How many men here like masculine traits in women? Which of these traits do you find attractive?

[TomGarand]

I believe the title should have been enough, but I feel like I should go more in depth. I've made several other questions on here explaining myself and my preferences in women. A total girly girl might be perfect for many men here, but I'm not one of them. But for me, what I find attractive are traditional masculine traits like the following:

-Dominance/Leadership (I'm a Submissive, sothis is the most important trait)

-Athletic or muscular bodies (I'm straight, so only women's)

-Aggression/Assertiveness

-(Possibly) A love of meat/not being a vegetarian or vegan (I'm a meat lover myself)

-Tallness (To me, that's 5'6 at the absolute least)

-Being willing to fight

-Physical prowess

I know that despite girly girls being considered ideal, tomboys do have their fair share of admirers here. If not tomboyishness, some masculine traits are considered attractive in women. So for the men here, what masculine traits, traditional or stereotypical, do you find attractive in women?

And while I intended this to be primarily for men to answer, I am willing to accept the inverse from women. Women, are there any feminine traits, traditional or stereotypical, that you find attractive in men? If so, what are they?

[Kurαȷ]

I prefer masculine traits in women to be limited to facial features, intellect (and academic interests) and certain aspects of personality (such as logic/problem oriented reasoning and coping rather than emotion oriented).

I don't like "girly girls" and submissive women, but I don't like aggressive or "butch" women either.
I just like mature, competent, independent women who aren't afraid to ruffle feathers, not because they want to "dominate" a male, but because they are weeding out the men who aren't on their level- whether intellectually, professionally or romantically.

I don't like vegetarians/vegans, but mainly because I think it's stupid and empty, feel-good virtue signalling crap.
I do like tall women (5'9"~5'11) because I think they have more appealing proportions.

I definitely don't agree with the muscles and aggressiveness.
I like tall, dainty, model looking women
And I also don't like masculine fashion, except pants, if we are counting those.
I prefer more in the lines of office attire than sundresses and skirts, but still unmistakably feminine applications of those.

I think Anllela Sagra is the most "masculine" in terms of muscles that I would handle.
But Line Brems is what I consider the most appealing physique, and facial appearance, in terms of masculine traits.

[Kurαȷ]

And I definitely don't want my partner to fight anyone, lol.
I expect pretty much a posh-ass snob level of eloquence and demeanor, at all times.

[TomGarand]

And I'm guessing men who are Subs are not on such women's level, since they want her to lead.

In my case, the tallness is because tall people have more absolute strength, and I perceive tallness as physical dominance, like most people do. Although I do understand that there are plenty of tall people who are Subs.

[hahahmm]

All of the stuff you listed is not simply "masculine". Women can be feminine and have all of that stuff. The difference is that in traditional femininity women did not get aggressive towards males or even think about fighting one. Now a lot of women have been brainwashed into thinking that they can fight men & many men have been brainwashed into thinking that they shouldn't use their strength against a female. It's a bad combination... bad for the guy, I mean. If you're saying 'what if a woman has a body just like an athletic male' -- nah, that's not attractive, bro. It's about as attractive as a woman having a mustache. Yeah, there's guys who are into it. There's also guys who are into hammering nails into their ding dong.

[TomGarand]

The reason why I defined the above traits as traditionally masculine is because men are more likely to have them. I never said that women CAN'T have them. It's just not as likely.

Men are more likely to engage in any activity that makes them more athletic/muscular (Sports, exercise, hard labor, etc).

Men are more likely to be dominant/leaders.
Men are more likely to be tall.
Men are less likely to be vegans.
Men are typically more aggressive and assertive.

In a similar vein, women are more likely to be...

Nurturing.
Empathetic.
Nurturing.
Short.
Submissive.
Physically weak/inactive.
Vegans.

[hahahmm]

But women are known to bully each other hard. Women tend to hate having female bosses. Women tend to mercilessly attack each other in social media settings. So again... something like women being dominant/leaders/aggressive does happen. It's just they are doing it to each other. And arguably if you ACT like a woman and one leads you that doesn't mean that same woman would be leading a dude who is more masculine than you. I'm sure you can see that. I guess the problem is that some people act very different than they are. Some guys who act super macho are actually little girls in private with their dominant ball busting feminist girlfriend.

[hahahmm]

As far as women being more likely to be nurturing -- by nature/biology they are (proven by studies of wild young apes) but we have a lot of women who only pretend to be nurturing. They abort 20 babies in secret and then have 1 in public and say they're a great nurturing mother. Or they have a baby and then spend all of their time wh@ring instead of taking care of their kid. I'm cynical.

[TomGarand]

Are you one of those Red Pill men?

[hahahmm]

I don't claim labels like that but you can see some of my views in my MyTake: being a better man.

[TomGarand]

Well, I'm going to guess that none of the traits listed above are attractive to you, considering that you didn't list any.

[homie3112]

Not a guy, but I am bi. (That rhymes.)
I like tomboys, assertiveness. I don't want someone who is afraid to start a conversation. I wouldn't say agression because that just makes me feel cornered. Height, I don't give a damn. Body, I'm not attracted to muscles, but they do not deter me.

[ellystarwings]

A few guys i hooked up were into masculine or toned women

[TomGarand]

Really? How were those men? Were they subs like me? Or were they normal men?

[ellystarwings]

Normal

[TomGarand]

Your thoughts on male subs?

[humanearth]

I'm a odd ball, I really fall for the manly tomboys. Girls that fix their own cars, not afraid to build things with their, go hunting and trapping. Can drive a stick shift cars and trucks

But at the same time they have to like my girly side. I like all the things above but I also cross dress.

[DeltaCharlieEcho]

Definitely don't want a dominant chick, would like her to be self sufficient but not dominant.
Athletic and in good health is essential.
Aggression and Assertive are not the same thing. She needs to be assertive, but if she gets aggressive I'm out no questions asked.
Don't care about diet unless she tries to impose her diet on me.
I generally date women between 4'11'' - 5'4'' But I'm 5'9'' so that should make reasonable sense.
Everyone should know how to defend themselves; it'd be cool to have a girlfriend to light spare with regularly.
Eh

[TheorionMage]

There are FEW things MORE 'sexy' than a female OF ANY AGE, aggressively acting upon their desires.

YOU inhabit that 'female theme park' and can invite whomever you choose,
to 'ride those rides' for as long or as little... as YOU... their Owner, chooses 'appropriate'. ;)

[TomGarand]

Uhh... what?

[WalterBlack]

I like athletic women, especially if they have the physical agility to participate in extreme sports. Women who are competitive are cool. I also enjoy meeting women with hobbies that are traditionally considered masculine, like working on cars. But I find dominance or unnessicary aggression in women to be a major turn off. Not really fond of tall women either.

[Letsgo44]

I am a straight guy but I am into all these for some reason. I am smaller for a man, 5’6 but I’m into girls who are tall, and have crushed on some lesbians

[Malik00]

I feel better knowing a girl can take care of herself

[AFellowWeeb]

i dont like games, i like a girl that points me to the right direction when i need

[TomGarand]

So dominance.

[AFellowWeeb]

balance buddy, balance like everything i like in life

[TomGarand]

Oooooooooooooooh!

[Barbaric]

Nah, none of them. You might as well get yourself a boyfriend.

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

I want then strong and capable, but to say I like them masculine is a very long stretch.

[Anonymous]

Yes but only because I want to have a relationship where both of us are alphas lol

[TomGarand]

Hopefully male Subs like me don't get the short end of the stick.

[Sparda20xx]

I love an agressive woman. And I love a tall woman

[Unit1]

Masculinity. It's just a social term. Empty meaning.

[TomGarand]

Biology: Am I joke to you?

[Jeremym3]

Muscles can be so cute

[Brian___1731]

None of these traits. I like feminine girls

[Gooblegobble]

I'm not into any of those traits, really.

[IlluminatiExposed0]

Confidence, sense of humour.

[Anonymous]

I prefer tall masculine women.

[nodnol32]

100% agreed.

[TomGarand]

On finding the following traits attractive?

[nodnol32]

Yes.

[Anonymous]

i barely like women at all