Is violence against men ever ok?

[Journeyman11]

This question is very serious to me... I am german by the way so sorry for bad English in advance...
People in your country seem to think that violence against men, especially their genitals, is justified, or not a big deal... It makes me sick to read that it is acceptable for girls to kick men in the groin when they cheat. Many of them say they dont even care if they lose a testicle. Yeah, I read a lot about it, as this seems... dystopian to me.
I think girls don't realise that this is not just a toy for men, but a part of their body, identity and sexuality, that this kind of pain is used for TORTURE.
He could lose his ability to have children, lose a sexual organ, become a neutrum.
If a man punched a woman in the stomach, he'd be a monster.
If she lost an ovary from it, he'd lose his status as a human. He would go to jail and pay a lot of money.
People would demand his death or castration or whatever sick sh*t you will come up with...

My questions are:

1. Are men worthless in your country?

2. Why do men lose their human rights and their worth when they upset women?

3. Why are men not allowed to make mistakes?

4. Does a cheating women deserve a hard punch to the stomach?
If not, and women and men are worth the same, there can be no justification for women to kick men in the groin. Don't even try to argue, that would be the very definition of double standard.

5. How can women combine such an oversensitivity, irresponsibilty and constructed femininity with feminism and their struggle for equality?

6. Why are mens bodys looked at as disposable, even by themselves?

Again... I am german. Our head of state has been a woman for a decade. Men are allowed to cry, women aren't looked at as children.
Responsibility does not only mean duty, but to bear the guilt of your actions. There is no difference between men and women.
If men and women want to be respected alike, there can be no difference in their responsibility.
Its really shocking to me... every woman I know would agree.

[Lopezz1999]

Yes, violence in men is almost always okay. Although for the wrong reasons, today's society never appears to sympathize with men as they do with women. Men almost all over the world are more than likely to be worth more or less than women depending on social class. Men in upper and middle classes are declared to be worth more than women by women, however society suggests otherwise. Male/female double standards will always be a disadvantage to men, because society believes that women are weaklings who deserve more serious attention that men do, and this is why men are never taken seriously whenever a serious issue is in play. Although a cheating woman deserves a punch in the stomach likewise to men, the ONLY reason why I wouldn't do so is because I'm a man living in a world with these harsh double standards. Women get these unintentional advantages because society believes that the feminine woman is once again weak, thus deserving serious attention with any situation. Your final question requires more serious thought. I'll try and get back to this.

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[PlutoLastJuly]

The majority of women do not think attacking men in their genitals is Ok. Most are too busy cleaning the house and baking cakes to think of such crazy feminist attitudes. Only feminists would attack men's genitals (and of course other men, for aesthetic reasons though). We all know they hate anything phallic. I saw a march on a sausage factory the other week by a bunch of hairy, menstruating short haired lesbians. Those feminists will destroy anything penis shaped out of pure hate for men. This is why they have outbursts and attack testicles.

[Journeyman11]

Why do you take it as an attack on feminism, when I complain about violence against men?
I support feminism, but feminism is for men too. That's the point.

[PlutoLastJuly]

I didn't take it as an attack on feminism, I thought it was feminists attacking men.

[Journeyman11]

If you don't want to talk about it, just say nothing... I believe in equality, but that also means we can't treat men like they're more responsible or indestructable or evil or whatever... If you push and pull on the same end, it gets you nowhere.

[PlutoLastJuly]

If you don't know any women that think this is Ok then who are these women you have spoken to that want equal rights but also revel in ball kicking?

[Journeyman11]

Several online forums... I know, high chance of subjective reality...

[PlutoLastJuly]

Online forums... really? You think real people live in there?

Have you seen or heard of it anywhere else?

[Journeyman11]

I saw it... that's the reason for all this. I have to add that I live in a rather criminal area, and I don't really fit it... With all the violence and drugs and domestic violence, it's no wonder girls here hate men... I think if I were a girl, I would too.
It still shook me too see it, cause the guy is one of the good ones... he just made a huma mistake, and now he suffers.
I didn't think girls had something like this in them until now, and I liked the illusion, that you can always rely on them to do the right thing... I dont know... It really changed my reality, and I just needed to know that it can be different.

[Journeyman11]

*fit in

[PlutoLastJuly]

Fuck, did you just find out that not all girls are made of sugar and spice?

You must be devastated.

[Journeyman11]

Yeah, it's the first time I saw a woman get violent, and it actually makes me sad that you can't escape violence... It's unfair to ask that of women, I know. I just hoped for it. Doesn't mean I ever treated women worse or with less respect.
It shocked me to see that men are violent the first time I saw it too, you know. And you seem to have some pain about that yourself.

[PlutoLastJuly]

Violence is never nice, whoever is committing the act. It's ugly and most of the time unnecessary but it is wholly natural. The problem with humans is we think we are above such base instincts, but emotions get the better of us and sometimes we succumb to primal instruction.

[Journeyman11]

We can agree on that... I'm glad we found a common ground :) thanks for your answer.

[PlutoLastJuly]

You're very welcome.

Don't believe everything you read online.

[Journeyman11]

I won't, now that I received some civilized oppinions.

[KsyRose]

I think people r like this these days because some men were abusing women, which caused the society to think of men as a whole. And as for kicking men in their groin when upset, the woman is nothing more then a self centred bish.

[Journeyman11]

Thanks, I needed to hear that... maybe I freaked out a little too much

[KsyRose]

It's okay to freak, just make sure u return back to normal :)

[Journeyman11]

Thanks, I will :) You made my day!

[KsyRose]

I'm glad :)

[snowangle]

I wouldn't hurt a man unless it was in self defense.

[Journeyman11]

Wow... I'm getting a completely different response than what I feared :) thank you!

[Anonymous]

I live in the United States.
Men are not worthless in my country, although currently there's a feminism wave going on here.
I don't see why they would lose their human, but others may feel that the guy is justified for the kick in the balls/loss of worth because of their actions, not necessarily because they're upset.
Men are allowed to make mistakes, they're just criticized more harshly when they're found guilty of something because they should know better.
I believe that cheating doesn't justify violence, no matter what gender. That two wrongs do NOT make a right. But, again there are some SJWs out there in my country that believe that women have superiority in some cases, which isn't true at all.

[Journeyman11]

If a man deserves a kick in the balls, does a woman deserve a punch in the stomach?
Also... I'm sorry but this isn't feminism to me. Women acting like babys and devaluating men? How is this feminism?

[Journeyman11]

Thanks for your answer!

[Opinion Owner]

Well, it's not feminism to me either.
Feminism is supposed to be gender equality, not "take advantage of everything that you possibly can."

[Opinion Owner]

And you're welcome. It's weird too because there are many men and women who disagree with the whole "kick 'em while they're down" movement, but unfortunately the obnoxious feminists/ liberals are the ones that gain more publicity.

[Journeyman11]

Thanks, you're awsesome :) being a strong woman doesn't mean exploiting mens weaknesses.
What do other women you know think about this? Are you alone with this opinion, or did it just seem to me like this because this is the internet? ^^

[Opinion Owner]

I am definitely not alone, but it's the ironic unpopular opinion on the Internet.
It's part of why I'm anon, lol.

[Journeyman11]

Kinda sad... having to be embarassed because you're against violence... Not that you're anonymous, but that you're pressured to be

[Warmapplecrumble]

Why is the guy cheating?

Then after cheating why is he standing there next to a angry woman?

What's wrong with men :-/

[Journeyman11]

You can ask the same about women. You think violence against men is justified, but not against women? Please dont get me wrong, I don't have hate for women... I'm scared that women think my body and feelings are less worth... I'd never cheat, but I'd never beat a woman either... You're supposedly the more gentle gender, so why can't you pass on beating up your man?

[Warmapplecrumble]

I am saying why would the guy stand next to a angry women he cheated on.

Its not safe!!! He's being silly.

[Journeyman11]

Women are like 4% less likely to cheat, by the way... doesn't mean I have the right to risk f*cking up their lives when they do.

[Journeyman11]

So its his fault? Women can't controll themselves, are not responsible for their actions? I thought men were more aggressive? So should we be excused when we can't controll ourselves? Serious answer please, I really want to make a woman happy one day... but I need to know she values me the same way she values herself.

[Warmapplecrumble]

Look anyone standing close to a emotionally unstable person... will probably get attacked. At that moment that woman is probably mental.

Its like if someone killed your wife... would you stand there or attack them. Its same thing. Its flight or fight response. And testosterone adrenaline has kicked in.

We are animals. We have anger and violence in us. We control it and one day we get provoked.

Please read what I said.

[Journeyman11]

Sorry, not my native language :P I thought you meant literally stand next to her ^^

[Journeyman11]

So were on the same page here? My bad ^^

[Warmapplecrumble]

Well its nothing about the guy's body.

The woman would be angry.

Wouldn't you be angry if your wife cheated?

Now either you fly or fight in a response like that. Its called fight or flight response. Look it up.

[Journeyman11]

My point is, people seem to support women who lash out, but condemn men who have the same flaw. Not trying to say men are better... I actually thought women were better, which is why this shocks me so much. There's a lot of violence where I live, and I thought women were the exception... it's unfair to ask that of them, but to let them be violent is too.

[Warmapplecrumble]

Yeah. I think people see women as cute.

We do stuff like... scream like a chipmunk throw pillows. .. our hands are tiny. Then compare this to a guy. A guy just looks scary.

That's all I think.

[Journeyman11]

Yeah, I guess people will always be superficial in some way... and that hurts everybody. Just feels good to know some people are different. Thanks for your answer!

[Warmapplecrumble]

You are welcome! But yeah I think sometimes when people like your Mum, Dad, Wife or Husband hit you they mean no harm... its just the situation. I come from family where we believe to move on and not do it again.

[Journeyman11]

That's very mature of you... sometimes everyone loses control, it's natural. People defend and condemn violence in all the wrong situations. You need to know when to forgive and when to separate. That's not only true for violence, but for all mistakes we make as humans... have a good day :)

[Warmapplecrumble]

Thank you :-)

[jacquesvol]

It's the only way a 100 lbs girl can defend herself against a 200 lbs guy.

[Journeyman11]

I am not talking about assault, not self defense

[Journeyman11]

*I am talking about assault

[jacquesvol]

You seem to meet mean girls. I never met one.

[Journeyman11]

No, I think you didn't read the question ^^
I am german. It's extremely weird to me how different our perception of violence is.
I read a lot of opinions by americans saying that what I described is ok.
No german girl I know thinks what I described is ok for any other reason than self defense, it is shocking violence to us. In the U. S. it seems kind of casual though.

[jacquesvol]

Life in the US seems shockingly violent to us, European wussies. LOL.
We 'only' grew up with the Red Army a mere 600 miles or less from our border.
Americans grew up with Far west movies, Karate Kid movies. That's worse than the Red Army.

[ShaunaM95]

A bit bitter I see?

[Journeyman11]

No, doesn't happen in Germany :) would you be bitter if it was accepted for a man to beat up a woman who cheated?

[PlutoLastJuly]

No, in Germany women get raped on the street. Far better. Men are free to express themselves in Germany, women know their place.

[Journeyman11]

@PlutoLastJuly And men get killed on the street. If a man tries to rape you, go ahead, tie him down and torture his genitals with fire ants and a blowtorch, but not because your ego is hurt.
What you say about Germany... Are you referring to Cologne? Because women dont only get raped here. And I never said it was ok! Women are as free as men here, though you might be talking about older generations...

[PlutoLastJuly]

so torture is only acceptable if I feel the right thing?

[Journeyman11]

@PlutoLastJuly What? No, I was just exaggerating. It's never ok.