Not usually relevant too me, since it is her income, not mine. There were a couple exceptions, though, when a sizable gap between my previous and current jobs left girlfriend only breadwinner for over a month and a half. The reason it mattered to me was because she was working himself to death trying to get overtime and extra hours to cover bare necessities and came home exhausted and cranky. Since we hadn't started dating yet we were just pals that happened this year and one bed apartment, and I was okay with her natural lifestyle of her walking around her birthday suit because it made her comfortable and didn't bother me any, when a couple accidental exposures of me and my birthday suit when we were both just still casual pals created the drama scene that resulted me finding out that she was not too crazy about the Buddy Buddy relationship we had that was the same as if we had been two girls or two guys because she didn't seem as upset as I expected her to be one seeing that accidentally exposed myself been exposed to her view what upset her was when I covered myself up and tried to put my clothes back on. She wanted intimacy and I'll still reeling over the realization that she had somehow fallen for me and thought I was hot without clothing on, I kind of compromise my dignity a little bit by acting the part of her obedient easy Rider, a slang term from the seventies referring to a male boy toy or live in prostitute they'll neither one of us actually referred to me that way but when I still considered her just my friend I felt kind of cheap meeting her at the door with in my birthday suit to accommodate her somewhat surprising fantasies perhaps symptomatic to her upbringing where the households like hers when growing up females weren't treated with much respect outside of sexual activities, basically she wanted to take a break from being assertive person in the household and basically be taken I'm not going to get too specific about that but being the less socially aggressive of us too it was uncomfortable for me for a while to do the opposite of what I was comfortable with so I was concerned about the income because it involved her working harder and getting stressed out and me doing naughty things that helped her relax when she got back and me doing something that made me uncomfortable because every fiber by being told me that basically ripping off her clothes and engaging in simulated rape with her got her where she needed to be with sexually but left me feeling like a turd so when I started my work and was getting good and come coming in I stopped pretending to be the aggressive guy and she's resumed being the more assertive female that she really was hunt condition that I do the aggressive sick things to or once a month to make her happy. The previous marriages marriages just use wed to some really sadistic and violent creeps so I guess I had to meet her halfway up once in a while to do what she was accustomed to do. She appreciated being with a guy that actually appreciated her so she put up with me not being a sadistic turd to her on a regular basis because intellectually she didn't like that but physically she was used to it. Basically I was degrading her and I'm the one that felt degraded because it was for the purpose of getting her release so that she could relax, wasn't her fault or my fault, but was just a change in circumstances for both of us with that one month Gap where she was making all the income and which I did the only thing I could think of doing to help make up for the extra crap she's putting up with at work.
For me personally I am always fully honest and one of the things I tell a woman that I am interested in or I let the women see it in person is the fact that I am not motivated by money so income is only important if I'm trying to raise a family but if its just me and my partner or if its just me then don't try coming for me if you want someone who is financially stable. Most people want someone that compliments them so I would prefer to date someone that is also not interested in having money or they use money efficiently. I get some people want someone who's motivated to stay financially successful, the way I see it is if I got enough money to pay for basic stuff and then have some extra to pay for potential emergencies than I am financially successful even if I'm not making enough money to support a family. I'm not trying to make triple figures a year to my name and I'm not trying to attract anybody with my personal income because I personally believe income doesn't mean anything its about how you use your income to get by because having a lot of money starts to become a problem if you can't use it whereas you don't have that much money but you know how to use your money and you do not have any problems with thinking about how to use it.
Women need to chill, wear an apron, clean, and take care of their children. I might get backlash for this one. What are you going to do with money? Pay a lot of bills?
You're right. Guys will be 300 Ibs, missing teeth, have poor hygiene and demand that they can accept no less than a Victoria's Secret model or Porn Star as a girlfriend. Double Standards.
I can't speak for all women, but I can honestly say I just want a guy who's looking for something serious. I don't want a guy who's looking for hookups. I want someone who wants to build a future and is goal oriented like me.
@Purple_Rose Well im looking for seirous too. maybe you should ask them next time if they want hookup or serious and if they say hookup than why not just move on? ur doing this to urself not all men are like this dont blame anyone but yourself
@ddvdsv dude don't let it get to you. She is generalizing. Not talking about any guy in particular. She knows not all men are like that just like you know not all women are gold diggers for example. Don't be triggered with so little.
But most that I've encountered lie. They say they want something serious and then a few days later once they realize I'm not sleeping with them anytime soon, they start talking about sex constantly and eventually just disappear. It always happens.
@Purple_Rose thats whats supposed to happen. 99% of men just want sex. I guess im on the opposite end because i do that with every girl and 99% are willing to have sex and im looking for the one that doesn't. Its hard but thats how you find someone good and weed through crap.
Hafeez is right. Men are completely different than women.
Men are less likely to care about money or your career or your job and more likely to care about how you look and your personality.
It is women that are superficial and materialistic when considering who they date. Not really men.
A millionaire woman will want to marry a guy on her level. A millionaire man is more likely to fall in love with the sexy waitress at the local restaurant.
@MzAsh per that logic the example could extend out in reference to the rich woman going for a man "on her level". That it would be asking for trouble because the money is all that matters by implication.
So even if we grant you that point. Why fixate on one and not the other as a whole?
Yes and no... I would date someone who is of any financial standing but I would not date a girl of any financial standing who expected me to be the sole payer when we go somewhere, I will only pay for what I am eating or what I am wearing or what I want, I will not pay for someone else's food, so they will need to pay for that, it is no problem to be, they just need to buy the amount they want.
In the case they were homeless I would make an exception, in that case I would urge to get them some food so they were not starving and get them a bit healthier, I would ask them to live with me most likely.
I am not saying I would not spend any money on a person who was financially capable, I just don't like the expectation of it, it makes me feel like I would just be their second walking bank card...
If a person dated me and did not expect me to pay for their items then I would be really happy and would surprise them from time to time with little presents as thanks for not expecting me to do that :)
If she can take care of herself and live independently & adequately without help that is good enough for me. That doesn’t mean she has to be rich or even upper middle class. But she has to be self reliant enough to make it on her own.
Now if she enjoys (but does demand not feel entitled to) dating or being married to a wealthier guy that’s one thing. She doesn’t take it for granted but just as long she’s appreciative of his generosity that’s fine.
But there is nothing worse than a feel loader in 2021. I don’t care how pretty you are. I don’t care how perfect your tits, ass and vagina are. If you depend on your looks to get by then it’s just a quick sugar high. You will crash as you get older. You were too lazy to do the right thing.
There is no excuse for freeloading western women. This might be a different story in countries were women are truly oppressed (middle east and maybe Southeast Asia.). But not in the USA, UK, Canada, Western Europe or Australia/NZ. Fuck no.
I care what you do… Some jobs are interesting and make for entertaining conversation, others are repulsive and in bad taste, and many are boring and uninspiring. Depending on what you do for a living, might influence how much time you have available, how much stress you have to deal with, it might inspire better or worse conversation, etc. So it has importance, but when it comes to compensation, I don’t care about that in regard in relation to myself. I want you to be able to afford you. It’s as simple as that. Some women have larger financial appetites than other women. If you’re frugal and like a simple life, then if you don’t earn much you can probably handle yourself. If you have big eyes for shinny things and are more frivolous, then you better be making bank to cover your tastes. I’d rather see a women that is responsible with what she earns, than to see a women that earns a lot.
I could care less about how much she's making. most of the time I enjoy taking care of her anyway. Just as long as I know she isn't taking my wallet for a ride. Been there!
Let's put it this way if we are just starting out she needs to be concerned for my wallet. She eats cheap on dates and thinks of my gas tank if she wants to go far or multiple places. She gifts me stuff as much as I gift her things.
If I'm supporting her full time she needs to live under my roof and have made a decision she's with me. If I'm not taking care of her she's free and welcome to do as she please as long as she doesn't have another dude on the side.
I prefer women who have aspirations in life, who chase goals careers businesses or even some artistic ventures. But that doesn't mean that how much money she makes translates into how much I like her money isn't a factor for me. That being said if for example we're thinking of building a family together then yes I'd begin taking inventory: do I make enough for both of us? Can we afford a kid? All these things play into it. I would never blindly build a family out of love and have my kids live the same childhood I did. (My parents weren't too poor but they barely made ends meet and I didn't have the childhood many of my friends did. And I swore my kids would have it better or not at all)
If he's looking for stable equal relationship then i think he does To me it does, if in case i die , i don't want my children to be begging on streets... at least my second half should be good enough to feed herself and children without compromising her dignity. Ya but if he's just into sex or confident that everything will be fine then it doesn't matter , he'll just want a housewife to take care of babies while he'll go earn (if he earns good enough) But I've seen assholes (in news bout muslims) like marrying uneducated girls (coz their parents didn't educate them coz they were girls and it's not in their religion) then phoning them and saying "talak, talak, talak" and divore is done (according to their religion) and women r circling the Supremes courts for alimony or bringing the husband back and have lawful divorce coz they have children to feed and have no source to earn. They wouldn't need to do that if they had good source of income tho.
Yes because statistically a woman prefers a man who makes more than her. even just $5,000 more a year – increases the likelihood that they’ll divorce, a 2015 University of Chicago study found.
Women should stop being so consumed by professional success and invest more time and energy on building marriages and families. That would leave room for men to become the career-successful partners women want them to be.
I wish i did more, i find it would be important for marrage material, but not to much for dating. You can get through the door without a good job, and work on that later. It’s a individual case by case thing with people, for some it matters a lot, for some it matters little. I agree with that one poster down below, i would need her to know the value of a dollar if i was dating her. But its really something that friends and family get worked up a lot with guys, its not usually something that they pay attention to themselves a lot.
only to an extent. its more about the moral and personslity traits you can learn from that info than the amount of money. there us the "can she help finacially if things turn bad, at least for awhile" factor too. i mean for the most part i pay all my own bills off my job alone, but sometimes life screws that up (last week's winter blast as a great example since it left me not being able to work an entire week) and i need to be able to rely on someone else till i can get caught back up to a certain amount.
Exactly true. Your job or income have no potential to help a girl attract society standard attractive men. On the flip side they can absolutely hurt your potential to attract attractive men per societys standards.
But but but it attracted the man who lives in a van. It attracted a playboy millionaire for one night. Yup. But men who are deemed like damn he fine and he a success thats husband material for normal women, does not help get those sorts of men for committed relationships. In fact it can scare them away.
Of course, it matters and any man who says it doesn't matter either: 1. Is fantastically wealthy and doesn't need her income whatsoever, OR 2. Is fantastically ignorant of life in the real world because couples need all the money they can get to survive future crises (and they WILL happen).
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No. Most don't care. The limit is basically just don't take anything from me. That's all. I don't care too much where you got money to pay for your basic stuff. It could be a trust fund for all I care, as long as I'm not mixed in with anything criminal and the work isn't gross to me, that's all that is required. So ultimately your local waitress is competing on the same level as big wig CEO women, and I think that's a beautiful thing tbh. If you're some cashier at the supermarket and you're looking at wealthy businesswomen or female lawyers in envy of how attractive you think they are because of that status... don't. The cashier girl can absolutely stand next to them and be competitive, if not be the favorite to win.
Yes, it matters. She must earn enough to be able to support herself. That means a career, not a job at mcdonalds or amazon. College education would also be requirement - I'd never move in with a girl who didn't have those achievements.
Sorry but poorly educated women tend to be trappers, which is just the other side of the gold-digging coin.
Most definitely. When a woman makes more than a man she is more likely to leave him in favor of a man who makes more (Refer to hypergamy and the "80/20 Rule"). Depending on which research read, marriages are up to 75% higher probability when the wife is higher paid.
@ThisIsMyOpinion It's not false. Look at the divorce statistics for families with "stay-at-home dad's", they are through the roof as women do not respect these men.
Women will give lip service to lesser earning men but the reality is they don't respect these men. Just look at all the high-earning women who whine about "where have all the good men gone"? Well, they are all around you but they aren't driven by money.
@KrakenAttackin Divorces are very high whatever you look at "stay at home husband" households or not. And for many different reasons. "Left fror a man that does more money" I am sure is on the bottom of those reasons.
My wife makes more money than me going 6 years now. Still loyal to me and still with me. And I know she had other guys with their eyes on her including a high level executive at her former job.
Look I know you and I disagree a lot. I am not saying that what you say doesn't happen. But if you marry a girl that makes almost no money, you are far more likely to be divorced raped since money is probably the reason she married you for.
No, and it should never matter. When I married my wife, I didn't care that she came from a poor family. We had been childhood friends in our hometown of Alice Springs, Australia so I knew the situation. But I have noticed that some men are concerned with it and I find it odd. Especially since moving to the US. I have a hard enough time listening to some people here with their preconceived notions about my wife and her heritage (she's Aborigine) than to worry about whether my wife's income matters or not. But since we work the same job, it only matters that she's employed because she is happiest when working.
Women spent 6000+ years in the kitchen and no one complained - what makes you think a man cares about your income or career (dubious conversations by the way) - Men are the ones who have to prove themselves socio-economically - All we care about is your physical appearance and how much of a whore you are (On a scale of 1 to 10 10 being the best 1=You slept with 12 dudes 3=you're a hooker 10=you're a virgin) - Yea that's the male brain we're pretty simple eh?
I have a friend who is a divorce attorney. He always told me if I decide to marry make sure the woman works full-time with a decent income. If a divorce occurs each will be treated fairly. However, if you married her and she isn't working, or ever have, the court will favor her. This advice also applies to women. Make sure he is working full-time with a decent income.
Uh... I don't make much... any money right now, so I would much prefer to be with someone who could help support financially... not saying I want to be a sugar baby, I plan to have a job, but even then I don't expect to have a particularly great job... I'm not a big dreamer
Be self sufficient in that I mean don't expect me to support you and your lifestyle. Past that idgaf.
I would date a hotel cleaning lady with the same level of vigor as an equally hot doctor. Only jobs that would make dating more appealing have nothing to do with income.
I've dated a couple professional models and it was a turn on because they were hot and hot enough to get paid for it. Didn't care about their money
Well actually the doctors probably worse than the cleaning lady because the doctor probably works 60 hours a week with a crazy schedule and is never around when you need her.
I'm an architect and in my field, you make very little for the amount of work you put in. With that said, it'd be nice for my partner to be able to compensate for me a bit. Even so, I know how to be thrifty if they dont or can't.
TLDR; I don't care
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to some extent yes along with the kind of job she has to some extent but not the extent the feminazis make it out to be. There were a couple of women who i know one who works at taco bell and another who works at johnny rockets and both are complete losers working dead end jobs at their age. I would rather see them unemployed or see them working for themselves then some dead end job barely making ends meet. There's no reason for any woman who's never been to college or only has an associates degree and/or who's almost 30 to not have any money saved up or/and any investments even if they pay rent and food and other expenses. That to me is just pathetic they work at fast food joints scraping cash together like someone who works for themselves. Like i said i have more respect for someone who works for themselves or who is unemployed then someone who works a damn minimum wage shit paying job
The only thing that matters to me about women's finances is if they are saddled with debt. I am not taking on someone else's debt. Other than that, I don't care about her money. It's not like they pay for dates or anything. Men don't care about women's finances because men don't get, nor ask to have access to the woman's resources. Men want Fit, Feminine, agreeable and sexy.
No, but your talent and usefulness does. It's not important that you make money. It is important that you know how to take care of yourself, discuss interesting things intelligently, be open to affection, and have some useful skills, preferably that complement his, depending on what kind of relationship you both want.
Personally it would not matter me one bit if you earned 1k a month or 50k. Earning more would not make me treat you special.
Your personality, looks and house skills matter to me more because if I’m thinking to settle down with you then I would need to know that you will be able to take care of our kids properly and take care of the house.
But she better be good with something. Cause if she's not working, I expect her to do pretty much everything around the house. You know cleaning, cooking, and taking care of kids when we have them.
Doesn't make sense to me if I'm making all the money and doing all the house chores. Then I need to give that girl attention and feed her. If she doesn't contribute but sticks around then she's more like a pet than a girlfriend.
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Her income, no. I don’t care much about that.
Her ability to handle money yes. If she’s bad with money and you get serious there will be a lot of arguments it. If you’re not careful she’ll fuck everything up. Being with a woman who likes to live beyond her means and loves spending money she hasn’t got is like dating a guy with a gambling addiction.
When initially dating - less. If and when it gets serious - absolutely. We're planning on being together, I need to know how we're gonna manage financially. I'm absolutely NOT saying I wouldn't have dated a woman with relatively low income, only that I would have had to take her income into consideration. We couldn't have been able to plan our future together otherwise!
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No, men don't care about a woman's career, education or income. At least not in the way women care about those things in men. Men are interested in very different things in a woman than women are in a man. I think today's women have a very hard time understanding that fact.
@MzAsh No, not at all. You problem is just what I mentioned in my initial post... you don't understand what men want in a woman. There is a vast different between a gold digger and a woman who has her priorities fucked up.
@MzAsh True, low value men have few options so they have to settle for low value women.
But the vast majority of the highest value men have a spouse who stays home and takes care of the home and is a real mother to their children. Those men can choose any woman they want, so they choose the highest value women.
Low value men prioritize looks, youth and then wonder why they ended up with an Instagram obsessed bimbo with nothing else to offer but her looks. Low value men also prioritize submissiveness yet have no idea how to lead properly. They’ll also say they want stay at home wives but will struggle to financially provide for the family, then shift the blame and call her lazy because she isn’t contributing to the household.
@MzAsh You always call men who don't support your ideology "low value" because it's the only argument you have against the realities of human nature. But despite your butthurtness, the reality is that the highest value men in the world choose the highest value women in the world, and those women are typically very different from what you would like us to believe. They are certainly not Instagram obsessed bimbos with nothing else to offer but her looks.
The only part you are correct about is submissiveness. Yes, the highest value men... the type who women find most attractive... are dominant and natural leaders, and they do NOT prefer dominant women as partners. I know that is a bitter pill to swallow for a woman like you, but it is the reality of human nature.
You either do not understand what men find most important in a woman, or you are in denial about it.
@ThisIsMyOpinion And the type of guys who say a woman's income matters are not the type of guys most high value women are looking for. They are guys looking for a woman to support them. That's not what women want in a man.
No, I do mean men. If you have you opinion very well have it. But there are many very successful men out there who marry women of equal standard.
What you describe is simply the cliche. Doesn't really represent reallity. Even more so now that women make more money in 1/3 of relationships.
If you marry someone who makes her own money the odds that she will divorce rape you or leave for a guy with more money are much lower. Since money was not the reason she got with you to begin with.
Not only that but women today have a different mindset. More than ever they want to be as accomplished as us and want their own mnoeny so that they don't have to depend on their partner to survive.
@ThisIsMyOpinion I jut tallied up all of the male responses here, and most guys are not saying they care about how much a woman earns. And most of the ones who do care are only saying so because they don't want to support a deadbeat, which is very different from how women view a man's income. The bottom line is that a man's income is very important in how attractive he is to most women, but a woman's income matters very little to most men in terms of her desirability. That is the point of this question. Men and women value very different things in the opposite sex.
Yes they are saying they want them to make money. Not that they want them rich, but they wnat them to heve their own money. If a women who meets a guy finds out he is very rich is a plus? Sure. If that will be her final thought if she stays with him or not? Not a chance. Unless she is that said gold digger, on which case get very good prenup!
And let's be real, any man, and I mean any man, will love if he finds out the girl he is dating is actually super rich.
@ThisIsMyOpinion So many inaccuracies in what your wrote here, I don't have time to address all of them. But one if the biggest is your claim that a woman who earns more is less likely to divorce a man, and statistics actually show exactly the opposite. The more a wife earns, the more likely the marriage is to end in divorce, and women file 70% of divorces.
The fact is that earnings are FAR more important to women in how attractive they find a man. To men, a woman's earnings are nowhere near as important, and in fact studies show there is actually a negative correlation between how much a woman earns and how attractive she is to men. I already shared a study that shows that the vast majority of the highest value men, those who earn the most money and can choose any woman they want, have wives who don't work, which is to say they take care of the home and are real mothers to their children. The fact that the highest value men choose those women as life partners demonstrates that those women the highest value women, by definition.
In other words, when men can afford it, they choose women whose priorities are very different from high earning career women. The opposite is true of women. That is the point here.
You are projecting yourself into the entire world. If you could afford it, you would have a 18 yearl old girlfriend. We get it. More like a prostitude since you literally said afford, but we get it.
If you are much older then hee she is statistically more likely to cheat on you. It's a fact google it. Another one is that couples who have similiar incomes are less likely to argue over money. There is no "I amke the money so I make the rules" kind of dicussion.
Yes women do fille for most divorces and guess what, you having so much more money than them will be an incentive for them to leave. Earnings WERE far more important for women. They couldn't open a bank account without a man until 1970. Ya 50 years ago!
Sure even today women still value income more than men do. We totally agree on that. But those are less and less.
Correction, they can have any gold digger they want. Since all they care about is how sexy the girl is and many gold diggers are, of course they will say they can get any girl they want.
Not even close! My father is rich as fuck. He is, he really is. And he is because he left my mother for a very rich woman, but that's another story. He is the biggest piece of shit you can imagine. Men are not high value for the money thay make. We are not wallets and thankfully more and more women don't see us as such.
I believe most men do care about a woman’s income. Well, for one, they can’t afford not to.
Unless you’re making 100k a year minimum, you’re going to struggle to financially support a family of 3 or more. How many many these days make that much?
ThisIsMyOpinion, I completely agree that men are NOT high value just for the money they make. It takes much more than money and good looks. It’s important to make that clear because a big problem I see i guys like Entrepreneurs In Cars and Donovan Sharpe out here teaching men that money and power makes the man. No. They’re two balding middle aged Joes with mood disorders and criminal records. That is not going to be attractive to any woman with more than two brain cells.
For me, during dating, no. However, when considering marriage, both parties need to be on the same page of however they plan to go about things... finances that is.
It doesn’t lol. She just needs to be able to learn how to be financially literate. Depending on W2 income typically means they’re financially illiterate. Finance and markets are a big part of my life, so I expect her to have some baseline knowledge.
It's very attractive to me if she has a job and is financially independent. I know she's not looking for me to support her and maybe she actually is interested in me as a person?
Not at all. I've never cared about money. 🤷♂️ I try to be responsible, budget, save, etc., but as long as she's doing some kind of work, profitable or not, income isn't something I consider.
Not specifically, but I definitely want a girl that’s driven and can pull her own weight. I work hard so I can enjoy life and want a girl with similar ambitions
She must have her bills on check and no debt... ButvI do not care about the amount of money she does earn as lon as she can life relatively comfortably with that herself. A man's salary is bigger of an interest about women than vice versa.
I'd love to have a woman who's independently wealthy fall madly in love with me. But right now, I'd be happy if she's independent self-sustaining. Men and women should not rely on each other for financial stability.
Let's just say i won't date a woman, that can't support herself. But I'm just one, who is not part of those "men don't care about your job, income, education". Money is everything.
Man doesn't care about his woman's income. His woman works as a waitress or something low end. She may or may not have finished university but is stuck on a low paying job and doesn't advance her career. The man doesn't care and makes it obvious. They get married. They pop kids. Stuff happens. Conflicts emerge. Fights appear. Money might be getting tight. They divorce. Because the guy was focusing on making finances and she either didn't or couldn't improve her own financial situation, the courts decide, that the one, who is financially booming owes the ex-spouse half of it's earnings in alimoney and child support. Guy is shocked and is forcibly stripped from his assets and his assets and money are handed over to the woman, who also has child custody because she is unable to support herself, let alone the kids too. MGTOW sees it and uses it as more ammo towards blaming women.
That is why I do not date women, who aren't ambitious. Or want men to pay for everything. Or gold diggers. This is why I care about a woman's ambition, how she makes her own living and if she has accomplished training.
As long as she can support herself, I don't care. It's 2021 I don't want to support a girl.
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Once it would not have been, but now men are taking a page out of the women's play book and are rating women by what job/salary she has but turning it on its head the higher the job/salary the less attractive the woman.
No not really I don't value a women's wealth but sadly I sometimes think a woman does. I not saying all women do but I just think just because men are consider to be a provider most women go for that.
For serious dating yes... She should have decent job or at least working hard for her goals , not just wasting time with social media attention seeking
I could care less what they make currently, but their career goals and eventual earning potential do play a slight role. Not a deal breaker though unless they have no future goals what so ever.
No, any relationship based on anyone's income is doomed to fail.
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Never cared about this at all. What matters is that the girl is hot, has good character, and has a fun, light energy. Her career only matters to the extent it helps facilitate her in those areas.
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