Are women after 35 useless?

[Anonymous]

I have been reading forums where men say that a woman after her thirties is undesirable and that they would go after young girls rather than one in their same age.

[MrOracle]

No, they are not useless, but on the dating marketplace, they have considerably less value than they did in their 20s.

Men and women both have times in their lives when their value on the dating marketplace (social market value, or SMV) is low. For men, it's when they're young. The world is full of young men who have little to offer: they aren't emotionally mature, they have no status or resources, and the vast majority get little attention from women (we're not talking about the top 1% here - we're talking average guys). This is incredibly frustrating for men, but it's something we have to deal with, and work very hard to change.

Women, on the other hand, begin the game at maximum value - kind of like inheriting $100M when you turn 15 - you might not be able to buy ANY house, but the world is awash in very nice houses that you can easily afford. Average 18-year-olds are nearly universally attractive, and that continues through their 20s. They might not be able to get EVERY man, but they can get most men, and they have a lot of leverage. Much of that leverage is a result of their fertility - the main reason that women are so valuable at those ages is because that's when her fertility is highest, along with her ability to have healthy children.

But this also means women's SMV drops way off in her early 30s (again, we're not talking about the top 1% who can buck this trend for a while - we're talking about the 99%), as her fertility drops. And this coincided when the average man's SMV is approaching its peak - a peak that's not nearly as high as women's, but higher than women's will ever be again.

Men are like people who are born poor and eventually become - if not wealthy, at least comfortable. It sucks when they're young, and forces them to work hard and smart (which not all men do), but their situation improves over time. Women are more like people who are born into wealth and privilege, but who lose their money and status, and have to face a harsh new reality of having to work hard for everything when they're used to having everything they want without having to work - and, of course, many women can't accept this truth and are in denial about it, while other women adapt and work to increase her value.

This does NOT mean that women have ZERO value at 35 - but compared to the value (and leverage) they're used to having in their 20s, many women are blindsided by the fact that men who would have happily gotten in a relationship with them at 28 are no longer interested at 33. Sure, they may still pursue them for sex, but when she starts talking about a relationship, men tend to fade away or make an excuse or whatever.
You don't have to believe me - listen to these women:

https://www.youtube.com/embed/hQFMiE3nRWYhttps://www.youtube.com/embed/UbsiOZGQg1Yhttps://www.youtube.com/embed/vhhgI4tSMwchttps://www.youtube.com/embed/anECwFYnyh0

Again, no one is saying women's value goes to zero - but when you're used to being "social market wealthy", and then you become "social market working class", you can't delude yourself that you can maintain your "wealthy" ideas and attitudes, because the market isn't having it. You can't take $2000 to a BMW dealership and drive off with a paid-for new car, just because 5 years before, you easily had the $80,000 to pay for one whenever you wanted one - and the BMW dealer doesn't care what you're used to being able to do - only whether you have the value to trade for the car.

[Massageman]

Interesting that you used "leverage" as a synonym for "value" when discussing younger gals. They have the leverage because of their perceived "value" of youth. "Older" women have the ACTUAL value of EXPERIENCE.

[TruthBringer]

@MrOracle Absolutely well said!

@Massageman Yes, they have more experience and that's their biggest card to play with. Yet, there is often a lot of bitterness and emotional baggage that come with that experience and no self-respecting man wants to deal with a woman in her 30s (or any age really) that shows signs of it.

[MrOracle]

@Massageman Men and women value different things in the opposite sex. Women tend to value emotional maturity, stability, safety, and resources - generally all things that older men tend to have and younger men tend not to have. This means that women care about a man's career and status, because she'll be a beneficiary of those things.

Men, however, value youth, beauty, fertility, and lack of complications. That's why women's value is so incredibly high in their late teens and 20s, and why it's so much lower later on. Men don't care about women's careers or status or experience NEARLY as much, so those things don't help women much with most men. Men also generally do NOT want to take on another man's children, or come in 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, etc. to her children from past relationships. Nor do they want a woman who is deep in debt, has a bunch of medical or mental health issues, or problems with ex's from past relationships - but most women in their mid-30s tend to have at least some of these.

And the men that most women think they deserve (the above-average-looking, successful, well-educated men) can easily get 20-something women when they're between 35-50, and so they mostly do. But women in their 30s usually can't accept the reality of their lowered SMV, and refuse to consider anything less than their ideal man - the kind of men they COULD have gotten in their 20s, but were too busy having fun with the guys who weren't looking for anything serious.

Some women DO accept the reality, and they date men much closer to their own SMV, so it's not impossible for many of these women to find a relationship - they just have to humble themselves a bit. But some of these women have a long history of bad choices - like the woman in the last video, who is as clueless as a 20-year-old but has more baggage than a wealthy family moving overseas, and can't understand why men don't want her.

[Doflamingo1]

Literally spoke the red pill into existence. Finally a good influencer

[VanillaSalt]

All these facts and proof and still downvoted by women... fuck em man

[TruthBringer]

@VanillaSalt Women are notorious for not able to see things for as they are, but rather want things to be as they want. They often shove facts aside because they cause a cognitive dissonance

[aliali8]

@MrOracle Thats very interesting. But statistically the average age gap for couples is only 3.5 years. So if 35 yr old men are so respected for their wealth and status, then why isn't the average age gap 13.5 years?

Empirical evidence has also accumulated in support of women's preferences for older men, and as you might expect, the data often overlap with those data supporting men's preferences. As this sample of Conway-Beam and Buss's (2019) review suggests:

-Cross-culturally, women report wanting partners who are (on average) 3.5 years older than them.
-In online dating, women make the first contact with older men at a greater than rate they do younger men.
-Marriage records show that women are marrying men who are older than they are by about 3 years.

www.psychologytoday.com/.../what-we-know-about-age-gaps-in-dating-love-and-marriage

[Torari]

Young and aging women hate being confronted with the factual reality that they will not have the same quality, or quantity of options at 35 than they did at 25. But when they hit 40 and are still single, they'll begin preaching for marrying young.

[MrOracle]

@Torari Actually, they won't. You're thinking like a man.

Men don't like to see other men make painful mistakes, and so older men tend to teach younger men to do better, even though they are competition.

Women are almost the opposite: when women have made a mistake, they want every other woman to make the same mistakes, or worse, so that she can feel better about herself. Women constantly encourage other women to make bad choices, so that she doesn't have to feel alone with HER bad choices. You see this all the time: women HATE to see another woman happy, and will work together with ant-like efficiency to convince the happy woman to destroy her own life.

[TruthBringer]

Useless as in useless humans and they can't contribute anything to society, themselves or their loved ones? Of course not...

Useless in terms of dating? I wouldn't take a radical conclusion like that either. But are women in their 30s less desirable than women in their 20s for legit reasons? Yes, and I'll explain why:

1. Women in their 20s are most fertile and the most beautiful compared to women in their 30s (generally speaking of course). As women in their 30s are entering a phase that their looks are starting to decline. And so does their fertitily.

2. An even more important factor has to do with entitlement, preferences and standards that seem to clash with men of their own age or older. Women in their 30s can be less cooperative and willing to adapt to their partner compared to women in their 20s. As women in their 20s have experienced less bullshit and don't carry as much bitterness, emotional baggage and entitlement compared to MANY women in their 30s (many, not all). So why should a man go with a woman in her 30s who is much more hard-headed when he can go for that woman in her 20s, who is much more willing to cooperate and who he can enjoy her beauty much longer? I wouldn't choose the former, that's for sure.

3. There seems to be the following pattern that more and more men have experienced and I've witnessed myself: Women in their 30s often put up a facade by acting more friendly, acting more fun, are easier to go along etc. So the man would think "Wow! she is such an amazing person". While in reality, she is making herself look more appealing in order to land a man man ASAP. Because her biological clock is urging her to get herself a man and pop out kids. But once she lands the man and once she has those kids, she feels safe enough to drop the mask and starts showing her TRUE face. And this has lead to so many conflicts and seperations. So why should a man go for a woman in her 30s who carries the risk of this behavior when he can get with a woman in her 20s who is far less likely to show this behavior?

This is how the sexual market views this topic. Just like certain groups or demographics are more desirable than others. Is it fair? In some cases yes, in other cases no.

[Avicenna]

You better hope that crazy Nella doesn't have yet another duplicate account and reads this!

[TruthBringer]

@Avicenna She is free to try. She already got her ass handed to her multiple times by myself alone. Let alone countless other people lmfao

[aliali8]

With that nasty disrespectful attitude towards women, no high quality woman would ever want you

[TruthBringer]

@aliali8 "Nasty attitude" did you even read what I wrote? It's often men who have to deal with the nasty attitude that I've described. Just because I expose a truth about female nature doesn't mean I'm disrespecting women as a whole. I bet you wouldn't be sqeeking the same words when I expose darks side of men. Nah, jus tbecause the topic is about women, how dare I? Sorry sweetie, but facts don't care about your feelings.

And the irony you talk about high quality women not wanting me, I'm currently in a long term relationship with one.

[aliali8]

you're not just exposing the truth. you enjoy saying the truth multiple times in multiple different ways in order to laugh and mock women. there is a difference in stating the truth and saying it in a mocking way. you have been around this website and i've seen you around. you are nothing more but just a nasty disrespectful bully who hates women. If you're not sad, why are you so bitter and full of hate? Everything about you is just reeking with negativity , pessimism and hatred.

[TruthBringer]

@aliali8 Not my problem that I’m exposing a patterns prevalent among women in their 30s that MEN experience within dating. It always cracks me up to see women get mad or try to deny certain behaviors they themselves will NEVER have to deal with, but men generally have experienced themselves. The only thing you could do is use shaming tactics. Typical approach of someone who doesn’t hold the intellectual capacity to come up with a valid counter-argument. Instead of getting mad at me, how about you actually try to research this topic and what I’ve said. What I said isn’t to bash women. It is to make people aware of certain behaviors prevalent within a certain group that is dangerous for men in terms of long term commitment.

Drop your simplistic mindset about hate. Not everything in life is as black and white as you make it out to be. And not everything is fueled by hate. People like yourself are extremely predictable. If I hate women, then I would bash every woman and I would not want to have anything to do with them. Hell, I wouldn’t even research their psychology. It’s fools like yourself who think anyone who criticizes women is out there hating women. Because God forbid that any man would have standards, preferences and the freedom to criticize women. Or are women the only ones who are allowed to have such privileged over men? And if I were such a woman-hater as you claim I am, then I wonder how half of my followers are women and have met amazing women who got to like me and want to have meaningful conversations with me through private messaging. Good luck battling that cognitive dissonance, little snowflake. You clearly need it.

[aliali8]

I think you're the mad , angry, bitter one on here. If you're happy with life, why would you be so obsessed with mocking other people? you didn't state the truth, you said it in a bullying fashion over and over again , as if mocking others gives you orgasms.

Women really are the advantage here. If a woman wants a child and a family, she can have one. A man can't ever have children unless he finds love. So women are the prize. If you're 46 years old guy with no wife in sight, you would take any woman under 40, who can produce you a child. If you have no options, you can't be picky

[TruthBringer]

@aliali8 Actually I'm not, my dating life and love life isn't lacking. Prior to meeting my wonderful girlfriend who is in her early 20s, I had no issues dating women and bonding with them whether they were in their 20s or older. I'ts actually snowflakes like yourself who go throw logical fallacies simply because you're prejecting your own insecurities onto other people. We get it hun, the truth is hard. But reality is, facts don't care about your feelings.

The only correct thing you said is women being in an advantage. Well, in dating and sex that is. But men are the gatekeepers of relationships. And judging from the marriage rates that are at an all-time low, men are opting out. And also many women are left as single mothers.

[aliali8]

@TruthBringer Well just wait till she sees how much you hate women on here, which you have been hiding from her. Let her see how you mock and shit on older women. She will definitely be worried about what is going to happen to herself once she hits 40.

Men are not the gate keeper to relationships and you have no proof of this. Women are the prize. If you're 45 yr old guy and still single, you would gladly accept a 36 yr old woman. Guys without options , cannot be picky.

[aliali8]

Don't talk about other peoples insecurities if you're bitter, angry, and desperate to mock others. People who have nothing good to say about others, never tend to have anything good to say about themselves. Happy people who are content with themselves are at peace and won't have any reason to make fun of others.

[TruthBringer]

@aliali8 Gotta love the false assumptions. Never heard that one before. Sorry missy, I don't just throw away people I've been with for many years for the sake of getting with someone younger or them losing their beauty. You REEK of cognitive dissonance. And on top of that, you're projecting your own insecurities and bitterness to me. I's obvious as fuck. Sorry hun, not everyone is like yourself. 😂 So cry me a river.

[aliali8]

@TruthBringer so what? you're gonna lose your beauty too by the time you're 38, balding, gaining weight, aging skin. And still single.

Just wait till your young girlfriend turns 30, you would just dump her for your next girl who turned 18 , an hour ago.

[TruthBringer]

@aliali8 Nope, not going to dumb my girlfriend (and possibly the mother of my child who I'll be married to) for an 18 year old. The fact you think this is the type of person that I am pretty much exposes your ignorance and prejudice. Typical prejudice and arguments coming from a man-hater 😂

[aliali8]

@TruthBringer Your girlfriend will eventually find out how much of a bitter, angry, desperate hateful person you are right after she gets married. Once she sees how much you do not respect women, she will start considering a divorce. why do you think its usually women who initiate all the divorces in america? you marry the wrong guy and you realized it when its too late.

You never truly know who someone really is until you marry them.

[TruthBringer]

@aliali8 Awwhhh still crying I see. My girlfriend actually agrees with me and we have very similar views on life and dating. She recognizes that women in their 30s start to lose their value in the eyes of the sexual market and she wants to have kids before hitting 30. And I intend to give her that wish if our relationship keeps going strong as it is. But lovely to see you interested in my love life and try to throw shade at it. What was that you said? That secure people don't try to bully others? The irony in your comments is palpalble 😂

It's clear you can't stand the fact that a guy who you don't like for his views is having a wonderful love life. I know it is eating you up like the rest of the misandrists and Feminazis of GAG 😂😂

[aliali8]

@TruthBringer Its only a matter of time before you both get into an argument, then you start shitting on the entire female gender. When she is 40, married, with 3 kids, you both get into an argument. You start calling her an old bitch and about how she looks like crap. About how she's worth nothing because her beauty is gone. And that she can't divorce you because no other man would want her at her age.

Eventually your nasty , condescending attitude towards women will come out. We all know you are a very bitter person who does not respect women. Women hold absolutely no value to you without their beauty. Its only a matter of time before your hatred and disrespectfulness will come flying out.

[TruthBringer]

@aliali8 As I said, assumptions and butthurt all over the place. Sweetheart, if you’re trying to offend me, at least do a better job than my old drill-sergeants during Officer training. The fact you’re trying so hard to throw shade at my relationship says more about you. You’re actually entertaining. Fact remains: I’m in a healthy and happy relationship and you’re probably single. Keep the hate coming, girl. Always love how people tell on themselves and contradict themselves 😂😂

[TruthBringer]

@Avicenna I think we got a Nella over here 😂

[aliali8]

@TruthBringer Its kinda like your girlfriend coming on GAG saying that all poor or ugly men are useless. She has a boyfriend and appreciates him because he is handsome and rich. She comes on GAG daily to talk shit about men who are poor and ugly. She loves mocking and bullying poor, ugly guys. She has a very negative view on the entire male gender and thinks all men suck.

Guess what? the day that you lose your money and your looks, she will be out the door.

You can't ever trust a man who can't say anything good about women. One day she will only find out how much you do not respect women.

[aliali8]

@TruthBringer Who said I am single? I just recently started a relationship with a guy , just a few months ago. We are very much in love.

And why would you think just because you're "dating" a girlfriend, your relationship will last forever. She can break up with you anytime. I have seen 5 relationships come to an end.

[TruthBringer]

@aliali8 Hoenstly, didn't even bother read half your rant. Because that's all they are. Rants. And I'm happy for you that you're in a relationship. I wish you two the best and a long lasting one. And yes, there is no guarantee and I'm not worried about my relationship ending. I have no hard time attracting new females to my love. Been there done that. In the end, my girl is on the same line as me in terms of this topic. As many other GAG females are who I've encountered. You just got to learn to such it up, boo. Women in their 30s are less desirable than women in their 20s. That's just how it is.

[aliali8]

@TruthBringer One of the most important things I look for in a husband is RESPECT. Its extremely important to marry a man who respects women. Marrying a man who doesn't respect women , its only a matter of time before he starts disrespecting you. Especially if he LOVES shitting on older women, he will start shitting on you once you get old. Once the honeymoon or rainbow phase disappears over the years, you will start seeing who he truly is. All women want a man who loves them for who they are, not for beauty. Just the same way you don't want to marry a gold digger. Its that simple.

[TruthBringer]

@aliali8 Respect is given, not earned in entitlement. I respect anyone who deserves respect regardless of gender, ethnicity, sexual orientation and religion. And I respect women who are worthy of respect, not for the sake of them being women. I can smell your entitlement. I don't shit on older women, I recognize there are (toxic) certain patterns in behaviors that are more prevalent among these women. Doesn't mean I don't respect them as awhole. Like I said, your interpretations and way of thinking are flawed beyond measure. You can't come up with any intellectual argument other than manipulation tactics such as gas lighting, putting words in people's mouths and logical fallacies. Not everyone is hating and not everyone is out to hate. Which ironically you are the one to have shown all of that so far.

Grow up, missy.

[aliali8]

@TruthBringer Respect is earned, not given. So you're saying all women have not earned your respect? Older women have not earned your respect? Is that why you're so bitter and love shitting on women?

You need to keep in mind that these women on here, have done nothing wrong to you, and yet you just are obsessed with spewing negativity on women While promoting male superiority.
why would you hate on innocent people?
Just admit it, you just hate women in general.

[TruthBringer]

@aliali8 Un fucking believable. Gas lighting and twisting words all over this place. I usually don't block people but you're forcing me this time. No I didn't say all women have no earned it in a sense I don't respect them. You can still be neutral about someone. I can't respect someone who I don't know as a person. Doesn't mean I either hate them or respect them. The world isn't so black-white as you make it out to be.

These women have done nothing wrong with me and that's why I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST THEM, smarty pants. I'm simply saying there are certain risks that may be met with these women. Same goes with there are risks dating serial daters and serial cheaters. Same goes with dating ex convicts. Sake goes with dating drug dealers and mafia members. Same goes with dating fuck boys. I bet if I start talking smack about all kinds of men, you wouldn't bat an eye.

I don't hate women. That's your projection of your hate towards men in general. And if you didn't, you wouldn't be projecting it onto men who haven't thrown out hateful things about women in general. Last time I checked, we're discussing women in their 30s, not women in general. And if I hate women, I would have every women who has done me good in my life including my mom and my girlfriend. Take your dumb ass interpretations and shaming tactics elsehwere. We get it, you're a misandrists disguised as a white knight.

The only reason you accuse others of sexism is because you can't prove their points wrong and you simply hate what they say. The truth sounds like hate to people who hate to hear the truth. Enjoy choking on the block

[Avicenna]

@TruthBringer: that’s definitely Nella- same delusions, same communication style, same nastiness.

[TruthBringer]

@Avicenna Yeah started to have the feeling it was her. You can tell the account is new too. Another of her burn accounts. She is choking in my block list aswel now.

[Avicenna]

She’s stalking again.

[EternallyCorrect]

Lmao don’t even bother to argue with women about this. They’re running on pure emotion, zero logic.

[TruthBringer]

@EternallyCorrect This misandrist is a good example of why so many men choose to leave the dating scene. Just imagine having this nasty attitude and personality in your life. I cringe just from thinking about it. All they do is run the manipulation tactic machine just because happen to say something that offends their feelz.

[EternallyCorrect]

Almost all women will react in the same way. “You’re being mean, you hate women, you won’t get laid, no quality woman will want you, your girlfriend will leave you, you’re dangerous” etc.

They’ve been taught for the last few decades, maybe even the last few generations, that they’re the prize, just as she said. They’ll do whatever they can to attempt to convince men of that also. Not realising that it doesn’t really work because it’s not based on reality.

[OddBeMe]

Not sure why you were auto picked as MHO...

[TruthBringer]

@EternallyCorrect Nailed it! Gotta love when they start crying these things. The "prize" sure is trying to convince others hard that they are lesser than them. It's such an obvious way to try and damage control

[TruthBringer]

@OddBeMe Dunno, go ask the moderators if you've got a problem with that

[AFellowWeeb]

@aliali8 Girl, this guy speaks really unbiased actually. Is not our fault women can't understand biology.

[AFellowWeeb]

@Avicenna Who dafuk is nella?

[TruthBringer]

@AFellowWeeb Don't bother with this butthurt snowflake misandrist who can't do anything other than project her insecurities onto others while trying to gas light. It's clear that it hurts her head that I happen to be in a wonderful relationship while at the same time expose female nature which give answer to why there are so many men who choose women in their 20s over women in their 30s. If that were not to be the case, than OP wouldn't even post a question about this. Sadly for miss snowflake here, the truth doesn't care about her feelings.

[Avicenna]

Nella is what we believe her original account name is- it’s hard to tell which of her multiple accounts came first

[silvermoon84]

Our fertility declines at that age just like the pool of available men, but that doesn’t render us useless at all. It’s very possible for a woman in her thirties and beyond to find a decent man, but we have to accept that we’re pitching in an entirely different ballpark than we were a decade earlier and we have to adapt accordingly. Where we fail is thinking that at 35 we’re still entitled to the top ten percent of men (a. k. a the really hot guys) who would be happy to fuck us but won’t date us or marry us. Try looking at the market of quality men who might not be as hot but are looking to actually have a relationship with us. Or take into consideration that maybe our future doesn’t include a guy and maybe you’re just supposed to be single. Nothing wrong with that either.

I think the only men that consider us “useless” is the red pill community. As far as those men are concerned, they’ve probably been hurt by women in the past or seen it happen to other men (because some of us can be vile). That has nothing to do with all women. Don’t hate them or take it to heart, just wish them well and get on with your life.

[Ellie-V]

Sure when you have that mindset 😊 you should appreciate yourself a lot more but you won’t because you allow whiney losers on the internet who are bored with their lives dictate what you can and cannot do when there are plenty of successful older ladies being their natural gorgeous selves having the best sex of their life right now ☺️ A general preference only holds a little weight when the guys egging on for younger girls typically don’t even the means or the brain cells to keep up with them. You’re the only one holding yourself back ma’am. Fuck yourself or something. Anything. Just gain some confidence and sense of self cuz damn... it’s not your age that’s unattractive...👀

[Dongtai]

Honestly some people need to hear it this way. I agree with everything you said as well

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

Don't believe everything you read on forums. a lot of it is from bitter people, assumptions and what they read on forums and take as fact.
I agree as far as a man looking to start /have a family, he will most likely want a younger female. But to say women can't be attractive after 35 or attract a man after 35 is pure bullshit. My sister who is 6 years older than me, so about to be 54 is now dating/in a relationship with a man who was widowed years ago
And that's another point, not all men are looking to have kids/want to be a father so the fertility thing doesn't matter to those men... When it comes to looks, age can be just a number. I've seen beautiful women in their 40's-50's and women in their 20"s-30's that look like their in their 40's...

[Brainsbeforebeauty]

*they're not their 🙄

[OlderAndWiser]

I am 66 years old. Younger women are pretty and enjoyable to see, and they can be great fun, but. . . I woke up with a 57 year old woman this morning and I don't wonder about how she feels towards me because she doesn't play any games with hiding her feelings and I know how she feels. She is a devoted girlfriend, she wants to make me happy, and she takes care of herself physically. I am extremely happy with her.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. If these guys can't see the beauty of older women, it only means that they are blind.

[Jamie05rhs]

Congrats on the new relationship! :)

[Jamie05rhs]

by the way, you DO have a younger woman! ;) Just saying.

[OlderAndWiser]

@Jamie05rhs Thanks!

[Jamie05rhs]

You're welcome!

[Torari]

She is 9 years younger than you. That is almost a generational age gap (which is 15y).

You are dating a younger woman.

[Jamie05rhs]

@Torari I know, dude. I told him that.

[OlderAndWiser]

@Jamie05rhs @Torari Thanks to both of you dudes!

[Jamie05rhs]

You got it, pardner. :)

[ragequeen]

You're only useless if you make yourself that way. Usually women have kids around that age and depend less and less on men and male attention. Unless they are super bored. Like I said, my guess would be that women tend to focus more on the children at that age and maybe feel more comfortable about themselves. They no longer feel the need to chase men. So I guess it's true.

[Anonymous]

A woman is at her peak of attractiveness in her early 20s. You may have heard about the shop "Forever 21". There's a reason for the name.

A woman after 35 isn't useless at all. She simply isn't as attractive as she was at 21. I'd also say that if she's looking to have a family she's at a big disadvantage.

Everything which men find sexually attractive on women, especially physically, is about reproduction and fertility, whether or not they plan to ever have children. A young woman is more fertile than an older woman. After 30 fertility begins to decrease.

In fact the real reason make-up is attractive is because most of the time it not only makes the woman look younger but also mimics the physical symptoms of ovulation such as blushed cheeks, red lips.

A man who want a family will also take age into consideration for that reason, especially if he wants multiple children. This is why I said that if she's looking for a family she's at a disadvantage. Men think about it practically.

If the man meets a woman in her 20s, he can date her for a bit to see if they click, take his time, and decide to have a family with her if he wants. She's got a lot of years ahead of her where she'll be able to have healthy children most likely without complication.

It's a completely different story with the 35 year old. The closer she gets to 40 the less likely it is she'll have any children, and she doesn't have many fertile years left. Some women might have perfectly healthy babies at this time, but some will not. The older she gets the more likely that there will be complications. In this case things are often more rushed. He can't take his time anymore, nor can she.

We're all also looking to find the best person we can when single, and who we choose is often based on who we can attract. If you have the choice between the guy who works a minimum wage job vs the guy with a successful career, unless he's a prick, all else being equal, you're going to choose the second guy. If you have the choice between a good looking vs an average looking guy, all else being equal, you're choosing the better looking guy.

People can call it shallow if they like and come out with some Disney fairy-tale quotes about beauty being on the inside or whatever, but that's not reality. It's feel-good nonsense. Women do that too much, basing their ideas on feelings and personal bias (delusion) to avoid uncomfortable truths.

Anyway same goes with men. If the guy is attractive and successful, and he has the choice between a 35 year old and a 25 year old, all else being equal he's going for the younger woman. Some of the guys who say those things aren't that attractive and don't have the choice, and only say that because they're bitter. But the kinds of guys women want do so that's irrelevant.

So yeah when it comes to attractive, quality men those women are at a disadvantage. Any claim that quality men prefer older women, again, feeling > reality.

A wife and mother at 35 though in a good marriage? She's more valuable to her husband than the 21 year old because she's the mother of his children and she's been committed to him for years. I know some women say that men divorce wives all the time for younger women, but that's not what the statistics say at all.

[On_cloud_wine]

I’m only liking your comment to bookmark it for a 2nd read

[Orangesareyummy]

Yeah men don’t appreciate wives or mothers. It’s very clear based in what is said too.

[Paolaa988]

And... everything you said sums up why i hope to have a baby before 35. Its my desire to be a mom

[Orangesareyummy]

@Paolaa988 I already have one. I’d like to have one more I around 38. Give or take a year or two. It’s much easier to become pregnant in your 39s if you’ve already had a baby.

[Opinion Owner]

@Orangesareyummy

That’s not what I said at all, but you’re an idiot so I don’t expect you to understand.

[Orangesareyummy]

Did I fucking say you did? No I didn’t. men don’t appreciate family, wives or children. Not all but the vast majority. Heaven forbid you share anything either because god knows a healthy relationship doesn’t reauire sharing.

[Orangesareyummy]

Also very little is actually known about female fertility.
Women are having children into their 70s in some countries now. Betcha hate that don’t yah? Most guys anymore as soon as a woman turns 30 they ditch them she to their age. So telling me with a straight face how valuable they are to men is a bunch of bullshit. If it isn’t then call men out who are that way.
If yoh can’t do that then you’re just as bad as them.

[Orangesareyummy]

Even good women aren’t appreciated anymore.

[Opinion Owner]

@Orangesareyummy

There are piece of shit men, no doubt. I call them out all the time.

Your arguments are still retarded, because they’re all fuelled by emotion and feminist bias. Illogical.

We know a lot about fertility. The large majority of women are infertile in their 40s. They’re more at risk of complications and disorders in their children such as Down’s syndrome. That’s a fact which any medical professional will agree with. You can point to some rare exceptions but that doesn’t disprove the rule.

What’s more, women having kids at 70? I do hate that. Not because I hate women which is what you’re trying to imply, as if so say these things to attack women somehow rather than speak truth and reality, but why the hell would you have a kid at 70? The place with the highest average life expectancy is Hong Kong at 85. In all likelihood that woman will be dead before the poor kid reaches adulthood. That’s dysfunctional.

Show me the stats which show men abandoning their wives en masse when she reaches 30.

[Orangesareyummy]

I’m not a feminist at all. Yes there is fire in my blood because unlike you I actually give a shit about men and women. You don’t know shit. Maybe women just need to forget about men like you. There’s more to relationships than fertility. Of course you never talk about male fertility. Men can’t get it up as easily starting at 35. There fertility is cut in half by 40ish and they are more likely to have children with problems. Moral of the story-don’t dismiss older women because older men who do are no better.

[Orangesareyummy]

Also pig vomit- I know the number for the likely hood of Down syndrome too. It’s boils down to less than 1% higher chance if a woman is 38. If sex is all you’re interested in find a prostitute and leave people who actually look at people as more than just a bunch of holes to be the ones in long term relationships. Pot calling the kettle black.

[Orangesareyummy]

Forever 21 is closed.

[Opinion Owner]

@Orangesareyummy

You give a shit about women, and you’ve only got a fire in your blood for anything which you think is offensive to women. I do also care about women. Many women are sold a lie, they wait too late and end up miserable. @paolaa988 won’t.

I understand the real world, and the way men think. Men find younger women more attractive than older women, and those are the reasons. The more attractive the single man is, the more likely it is that he can find a young woman.

None of your emotional outbursts will change anything, nor any of the other shaming tactics some other women are trying to use e. g. “men only go for younger women because they’re easier to control and can’t handle a strong older woman”. Lol, no. That’s delusional.

Men becoming less fertile as they age is also true. Men having kids too old is also a bad idea. But sperm quality drops in men a little bit later than egg quality drops in women, and women select men not only based on fertility but on long term stability and on his ability to provide. Things men don’t look for in women because we’re not looking for a woman to take care of us while we carry her baby.

[Orangesareyummy]

No I’m a bitch to feminists often. Oh so now it’s just younger and not specific like 35. I would certainly think then that say a 45 year old man would find a 35 year old woman attractive. The more of a gap the more likely it’s going to fail.

[Orangesareyummy]

I’m in a committed relationship. You are defending men who would rather see women have their rights take away, who think women should die alone just because they age. Thoughtless and destructive just like they want. Yet you say I will die alone, which is pretty much agreeing with them. Men like them and men like yoh wanted a war- now you’ve got one.

[Opinion Owner]

@Orangesareyummy

Yeah, they would.

What do you mean I'm defending guys who want to take women's rights away and want women to die alone? How did you get that from me saying that men in general prefer younger women? You're making no sense, I assume because you're obsessed with the MGTOW faggots, which I'm not a part of.

[Orangesareyummy]

Because you parrot everything they say. It’s all the woman’s fault. Oh but men, they are perfect. Screw you.

[Orangesareyummy]

Not just MGTOW also Red Pill. I bet you hate single mom’s whose husbands died too, even though it wasn’t their fault. Next step you’ll be saying women over 35 aren’t attractive to anyone including men older than them. Shallow ass.

[Opinion Owner]

@Orangesareyummy

Jesus Christ... Not what I said either. You’re an idiot, goodbye.

[Orangesareyummy]

Oh no not you. I mean I’m hearing more and more hate from men about women and I’m a good woman. I don’t think good women deserve to be put down. In all likelihood we are good women because we understand what it’s like to be put down and try to fade it from our loved ones. But it is what it is. One side always has to hate the other.

[On_cloud_wine]

@Orangesareyummy He’s not saying that men think older women are useless or that they hate them, but women are more attractive, for a fact. They’re more likely to bare healthy babies with little complications conceiving and with pregnancy. Given their options when they’re single, they’ll take the more realistic approach. Of course, looks fade, but being the mother of his children will make you more valuable to him. You have to be a little selfish. Like. I don’t want kids and I’ve rejected guys or at least don’t lead them on when I find out they some day want to have kids. That wouldn’t be fair to him. But value.. there are so many definitions to the word when it comes to loving someone with the same goals as you.

[Orangesareyummy]

@On_cloud_wine he’s a blue anon... they are idiots who like to stir trouble. by the way the way princess, guy’s looks fade too since that’s all you care about. Bye.

[On_cloud_wine]

If a guy doesn’t want kids, he may just chose a younger woman because of attractiveness, plus they’re more approachable. Most older women have been through some stuff that makes them a bit more smart.. raising their standards, testing them.. a bit more jaded and/or cynical, so why would they chose that?

[On_cloud_wine]

I should have tried to make the level of attractiveness I’ve mentioned seem more insignificant. Rejection is going to happen. Don’t blame it on them. There’s someone out there for everyone, buttercup.

[aliali8]

Decent men date for an emotional connection, not sex. If you see a 45 yr old chasing 20 yr old girls, there is a very high likelihood that he's simply dating her for sex. It is highly unlikely a 45 yr old would be able to relate to a 25 yr old in any way, shape or form. Not saying its 100% impossible, but the chances of that happening is very slim. Usually anything beyond a 10/11 yr age difference, both persons would find it difficult to relate to each other.

On the internet, men love dreaming that 22 yr olds love dating 39 yr old men. But in reality, overwhelming majority of young women prefer to date men within 1-7 years apart.

[On_cloud_wine]

@aliali8 I totally agree but guys still hope for enough emotional connection that he claims her his and then moves away from the city so she doesn’t meet other men and think.. well actually.. I have my whole life ahead of me, I’m not ready to settle down, there might be someone better for me.

[0112358]

Most men find women in their early 20s, on average, the most physically attractive. This isn’t universal. If you are out of shape in your 20s and get in shape later or if your style was bad young and great later you might look better later.

That said:
- that’s not so different for men who physically peak late 20s, on average.
- there’s no “wall”. Just a long slide till we die.
- most men find women in early 20s most attractive. They find women their own age or just slightly younger the most compatible on average. When it comes to relationships most men balance these two objectives and date women somewhat younger with a gap that grows with age. Most men my age end up looking at late 30s women for example.
- the impact of age isn’t that large compared to individual differences between women. If you’re fit and decently styled and have a good personality at age 38 you clean up compared to a badly styled and overweight 20 year old.
- some data I've seen suggests the rating of the median woman doesn’t drop that much between 22 and 35. It’s more that the most beautiful early 20s women drop down to being just “fairly attractive” in their age.

[aliali8]

men Do hit the wall. A mans prime is his late 20s- early 30s. Usually after 33, thats when you start seeing men go balding or gaining weight or show noticeable signs of aging. Its not appealing at all. Women age but men don't? i don't think so.

[HeyMikeyLikesIt]

Honest answer is a fuck no* but with an * because it depends on personal situations and what each person is looking for and where they are at in life

Well its unfair but certain aspects are biologically true. If your just starting to date, in my case I’m about to be 35, and don’t have kids. I was married for 10 years and now divorced. With or without them having kids or not then I’d prefer to be with someone for a couple years before I got married, and then I’d like to be married for a couple years before I had kids, and that would put me in my early 40s and thats really at the edge of safe pregnancies for women.

So its not that they are useless, they don’t age as well as we do unfortunately and young girls in their 20’s love guys in their 30’s that are already established with a house and career, money, mature, drive, etc. and for a guy its perfect.

For a girl in their mid 30’s its WAY DIFFERENT!!! Guys normally don’t date women too much older than them, and women don’t want to date immature 21 year olds that aren’t ready to settle down. Most people in their 30’s are already married or in serious relationships so they really don’t have a lot of options.

While this tendency is changing, its not changing very fast, and now you have divorce rates up so lots of single people in all ages, so its a whole spectrum of crap out there to choose from, and unfortunately its just a lot slimmer market for women

[JackSmy]

Why do you believe this total CRAP, and LIES?
A woman doesn't really hit her sexual prime, her most sensual, erotic self, until her mid, to late 30's! Some of the best I have even known were in their 40's and even 50's!
When you are young, you hardly know anything, and believe all the lies, about younger women being so arousing, and virgins, so wonderful! BULLSHIT!!
The BEST EVER, was a 52 year old "Cougar" and I loved every second of her, and not just intimately! She liked certain foods, and art, and we had a lot of times together, just enjoying being together, but the SEX, OMG!!!

[Gafgorkion]

99% of the older men who exclusively chase after much younger women are actually just very immature men who couldn't get a woman their own age even if they wanted. A woman their own age wouldn't put up with their immature shit, so they have to go after the younger women who match their immaturity.

I'm not saying there is anything wrong with dating much younger, but you shouldn't exclusively date people who are much younger. 40+ year old men who refuse to date anyone over 25 have major issues with maturity and such.

[rjroy3]

Worthless? No.

It's more about saying, women past their 30s often fit into certain negative common traits. Like I've always found older women attractive. Still find several women in their 40s attractive.

That said. On average, women in their 40s tend to have let themselves go in more ways than one that makes them unappealing.

For that reason most guys will tend to go for younger girls because on average younger women are holding it together better whether it be better habits, better genetics or just time hasn't hit them yet.

Just take care of yourself and you won't fall prey to this statistic. Do nothing and you'll be one of the women guys are talking about who they avoid.

[rjroy3]

I'm currently seeing a couple women in their 30s. The oldest being 36

[MountAverage]

These "men" on these forums are incels. Most of them have never even been with a woman before, nor do they know how to talk to them. There's no other species on the planet with as little knowledge and understanding of women as incels.
And I can guarantee the moment a woman 35+ or even older gave them even the slightest attention, they'd jump at her and beg her to marry them or something. And she wouldn't even need to be good looking.

So, why on Earth would you care what these losers have to say about women?

[KrakenAttackin]

Not useless but men do wonder "what's wrong with her" if you are 35+ and never married. If you are even remotely attractive than being 35+ and single says;

1) You have wildly unrealistic expectations of men and none have met your absurd RomCom standards.

2) You have been cock carouseling and have a high mileage pooty, now you want to find a simp to hate and torture, but pay for everything.

3). You have mental issues that have driven every man away from you.

Maybe you are not "useless" but you are going to have to work very hard to dispel the above list.

[yoloswag321]

I laughed at this

[KrakenAttackin]

@yoloswag321 Says the cock carouseling 22 year old.

[yoloswag321]

I carousel on one cock

[TruthBringer]

@KrakenAttackin Nailed it!

[yoloswag321]

The angry incel energy is high

[KrakenAttackin]

@yoloswag321 There it is "incel" , next you will call me "racist". You need new material.

[KrakenAttackin]

@yoloswag321 you carousel one cock at a time.

[yoloswag321]

Why would I call you racist lol that has nothing to do with what I said. Weird of you to assume a stranger on the internet sleeps around when you know nothing about me personally except my age. You must be real smart and know everything.

[TruthBringer]

@yoloswag321 Go take your loose pussy energy elsewhere. And don't forget to take your unintellectual comments with you.

[yoloswag321]

So someone makes a generalization about me based off nothing I said only my age and i make an assumption about a guy based off things he has actually said and im unintellectual? Yeah okay. Bitterness will never be something that will get girls to stop rejecting you.

[TruthBringer]

@yoloswag321 Because western women are notorious to sleep around. So it's easy to assume you're dealing with such a woman. GAG is bursting with these type of women aswel. Pointing to exceptions to the rule, doesn't disprove the rule itself.

[TruthBringer]

@yoloswag321 I called you unintellectual because you come with the same old and unorignal shaming tactics like "incel". Something feminazis usually do. And you've not proven anything else really.

[yoloswag321]

So someone assumes im a whore based off my age but when I call someone an incel you both got your panties in a twist? Im not even a feminist but i knew it was highly likely to piss someone off lol I guess it worked.

[yoloswag321]

Okay then and its not just women who sleep around i know a lot of men who sleep around so you can just call it western culture.

[TruthBringer]

@yoloswag321 Two wrongs don't make a right sweetheart.

[yoloswag321]

Sure squirt

[TruthBringer]

@yoloswag321 Funny girl

[Jamie05rhs]

I have to step in and defend @yoloswag321 here. If she says she carousels on one cock, then she carousels on one cock. You have to take her word for it.

[TruthBringer]

@Jamie05rhs Yeah we got to take her word for it indeed. Guess we should take her words whenever she calls others "incel" 😂

[yoloswag321]

"I want to get chocolate wasted" is your altime favorite movie quote out of thousands of movies in the world and thats it? You probably get no poom poom

[Jamie05rhs]

@yoloswag321 Why are you picking on me lol? I'm on your side!

[TruthBringer]

@Jamie05rhs PFFF goes to show you're defending someone not worth defending lmfao

[yoloswag321]

Just s_ck eachother off already

[Jamie05rhs]

Wow. I was wrong. My apologies to @TruthBringer and @KrakenAttackin.

[TruthBringer]

@Jamie05rhs No worries mate, she is only showing why she is not someone to take seriously.

[KrakenAttackin]

@Jamie05rhs It's all good. Just live and learn when it comes to modern women.

[yoloswag321]

Lol such words of wisdom you really should be taken seriously. Women bad men good.

[Orangesareyummy]

See I’m 30 and I was married. Sorry I’m not going to rush into another marriage though. I’m going to take my time and find someone compatible. So being smart and cautious makes me mentally ill? That’s stupid.

[AFellowWeeb]

4) All of the above

[AFellowWeeb]

@Jamie05rhs Bro, her name is ''yoloSwag'' in 2021

[ZackBan]

I think that applied to previous generations sure but as the millennials push thirty i think it will change a but now.
Millenials think completely different from the ones before them and that's why the world is changing the way it is now. And millenials like older women or even similar aged ones, so while the previous generations believe that a wife needs to be younger because women age faster which turned most 30 to 50 year olds into practically pedophiles i think this batch is more likely not to care and take person for their value not age.

[aliali8]

most women get married in their 30s nowadays. people are marrying later and later.

[ZackBan]

True. And honestly I don't mind it, what's the point of settling into the endless routine of married life too early. You gotta see the world a bit first get enough adventure so you'll have stories to tell your kids

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

The guys who say that are the sexuality frustrated who live in a fantasy world.
They want to believe they will be able to get young girls once they are over that age.
And they also want to believe that the women who rejected the will be rejected one day.
Both things are nonsense and their way to deal with their own frustrations.

[bobalife]

Yassss 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[aliali8]

thats very true. guys on here like believing they get hotter as they approach 45

[bobalife]

@aliali8 savageee 😂 but kinda true... it’s like having double standards if they’re not working on themselves to be the best versions of themselves yet give negative criticisms unfortunately

[ThisIsMyOpinion]

Let them believe whatever they want. Reality will hit eventually.

[MzAsh]

No. Only to useless men maybe. Everyone ages and there are certain pros and cons to that. However, female aging is commonly used as a revenge fantasy. I’ve got a short article on that: https://damesthatknow.com/why-some-men-are-so-infatuated-with-women-hitting-the-wall/

[cth96190]

In reproductive terms, a female past the age of 35 is unlikely to conceive and is more likely to have problems.
Hence, a female of that age is a poor choice as a mate.
That is the biological reality, whether some women like it or not.
That is why I say that women should marry and have babies young, then go to university and pursue the role of a wage slave... if that is the life that they want.
Going to university straight after year 12, creating a student debt, then trying to build a career takes a woman past the ideal window for children.
That is why Feminists/Communists advocate it. They want women to be alone, childless, miserable and drinking boxed wine, while surrounded by cats.

[aliali8]

There will always be men chasing younger women. A 40 yr old man would gladly seek a 35 yr old woman.

[cth96190]

@aliali8
Not if that 40-year-old man wants children and/or has the sexual market value to hold the interest of a younger woman.
In terms of having children, the party is over at 35.
That is reproductive biology.

[aliali8]

when you're 40 yr old guy, you're out of your prime. If you're balding, gaining weight, wrinkles start becoming noticeable, crappy skin, you're not going to appeal to 25 yr old women. Just because you want a 25 yr old, it doesn't mean they want you. Guys without options can't afford to be picky. So you're gonna have to take the 36 yr old woman because thats the best you're gonna get

[cth96190]

@aliali8
That is what the 35-year-old former carousel riders tell themselves.
They are wrong.
To quote Tom Leykis (roughly): a man will have the youngest, thinest, best-looking woman he can afford.

[aliali8]

so what? jennifer aniston still looks hot for her age. she's well over 35.

[Orangesareyummy]

Wome. Over 35 are unlikely to conceive? That is literally the stupidest thing I’ve heard. Sure men and women’s fertility decreases with age. However, I know a lot of women who had no issues getting pregnant in their mid to late 30s. Even some nice their 40s.

[cth96190]

@Orangesareyummy
You should read published science on human reproductive biology, not listen to the fantasies spouted by Feminists.
It is a fact that female fertility tapers of rapidly after age 35 and that the rate of genetic problems, especially Down Syndrome, increases enormously after age 35.
Male fertility is not affected significantly by age. A man of 90 can still sire children, without problems.

[Orangesareyummy]

Okay I’m not even going to waste my time with this one. There is less than a 1% higher chance of autism. Once a man turns 33 his erections begin to be less potent. By 35, he starts to go bald. By 40 his fertility is diminished and he is more likely to father
Children with mental instabilities. It has nothing to do with feminism. In fact, I’d appreciate it if you stop parroting nitwits who blame everything on feminism just because you don’t like it. I think it’s time for you to face that as people age in general men and women fertility does decrease. Many of these studies conducted do not take into consideration of a woman has been on birth control for at least 4 consecutive years of their life. If they have it will extend their fertility because while in the pill an egg is not dropped as it normally would be. That may be why we are seeing women’s fertility extended too. So again, maybe yoh should look at both sexes and fertility, not just what your MGTOW/Red Pill losers tell you.

[Orangesareyummy]

Oh wait you’re 63 and single 😂😂😂big surprise.

[Orangesareyummy]

@aliali8 this dude is 63 and single can you believe that? He’s had plenty of time to become vengeful towards women. 35 year olds are babies compared to him. Bye bye boomer.

[aliali8]

@cth96190 Donald trump's son baron is autistic. People have been speculating since 2016, including his son's weird behavior during the inauguration and his slumped walking. Donald had him when he was 59. Melania was 35. Likely it was Donald's age.

[cth96190]

@Orangesareyummy
You are an example of why men go MGTOW.

[Orangesareyummy]

No ignorance and bitterness is why. It’s always funny to see old men complaining about women too. Stay alone. You’re inferior.

[cth96190]

@Orangesareyummy
Here is a dose of reality.
www.ivf.com.au/.../effect-on-age

[Orangesareyummy]

@aliali8 yeah this guy doesn’t want to admit men age as well. He doesn’t want to face that fertility and age effect men as well. Older men are much more likely to have children with problems. Women too but men should really wake up. Notice he said a man will have as young of a wife as he can afford? We this crusty old fart is 63 and single. Guess he can’t afford a decent woman. Even if he could, he doesn’t value them. Therefore, he doesn’t deserve them.

[cth96190]

@aliali8
Baron Trump's autism was caused by a vaccine, not the age of this father.

[Orangesareyummy]

You didn’t read what I said. I’m sorry you’re sad you can’t hurt me because that’s really all you want to do. Those stats are outdated and also do not take contraception use into account.

[Jamie05rhs]

@cth96190 Tom Lichenfungus is a douche. That guy is about the worst example you could ever choose to take advice from.

[aliali8]

@cth96190 Research has shown that older fathers give their kids an increased risk of schizophrenia and autism.

Multiple epidemiological studies suggest a relationship between advanced paternal age (APA) at conception and adverse neurodevelopmental outcomes in offspring, particularly with regard to increased risk for autism and schizophrenia.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5299396/

[Orangesareyummy]

Something else you don’t take into consideration is that the vast majority of women 35-40 will conceive within 12-24 cycles. So it just takes longer.

[aliali8]

Researchers found it takes up to five times as long for a man over 45 to get a woman pregnant than if he was under 25. Although the impact of age on a woman's fertility has been well-studied, experts say this is the first time such a strong association has been found between age and male fertility in the time it takes to conceive a child.

www.webmd.com/.../male-biological-clock-ticking-too

[cth96190]

@Jamie05rhs
Tom Lykis has been successful in every aspect of his life, has a wealth of experience and gives good advice for the real world.
That he offends your leftist ideology does not make his advice incorrect.

[aliali8]

med.stanford.edu/.../...increased-birth-risks.html

The data suggested that once a dad hits age 35, there’s a slight increase in birth risks overall — with every year that a man ages, he accumulates on average two new mutations in the DNA of his sperm — but birth risks for infants born to fathers of the subsequent age tier showed sharper increases.

[Orangesareyummy]

@aliali8 for some reason I cannot post links? Well anyways a 19 year old has a 25% of conception per cycle. A 39 year old has a 10% chance. That’s only 15% less. With that said, the majority of 39 year olds who are trying to conceive will do so within 7-8 cycles.

[Jamie05rhs]

@cth96190 He's a misogynist creep. He's no one to be admired.

[Orangesareyummy]

Vaccines don’t cause autism. Oh my god that was disproved YEARS ago.

[cth96190]

@Orangesareyummy
Vaccines DO cause autism.
See:
www.independent.co.uk/.../...d-autism-7858596.html
www.infowars.com/.../
Why do you think that the bought-and-paid-for politicians gave vaccine makers legal immunity?

[Orangesareyummy]

You’re sending very outdated stats. Sorry loser, time to own up that men are not invincible. Time to own up that you are just a bitter old man. Here are some not so fly by night facts and figures.
www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/autism.html

[Orangesareyummy]

Here’s some more bitter old man.
www.publichealth.org/.../

[Orangesareyummy]

Here are stats about age and fertility for women.
www.countdowntopregnancy.com/.../...calculator.php

[Orangesareyummy]

Also the MGTOW/Red Pill thing is plummeting in popularity. You likely don’t even know what left wing is either as you aren’t American. Be alone. Stay alone.

[Orangesareyummy]

Tom Leykis isn’t that rich and looks like a loser. In fact, considering who he is competing with in entertainment, he’s one step above trailer trash.

[cth96190]

@Orangesareyummy
Here is something that may shock you: the government lies.
Ask the old black people of Tuskegee.
The government lies especially to protect the interests of transnational pharmaceutical companies that are generous donors to election campaigns.
Medical journals also lie, mainly by omission.
There are six publishers of medical journals (world wide), all of which depend upon advertising from pharmaceutical companies to survive.
The same money that owns the pharmaceutical companies has also acquired interests in the publishers of the medical journals.
How likely is it that such journals will publish a paper that presents a case against vaccines?
If you want to believe that government and big pharma are telling you the truth and that you think that it is safe to be injected with what they create, go ahead. I will send flowers.
Do not, however, attempt to force needles into the bodies of other people.
That will be resisted in the most forceful way possible.
I find it odd that a lefty Feminist such as yourself should believe and trust both government and transnational corporations, while a goose-stepping ultra rightist such as myself can see the government and corporations for the liars and murderers that they are.

[Orangesareyummy]

Yeah okay bye old man. Keep telling yourself that everyone is wrong but you. Id believe the CDC before I’d believe a piece of trash like you. Maybe the stats you sent are faulty. Since you care so much about money guaranteed not nearly as much money, time and effort went into the garbage you sent as what I sent. Have fun being alone. Most people don’t deserve to be. You on the other hand definitely deserve to be alone. Work on yourself before you point the finger and try to hurt everyone else. Weak

[aliali8]

@cth96190 do you really think most 25 yr olds would want to have kids with a 45 yr old man, when she can get hotter guys 30 years old?

[cth96190]

@aliali8
The man’s desirability in the mind of the woman would be determined by his money/power/status.

[aliali8]

@cth96190 Women like men who are 3 years older than them, on average. Not 13 years older.

www.psychologytoday.com/.../what-we-know-about-age-gaps-in-dating-love-and-marriage

Empirical evidence has also accumulated in support of women's preferences for older men, and as you might expect, the data often overlap with those data supporting men's preferences. As this sample of Conway-Beam and Buss's (2019) review suggests:

Cross-culturally, women report wanting partners who are (on average) 3.5 years older than them.
In online dating, women make the first contact with older men at a greater than rate they do younger men.
Marriage records show that women are marrying men who are older than they are by about 3 years.

[Orangesareyummy]

Wrong again. In fact, taking that advice leads to abusive relationships. DO NOT MARRY A MAN FOR HIS MONEY.

[aliali8]

@Orangesareyummy you might not know this but in marriages where the woman marries for money, the husband is usually marries for sex too. Its where the husband is 46 and the wife is 20. One of the partners usually end up cheating on the other. The husabnd doesn't respect the wife enough so he cheats. The wife doesn't find her husband to be physically attractive enough so she cheats with a hotter younger man. And frequently these marriages end up being abusive or even deadly. Its pretty common to see gold digger wives being abused or murdered by their husbands. There is no "love" in these marriages. Just an exchange of sex and money.

[Orangesareyummy]

@aliali8 yes I understand.

[bobalife]

Oh no, don't think that way! Aging is beautiful in my opinion. I feel like women have so much more to offer and be confident about as they're getting older. I don't really appreciate how some people can make a woman's age an issue or build unnecessary insecurity when it should be something to embrace.. but we all do still have preferences and its respectable. I just turned 30 a few months ago, and I felt pretty damn amazing much more than most of my 20s for sure LOL.

[MysteriousDarkness]

@bobalife
You look fabulous as you are.

[bobalife]

@MysteriousDarkness hehe you’re sweet, thank you!😘

[MysteriousDarkness]

@bobalife
Just telling it as I see it.

[Anonymous]

I heard men move down the dominance hierarchy when choosing a partner and women move up the hierarchy.
A man might feel intimidated by a woman too old cause usually if she is that late she either focused on her career or has children already. Its not necessarily her age, just what young ones have to offer than older ones don't. If you were a good looking old man, why would you go for an older woman when a younger woman finds you attractive and has no children of her own.

[aliali8]

No it’s what men who can’t get any women or hate women who say that stuff. My mother gave birth to me at 37 and my brother at 40. My dad married her at 36. There are definitely men out there who aren’t perverts and prefer to date women closer to their own age

[Dongtai]

Don’t pay attention to those guys. They’re bitter about not being able to get laid and spend the last of their days talking trash on forums. There is no point where a woman is ever useless in her lifetime. My mother is in her 40’s and her love makes a difference in my life even today.


Do not listen to guys who talk down to older women. They’re morons.

[Ellie-V]

💯 basically what I said... but a lot more kind hearted

[Rei02]

That's not true. Those men who are saying it is because they are looking now for future mothers who can bear them children. In their youth, they didn't want to tie the knot, they preferred moving around without feeling the invisible chain of the family and responsibility in front of society, now that they are older and near the 40s, they feel the need to form a family before it is too late, a women with their similar age

[Rei02]

they see women with their similar age near the menopause, so imagine how long it has took them to mature and decide to settle down.

[Paolaa988]

Its not necessarily all about the age if a person cares for themselves.. I can see kind of about the children part but look at Katy Perry! She had a healthy baby at almost 35 i think and she looks good. Its so double standard because half the older men aren't that good looking. Im not trying to be sexist or anything but people need to face the music here and stop being so picky. An older woman is worthy of love just like a 22 year old like me and such.

[MrOracle]

You can always point out the 1% who are exempt from these rules. Katy Perry is a beautiful rich celebrity. She has work-out coaches, dieticians, hair & makeup artists, stylists, and the money to afford any clothes, makeup, etc. she wants. Of course she is an exception.

This applies to "normal" people, not the 1% at the top.

[SphynxUK]

I do hope I’m not useless! I’ll be 48 this year lol
My partner is 15yrs younger. He has dated women of all ages.
I guess we clicked, so age wasn’t such a big deal. We don’t look much different in age anyway, so no one notices. (Wouldn’t care if they did).
Also, he doesn’t want children and I’m certainly not having any more, so everyone’s happy.

[hi_it_is_me123]

Lool ugly bastards in their 30s/40s on gag trashtalk 30 years old women although they look like grandma. Not even a fucking grandma want such shallow incels. And guys who try to explain it with fertility are are just trying to find a bullshit excuse for their shallowness. If all young women were infertile and only old women were fertile, these fucktards still go for younger women. So nah. I also personally find men in their early 20s more attractive since many men after 29 loose their hair or getgrey hair /became fatter/ get wringles etc. I also think it is disgusting when men in their 30s or older want 18-21 years old girls since women's brain develope till their middle 20s. This is why i treat any man who is like 30 like shit because they dont deserve better. For me these guys have pedo tendencies. So i think people between 18-24 should date someone around their age.

[hi_it_is_me123]

Also they wonder why women file a divorce when they pressure fucking teenagers aka 18-25 yeaes old to marry. Like wtf you except

[worldscolide]

I wouldn't go with useless. But women are more fertile younger. By the time a woman hits 35 most of her eggs are gone. By the time she hits 40 something like 97% are gone. So the guys that go after younger women are attracted to that. And contrary to what one of the idiot pinks thinks, its not because they predatory. its literally fertility.

Take me for instance, I was 29 when i met my wife, She was almost 21 at the time. When i met her, there was no intention of marrying because i thought it wouldn't be possible. She was the one that chose to go that route with me, not me, at least not until i had issues with my wisdom teeth that almost killed me, she was the only one that visited me in the hospital, not my family or my friends. Women that think that an age gap like mine somehow is predatory are just straight up stupid and cannot back their statements with fact.

[tiptoe98]

How is 21 and 29 predatory?

[worldscolide]

@tiptoe98 the user LíttleMíss_Curíous would disagree with that. I've been called a pedophile because my wife is 9 years younger than me.

[tiptoe98]

What the... ignore them, if it worked for you then your all good different people have age limits on dating but predatory is a bit of stretch its not like your double or triple her age

[worldscolide]

@tiptoe98 Yeah thats just creepy, I dont want to be someones dad lol, i mean i do but i dont want to be with someone where i would be old enough to be her dad or her grandfather.. eww.

[tiptoe98]

Haha same people with partners older than their parents or could give birth to them creep me out tbf

[worldscolide]

@tiptoe98 yeah eww

[Floppy2112]

Not to me! Of course, I tend to assume at that age one is divorced and has a child or two. Women over 35 are not desirable to men who want families.
Men and women who are both a little older and wiser can be good companionship to one another, when things like family and passing the seed isn't the priority.

So, if a woman has focused on her career and made something of herself and then decides she wants to be a wife and have a family at 35, she's in trouble. If she's 35 has children, never been married and now wants to start a 'real' family, she's in even deeper doo doo. But if she is content to just have a partner to share life with, she should be ok.

So it really depends on what women want, not what men want.

[Anonymous]

Men who think this are idiots.

While it's true that fertility is something to start thinking about at that age with menopause inching closer, it doesn't mean it's over if you want babies. I mean, my mom had me when she was in her late 30s. She didn't want a kid until she was settled in her career.

[RawIronhide]

That's a bunch of b. s. from shallow dumb dudes. Yeah it's true that men generally prefer younger women and women tend to prefer older men. That's just a statistic though. I and many others would be thrilled if an attractive older women took an intrest in me. It's not true women are desirable at all ages it just depends on who you ask.

[RawIronhide]

Just to clearify I find women over 30 attractive often though I like women of all ages. I like stretch marks and wrinkles sometimes too it doesn't bother me.

[Jamie05rhs]

No, they're not useless.

And you're not undesirable if you're 35. You're only undesirable if you've been spending the years of the ages 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, and 34 ... being a slut. You can't do that and then expect a good man to want to marry you.

[invalid1]

I swear to you anynmous, whoever you are.
There is a lady at work I know. I am 27, I reckon she's something like 35 can't be less. But I have massive crush on her. Secretly. She has a cute baby face, and a smile that is wow. And she's quite and polite. And I am very sure many guys my age can relate to similar stuff. So from this sense I would honestly say no, not useless at all if it were up to us. But totally it is not up to us. Many times we choose partners based on social shit.

[Skankhunt]

No, they are not. WOmen above the age of 35 are still valueable and beautiful. In fact, older women are more attractive than younger women. Women think "the younger I am, the prettier I am", but that's not true.

Attractiveness is ont only based on looks, but also you rpersonality, attitude and life experience.

[lilyanony1]

As a woman and one who just turned 30 I'm no longer thinking of myself as meeting any man without baggage. Being from the black community and dark skinned. My chances of finding love might be incredibly slim the older I get.
But that's if I listen to all this racist crap.. It is what it is. If it's on the cards to find love then I will.
I just hope that whoever I meet, he's ready to settle down and mature enough to understand what it involves being in a long term relationship.

[Anonymous]

Useless? No, not at all.

Less attractive and desirable? Definitely.

Although most of them do not recognize it at the time, and typically take it for granted, women own the dating game when they are in their teens and twenties. They hold all the cards during that time in their lives. Beginning around age 30, the tables turn and the advantage shifts to men, and that continues for the remainder of men's and women's lives.

Wise women should take advantage of their 20 and find a good mate to spend their lives with, because later in life they do not have near the chances of success. Unfortunately, women today are given a very different message.

[Anonymous]

I doubt any man would turn down Jessica Biel and she's over 35. She looks really young to say she's almost 40. She pulled off playing early 20s well in the Sinner.

Hell I doubt many would turn down Salma Hayek and she's 54 but still looks amazing.

It's all about how you carry your age. I've seen some 20 somethings look older than their mother.

[Vetis]

Id rather be with any young fit girl than the 39 year old botox queen you mentioned.

[TruthBringer]

@Vetis preach it bro!

[Still-alive]

Well of course celebrities will still look attractive. They have the money to stay good looking with surgery and such. They are an exception not the standard

[TruthBringer]

@Still-alive 100% correct. Gotta love how they think celebrities (who often go under the knife) represent the average woman. This is obvious wishful thinking and damage control on their end.

[Opinion Owner]

I know women over 35 irl who look 10-15 years younger than what they actually are.

[Still-alive]

How many?

[Opinion Owner]

5... one of my friends is 36 but looks 26. This woman at my job is late 40s but looks late 20s. My best friend's girl just turned 35 but looks like she's in her mid 20s. One of my mom's friends looks early 30s but is late 40s. My mom looks late 30s and she's in her mid 50s. Oh bonus one of my professors was late 30s but she looked late 20s. The average woman over 35 doesn't look their age at all. They usually look 5 to 10 years younger (w/o makeup). So no I don't think women over 35 are useless if we're talking about dating. And yes women are usually the most attractive in their late teens/early 20s but there are some who get better with age. Some who don't blossom until 30.

[Still-alive]

5 people doesn’t make the average woman. I don’t think they are useless but you’re just kidding yourself if you think most woman over 35 aren’t losing their looks badly unless they are rich or otherwise well off.

[Opinion Owner]

If you eat right, workout, moisturize your skin often, drink lots of water, don't smoke or drink and don't enter stressful situations often then you can look really young for a long period of time especially if you have good genes. All these women I listed do that (well except for my professor I'm not sure what she does but I know she was vegan and working out).

[Still-alive]

Just anecdotal evidence. I mean good for those women but unless you produce some empirical data I’m not likely to change my mind here.

[Vetis]

They might look 10 years younger than they are. But there are millions of women who actually are 10 years younger than her out there.

[Vetis]

Time is the enemy. Go to battle with it, before it kills you.

[TruthBringer]

@Anonymous Like @still-aliveI has said, you're just giving anecdotal evidence. love how people always think that the people they "know" represent the majority of the population or the group we specifically talk about. If it were that simple, then you wouldn't even need to point it out since discussions wouldn't even take place, to begin with. Fact remains, women in their 30s are entering a phase where they are losing their looks and their fertility starts to drop. Doesn't mean they are ugly or infertily, it means they are starting or are about to start. This is why so many women around that age who are still unmarried or at least have no kids are more desperate to settle down compared to that 20 year old who still has a lot of time.

[TemplarKnight]

Could have been worded better cause its obviously going to trigger all the feminists, i think what you meant to ask was, are women over 35 less attractive to men. In many ways yes, they are less likely to conceive, their looks have faded, and studies show single unmarried women 30+ have lower levels of happiness than married ones with families.

[kkirk4442]

There are many millions of married men who have no intention of trading in their over 35 year old wives. The happen to love their wives, and find them useful for many things. Including having a loving relationship with.

[WindAtMyBack]

Depends on your point of view. To some of us, 35 is in the hot young chick range. But even when I was 20, over 35 was not over the hill. Some women have not even reached their prime by that age.

35 is a bit too young for me. Again, it depends on your point of view. I have two neighbor women in their 60s who are engaged. I'm sure their fiances don't think they are useless. Nor do I.

[ohshee]

All girls are hot girls that are younger are some times more mature. But women in there 30 and 40s even 50s they are in there prime it really just depend on how active and motivated in life they are so to be honest there are to 25 year old girls I would pick over older women. But at the same time there are older women I would pick over younger women it's really who you are. As a person

[Lionman95]

No women aren´t useless because nobody is useless. It depends for what. Younger women are sexually more attractive so guys are talking about them more online. Older women are more settled down and reasonable.
Don´t judge by what you read online, because most times we guys think less about write down.

[Orangesareyummy]

The pen is mightier than the sword.

[Amaoctober]

Like i said, depends upon oneself. You opinion is based on sex and looks, but others that can't be the case.

[JPrez]

Those guys are overstating things and making a broad assumption. While the language is harsh, the point they're making is that women have a peak high value with looks and career making them highly desirable to men from 20-30. Then typically the looks "may" start to go even though they have a great career and so their value in the eyes of some men diminishes. Not all women have this happen to them so you could look around and draw a different conclusion.

[Orangesareyummy]

No of your with a company long enough or get higher oay when you move- yoh are not at your peak salary as a woman by 30. Also since you think women are less valuable after 30 I think you’re inadequate. You’re 50? Yeah you really should be 25 again. Otherwise, you are inadequate. Don’t dis older women. They are lovely, too. Most guys over 45 are inadequate looks wise as apposed to a 23 year old guy. Young guys like that can get it up much better too. Much harder too. Yohh in want me to keep going?

[JPrez]

Woah, slow down there. I’m just telling you what they’re saying - I didn’t say it. Read first before making assumptions.

[Orangesareyummy]

In fact, most guys over 35 are too.

[JPrez]

R E A D what I said.

[JPrez]

Another wack job feminist flying around on her broom.

[Amaoctober]

Big no. Besides life begins at 40, this includes women. A person is never useless, even in death you get some credits. Never heard of people saying, why can't you be like the way your brother or sister was?
You are the only person who can define what you relationship is and if you are getting what intended in your relationship. The woman i can call useless to me can definitely do wonders for you.

[Honesttguy]

Not useless, but its about sexual market value. Some women overly obese have 0 sex value even before 30ies, but as generally people tend to lose shape after 30ies for sure, and womens sex value is mostly based on her body looks. So if u still look 25 tight and fresh even tho u 40 u would still have sexual value on market. Thats how it works. Everything else is just preference.

[Orangesareyummy]

Let’s put men’s sexual value on the table then, shall we? Your looks start to fade at 35 too. You also start becoming less and less fertile and less and less potent. Now if men and women take care of themselves they can have kids into their 70s. There are several women who are anymore too. They are all mainly foreign though not American. Diet maybe?

[Honesttguy]

@Orangesareyummy im not saying guys are doing any better on sexual value market most of guys are just low and even disgusting. But as for topic guys are programmed to seek youth and fertility, its not even a choice for us. I literally as a guy have to use so much energy and concious focus not to look at hot women body, its actually painful mentally. If i just relax and let myself flow with natural intinct then i want to look at nice booty and enjoy it. But we get shamed for it, so yea it is what it is, people eat to deal with pain in life. can't blame them

[Orangesareyummy]

I think some men would to date a nice woman, despite her age?

[Orangesareyummy]

That’s not what you said originally. All you did was focus on women.

[Orangesareyummy]

Oh yes nothing sexier than an old crusty 45 year old naked guy. Haha! Who do you think you’re kidding.

[Honesttguy]

@Orangesareyummy some men would date women despite her age question. Well there are many hungry, desperate and lonely guys so yes, yes they would.

[Honesttguy]

@Orangesareyummy what i said originally. M? Is there something wrong with what i said originally?

[Anonymous]

Women can get offended and lie to themselves all they like, but single men will always prefer younger women. You can see it in almost all of the men's replies.

The wise decision for a woman is not to piss around through their entire 20s dating fucktards and thinking they have all the time in the world. Any woman who does that thinking that they're getting one over on men is really cutting her nose off to spite her face.

[Anonymous]

No they aren't useless and some are very attractive but the reality is that between 16 and 20 girls have an enormous edge in the dating world. Men never get that high even at their peak (which comes later).

Some girls start to lose their appeal right away and others lose it a little later but the reality is that girls on average peak in the time frame and on average they are less desirable (overall) to men.

There will always be a small amount of men who find 50 year old women hot and there will always be a small percent of 50 year old women who actually are hot but overall girls peak much earlier. Men are at a disadvantage until their late twenties and men as a group peak from 30 -35 and then the start to decline but the decline much more slowly than when females decline. Its just a fact of nature but there are always people who break free from those stereotypes and look good most of their lives.

[Orangesareyummy]

I think men have it better than they say and are completely clueless to why women endear. All the hate only makes it harder on everyone.

[Orangesareyummy]

I think there are plenty of young women who don’t get treated nearly as well as you fantasize they do.

[Opinion Owner]

@Orangesareyummy I am just speaking in general. Its not a good thing or a bad thing. Its just how humans evolved

[Orangesareyummy]

Yep you’re right women did evolve. Whereas men like you are still in the stone ages.

[Opinion Owner]

@Orangesareyummy insulted because i spoke of the truth. I didn;t lie about anything or offer my opinion, it is just simple biology and you are mad at me?

[aliali8]

I can guarantee you that most men nowadays have no interest in dating 16-20 yr olds. They might just use her for sex. But would have no interest in actual dating.

[Newhead]

Lmao, don't listen to men and that garbage, this is the biggest lie since flat earth theory.

[Anonymous]

In terms of companionship no I don’t think so, in terms of child rearing I think guys would prefer a younger girl because she would be more fertile. Being in my late 20s I really wouldn’t mind an 18 year old girlfriend as long as she was mature and not really the party type.

[MannMitAntworten]

Well, if children are still desired 35 does seem to be the make or break poi t for most men, and a large number of women too. That being said, I would consider women 35 and older, “useless”. They have other intrinsic value they can bring to a relationship for some men.

[MannMitAntworten]

I would not* consider...

[wankiam]

what a load of crap... it will either be kids saying that or old cynical men who got divorced

[Anonymous]

It's more accurate to say, women passed the age of 30 are less physically attractive.

This is true. Even if you find a woman who is still hot at 35, she was almost certainly even more hot at 25.

But i wouldn't say useless. You can still be professionally valuable, emotionally valuable, or valuable as a mother.

This is why i advocate women get married at 25, instead of waiting until 30 . You're at your most attractive in your early/mid 20s. Therefore, you can attract the highest quality male in that age bracket. Waiting until you're 35 to marry, is just limiting your options unnecessarily.

Men are much more forgiving of women who where hot when they met them but then aged, than they are of women who are already aged when they meet.

[aliali8]

Most women get married in their 30s nowadays. Nobody marries at 25

[Opinion Owner]

@aliali8 and the women who do marry in their 30s are shooting themselves in the foot by doing so. They could have attracted a better partner 10 years earlier. The top their males, almost universally prefer women in the 20-30 bracket, and because women are not allergic to dating older men, even men in their late 30s can and do still date women who are mid 20s.

Something being normal does not make it right.

Also, last I checked, around 50% of women have already been/are married by the time they hit 30. So your statement is just flat out wrong.

Think about it this way. If you want to win in the 100m dash in the Olympics. Are you going to do it in your early/mid 20s when you are at your physical prime? Or are you going to establish a career in your 20s and then hope to beat the 20y athletes when you're 30? Will the 20y athletes suddenly slow down just as you have because you where off establishing a career first? Or are they going to completely smoke you because they are at their lifetime peak physical condition while you are 10 years passed peak?

[aliali8]

Well I live in NYC, everyone here gets married and have kids in their 30s. Men here have nothing against marrying a woman in her 30s. You probably live in the Midwest small Christian town where it is culture for people to have 5 kids by the time they turn 30. My mother married when she was 35 and she birthed me at 37 and 40. All my cousins were birthed by 30 something yr old mothers.

Most women in their early to mid 20s usually have no desire to get married. They are too busy enjoying and laughing with friends, exploring the world, discovering new interests and hobbies, discovering which guys they like to date, getting skills for their first job.

Women start getting married at least in their late 20s. But if you marry a woman in her late 20s, she will probably birth all your children in her early 30s and onwards.

Would you tell your 32 yr old wife to abort your second child because 30 something yr old women shouldn't be giving birth?

[aliali8]

I'm planning on giving birth in my 30s too. I want to enjoy my life before I get tied down to my kids. I don't want to be bitter by the time I turn 40 because thats reality of what is goin to happen if you have kids too early.

I also want to have enough money to support my child. Do you realize that a large percentage of divorces are the result of couples that aren't financially stable enough to raise children? And people divorce when they settle down with the wrong person, way too early. When you're young, immature, and inexperienced, you aren't too sure of what to look for in the right spouse.

Nowadays, people are getting married increasingly late in life and as a result , divorce rates have declined.

[Opinion Owner]

This is universal everywhere in every country. It's an innate biological instinct to prefer dating younger more fertile women. It is not a cultural thing. However, since you think that matters. I have lived in all, east, mid and west USA as well as Finland. I am not religious, nor is it the norm to be religious in my locality. The women shoot themselves in the foot here just as often as you American girls do.

I also never said anything about having children, just marriage. I said get married in your prime. It have children in you're prime, though that would also be good advice as younger pregnancies are lower risk, and easier to recover from.

Sorry if reality offends you, but that doesn't change the fact that it is reality.

Again, most does not mean right. A girl who marries passed the age of 25 has shot herself in the foot. She could have done better had she married earlier.

The longer you wait, the more likely you are to end up 40, single, desperate, and yes, bitter. If you think having children makes one bitter, then you should not have children. You are clearly sick in the head and have an incredibly toxic view of what marriage/children are.

Won't take my word for it? Read the book "marry him". It's a book, written by Lori Gottlieb, a 54y Feminist with personal experience. It describes what life as a single woman is like passed 30, passed 40, and even into the late 40s. And makes the case for why you should marry in your 20s.

[Opinion Owner]

Divorce rates have not declined because people are marrying later. They have declined because fewer people are getting married. So now a larger proportion of people getting married, are doing so for religious reasons and thus are less likely to initiate divorce in fear of hell.

[aliali8]

Just because you want a young woman with high fertility, it doesn't mean she wants you. I'm 25 and I'm not interested in anyone over the age of 33. As a pretty young lady, I have plenty of options of handsome young men to pick from. why would I go for an old ugly guy if I can get hotter ones?

So if you're a balding 42 yr old man desperately trying to start a family, you would be happy if a 35 yr old woman to pay any attention to you.

[aliali8]

My own mother got married at 35 and birthed me at the age of 37. She also birthed my brother at 40. All of my cousins were birthed by 30 something yr old mothers too. So no, I do not believe that 30 something yr old women are undesirable.

[HikerDude]

Men tend to want younger women, but that doesn't make women over 35 "useless." Besides, if girls can date anyone they want, so can guys. It's not a one-way street. You don't get to complain about our dating preferences when we don't get to complain about yours.

[UnicornU]

Only silly people would think that way. If women are useless after 30s it means men are very useless after their 40s 😉

[LíttleMíss_Curíous]

Some dudes want younger girls because they're predatory. Younger girls are easier to manipulate and might not be able to spot the red flags as easy as someone who is older.

Most of the time, they can't get a relationship with someone who is the same age as them because of this - so they have to go younger and find someone who is more naive.

[Vetis]

The truth is that men will prioritize the beautiful girls above all in society. It has all to do with beauty. Women after 30 who have never gotten pregnant have a very hard time, sometimes impossible time with the whole process.

[LíttleMíss_Curíous]

What has being pregnant got to do with anything? 😂😂😂

[Vetis]

Personally im only interested in non-crazy girls who actually want to do their duties.

[LíttleMíss_Curíous]

Their 'duties'? What are you meaning by this?

[Vetis]

The level of beauty of a girl. And her willingness to do her job with it.

[Vetis]

**News alert**
Her job ain't to attract tons of simps until she has to retire from the game.

[LíttleMíss_Curíous]

Are you good looking yourself? Are you saying she needs to want to have children with you? - since you haven't really explained why pregnancy was important

[MysteriousDarkness]

@Vetis
What are their duties to you?

[Vetis]

If i let her seduce me and find out later it was for some investment other than Top Tier seed, im disinterested.

[LíttleMíss_Curíous]

Top Tier seed? 😂 You've got to be joking 😂

[Vetis]

I believe im better than most women. The girls that are disinterested in my Being, very few, i dont engage with. Time and energy is too important to fantasize to no end.

[LíttleMíss_Curíous]

You're genuinely making me laugh. You think you're better than women but are actually gonna use "Top tier seed" in a sentence seriously 😂

[Vetis]

And ugly girls that aren't fit, i reject. I have rejected many girls like this from the time i was 11 years old to last week. What is the END? I think like this.

[LíttleMíss_Curíous]

Please explain what you look like? I'm genuinely curious

[Vetis]

Online, I usually show people a kind of painted portrait of my current self (before i had surgery for a broken jaw), or an outdated pic of when I was that 11 year old. Or both. What will be your order?

[LíttleMíss_Curíous]

Why would you show people what you looked like at 11 if you're now 20? That's a big odd.

[LíttleMíss_Curíous]

*bit

[Vetis]

I dont care to go over my metrics because i dont care that im 140iq and 6ft4in. What makes someone special isn't their metrics, but their actual beauty does make a difference.

[LíttleMíss_Curíous]

Are you meaning someone's physical beauty or mental? Obviously physical attraction is important but the way you're speaking about women is misogynistic.

[Vetis]

Because I was as beautiful then as i am now, and the outdated picture is of me acting. It is special.

[Vetis]

The forums supposed to be instructive actually if you want to know what i am like, you should ask to direct message me. Keep the forum instructive.

[LíttleMíss_Curíous]

Then you're gonna have to make it possible for me to send you a message 🙃😂

[Vetis]

Right, I'll do that. Apologies, gag's auto settings are dumb.

[Orangesareyummy]

@Vetis why would they want your kid?

[Vetis]

They're the vessel that desires Me.

[Orangesareyummy]

Don’t worry about Vetis. He’s a smug unhappy little man who treats people like they are idiots. Hehe old comedy reference.

[Orangesareyummy]

@Vetis that’s what a superiority complex stems from. You aren’t better than anyone.

[Orangesareyummy]

@Vetis aww how does it feel to fall on your own sword? Sounds like you’re damaged goods there too lockjaw... give hate get hate

[Vetis]

@Orangesareyummy My jaw is still sharper than a 7 inch dagger. If you're blessed to be a hot girl, you literally have heavy weights hanging off your chest. VULNERABLE!!! Pray Im nice. (I am).

[Orangesareyummy]

@Vetis you obviously don’t understand whats going on.

[Orangesareyummy]

@Vetis I am very well endowed breast wise.

[TruthBringer]

"Some dudes want younger girls because they're predatory. " the ignorant wishful thinking all over the place. I've given a far more detailed and accurate explanation in my own comment. So go check that out and educate yourself. The situation is far more nuanced than you make it out to be.

[Orangesareyummy]

I think those men fear growing old. They rarely look at what men go through as far as aging too. They are mainly just toxic men who like to pick on women. It’s really sad.

[Orangesareyummy]

Actually since guys like to talk about sexual market, I think I will create a poll about their market value. Share some pictures.

[MCheetah]

Assuming you're talking about them as partners, No. But they are more than likely still single at that point for a very good reason (widows don't count).

[John_Doesnt]

I will go for Asian cougars.

It's open, come in

[Just_Me89]

Men that have that opinion aren't worth going after. You'll find that they're just after superficial looks and that they are often intimidated by women who are successful in their own right and don't 'need a man'.

[JSmuve]

No, of course they're not useless. They're just not as attractive. A woman over a certain age is attractive to a guy like a man under a certain height is attractive to woman. 35+ (or perhaps younger) is like being a 5'6" guy. Not useless, but not sought after, and definitely not on the opposite gender's list of attractive traits.

[Orangesareyummy]

Neither are guys. I think men hate on women enough.

[Orangesareyummy]

To say a 50 year old shouldn’t be attracted to women in their 30s is a bunch of bullshit. You’re also setting relationships up to fail because if there is more than a 15 year age gap it doesn’t usually work out.

[JSmuve]

@Orangesareyummy Well there's a lot to unpackage here. First, plenty of guys are attracted to women in their late 30s if they take care of themselves. Age isn't necessarily an issue so much as how old someone looks. If a 38 year old woman looks like she's 25, she'll be viewed as more attractive than a 25 year old that looks 38, despite being 13 years older. That being said, all things being equal, many guys would find a 20-something more desirable than a 30-something, especially if he's interested in having kids. Telling a guy that he should be attracted to something that he isn't necessarily attracted to isn't really gonna move the attraction needle. It's like a 5'5" guy telling all of the girls 5'5" and under that they should all be attracted to him because they're of similar height when all of those girls are attracted to guys 6'+. It doesn't matter how much he whines about it; they're not gonna find him more attractive than a 6' guy and his constant badgering will make him look less attractive. Same thing applies here.

Second, age gap isn't really a good indicator of whether a relationship will succeed. Plenty of relationships fail regardless of age difference. I know a guy who's going through a divorce after 5 years of marriage and their age difference was 2.5 years. Granted, compatibility might broadly decline as the age gap increases, but I think that speaks more towards the people in the relationship and their willingness to make it work. Compatibility changes through time. It's not constant. So just because a couple is compatible in the beginning, doesn't mean they're be compatible in the end and vice versa.

[Orangesareyummy]

Sorry I don’t limit people based on age. It doesn’t really seem to be helpful though that either gender brings up age. Because when it comes down to it, men and women both age. Some better than others. Like some people in my hands reunion oh jeez! They should put down the bottle and go to bed!!! I’ve seen women in their 60s who are more attractive than the put down the bottle people.

[Orangesareyummy]

No sorry age gap does make a difference in the real world. Now I’ve seen a couple huge age gaps work. However, both were very wealthy and could afford help. That’s not reality for most though. People of the same or close to the same generation tend to have better understanding of each other. I think aging is beautiful. Only the ugly shame it or make people less because of it.

[WesBrewer]

That isn't true, beauty starts to decrease at 30 but they are still good looking and aren't useless, if I was a 35 yr old man who was single, I would know beggars can't be choosers and would happily date 35 yr old woman.

[DJB72]

As a guy of 48 I'd definitely say no. I'm married but if something happened and I was single again 35 would be on the young side...

[Hermes-Paris]

They are just hitting their prime. Looks like you have a decade or more to go.

[DaMack999]

Well obviously. Lol you wouldn't buy a car over 25 years. Woman hit puberty around 15 to 16 completely. That means by time they are 21 to 31 it's their prime time to get married. After that body starts to fall and loose estrogen. Beauty drops too. It's a train reck unless they use cosmetic like celebs.

[Orangesareyummy]

I know a lot of people who like old cars!!! Shallow fool! Have fun being old and alone.

[aliali8]

im not attracted to men over the age of 33 either. thats when they go balding and gain weight