuel and goods are blocked. The entire global economy is being effected.

This war with Iran will go down as the greatest blunder in U. S. history.

It's true that the people in Iran are suffering but it's because of the U. S., not the Iranian government. This war has galvanized the Iranian people and they will not revolt or surrender.

[exitseven]

Iran is finished militarily. The current leadership has been taken out but like cockroaches , there are always more.. The bombings will continue until the military is completely decimated. It is 90% gone anyway. It will be finished by the end of the week. The price of crude oil is already declining and the stock market has seen gains.

The hard part will be an Iranian to step up to want to work to form a more democratic government.

[888theGreat]

You are finished militarily when you have 0 weapons remaining and sign a treaty of surrender. Iran is still hitting targets and have sign nothing. Trump will leave bragging he won , and Iran will continue to bomb Iran and Iran will look like they won and Trump will look like a bigger fool than he already does. Even if Iran signs a deal , they might wait until US is gone and start bombing Israel again, which is ok since Israel and US broke their word after 2025 war with Iran.

[exitseven]

Death means nothing to Iranians. They think they will get the 52 virgins. They will never sign, they will go out feet first. President Trump is more than happy to oblige.

[888theGreat]

If Trump uses Nukes to end a war he started , it still won;t stop Iran

[exitseven]

Iran is already stopped , maybe they don't know it yet but they are done.

[Caughtulookin]

Since when did Iran stop bombing Israel?

[ohsheeT]

When it comes to war you can't give a play by play because you don't want other countries to know exactly what you have or what you're capable of so of course nobody's going to tell the truth

[Sevenpointfive]

i don't think he's sold anyone on the oil prices going up. we don't use their oil. if gas prices go up it's because they need to fund their war for more oil. that's all that it is. so like it or not, you're paying for this war through gas.

[qwerty2469]

Your grasp of the oil industry is so wrong. I worked in it for almost 20 years. When it was almost 120 per barrel all the way down to when it was less than free per barrel. If your paying $5 per gallon it's almost certainly because of local and state taxes. Not war. Not corporate greed. Just hidden liberal taxes.

[jshm2]

The US lies easier than it breathes. Israel kills civilians easier than it steals from the USA.

So it's basically an axis of evil between the two.

[RavVid]

The strait of Hormuz is the actual problem and Iran and their proxies willingness to attack merchant shipping. Remember the Houthi?

[888theGreat]

harder to stop Iran

[RavVid]

Quite possibly, though bombs tend to work eventually.

Their neighbors regard them as a threat and don't want them to have nuclear weapons anymore than the US does. The Gulf states just don't want to say it out loud is all but seem to supporting bombing Iran in private.

UAE have just asked us (Australia) for an AWACS which was agreed to yesterday plus missiles. So it doesn't seem like they have benign attitude to Iran.

[douride2]

I think this conflict is going to end up like what is going on in the Ukrain.

[MannMitAntworten]

Rule number one, regardless of what parties in charge never trust government.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Yes. No government regardless the country actually tells the truth especially when it involves military type detail stuff.

Those details are 100% confidential.

[AngryCarl3]

The US government is lying about everything.

[Likes2drive]

Yeah I don’t think it’s turning out the way they thought it would

[MereAnarchy]

Destroy everything that moves. Then hand the country back in a decade or two. Wait. Repeat.

It has worked well in Afghanistan.

[Anonymous]

Yes, they are exaggerating about Iran's military strength.

[XXblack88]

I'm not sure but it won't surprise me

[Jeff51]

They all lie. I bet.

[Telekinetic-Potato]

A cogent take

[beefcakebradybatson]

You REALLY expect truth from Trump?

[oldman26]

Of course