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Not useless, but its about sexual market value. Some women overly obese have 0 sex value even before 30ies, but as generally people tend to lose shape after 30ies for sure, and womens sex value is mostly based on her body looks. So if u still look 25 tight and fresh even tho u 40 u would still have sexual value on market. Thats how it works. Everything else is just preference.
Let’s put men’s sexual value on the table then, shall we? Your looks start to fade at 35 too. You also start becoming less and less fertile and less and less potent. Now if men and women take care of themselves they can have kids into their 70s. There are several women who are anymore too. They are all mainly foreign though not American. Diet maybe?
@Orangesareyummy im not saying guys are doing any better on sexual value market most of guys are just low and even disgusting. But as for topic guys are programmed to seek youth and fertility, its not even a choice for us. I literally as a guy have to use so much energy and concious focus not to look at hot women body, its actually painful mentally. If i just relax and let myself flow with natural intinct then i want to look at nice booty and enjoy it. But we get shamed for it, so yea it is what it is, people eat to deal with pain in life. can't blame them
I think some men would to date a nice woman, despite her age?
That’s not what you said originally. All you did was focus on women.
Oh yes nothing sexier than an old crusty 45 year old naked guy. Haha! Who do you think you’re kidding.
@Orangesareyummy some men would date women despite her age question. Well there are many hungry, desperate and lonely guys so yes, yes they would.
@Orangesareyummy what i said originally. M? Is there something wrong with what i said originally?
Women can get offended and lie to themselves all they like, but single men will always prefer younger women. You can see it in almost all of the men's replies.
The wise decision for a woman is not to piss around through their entire 20s dating fucktards and thinking they have all the time in the world. Any woman who does that thinking that they're getting one over on men is really cutting her nose off to spite her face.
No they aren't useless and some are very attractive but the reality is that between 16 and 20 girls have an enormous edge in the dating world. Men never get that high even at their peak (which comes later).
Some girls start to lose their appeal right away and others lose it a little later but the reality is that girls on average peak in the time frame and on average they are less desirable (overall) to men.
There will always be a small amount of men who find 50 year old women hot and there will always be a small percent of 50 year old women who actually are hot but overall girls peak much earlier. Men are at a disadvantage until their late twenties and men as a group peak from 30 -35 and then the start to decline but the decline much more slowly than when females decline. Its just a fact of nature but there are always people who break free from those stereotypes and look good most of their lives.
I think men have it better than they say and are completely clueless to why women endear. All the hate only makes it harder on everyone.
I think there are plenty of young women who don’t get treated nearly as well as you fantasize they do.
@Orangesareyummy I am just speaking in general. Its not a good thing or a bad thing. Its just how humans evolved
Yep you’re right women did evolve. Whereas men like you are still in the stone ages.
@Orangesareyummy insulted because i spoke of the truth. I didn;t lie about anything or offer my opinion, it is just simple biology and you are mad at me?
I can guarantee you that most men nowadays have no interest in dating 16-20 yr olds. They might just use her for sex. But would have no interest in actual dating.
In terms of companionship no I don’t think so, in terms of child rearing I think guys would prefer a younger girl because she would be more fertile. Being in my late 20s I really wouldn’t mind an 18 year old girlfriend as long as she was mature and not really the party type.
Well, if children are still desired 35 does seem to be the make or break poi t for most men, and a large number of women too. That being said, I would consider women 35 and older, “useless”. They have other intrinsic value they can bring to a relationship for some men.
I would not* consider...
It's more accurate to say, women passed the age of 30 are less physically attractive.
This is true. Even if you find a woman who is still hot at 35, she was almost certainly even more hot at 25.
But i wouldn't say useless. You can still be professionally valuable, emotionally valuable, or valuable as a mother.
This is why i advocate women get married at 25, instead of waiting until 30 . You're at your most attractive in your early/mid 20s. Therefore, you can attract the highest quality male in that age bracket. Waiting until you're 35 to marry, is just limiting your options unnecessarily.
Men are much more forgiving of women who where hot when they met them but then aged, than they are of women who are already aged when they meet.
Most women get married in their 30s nowadays. Nobody marries at 25
@aliali8 and the women who do marry in their 30s are shooting themselves in the foot by doing so. They could have attracted a better partner 10 years earlier. The top their males, almost universally prefer women in the 20-30 bracket, and because women are not allergic to dating older men, even men in their late 30s can and do still date women who are mid 20s.
Something being normal does not make it right.
Also, last I checked, around 50% of women have already been/are married by the time they hit 30. So your statement is just flat out wrong.
Think about it this way. If you want to win in the 100m dash in the Olympics. Are you going to do it in your early/mid 20s when you are at your physical prime? Or are you going to establish a career in your 20s and then hope to beat the 20y athletes when you're 30? Will the 20y athletes suddenly slow down just as you have because you where off establishing a career first? Or are they going to completely smoke you because they are at their lifetime peak physical condition while you are 10 years passed peak?
Well I live in NYC, everyone here gets married and have kids in their 30s. Men here have nothing against marrying a woman in her 30s. You probably live in the Midwest small Christian town where it is culture for people to have 5 kids by the time they turn 30. My mother married when she was 35 and she birthed me at 37 and 40. All my cousins were birthed by 30 something yr old mothers.
Most women in their early to mid 20s usually have no desire to get married. They are too busy enjoying and laughing with friends, exploring the world, discovering new interests and hobbies, discovering which guys they like to date, getting skills for their first job.
Women start getting married at least in their late 20s. But if you marry a woman in her late 20s, she will probably birth all your children in her early 30s and onwards.
Would you tell your 32 yr old wife to abort your second child because 30 something yr old women shouldn't be giving birth?
I'm planning on giving birth in my 30s too. I want to enjoy my life before I get tied down to my kids. I don't want to be bitter by the time I turn 40 because thats reality of what is goin to happen if you have kids too early.
I also want to have enough money to support my child. Do you realize that a large percentage of divorces are the result of couples that aren't financially stable enough to raise children? And people divorce when they settle down with the wrong person, way too early. When you're young, immature, and inexperienced, you aren't too sure of what to look for in the right spouse.
Nowadays, people are getting married increasingly late in life and as a result , divorce rates have declined.
This is universal everywhere in every country. It's an innate biological instinct to prefer dating younger more fertile women. It is not a cultural thing. However, since you think that matters. I have lived in all, east, mid and west USA as well as Finland. I am not religious, nor is it the norm to be religious in my locality. The women shoot themselves in the foot here just as often as you American girls do.
I also never said anything about having children, just marriage. I said get married in your prime. It have children in you're prime, though that would also be good advice as younger pregnancies are lower risk, and easier to recover from.
Sorry if reality offends you, but that doesn't change the fact that it is reality.
Again, most does not mean right. A girl who marries passed the age of 25 has shot herself in the foot. She could have done better had she married earlier.
The longer you wait, the more likely you are to end up 40, single, desperate, and yes, bitter. If you think having children makes one bitter, then you should not have children. You are clearly sick in the head and have an incredibly toxic view of what marriage/children are.
Won't take my word for it? Read the book "marry him". It's a book, written by Lori Gottlieb, a 54y Feminist with personal experience. It describes what life as a single woman is like passed 30, passed 40, and even into the late 40s. And makes the case for why you should marry in your 20s.
Divorce rates have not declined because people are marrying later. They have declined because fewer people are getting married. So now a larger proportion of people getting married, are doing so for religious reasons and thus are less likely to initiate divorce in fear of hell.
Just because you want a young woman with high fertility, it doesn't mean she wants you. I'm 25 and I'm not interested in anyone over the age of 33. As a pretty young lady, I have plenty of options of handsome young men to pick from. why would I go for an old ugly guy if I can get hotter ones?
So if you're a balding 42 yr old man desperately trying to start a family, you would be happy if a 35 yr old woman to pay any attention to you.
My own mother got married at 35 and birthed me at the age of 37. She also birthed my brother at 40. All of my cousins were birthed by 30 something yr old mothers too. So no, I do not believe that 30 something yr old women are undesirable.
Men tend to want younger women, but that doesn't make women over 35 "useless." Besides, if girls can date anyone they want, so can guys. It's not a one-way street. You don't get to complain about our dating preferences when we don't get to complain about yours.
Only silly people would think that way. If women are useless after 30s it means men are very useless after their 40s 😉
Some dudes want younger girls because they're predatory. Younger girls are easier to manipulate and might not be able to spot the red flags as easy as someone who is older.
Most of the time, they can't get a relationship with someone who is the same age as them because of this - so they have to go younger and find someone who is more naive.
The truth is that men will prioritize the beautiful girls above all in society. It has all to do with beauty. Women after 30 who have never gotten pregnant have a very hard time, sometimes impossible time with the whole process.
What has being pregnant got to do with anything? 😂😂😂
Personally im only interested in non-crazy girls who actually want to do their duties.
Their 'duties'? What are you meaning by this?
The level of beauty of a girl. And her willingness to do her job with it.
**News alert**
Her job ain't to attract tons of simps until she has to retire from the game.
Are you good looking yourself? Are you saying she needs to want to have children with you? - since you haven't really explained why pregnancy was important
@Vetis
What are their duties to you?
If i let her seduce me and find out later it was for some investment other than Top Tier seed, im disinterested.
Top Tier seed? 😂 You've got to be joking 😂
I believe im better than most women. The girls that are disinterested in my Being, very few, i dont engage with. Time and energy is too important to fantasize to no end.
You're genuinely making me laugh. You think you're better than women but are actually gonna use "Top tier seed" in a sentence seriously 😂
And ugly girls that aren't fit, i reject. I have rejected many girls like this from the time i was 11 years old to last week. What is the END? I think like this.
Please explain what you look like? I'm genuinely curious
Online, I usually show people a kind of painted portrait of my current self (before i had surgery for a broken jaw), or an outdated pic of when I was that 11 year old. Or both. What will be your order?
Why would you show people what you looked like at 11 if you're now 20? That's a big odd.
*bit
I dont care to go over my metrics because i dont care that im 140iq and 6ft4in. What makes someone special isn't their metrics, but their actual beauty does make a difference.
Are you meaning someone's physical beauty or mental? Obviously physical attraction is important but the way you're speaking about women is misogynistic.
Because I was as beautiful then as i am now, and the outdated picture is of me acting. It is special.
The forums supposed to be instructive actually if you want to know what i am like, you should ask to direct message me. Keep the forum instructive.
Then you're gonna have to make it possible for me to send you a message 🙃😂
Right, I'll do that. Apologies, gag's auto settings are dumb.
@Vetis why would they want your kid?
They're the vessel that desires Me.
Don’t worry about Vetis. He’s a smug unhappy little man who treats people like they are idiots. Hehe old comedy reference.
@Vetis that’s what a superiority complex stems from. You aren’t better than anyone.
@Vetis aww how does it feel to fall on your own sword? Sounds like you’re damaged goods there too lockjaw... give hate get hate
@Orangesareyummy My jaw is still sharper than a 7 inch dagger. If you're blessed to be a hot girl, you literally have heavy weights hanging off your chest. VULNERABLE!!! Pray Im nice. (I am).
@Vetis you obviously don’t understand whats going on.
@Vetis I am very well endowed breast wise.
"Some dudes want younger girls because they're predatory. " the ignorant wishful thinking all over the place. I've given a far more detailed and accurate explanation in my own comment. So go check that out and educate yourself. The situation is far more nuanced than you make it out to be.
I think those men fear growing old. They rarely look at what men go through as far as aging too. They are mainly just toxic men who like to pick on women. It’s really sad.
Actually since guys like to talk about sexual market, I think I will create a poll about their market value. Share some pictures.
Lmao, don't listen to men and that garbage, this is the biggest lie since flat earth theory.
Assuming you're talking about them as partners, No. But they are more than likely still single at that point for a very good reason (widows don't count).
I will go for Asian cougars.
Men that have that opinion aren't worth going after. You'll find that they're just after superficial looks and that they are often intimidated by women who are successful in their own right and don't 'need a man'.
what a load of crap... it will either be kids saying that or old cynical men who got divorced
No, of course they're not useless. They're just not as attractive. A woman over a certain age is attractive to a guy like a man under a certain height is attractive to woman. 35+ (or perhaps younger) is like being a 5'6" guy. Not useless, but not sought after, and definitely not on the opposite gender's list of attractive traits.
Neither are guys. I think men hate on women enough.
To say a 50 year old shouldn’t be attracted to women in their 30s is a bunch of bullshit. You’re also setting relationships up to fail because if there is more than a 15 year age gap it doesn’t usually work out.
@Orangesareyummy Well there's a lot to unpackage here. First, plenty of guys are attracted to women in their late 30s if they take care of themselves. Age isn't necessarily an issue so much as how old someone looks. If a 38 year old woman looks like she's 25, she'll be viewed as more attractive than a 25 year old that looks 38, despite being 13 years older. That being said, all things being equal, many guys would find a 20-something more desirable than a 30-something, especially if he's interested in having kids. Telling a guy that he should be attracted to something that he isn't necessarily attracted to isn't really gonna move the attraction needle. It's like a 5'5" guy telling all of the girls 5'5" and under that they should all be attracted to him because they're of similar height when all of those girls are attracted to guys 6'+. It doesn't matter how much he whines about it; they're not gonna find him more attractive than a 6' guy and his constant badgering will make him look less attractive. Same thing applies here.
Second, age gap isn't really a good indicator of whether a relationship will succeed. Plenty of relationships fail regardless of age difference. I know a guy who's going through a divorce after 5 years of marriage and their age difference was 2.5 years. Granted, compatibility might broadly decline as the age gap increases, but I think that speaks more towards the people in the relationship and their willingness to make it work. Compatibility changes through time. It's not constant. So just because a couple is compatible in the beginning, doesn't mean they're be compatible in the end and vice versa.
Sorry I don’t limit people based on age. It doesn’t really seem to be helpful though that either gender brings up age. Because when it comes down to it, men and women both age. Some better than others. Like some people in my hands reunion oh jeez! They should put down the bottle and go to bed!!! I’ve seen women in their 60s who are more attractive than the put down the bottle people.
No sorry age gap does make a difference in the real world. Now I’ve seen a couple huge age gaps work. However, both were very wealthy and could afford help. That’s not reality for most though. People of the same or close to the same generation tend to have better understanding of each other. I think aging is beautiful. Only the ugly shame it or make people less because of it.
That isn't true, beauty starts to decrease at 30 but they are still good looking and aren't useless, if I was a 35 yr old man who was single, I would know beggars can't be choosers and would happily date 35 yr old woman.
As a guy of 48 I'd definitely say no. I'm married but if something happened and I was single again 35 would be on the young side...
They are just hitting their prime. Looks like you have a decade or more to go.
Well obviously. Lol you wouldn't buy a car over 25 years. Woman hit puberty around 15 to 16 completely. That means by time they are 21 to 31 it's their prime time to get married. After that body starts to fall and loose estrogen. Beauty drops too. It's a train reck unless they use cosmetic like celebs.
I know a lot of people who like old cars!!! Shallow fool! Have fun being old and alone.
im not attracted to men over the age of 33 either. thats when they go balding and gain weight