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+1 yI disagree. That experiment was debunked within weeks of it being done. What they found was about a 50/50 chance of choosing the white doll over the black, they got the same exact results from white children where they chose the white doll as being uglier or bad (depending on which version of the study you do). The study was debunked in the fifties I believe. In fact if you look at statistics black women are the least likely to date interracially while white and black men both are more likely to date outside their race (in fact women in general are less likely to date outside their race then men are). The reason why, in my opinion, black men date outside their race are for several reasons. The first, I think its a status symbol to them, not all obviously, but enough and I think part of that was due to the black power movements of the 70s which where an attempt to "hurt" white men by dating white women. The second reason is because of the current political climate, it essentially states that blacks and women are the most oppressed groups and has been pushing black men white women relationships in order to create a pairing that was "most oppressed", which is why (to my irritation) you don't really see black women with white men in media nearly as much (white men where painted as the enemy so it would not give the same affect as the victim white woman and the victim black male as you would then have the "oppressor" white male with the "victim" black woman (Most of this is a narrative as historically every group was oppressed by every other group as they also oppressed every other group (slavery for instance was found in every culture in the world and on every continent with people on it and predates the written word yet its only reffered to when whites did it (which was actually considerably less time then other groups (climate played a factor, slaves meant extra mouths to feed in winter and it wasn't viable as it was in warmer climates hence slavery being more common in the middle east, Africa, and central and south America. Terrain also factored in to a degree as well). The third reason I think is because black men resent black women. The reason I think that is is because of the rampant fatherlessness and I think black men blame black women for it. I think both parties are responsible for it but the problem with it is that fatherlessness leads to many issues (in fact all the issues that the black community is experiencing can be linked to it),
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like increased rates of poverty, criminality, drug use, depression, academic failure, some studies have even suggested it increases rates of diseases like heart disease (greater cortisol levels due to stress perhaps) and even brain damage. The worse one however is promiscuity, the reason this is the worse is because it basically continues the cycle. So the males who don't have fathers act promiscuous because they think that's part of being a man and the women become promiscuous because they are looking for that masculine affection they should have gotten at from their fathers and didn't. This results in a lot of resentment from black men I think (based upon some comments I have heard from black men about the subject on various websites). I would also point out that again, the narrative of victim oppressor is a big factor, I think that's part of the reason why you asked the question to begin with, I mean why else would it matter whom you date as long as you loved them and they you?
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I think for some reason black women are hesitant to date outside their race, and again, I think that black men do tend to (but obviously not all) put black women down and make them think they are not attractive (black women can and are attractive just like every other group of women) and so they think no one else will date them hence them being less likely to date outside their race, meanwhile black men I think get overly "championed", defended etc which encourages them to date whom ever they want. I think the solution to the problem is not to make love into a racial thing, but rather to just accept love and attraction for what it is, attraction. Once black women start dating outside their race and stop being beholden to black men, and black men being beholden to black women, and the same goes for Asian, middle eastern etc.
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I think the better off every one will be because now your not being with people because you feel obligated to and because you have options both parties will be forced to address the issues they have helped create and in turn will have to step up their game and be better people which will help resolve this constant conflict their seems to be between men and women, blacks and whites etc.
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Show me where it was debunked in the fifties, no proof no believe.
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I lost the original link years ago and at least one computer ago. However the issues that where brought up in the methodology where that they where a black couple with the explicit goal of proving that their was a racial bias (which in the 30s was the case), that they gave questions that where leading and they ignored the fact that whites had similar responses i. e. they had about a 50% chance of picking one doll or the other. They also had no control group. When the experiment was done again recently they found that blacks favored blacks and whites favored whites: prezi.com/.../
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Its like how they argue blacks are self hating because their are skin whitening cream but for some reason tanning salons and skin darkening creams/fake tans are not a sign of whites hating themselves. Further more blacks actually have higher self esteem then whites: www.unc.edu/news/archives/jan00/graylit012400.htm
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So the premise itself is also wrong, that is the conclusion that blacks are self loathing and favor whites is incorrect as they hold themselves in higher regard then whites do. Further more as I pointed out your conclusion was incorrect as the data does not back it, black women are the least likely group to date outside their race so why would it affect men but not women if they are both exposed to the same thing? It wouldn't.
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Thanks for proving me right. You have no proof therefore untrue.
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That's a logical fallacy in and of itself. First and foremost even if I gave you no evidence or counter argument (and I did) that still would not prove you where "right", in fact I provided multiple articles pointing out the issues of bias in the experiment, the lack of a control group (control groups are pretty much a requirement in scientific studies), leading questions etc. Plus a more recent version of the experiment showed the exact opposite results (gave the link) and the fact that it was done in the 30s during segregation which would not be applicable in our current society (as the recent attempt to replicate the study proved). Further more your argument was that they are taught to preffer others but data shows that only black men date outside their race and black women generally speaking don't which means that blacks could not possibly be taught to date outside their race if only the men do, especially when the data shows that men generally are more comfortable dating outside
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outside their race: abcnews.go.com/.../story?id=10830719
So your premise was incorrect, your source for your argument was not both not particularly reliable (as I pointed out (and provided links for) nor was it applicable as it was in the 30s and thus was a completely different cultural and legal dynamic then today. I'm sorry but that's just what the facts say. Further more I would point out that clearly you have issues if you think its wrong to date outside your race. I mean its one thing to preffer your own race over another, but to consider it "wrong" seems rather twisted doesn't it? I mean if you preffer to date whites, what would be wrong with that? What if a Hispanic guy prefers black women? Whats wrong with that? As I said, if you prefer your own race that's fine but why claim their is some grand conspiracy (which you can't prove and data shows is not happening) that is causing it? Just let people be with those they want to be with. - +1 y
Me against race mixing? That's laughable, you don't know me.
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No I don't know you, I never said you where against it I said that if you are convinced that its an unnatural state, which your question suggests, then I would consider that an issue you might want to look at and consider why you feel that way. Your angry and responding emotionally because I said I disagreed, so that's why your trying to take my words out of context, that's why your trying to dismiss my statements. As I said by your reasoning you would have to be able to prove that blacks are more inclined as a whole to date outside of their race, you did not however provide evidence for that and the data we have suggests this is no the case, for black women anyway which means its not a black issue, its got to be something else. Getting angry and taking things personally will not get you to the truth and the truth is the only thing that will resolve problems.
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+1 yI beat the odds, I'm black and like black women. But when I was attending university in the US, every black guy I've seen were dating black women. while the guys not in school wanted white women.
I'm guessing education has something to do with it. Because black women in college would be interested in me while women that weren't in college had -100% interest. But most black women in general are not interested in me but other races would do whatever it takes to get me to spend 1v1 time with them. I don't think black women are taught to look for guys with potential like how other races of women do. They choose the wrong kinds of black guys and be damaged when meeting a good guy and ruin his experience. It's a bunch of damaged people damaged and bringing and keeping each other down. But of course this doesn't apply to everyone though.11 Reply- +1 y
You were raised right
Anonymous(36-45)+1 yBlack men always expect the worst from us. Were all the same to them. We are loud, angry, ghetto, ignorant, we don't need a man acting, dyke acting, overweight, college degree boasting bitches to them. We are easily stereotyped and defenseless. There's no gray area for black women. They assume that we are all gold diggers and want thugs as mates. They assume we all are entitled and lack respect. They mistake our frustration for anger.
If black men don't want us fine. Please stop talking about us, and stay away (run since were all the same) and never come back. This also applies to the MGTOW guys in the audience. If you hate us, keep us out your mouth and go your own way.
I wish some black women didn't suffer from Stockholm syndrome and stop forgiving black men who constantly out there to hurt you. Loyalty can have serious consequences especially towards folks who are out there to destroy us.616 Reply
Opinion Owner+1 yIt is not just black American men that don't want us black American women, it's every African culture. We're all broken to them.
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Stop fighting each and listen to what each other have to say and make amends
Opinion Owner+1 yTrying to make amends is like telling folks that unicorns exist. Let's stop lying to each other and come to the realization that we baw and bam will never Coexist.
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Really? So we just gonna continue with the self hating. You are aware that 70% of black men end up with black women right? We will create the inconveniences experience if we can talk to each other and understand that the Black men that desire u that have good female role models and there are black women that aren't nasty and just looking for they right guy to treat them right. There good black men and black women that have been hurt and think swirling is the key and start hating on their own. Who has the last laugh? Same MOFOs who created the stereotypes and they system that fucked us.
Opinion Owner+1 yBut only 30 percent of bw are married to bm. It seems the other 30 - 35 percent don't want to commit to a bw (and 5 to 10 percent are swirlers). Over 70 percent of bw are single parents. Again where's the commitment? The divorce rate is much higher especially for couples who been together for the last 7 years.
We're quickly thrown away and stereotyped with no one to help us. As a result, we become broken to the point of no longer being salvageable and become the very thing that whites and others wants us to be.
Yes whites and other ethnicities started the stereotypes about but who keeps it going? US.
Opinion Owner+1 yYou're right some of us don't want to acknowledge and converse about the male v female issue. The ones that did including myself gave up on having dialogues like this. As soon as we disagree and our voice becomes louder... here comes the angry bw stereotype. Again some of us get frustrated not angry.
I'm not self hating. Some of the statistics are facts and yet blacks are quickly in denial and act like we can do no wrong. ... except for black women. Everything is our fault 130% of the time.
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I don't know which study reflects the reality of things. The link I showed u says the studies about black people being less likely to marry than whites isn't a fair study as it includes black men and women that are not of marriageable age. If we stop considering what we see on TV and walk around the neighbourhoods we would realise that most black people marry black people. The trend of marrying white women after new found fame and money is evident with black men that are not well educated like rappers, Atletes etc.
Opinion Owner+1 yThe reality is that we're fucked as people and as a culture. There has been thousands of conversations over the years about uplifting black people, stopping the violence within our community , and rebuilding the relationship between bm and bw. Nothing has really changed.
As long as there's hatred being spewed out in the media about Black folks from black folks especially YouTube with your Tommy Sotomayor, hoteps, mumble rappers, WSHH, and black reality shows, the divide will continue.
It depresses me when I have to think about the hatred and divide between bm and bw. I gave up hope. 😔- +1 y
Stopping voilence will mean creating black wealth. Black success in communities as a whole, not just with individuals. We need better lower public education and cheap college education. With all these there will be well reduced voilence and incarceration, less early parenthood and more financially stable homes with more information to amass and save wealth. From then we can tell our own stories.
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There is no government to wait for to make education affordable. Cheap college education is available in Europe
Opinion Owner+1 yYou need people with the right mindset to achieve what you are mentioning. It's up to the individual to create the vision of solidarity and reunification of our people.
Before desegregation, we had our own public schools, business, and economy why can we go back to that mindset? The government has never cared about its people so why do we keep begging them to?
Will cheaper school System Bring Quality teachers?
Will those teachers bring change to their community?
Again it's up the the individual and hopefully someone who has the vision and goal can step up to the plate and begin (and continue) making an impact in our communities.
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Cheaper college education is available in Europe. I live in Berlin Germany and my University costs 300euros per semester and the education is one of the best in the World. Good teachers and study infrastructure. Everything is subsidized by the Government. Thats probably not gonna happen in American anytime soon, so it's wiser to search for opportunities here. Africans are doing it.
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"Forgive" Lol nice one.
I watched that experiment about a year ago, the people who set these things up are sick.
For the record, both dolls are pot ugly.00 Reply
Anonymous(25-29)+1 yBecause of representations like this... but you know us black women complain too much, we should get over it *sarcasm*

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I agree with your statement. However, all lessons are not learned and a large population of the community does prefer black. But here's my thoughts:
I know that many sources have distorted the view of black men and women. Just take a look back during any time before or in the 1900s. This is nothing new. But in this new day and age, it's manifested itself on media platforms. Take a look at hit reality shows, movies, or even popular memes over the internet. 9/10 of these forms of media include and depict black women and men as ignorant, uneducated, and undesirable people.
Logically speaking, who would want someone who is perceived as ignorant, uneducated, and undesirable? Nobody, it doesn't make logical sense. But rarely will they (and when I say 'they', I mean any stereotype) show an educated, desirable, and intelligent black male or female on their platforms. Why? Not because they don't exist, but because that's not the image they want the world to associate with black culture. There are plenty of other races where the people within that given race associate these connotations to 'their' people. But these negative traits are for the most part, only associated with black culture. Probably where the term, 'Black Sheep' comes from.
Nevertheless, I do agree with your statement because that's the image our culture willing wants to associate with black women and men.30 Reply492 opinions shared on Dating topic. What a load of soykaf. I was raised to treat everyone the same and to believe that the only differences race implied were physical. I was never taught that black girls were unattractive and the media I consumed should have told me they were if it had the supposed power everyone likes to pretend it has.
Attractive black girls are just rarer than attractive white girls for me, and there's nothing wrong with that. I feel nothing when I see a woman's rear but the media's been shoving that down my throat since the day I first saw TV18 Reply- +1 y
@JDavid25 I'm 19. I've grown up in a time where media has been telling us that all races are equally beautiful. I've grown up in the US where everyone seems to think that full lips and asses are attractive. But I don't think each race is equally attractive, and I don't like full lips or “perky" assses like the media has undeniably telling me throughout my entire life.
The only thing media controls is perception. You watch the news and they'll tell you "this is what society believes". That got to me as a kid. But they influence your perception of the outside world - they have no power over you as an individual. But kids have a hard time distinguishing between the two when posed a question like "which doll is prettier". They think that's the "correct" answer. That doesn't mean they believe it. - +1 y
There's also the distinct possibility that they grew up with parents who always said that's what other people think - it's why kids with criminal parents don't like the police, or the kids of ideologues likely grow up with the same views. But the media doesn't create who we are - I think that's a sign of very weak-will to be quite honest. I've never seen it happen to anyone who wasn't nuts.
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The media recently started gettin incorporatin other "races" into the mold.. But largely it's still the fact that "White" people are deemed more attractive.. Even then the media doesn't fully represent all beauty, and the last few years isn't enough to have an impact on people after decades of fillin our heads with Euro-Centric standards of beauty.. Which is why more people will date "White" people then any other group.. Whether you know it or not it was definitely the media (which is much deeper than what you are sayin) the influenced yo perception.. Seein as we live in a country mostly filled with "White" people.. That is I mean unless you grew up around "White" girls..
Well, yeah in a way continuously shovin beautiful "White" people or anybody close down our throats as we consumed it as kids.. But we personally love all women.. Growin up all my crushes were "Black" women, and even now I still love the thick lips, and big behinds that more "Black" women don than not.. But, I will say that most "Black" men and women marry each other.. In fact unless you live in a certain city you don't see a lot of interracial interaction with "Black" people..
10 ReplyFrom my discussions with black men about dating black women, it isn't that they view white women as better. It is either just their preference, or they tell me that black women are too harsh, too demanding, not compassionate. These aren't my words, I'm just relaying what I have been told.
They have dated white women and seem to prefer them over black women for their own reasons.
The real question is why is it such an issue that black men aren't dating black women. Let them date who they want, why does it matter?116 Reply- +1 y
It does matter, women and men view things differently.
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@Katey7464 Lol, I think I know why men don't want to date you and I don't think it has anything to do with your skin color... But that's fine you can be racist and sexist if you want. Don't think it really solves anything though. You seem to have a lot of hate inside you, I feel bad for you.
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Men do want to date her and other black women... I was married as a single mother to a white guy, and he takes care of me and my child. I have the freedom of being a stay at home mom or work. Its guys like you black and white guys who don't want to see black women succeed and want them to believe that no guys want us! Have fun with your black boy friends who like to feed lies about black women.
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All white men do is sit and complain that their woman don't want them so they actively seek out bottom of the barrel Asian women. In his case, he loves being a cuckold, because he loves seeing his wife/gf choking and slobbering on BBC while he eats their creampie. In the future Asian men are going to reign Asian supremacy so at the end of the day, I really don't care what this 5 inch dick bi/tch has to think or say about me.
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First off, I never said I don't want black women to succeed. Or that they act that way. I was just telling you what you asked. What black men have told me a white man about dating black women. And my ex girlfriend is black. She didn't always act like that but I definitely saw it sometimes. I didn't care though I loved her.
You are just projecting your hate of men or white men or whatever. You need to calm down. - +1 y
You sound stupid and ignorant, that's why everybody gave you a thumbs down.
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Did you also notice how all the thumbs down were women... Lol. I wonder why.
But I'm the ignorant one for not giving a shit who someone dates. If black men don't want to date black women then find someone who does want to date you and stop whining. Maybe if you weren't so racist it wouldn't be a big deal.
But your right, you are the "woke" one cause you are sour a bunch of black men don't want to date you... lol. I feel bad for the men you trap. - +1 y
@Katey7464 then date white men wtf?
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your hate for black men is sickening, and very hypocritical.
+1 yMen of all races can like women of all races and vice versa. I personally prefer coal-black women and ivory-white women. I like the contrast. Even with that though, skin color isn't really important to me. I just find those extremes especially beautiful
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Anonymous(30-35)+1 yWhy do people always end up saying that, why can't some black guys think of a black girl as attractive, but have no interest dating them? Why do they have to "hate" them? I like black women as I do like every other women, (only the ones that I meet with like other people I meet) but I have no interest getting in a relationship with them, it's nothing that has been "taught " to me, some of my friends prefer to date black girls, I'll go out on a limb and assume you think I have some sort of self-hate? If not, then cool, I'm glad you don't think that, but if you do, I can't change your opinion, or the way you think that I think.
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Opinion Owner+1 yLike I could be friends with them , but I don't want to date, there's other guys who can date them, but I get ridiculed for that? That's ridiculous.
Am not American but I have come to notice that "some" black American ladies seem to be too concerned about other people's preferences... are there statistics out there proving that most black Americans love other races more than thrs? Are there plenty of sisters without men ( because they have gone after other races?)... am simply curious
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Not really. Statistically men in general are far more likely to date outside their race then women are. Probably becaues the men have to woo her, not the other way around, and so are more willing to take chances with any woman who will have them. However black men in the US are slightly more likely to date outside their race then other males, I believe with the exception of white males (who don't really seem to care about the race of the person (becaues quite frankly a beautiful woman is a beautiful woman, ).
You shouldn't lose sleep over anyone who don't like you based on the color of your skin. Because fuck them and start to focus on yourself and find someone who likes you for you.
30 Reply331 opinions shared on Dating topic. Wrong. No one is "teaching" black people to date out. If that was the case who is teaching blacks this?
Black people are choosing that on their own will since black family culture has been demolished. You can thank liberal policies and the democratic party. & by the way, that is not why black guys say they don't like black women...25 Reply- +1 y
The media is teaching blacks this. Walk into a supermarket and tell me how many black girls you see on the cover of the magazines.
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Misrepresentation doesn't constitute the media "teaching" anything. Nobody looks at magazines and builds their preferences from what is represented.
If that was the case because of the growing representation of plus size models, more guys would prefer big girls, but that isn't the case now is it? That's why there is still a fat acceptance movement. You can even make any poll you want and you'll see this to be true.
Putting more black girls on covers won't make more black guys want them, the problem is much deeper than the media. - +1 y
There is no shop with all plus size models. There is no city with all fashion magazine plus size models. Fat acceptance is not neccessarily hand in hand with plus sizes because plus sizes are not usually fat. Plus size fashion came after most of us have already form our preferences which hasn't still dominated the media. We can't arase centuries of beauty standards by just a decade of plus size modeling which is just a minor subgroup in modeling.
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Ur society pretty much sets a standard for beauty. We are a generation raised by TV and the media. There is a reason why there was such a backlash that came from white America when Idris Elba played Heimdall in Thor. There is a reason Jesus is depicted as white. Ancient Greek historian Herodotus described the Ethiopians/Sudanese of Greece as the most handsome of men. But our world today has a different narrative wherever u go in the world.
Almost every movie u watched from when u were a kid a white woman was the object of desire. We end up desiring those women to and women that look like them. Also white chicks who are really into black guys mostlikely listen to hiphop to its core. Interracial babies became a thing with stars like Kim and Kanye. - +1 y
And many other celebs.
Anonymous(36-45)+1 yDont loose sleep over black men if they dont care about us. Just be with a guy (regardless of race) who likes you for you.
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+1 yOh hey it's MSNBC! Are you sure those black guys aren't just dating "white African Americans"?
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+1 yI take it you're a black woman feeling a bit insecure, yes?
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She must find de wey.
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I think most black people are insecure
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If you stopped killing each other you'd probably be a lot more secure.
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@ChristianFriis yes because black women are the ones committing the crime. 🙄✌️
Well then you'd expect most new marriages to be interracial. They're not as of yet.
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Yes they are!
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Don't you go spouting your racist, sexist facts at her. She's a strong-willed black woman who knows the true truth of her inner feels.
Don’t know where you herd that but I’m black and I love black women. They can be cray cray sometimes, but that’s okay cuz my love makes you crazy lol
10 ReplyAlternative facts. To this day most marriages are within the same race. I live in the heavily black populated side of my city, out of 10 couples I see maybe at most 2 are interracial.
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@lynnj88 That is true, marriage is not common within the black community, but thats mostly due to broken homes not media. (Oddly enough white male/black female marriages are actually almost 50% LESS likely to end in divorce comparative to same race or other interracial marriages (Don't really know why but its an interesting statistic))
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He is right. Read this www.thoughtco.com/the-top-myths-about-black-marriage-2834526
Not true black men can like any kind of race white, Asian, Puerto Rican, black, Italian it shouldn't really matter on the race it should matter about the love
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+1 yBlack family culture has been destroyed by progressives and their welfare programs.
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... nope idts
1.1K opinions shared on Dating topic. Looking at American universities they are taught to hate anything but black.
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Anonymous(25-29)+1 ySoon as i saw "a conversation about race" i knew where this was going. There is a reason why other countries laugh at us. Just move forward already.
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+1 yIs that really being taught? Does it even needed to be taught? Some things are just inherent.
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Do u really believe ur words?
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@BlackMaleYou I merely asked a question
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"Somethings are just inherent" doesn't sound like a question.
+1 yDafuq... This is sad... I had no idea things like this could be true...
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Anonymous(36-45)+1 yBlack people can be very difficult to photograph in poor light...
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White people get too white in bright lighting.
Anonymous(36-45)+1 yIn childhood... all around the world, whiteness is associated with goodness and better quality...
00 ReplyWell it's not like you can blame them..
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+1 yThere is zero truth to this.
30 Reply575 opinions shared on Dating topic. Damn y'all are confused...
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Anonymous(30-35)+1 yWho taught them that though?
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The media glorifies whites.
Opinion Owner+1 yHow so?
+1 yI wouldn't like to catch herpes either you know
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@Shakeandroll86 Sorry to hijack this thread. I wanted to point out that OP did EXACTLY as I had stated she would and flagged my post and had it removed because it stated things she didn't like.
Which is exactly what I said she would do and therefore she proved my point.
Tommy Sotomayor deals with this exact childishness every time he criticizes BW.
And he states how only BW will do this and he is right.
So sad that you prove my point by doing exactly what I said you would instead of proving me wrong by being a mature adult and excepting negative comments without getting triggered and flagging it.
+1 yThis is false.
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This is true, the study has been done many times
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The study has been criticized as heavily flawed on multiple occasions for basically what is cherry picking.
+1 yI'm not sure really.
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Well I am
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Why do you think that?
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The media glorifies whites.
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I don't think it does anymore, the media is largely liberal and they represent different types of people now
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