How would you describe The Evolution of Human Mating in 2020?

[el_Te_de_la_Rosa]

Because free milk is everywhere or it's just because of me?

[Anonymous]

The image is accurate. It's also kind of funny to me because it seems to me like women are the ones who cause this.

To be clear before I go on, I'm not an incel or a guy who is bitter because he can't get laid. I'm in a happy relationship and didn't struggle to get laid before that, so I'm not coming from that angle. Nor am I a misogynist.

Women often don't seem to understand cause and effect. Feminism has taught many young women that sleeping around is "liberating", and that slut-shaming is a bad thing.

What I see a lot are women who complain about promiscuous men in one breath, and then in their next breath they're talking about how slut-shaming is bad and that women should be free to sleep around without judgement. So they don't like players, but they want to sleep around themselves. They just flip that double standard upside down.

Here's the thing: women are the gatekeepers of sex. Women control the dating the market for the most part. Sure, if men didn't sleep around this wouldn't happen, and men are partly to blame, but women are the ones who create hook-up culture.

When our culture was more patriarchal the rule was that you had to marry to have sex. Men couldn't sleep around if women were unwilling to have sex outside of marriage. Basically the rule was that the guy had to be committed to the girl to have sex with her, and she wouldn't have sex with him early on. This is why slut-shaming existed, to prevent that from happening.

In comes feminism telling women that that's unfair, that having sex with whoever you want however you want is liberating, then what? The people who really win there are guys who are attractive enough to have sex with a lot of women. Women who follow that path of having fun in their 20s and then looking to settle down in their 30s struggle to find decent men. Men win out here.

To add to that now there are many young women who think that sex work is acceptable, or they look for sugar Daddies. Rich older men. These women will never find decent men either. Decent men will be turned off if they find out the girl had a sugar Daddy. If not, she'll follow the same thing of having fun with that through her 20s and then looking to settle down at 30, but she'll be used to dealing with rich men so she'll want one of those. But, she most likely doesn't have the qualities that a guy would want in a wife, because feminism has taught her that those are unfair expectations also. And anyway she never had to do it with the sugar daddy, he was paying her money because she was young and pretty. Now she has little going for her, and those rich guys won't want her. At best she'll have to settle for an average guy, a huge step down for her. Ultimately she'll be unhappy.

And it's young women who encourage this. Most young men think that all of this is disgusting. But the young women because they can't see ahead just laugh it off.

Yeah, it's all fucked.

[el_Te_de_la_Rosa]

Yes. I view being liberating is a kind of revenge too. But it's very illogical. I found the response to "Free milk" with "Why take home the whole pig if all you want is a bit of sausage?" It doesn't make any sense. We are procreated differently, biologically. The more strangers a woman let them touch, the deeper depression and emptier self it seems. Women produce Oxytocin after being intimate with someone. It's impossible that they won't feel anything. There IS a bonding.

You're right hookup culture exists because of women. Maybe just have to wait for men to grow up and ready to settle down? Well, until then I'll be too old. Or try to convert MGTOW, persuade them to come back? LOL

Thank you for your insight. This is very valuable.

[Opinion Owner]

It is illogical, but those arguments as true as they are don't even work on younger women because they've basically been taught that they should ignore all of that. Plus while they're young they're at their most attractive, and they don't realise that it gets harder as they get older, partly because feminists will tell them that it doesn't - you'll see feminists on here try to convince women for example that the only reason men say it is to control women, when actually the real reason is because it's just true. Also partly because they seem not to care about looking too far ahead while they've got it good.

In our culture also, it seems like feminists especially just like to blame men for everything and come up with social conventions to try to justify women's behaviour. Like for example, a woman has her fun in her 20s avoiding commitment maybe. Then she reaches her 30s and looks to settle down. She meets guys who are turned off by that, because guys naturally don't want a woman who has a high number of sexual partners. What do they then do? Well, feminism has taught them that they shouldn't care about what men want, so rather than encouraging women not to sleep around they attempt to shame men into accepting it. Call him insecure or attack his masculinity in some way. That doesn't work. So the ones who end up losing out there are those women.

But then now what we're seeing is women who are telling other women never to reveal the number of past partners, and are telling men that they shouldn't even ask. Another attempt to manipulate men into accepting it.

There are so many other examples of this. MGTOW guys, at least the ones who aren't just incels, are guys who see all of this and can't be bothered with it. They won't come back, especially because they already know that many women are already trying to do that, and they don't trust it at all.

[glutendan]

The situation is simple.

In a sense mating can be seen as a game where a number of males and females attempt to pair up with their ideal partner where men generally do the propositioning (stable matching problem). Men will basically go down in order of preference until a woman says yes because he is an acceptable match.

The problem us that often men and women will have the same preference as each other. In this case many women might desire the same man. The "fair" means of getting this man to choose you all revolve around becoming his favorite choice that will accept. This might mean being attractive, fit, affectionate, etc... like winning a race by being the fastest.


Now what women have done is popularized cheating the game. By providing sex early on they've essentially cut in line of all the girls who had a chance with that guy, like winning a race by taking a shortcut.

In a stable society this woman should be heavily shamed by other women because she's essentially stolen the prize one of them was supposed to win fair and square.

But due to many modern problems such as sexual liberation women have decided that instead of preventing people from taking the shortcut... that they will all just take the shortcut and offer men sex when they shouldn't.

The are too many factors to list contributing to this development to go through: larger population pools, acceptance of premarital sex, population diversity, loss of faith, less interest in children, more things to focus on, farther life boarders, population separation, etc...

[el_Te_de_la_Rosa]

I agree with you. And "Cheating the game"... I like this words. Let's see when men who chose to have the easier choices get bored of them. From asking some of people I know, even they're in a relationship for 3-6 years, they (the boyfriends) told me they didn't want to get married with the girls.
Plus, there are more single moms who are left after the men knew they're pregnant. So sad.

[Daisy007]

With all the tech out we're pretty much robots sadly :// you'll see people on dates & they'll on their phones "saving" the memory instead of enjoying. Then, there's the apps primarily people use them for hookups & if you're not into that u tell them aaand it'll probably go like that pic they'll search elsewhere 🙃🤦‍♀️🤷‍♀️ SOME people make it waaay to easy now

[Unit1]

Many (not me) got scared like geese over the thought of technology and artificial intelligence emerging and becoming self aware and that machines will enslave us. There's no need to be anymore because it already happened: We humans have already lost to the phones and computers (way before the hypothetical skynet would be born)

However I do not consider machines or AI to be our enemies, who hold us back. That would be a quite hypocritical thing to do. But the people, who lost to it? I am not sure if it's worth saving them. I believe natural selection knows it's way.

= Scoreboard =
Humans: 0
Machines: 3 billion (presumably)

I harness it like the stone-age people harnessed the discovery of fire. Many others got burned.

[el_Te_de_la_Rosa]

Technology causes us to be less patient... it seems. Ones who offer what should be the prize for free indirectly teach men to assume all women are the same, should be treated the same. Very sad.

[el_Te_de_la_Rosa]

@Unit1 Speaking of AI. Have you found bots on any apps?

[Unit1]

Nope. I did not see any AI in my experience. Yet.

[lightbulb27]

Evolution... humm... I call it de-evolution:)

I was observing teens the other day in Panera... clearly some BF/GF's... they were all on their phones... ALL of them. the boyfriend and girlfriend held their phones closer as they staired at the screen and barely communicated. Some just staired into space. Oh my God!! Those people are pair bonding and mating... what becomes of the offspring of them?

I can only imagine what our grandparents thought of our reality, so I'm sure well all survive, but it's messed up.
As for dating, I think it's a mess and doesn't need to be. People don't know where to go, the online is not very trustworthy... so many people have X on top of X and who knows what they did with them... which is revolting. I'm shocked diseases aren't more rampant than they are.
Finding someone compatible, getting through the process, and then being successful together... no wonder birth rates are dropping.

If environmentalists want to save the planet of humans, they should be working to shut down the internet... Want to go protest at coffee shops... buy some jamming devices to lockup their phones... blow up some cell towers with tannerite? Just kidding... there is no hope... must change the human being... good luck with that.
There is evidence this is all damaging the brains of people by the way... children especially. don't let them use this crap that we are using... lol:) I'd suggest if you have kids, pair bond them around 9 to avoid all this crap!

[el_Te_de_la_Rosa]

I do think so. Lots of couples these days communicate via social media. It's boring to see them being dramatic and let everyone see, hoping people would take their side. They complain about their partners online. It's disrespectful. I wouldn't like to be criticized like that if I happen to do something wrong. Direct communication and manner are things people whose lives are into this new world lack of today. Young men who are single would romantically rave (I don't know what the exact word) about their crushes, but don't have courage to tell them in person. Weak.

With dating apps, people have more choices. Then they don't stop at one. Even though it's not easy to trust people whom you can't see in real life. They prefer to take risks.
I like your idea of saving the planet haha. Anyways, I don't think people would survive without phones. My students went on camping recently. Their phones weren't allowed, so they didn't touch phones for a couple of days. They told me they had no idea what to do. Kids now are addicted to online games as well. Playgrounds are filled with kids sitting and interacting with other kids via screens of their phones. No more marbles and cards.

[lightbulb27]

I know... what a social mess:) I really think it is bad for them and society, research showing impact in many ways. I admire these girls in my neighborhood who like to get their bikes out and ride at least... that's something. I think the trees, trails, creek are good for the mind and spirit... it's where we come from.
Another teacher... lots o teachers out here! ... not me...

[el_Te_de_la_Rosa]

Okay. Good to hear that. Thank you.

[ZackBan]

I don't wanna defend players and cheaters but the truth is when both parties are invested in the relationship these things won't happen.
Men are not animals, contrary to popular belief. We know how to turn down a woman just as well as we know how to talk one into it. When a guy cheats it usually means he's not getting his fill, his girlfriend is taking him for granted and the relationship is no longer fun. Of course that's no excuse to justify cheating but it's an explanation to the reason behind it.

[that1Idiot]

Hooooooo the comments. I like this app. Human mating? Like if we're to speak solely upon dating? Its become rather expanded or at least more is known. I will say thongs have changed a bit and i can see where the negative view comes from.

Though quick recap: cheating, lying, manipulation and etc. isn't new. As time goes by a lot of factors and outside influences change. Your world isn't necessarily the world type stuff y'know? there's soo much and soo little to say here that i can only sum it up as... interesting

[ChaoticVortex]

The smart women or the strong minded women play hard to get too much, because guys dont show their interest. And that's it. The other women, make it too easy so it never works out. No one wins unless both sides talk things out. That's how you build it up. But it's hard cause you dont know who the other is until you do know them. So its difficult to judge and most end up judging by appearances. It's a hard knock life for humans in this day and age... I identify as a dragon so... I'm cool.

[el_Te_de_la_Rosa]

Cool. Which one? Shenron or Kaido?

[ChaoticVortex]

Shenron of course. DBZ all day.

[el_Te_de_la_Rosa]

Sha la head cha la~~

[ChaoticVortex]

Naw... this one. DRAGON DRAGON, DRA DRA DRAGON! DRAGON BALL ZEEEEAAHH!

[AlphaMaleTruth]

Id describe it as a steady devolution or decline. Women can't pairbond anymore bc they are told its okay to sleep around from the time they are 5 all through 18. Stds are all time high in women. Birth rate and marriage rate is non extinction level. Women are out of touch with their femininity causing quality men to go their own way.. while single women pound their lonely caves with horse anatomy sold as Human penis' furthering the destruction of her walls and her ability to bond to a mans rod. Its utterly trash today.

[Unit1]

My personal experiences in dating 2019

Me and Girl start messaging until this happens...

Girl: Do you have instagram / facebook / twitter?
Me: I don't have any social media :)
Me: Would you like to know why?
Me: Or you can tell me what's your favorite color ;)
(tomorrow)
Me: Hello! How are you?
(day after tomorrow)
Me: Hi! Just let me know if you want to speak! I'm always up for it!

True story and it happened more than I can remember. I assume being ghosted until I find someone, who won't keep me on the vague zone between interested and uninterested. It's either on or it's not.

[lightbulb27]

so sad, it's become their sense of security, even when it's totally fake. only way to make it happen is meeting people in person.

[Unit1]

@lightbulb27 Fully agreed!
Truth be told, I hate social media (but I'm not telling them that)! Not even having a warranted girlfriend will make me create one.

[el_Te_de_la_Rosa]

I see lots of people relying too much on social media. Ordinarily, if it's my country, you might be assumed that you're in a relationship already. But people online can make up any fake stories as well. Once a man lied to me that he's single. He thought he hid his tail well. No. Just trailing back to see who's the most active commenters, all tagged photos the man tried to hide popped up right away.

Now I deleted my fb account for I would like to know if I'm viewed as a player as well.

[Unit1]

What's your country?

[el_Te_de_la_Rosa]

Thailand.

[Unit1]

Thailand. Isn't it that country, where it's easy to get a girlfriend from? Especially if you're a man from Europe or the US?

[el_Te_de_la_Rosa]

I think it depends. Where are the references you got from? From people you know or articles/news?

[Unit1]

I suppose in a country this poor it will be easier? Do the citizens or at least the women in thailand assume, that europeans or americans are relatively rich?

[el_Te_de_la_Rosa]

Ones who assume all westerners are rich could be from the North eastern part of the country. And that was a stereotype from a couple of decades ago. Now we have a better education. People have learned what the reality is. Internet provides knowledge. Actaully, it's because of the cost of living. In Thailand, expenses for food and residence are a lot cheaper than in the US or Europe. Workers with low-average wage can live here comfortably.

Yup. Some might think it's easier to have a girlfriend here. It's not about the poverty alone. It's about the attitude towards a relationship too. Thai men cheat and think it's normal. Modern women prefer a foreigner. We think they would be more faithful. Hopefully it's true.

[Unit1]

It's hard to tell for me since I am a wanderer and never really stopped to look deeper by how much faithful or unfaithful people from various cultures are. Not really that social either :/

But there's this understanding of "wanting to have their cake and eat it too" --- You can't have your cake and eat it (too) is a popular English idiomatic proverb or figure of speech. The proverb literally means "you cannot simultaneously retain your cake and eat it". Once the cake is eaten, it is gone.

In this case about infidelity, there will be those subhumans out there, who at the same time want a monogamous marriage, yet they will cheat around.

[cheapshotbob]

free milk can make you sick if you get it from a cow that lets anyone milk them lol
i would rather just earn my milk and enjoy the benefits of know how that milk was made , i dont share milk and dont want any other guy having it giving me some std which i have never had in my life.

[BCA6010]

It has become less about mating or long term commitments and more about the quick hookup/temporary pleasure, at least in general. There's very little thought into getting stability and making a family, and more effort put into sexual interaction and appeal.

[BeMuse]

So the guy went for a women that showed him genuine interest in return and the women that stonewalled him, wanted to charge for sex, play games with his head by making him jump through hoops and walk tight ropes for her personal amusement got left in the dust… There’s a pretty clear message there.

[ChefSwol]

Most girls I know were having sex at 16 and they were freaks. Now I see some of them with poor suckers who support them. And then I’ll see them at the bar flirting with me or other people. Mostly me. But that’s the life we live. Mostly cause dudes are cucks enough to let it happen.

[crazy8000]

Pretty common what happens in your cartoon.

Guy like girl. girl have self destructive presumptions and accuse him. guy ships her because of that. an other girl shows up and do what she should have done to get him and guy moves on with her.
First girl get more self destructive pressumptions that aren't true and turn more bitter with more presumption.

[el_Te_de_la_Rosa]

Please explain self destructive presumptions.

[SlothySlob]

No, talking to people in person is too archaic, try phones.

[el_Te_de_la_Rosa]

Hahaha 😂😂😂 I actaully think about letters.

[bamesjond0069]

I disagree. I think its more like this:

I like you so much.
*Free milk*
What a THOT I knew it smh

[el_Te_de_la_Rosa]

Okay. It could be that SOME are just thirsty and don't want to put effort?

[bamesjond0069]

I don't know seems like most of them.

[DJZest]

I saw a girl flirting with the girl baker while shopping yesterday. Before that I saw a girl couple holding hands. Waiting in line to pay I witnessed a 30-year something women flirtatiously look at a teenage girl who responded awkwardly but know what was meant.

All of this within 30 minutes.

Most women are experienced in homo erotic acts.

Watch their tongues.

[wankiam]

i saw more open lesbians in germany last summer than ever before oo but im not saying thats a bad thing... it just means they dont have to hide anymore

[Shamalien]

Free milk is errywhere

Also so many girls say no hookups and dont mean it

[el_Te_de_la_Rosa]

I meant it... since I was born. 😂

[Shamalien]

Well thats good

[LoU_Hades]

"free milk"?
People have too many expectation to their partners and over evaluate their position in relationships.

[el_Te_de_la_Rosa]

But this is not even a relationship.

[Meatunnel69]

My ex’s coworker told her “why buy the cow when you get the milk for free” insinuating because we weren’t married i’m a bad person I told her i should kick his ass for referring to her as a cow. That shut her up.

[el_Te_de_la_Rosa]

At least, yours were a relationship, right? In my case men don't want anything committed.
I don't care if someone compares me as a cow because the intention is to warn that giving away for free is not good. After breaking up with the man, you're less desirable because you 're used.

[Darknut]

You really aren't supposed to go against laws of nature. I don't think it's right that women deny men sexual encounters because they feel slighted vindictive or a power over somebody. Not really supposed to be altering it.

[el_Te_de_la_Rosa]

Well, I don't think saying "Yes. You can have sex with me even we are not in a relationship." is the answer. If there are 100 men approach me only for hookups, I should let all of them have what they want for free? It's a nature of female to be selective too.

[WalterRadio]

Women need to come to grips that they are in a competition for men. If they are not having sex with a guy, some other girl will.

[SwordShield]

Welp, there are men who want sex, and men that want a relationship and sex. It's really dependant on the type of guy.