No, they are not useless, but on the dating marketplace, they have considerably less value than they did in their 20s.
Men and women both have times in their lives when their value on the dating marketplace (social market value, or SMV) is low. For men, it's when they're young. The world is full of young men who have little to offer: they aren't emotionally mature, they have no status or resources, and the vast majority get little attention from women (we're not talking about the top 1% here - we're talking average guys). This is incredibly frustrating for men, but it's something we have to deal with, and work very hard to change.
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Women, on the other hand, begin the game at maximum value - kind of like inheriting $100M when you turn 15 - you might not be able to buy ANY house, but the world is awash in very nice houses that you can easily afford. Average 18-year-olds are nearly universally attractive, and that continues through their 20s. They might not be able to get EVERY man, but they can get most men, and they have a lot of leverage. Much of that leverage is a result of their fertility - the main reason that women are so valuable at those ages is because that's when her fertility is highest, along with her ability to have healthy children.
But this also means women's SMV drops way off in her early 30s (again, we're not talking about the top 1% who can buck this trend for a while - we're talking about the 99%), as her fertility drops. And this coincided when the average man's SMV is approaching its peak - a peak that's not nearly as high as women's, but higher than women's will ever be again.
Men are like people who are born poor and eventually become - if not wealthy, at least comfortable. It sucks when they're young, and forces them to work hard and smart (which not all men do), but their situation improves over time. Women are more like people who are born into wealth and privilege, but who lose their money and status, and have to face a harsh new reality of having to work hard for everything when they're used to having everything they want without having to work - and, of course, many women can't accept this truth and are in denial about it, while other women adapt and work to increase her value.
This does NOT mean that women have ZERO value at 35 - but compared to the value (and leverage) they're used to having in their 20s, many women are blindsided by the fact that men who would have happily gotten in a relationship with them at 28 are no longer interested at 33. Sure, they may still pursue them for sex, but when she starts talking about a relationship, men tend to fade away or make an excuse or whatever.
You don't have to believe me - listen to these women:Again, no one is saying women's value goes to zero - but when you're used to being "social market wealthy", and then you become "social market working class", you can't delude yourself that you can maintain your "wealthy" ideas and attitudes, because the market isn't having it. You can't take $2000 to a BMW dealership and drive off with a paid-for new car, just because 5 years before, you easily had the $80,000 to pay for one whenever you wanted one - and the BMW dealer doesn't care what you're used to being able to do - only whether you have the value to trade for the car.
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Useless as in useless humans and they can't contribute anything to society, themselves or their loved ones? Of course not...
Useless in terms of dating? I wouldn't take a radical conclusion like that either. But are women in their 30s less desirable than women in their 20s for legit reasons? Yes, and I'll explain why:
1. Women in their 20s are most fertile and the most beautiful compared to women in their 30s (generally speaking of course). As women in their 30s are entering a phase that their looks are starting to decline. And so does their fertitily.
2. An even more important factor has to do with entitlement, preferences and standards that seem to clash with men of their own age or older. Women in their 30s can be less cooperative and willing to adapt to their partner compared to women in their 20s. As women in their 20s have experienced less bullshit and don't carry as much bitterness, emotional baggage and entitlement compared to MANY women in their 30s (many, not all). So why should a man go with a woman in her 30s who is much more hard-headed when he can go for that woman in her 20s, who is much more willing to cooperate and who he can enjoy her beauty much longer? I wouldn't choose the former, that's for sure.
3. There seems to be the following pattern that more and more men have experienced and I've witnessed myself: Women in their 30s often put up a facade by acting more friendly, acting more fun, are easier to go along etc. So the man would think "Wow! she is such an amazing person". While in reality, she is making herself look more appealing in order to land a man man ASAP. Because her biological clock is urging her to get herself a man and pop out kids. But once she lands the man and once she has those kids, she feels safe enough to drop the mask and starts showing her TRUE face. And this has lead to so many conflicts and seperations. So why should a man go for a woman in her 30s who carries the risk of this behavior when he can get with a woman in her 20s who is far less likely to show this behavior?
This is how the sexual market views this topic. Just like certain groups or demographics are more desirable than others. Is it fair? In some cases yes, in other cases no.
Our fertility declines at that age just like the pool of available men, but that doesn’t render us useless at all. It’s very possible for a woman in her thirties and beyond to find a decent man, but we have to accept that we’re pitching in an entirely different ballpark than we were a decade earlier and we have to adapt accordingly. Where we fail is thinking that at 35 we’re still entitled to the top ten percent of men (a. k. a the really hot guys) who would be happy to fuck us but won’t date us or marry us. Try looking at the market of quality men who might not be as hot but are looking to actually have a relationship with us. Or take into consideration that maybe our future doesn’t include a guy and maybe you’re just supposed to be single. Nothing wrong with that either.
I think the only men that consider us “useless” is the red pill community. As far as those men are concerned, they’ve probably been hurt by women in the past or seen it happen to other men (because some of us can be vile). That has nothing to do with all women. Don’t hate them or take it to heart, just wish them well and get on with your life.
Sure when you have that mindset 😊 you should appreciate yourself a lot more but you won’t because you allow whiney losers on the internet who are bored with their lives dictate what you can and cannot do when there are plenty of successful older ladies being their natural gorgeous selves having the best sex of their life right now ☺️ A general preference only holds a little weight when the guys egging on for younger girls typically don’t even the means or the brain cells to keep up with them. You’re the only one holding yourself back ma’am. Fuck yourself or something. Anything. Just gain some confidence and sense of self cuz damn... it’s not your age that’s unattractive...👀
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Don't believe everything you read on forums. a lot of it is from bitter people, assumptions and what they read on forums and take as fact.
I agree as far as a man looking to start /have a family, he will most likely want a younger female. But to say women can't be attractive after 35 or attract a man after 35 is pure bullshit. My sister who is 6 years older than me, so about to be 54 is now dating/in a relationship with a man who was widowed years ago
And that's another point, not all men are looking to have kids/want to be a father so the fertility thing doesn't matter to those men... When it comes to looks, age can be just a number. I've seen beautiful women in their 40's-50's and women in their 20"s-30's that look like their in their 40's...- u
I am 66 years old. Younger women are pretty and enjoyable to see, and they can be great fun, but. . . I woke up with a 57 year old woman this morning and I don't wonder about how she feels towards me because she doesn't play any games with hiding her feelings and I know how she feels. She is a devoted girlfriend, she wants to make me happy, and she takes care of herself physically. I am extremely happy with her.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. If these guys can't see the beauty of older women, it only means that they are blind. You're only useless if you make yourself that way. Usually women have kids around that age and depend less and less on men and male attention. Unless they are super bored. Like I said, my guess would be that women tend to focus more on the children at that age and maybe feel more comfortable about themselves. They no longer feel the need to chase men. So I guess it's true.
A woman is at her peak of attractiveness in her early 20s. You may have heard about the shop "Forever 21". There's a reason for the name.
A woman after 35 isn't useless at all. She simply isn't as attractive as she was at 21. I'd also say that if she's looking to have a family she's at a big disadvantage.
Everything which men find sexually attractive on women, especially physically, is about reproduction and fertility, whether or not they plan to ever have children. A young woman is more fertile than an older woman. After 30 fertility begins to decrease.
In fact the real reason make-up is attractive is because most of the time it not only makes the woman look younger but also mimics the physical symptoms of ovulation such as blushed cheeks, red lips.
A man who want a family will also take age into consideration for that reason, especially if he wants multiple children. This is why I said that if she's looking for a family she's at a disadvantage. Men think about it practically.
If the man meets a woman in her 20s, he can date her for a bit to see if they click, take his time, and decide to have a family with her if he wants. She's got a lot of years ahead of her where she'll be able to have healthy children most likely without complication.
It's a completely different story with the 35 year old. The closer she gets to 40 the less likely it is she'll have any children, and she doesn't have many fertile years left. Some women might have perfectly healthy babies at this time, but some will not. The older she gets the more likely that there will be complications. In this case things are often more rushed. He can't take his time anymore, nor can she.
We're all also looking to find the best person we can when single, and who we choose is often based on who we can attract. If you have the choice between the guy who works a minimum wage job vs the guy with a successful career, unless he's a prick, all else being equal, you're going to choose the second guy. If you have the choice between a good looking vs an average looking guy, all else being equal, you're choosing the better looking guy.
People can call it shallow if they like and come out with some Disney fairy-tale quotes about beauty being on the inside or whatever, but that's not reality. It's feel-good nonsense. Women do that too much, basing their ideas on feelings and personal bias (delusion) to avoid uncomfortable truths.
Anyway same goes with men. If the guy is attractive and successful, and he has the choice between a 35 year old and a 25 year old, all else being equal he's going for the younger woman. Some of the guys who say those things aren't that attractive and don't have the choice, and only say that because they're bitter. But the kinds of guys women want do so that's irrelevant.
So yeah when it comes to attractive, quality men those women are at a disadvantage. Any claim that quality men prefer older women, again, feeling > reality.
A wife and mother at 35 though in a good marriage? She's more valuable to her husband than the 21 year old because she's the mother of his children and she's been committed to him for years. I know some women say that men divorce wives all the time for younger women, but that's not what the statistics say at all.Most men find women in their early 20s, on average, the most physically attractive. This isn’t universal. If you are out of shape in your 20s and get in shape later or if your style was bad young and great later you might look better later.
That said:
- that’s not so different for men who physically peak late 20s, on average.
- there’s no “wall”. Just a long slide till we die.
- most men find women in early 20s most attractive. They find women their own age or just slightly younger the most compatible on average. When it comes to relationships most men balance these two objectives and date women somewhat younger with a gap that grows with age. Most men my age end up looking at late 30s women for example.
- the impact of age isn’t that large compared to individual differences between women. If you’re fit and decently styled and have a good personality at age 38 you clean up compared to a badly styled and overweight 20 year old.
- some data I've seen suggests the rating of the median woman doesn’t drop that much between 22 and 35. It’s more that the most beautiful early 20s women drop down to being just “fairly attractive” in their age.Honest answer is a fuck no* but with an * because it depends on personal situations and what each person is looking for and where they are at in life
Well its unfair but certain aspects are biologically true. If your just starting to date, in my case I’m about to be 35, and don’t have kids. I was married for 10 years and now divorced. With or without them having kids or not then I’d prefer to be with someone for a couple years before I got married, and then I’d like to be married for a couple years before I had kids, and that would put me in my early 40s and thats really at the edge of safe pregnancies for women.
So its not that they are useless, they don’t age as well as we do unfortunately and young girls in their 20’s love guys in their 30’s that are already established with a house and career, money, mature, drive, etc. and for a guy its perfect.
For a girl in their mid 30’s its WAY DIFFERENT!!! Guys normally don’t date women too much older than them, and women don’t want to date immature 21 year olds that aren’t ready to settle down. Most people in their 30’s are already married or in serious relationships so they really don’t have a lot of options.
While this tendency is changing, its not changing very fast, and now you have divorce rates up so lots of single people in all ages, so its a whole spectrum of crap out there to choose from, and unfortunately its just a lot slimmer market for womenWhy do you believe this total CRAP, and LIES?
A woman doesn't really hit her sexual prime, her most sensual, erotic self, until her mid, to late 30's! Some of the best I have even known were in their 40's and even 50's!
When you are young, you hardly know anything, and believe all the lies, about younger women being so arousing, and virgins, so wonderful! BULLSHIT!!
The BEST EVER, was a 52 year old "Cougar" and I loved every second of her, and not just intimately! She liked certain foods, and art, and we had a lot of times together, just enjoying being together, but the SEX, OMG!!!99% of the older men who exclusively chase after much younger women are actually just very immature men who couldn't get a woman their own age even if they wanted. A woman their own age wouldn't put up with their immature shit, so they have to go after the younger women who match their immaturity.
I'm not saying there is anything wrong with dating much younger, but you shouldn't exclusively date people who are much younger. 40+ year old men who refuse to date anyone over 25 have major issues with maturity and such.Worthless? No.
It's more about saying, women past their 30s often fit into certain negative common traits. Like I've always found older women attractive. Still find several women in their 40s attractive.
That said. On average, women in their 40s tend to have let themselves go in more ways than one that makes them unappealing.
For that reason most guys will tend to go for younger girls because on average younger women are holding it together better whether it be better habits, better genetics or just time hasn't hit them yet.
Just take care of yourself and you won't fall prey to this statistic. Do nothing and you'll be one of the women guys are talking about who they avoid.These "men" on these forums are incels. Most of them have never even been with a woman before, nor do they know how to talk to them. There's no other species on the planet with as little knowledge and understanding of women as incels.
And I can guarantee the moment a woman 35+ or even older gave them even the slightest attention, they'd jump at her and beg her to marry them or something. And she wouldn't even need to be good looking.
So, why on Earth would you care what these losers have to say about women?Not useless but men do wonder "what's wrong with her" if you are 35+ and never married. If you are even remotely attractive than being 35+ and single says;
1) You have wildly unrealistic expectations of men and none have met your absurd RomCom standards.
2) You have been cock carouseling and have a high mileage pooty, now you want to find a simp to hate and torture, but pay for everything.
3). You have mental issues that have driven every man away from you.
Maybe you are not "useless" but you are going to have to work very hard to dispel the above list.I think that applied to previous generations sure but as the millennials push thirty i think it will change a but now.
Millenials think completely different from the ones before them and that's why the world is changing the way it is now. And millenials like older women or even similar aged ones, so while the previous generations believe that a wife needs to be younger because women age faster which turned most 30 to 50 year olds into practically pedophiles i think this batch is more likely not to care and take person for their value not age.The guys who say that are the sexuality frustrated who live in a fantasy world.
They want to believe they will be able to get young girls once they are over that age.
And they also want to believe that the women who rejected the will be rejected one day.
Both things are nonsense and their way to deal with their own frustrations.No. Only to useless men maybe. Everyone ages and there are certain pros and cons to that. However, female aging is commonly used as a revenge fantasy. I’ve got a short article on that: https://damesthatknow.com/why-some-men-are-so-infatuated-with-women-hitting-the-wall/
In reproductive terms, a female past the age of 35 is unlikely to conceive and is more likely to have problems.
Hence, a female of that age is a poor choice as a mate.
That is the biological reality, whether some women like it or not.
That is why I say that women should marry and have babies young, then go to university and pursue the role of a wage slave... if that is the life that they want.
Going to university straight after year 12, creating a student debt, then trying to build a career takes a woman past the ideal window for children.
That is why Feminists/Communists advocate it. They want women to be alone, childless, miserable and drinking boxed wine, while surrounded by cats.Oh no, don't think that way! Aging is beautiful in my opinion. I feel like women have so much more to offer and be confident about as they're getting older. I don't really appreciate how some people can make a woman's age an issue or build unnecessary insecurity when it should be something to embrace.. but we all do still have preferences and its respectable. I just turned 30 a few months ago, and I felt pretty damn amazing much more than most of my 20s for sure LOL.
I heard men move down the dominance hierarchy when choosing a partner and women move up the hierarchy.
A man might feel intimidated by a woman too old cause usually if she is that late she either focused on her career or has children already. Its not necessarily her age, just what young ones have to offer than older ones don't. If you were a good looking old man, why would you go for an older woman when a younger woman finds you attractive and has no children of her own.No it’s what men who can’t get any women or hate women who say that stuff. My mother gave birth to me at 37 and my brother at 40. My dad married her at 36. There are definitely men out there who aren’t perverts and prefer to date women closer to their own age
Don’t pay attention to those guys. They’re bitter about not being able to get laid and spend the last of their days talking trash on forums. There is no point where a woman is ever useless in her lifetime. My mother is in her 40’s and her love makes a difference in my life even today.
Do not listen to guys who talk down to older women. They’re morons.That's not true. Those men who are saying it is because they are looking now for future mothers who can bear them children. In their youth, they didn't want to tie the knot, they preferred moving around without feeling the invisible chain of the family and responsibility in front of society, now that they are older and near the 40s, they feel the need to form a family before it is too late, a women with their similar age
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