I do hate those girls that are super high mantience and feel the need to change everything about themselves. Much better to be with someone that is confident with their natural body
Amen sister. You hit the nail right on the head. I wish there were more of you. Traditional men and women are seemingly extinct. As this mentality goes extinct, so may our very existence some day as no one is willing to parent, have kids, teach kids, contribute to society, etc. It's all a party. That is not sustainable nor is it a recipe for true wholesome happiness.
So true! I'm super interested to see how the current generation of kids will turn out considering they are basically being raised by daycares and their grandparents cause their parents are too busy living it up instead of properly raising them
Thanks for the MHO! And yeah, I'm sure that most of them will have trauma because they were raised like that
While still being a homemaker and focusing on that first
Yeah that makes sense. Most traditional women now a days are pretty ambitious in life
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The photos is just what came up when I googled traditional and modern women.
I hear you, Apple. Isn't it weird what they showed you when you googled? The "traditional" woman looks like she's from the 1950s. And the "modern" woman looks like a girl, not a woman. But at least they didn't portray the modern woman the way some female performers and much of media does.
Interesting I would say I'm traditional but definitely not reserved like that
Traditional like expects guys to pay for dates, wants kids and to be married. Modern like feminist, has a career, doesn't want kids or marriage
Then I guess I want neither. Your definition of "traditional" is a deal-breaker because it's sexist to expect men to pay for dates purely because they have penises, and I don't want kids. Your definition of "modern" is a deal-breaker because I would rather kick a wall with a toothpick under my toenail than date a feminist, and I do want to get married.
It's not about men wanting to dominate women in traditional marriages, it's not wanting her to go out and create her own burdens but instead share in carrying, and sharing in the benefits, of mine.
@Paint4blood Yes 👍🏼
I dont think anyone labels themselves these things but it just happens that they'll fall into one of these categories
But I get what you mean. Being happy is the best thing someone can be
Yes for sure it's the only way to be then you can be anything you at any given moment
That is true. Most of them just want to play games
I bet that is true. I'm sure they have dreams of traditional women but can't acutally score one
I doubt they are even smart enough to recognize the value of a traditional woman or even understand how many women deep down desire that, they just think the only way they can get a girl is by simping for the modern woman lol that is their strategy in life
How are you defining traditional values?
@jack187625 define traditional however you would like to
Okay, so looking for a long-term partner, whilst modern would be someone looking for a long-term partner that isn't against having fun in the interim?
Use your own definition
@Apple1996I asked what you meant.
Aren't you the one who also complains that women should pay their own way and alimony is unfair?
@Julietchicago no. Ofc women shouldn't pay their own way. That makes no sense. My girlfriend for example works at home while i pay all the bills. But alimony as it currently exists is harmful and unfair.
But if a girl doesn't work, she would need alimony
@Julietchicago but if she got divorced its her responsibility to work. Women are capable. It just doesn't make sense in a serious relationship like marriage for them to do so. Outside of that they absolutely need to work.
And do what for work? With no experience nor college degree, there isn't much to choose from. Plus if she gets divorced at like 40, it would be impossible to start a good career at that age
@Julietchicago everything you just said is wrong but ok. If she's not my wife why is it my problem? Maybe she shouldn't leave her marriage? 🤔
It's not wrong. It's reality. It's not always the woman's fault that a marriage ends. My aunt left her husband because she found out he was a child molester. Should she have stayed in that marriage?
@Julietchicago thats a single instance. Vast majority of divorces are initiated by women and initiated for reasons such as just not being in love anymore. So that means if alimony is applied across the board far more women who leave for minor reasons would get alimony than if it was nonexistant who leave for valid reasons would not get alimony.Basically do you want your airbag to go off for every single fender bender? Hell no. It would actually be safer to have no airbags than ones that went off every single time for every single accident.So im saying as it exists alimony is a bad thing since its generally applied across the board.
How do you know women initiate it? Are there facts on this?
@Julietchicago yes. Women initiate about 72% of divorces or something like that. Why you think men complaining about divorce law so much? 🤣
And where is this number coming from? Have you ever thought that maybe they initiate divorces bc they are being abused, cheated on or the husband is taking drugs? Actually, the too reason for divorce is infidelity, not "boredom"www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/.../#idm140336027119936title
@Julietchicago thats not a real study. Its 54 couples participating in some sort of counseling program.Thats just not true.I think only financially well off men who abandon a woman who is not financially well off with children who did nothing wrong such as cheating should have any responsibility to pay for her comfort and lifestyle.The vast majority of alimony is NOT this situation or even similar.But in general the more roadblocks you put up on men the less men will be willing to marry and the higher requirements they will require. So even if it seems good its just meaning less women will get married.Men get married to please a woman. Its risk reward... so the reward is make her happy the risk is higher and higher and yeah i want my girl to be happy but im rich and not an idiot. 🤷♂️ so too bad so sad. Lucky my girl gets it and is ok with not getting married.
If you think divorce is for other reasons, I'd like to see where you get the infoIn states like California, both parties pay alimony, not just the man. And if they feel they are being taken to the cleaners, they should marry a woman who makes equal or more money than them.
@Julietchicago but men as a whole dont like women who make money. Like why bother? As this whole thing started... im really confused why a man would marry a woman who didn't follow to a high degree the traditional feminine role? I can't think of a single reason except 1. he's broke and wants a sugar mama 2. he's greedy and will sacrifice anything for extra money.
I don't understand why you say men don't like women who make money. If this were true, every female lawyer, ceo, manager etc would be single. But most of them are married
@Julietchicago most of them are married to beta men because they couldn't get an alpha. And many are single and whining about it ie men are losers for being 30s and 40s and successful and dating 20 year olds instead of the accomplished 35 yo professional woman.
False. Let's think about alphas and who they are married to. Arnold schwarzenegger married a journalist. Duane johnson married a CEO. Joaquin phoenix dating an actress. Most of our presidents wives had careers, Marlon brando married an actress. Aaron rodgers dates a racecar driver, There are very few alphas who mary housewives, just because you're stuck in some kind of 1950s fantasy doesn't mean we all are That's okay if it works for you, but don't act like it's gospel bc you have no followers.So what are u gonna do when your wife turns 35? Ditch her for someone younger?
@Julietchicago a handful of celebrities which may or may not be alpha in their private lives. When you look at normal people their are men women go crazy over and the ones they settle for. I mean also celebs have insane divorce rates above even the general population so i dont think they really prove anything in any way.in my opinion if a girl is modern and or slutty i just fuck them and never ever date them. And these girls wonder why i won't date them and i tell them they just dont have anything i want. And they say im some misogynistic asshole. But i can easily date traditional women and its clearly obvious to have a woman cook clean be feminine to me is far more awesome than some girl who doesn't do those things. Personally i can hardly stand a woman who isn't traditional... i have nothing in common with them nor do i really respect them and they make just no damn sense.
Those celebrities are alpha in real life, especially marlon brando. And divorce wasn't the topic on that.They are right. You are a misogynistic asshole because you could have easily been honest w them before jumping in the sack. But instead you wanted to play fuckboy games because you have a vendetta against them. Just don't be shocked if one of them breaks your knee caps one day w a baseball bat
@Julietchicago well if they have sex without getting to know me its their problem. They are undateable so obviously im not going to date them.
And how does your housewife girlfriend feel about your slutty past? My bet is that she doesn't know
@Julietchicago she loves it. She enjoys having a desirable insatiable experienced masculine man.
I didn't know being a whore makes you a man. Do you like in tijuana? 😂
You pretty much said that fucking a lot of girls makes you a man. I asked if you grew up in Tijuana bc that's how they feel in Mexico
@Julietchicago please quote me as saying that. Being desirable is important. Why would i be some fat loser nobody wants? My girlfriend would be ashamed to be with a man like that and rightfully so.
How does your girlfriend feel about your slutty past?"She loves it. She loves having a desirable, experienced masculine man"Therefore, you are saying slutty men are a sign of masculinity.You now say everyone wants someone desirable (physically), yet you think a woman who has slept w a lot of men is trash. Double standards? Definitely
@Julietchicago desirable doesn't mean slept with everyone. Wtf. And hos are trash. I like a good girl who doesn't sleep around because traditional women dont do that.
But you said you are desirable bc you slept around.And traditional women don't sleep around? LMAO don't be so naive! With all that time on their hands...
@Julietchicago what time on their hands? Lol. Typical girl I've dated stays home and lives w her family and watches young kids and helps clean house. Volunteers at church and believes casual sex is wrong.
Lmao she believes casual sex is wrong and you go out and have it? Then you have the nerve to call yourself religious?
Oh boo hoo go back to your safe space
what makes you think traditional women don't love sex?
I like the modern women that are kinky and use toys and have period sex.
I'm traditional and would do most of that
Really? Which would you not do?
Well I just have my limits on how kinky we get, but period sex is fine
I have a no anal limit. I love period sex. Best sex of the month
Yeah anal is kinda gross, I would do it for my man but in general I'd hope doesn't want that lol
Anal is a hard no for me.Vaginal period sex is a must for me. I love giving oral too.
I think both types of women love sex
Probably but traditional seems more reserved