I'm asking this because of my and my friend Groveback's (A nickname I have for him) experiences, as well as my political beliefs.
Both Groveback and I are attracted to women who are dominant in relationships.
Now, before you call me a simp or a male feminist, we are NOT the way we are because of feminism. I already know that feminism has become corrupted and hurt gender relations in the Western world. It's taught men that masculinity is toxic, and women that being feminine is weak.Obviously, that's BS, and masculinity and femininity come natural to men and women. I know what men and women on average find attractive. Men like youth, beauty, and gentleness. Women like status, strength, and dominance. I know that men and women are different. But the thing is, I do not want what other men want.
Groveback and I are attracted to masculine traits in women, especially dominance. Groveback's ex-girlfriends have mostly been tomboys and loved working out, and all of them were the alpha in their relationships. His classmate who he's trying to date is dominant, muscular, and much taller than him (He's 5'11).
As for me, I'm trying to date my friend Coyote (Nickname)'s younger sister Wolf (Nickname). Wolf is 100% dominant. She's always in charge in her relationships, and is the leader out of 6 people--Herself, Coyote, and their siblings. Wolf has a good relationship with me and nicknames me "Puppy" due to me being the submissive one in relationships. She's also 4 and a half inches taller than me, and physically stronger than me.Basically Wolf and me.Now again, I know that feminism has become a corrupt movement, and it's making women unhappy. Feminism is teaching men to become more like women, and it's teaching women to be more masculine and dominant when they instinctively don't want that for themselves. But I don't want a relationship where I am in charge.
So Red Pill men, what do you think about dominant women and submissive men?
Hmmm whether a man is into dominant women is his business. That is until he starts lecturing other men about masculinity as being submissive within a relationships is being looked down on by masculine and dominant men. So in other words, he should know his place.
I personally am and have always been the dominant one in relationships and the women I date don't want it to have it any other way. At the same time I've met and dealt with lots of "dominant" and "masculine" women who are often obnoxious and seem to be suffering from some inferiority complex. They tend to feel the need to "prove" themselves even unprovoked. Even when you are minding your own business, they try to trigger a response from you. I've always smelled the insecurity within them. While a submissive woman doesn't feel to be competitive out of insecurity and ego.
I've met and dealt with more than 3 households where the woman/wife is dominant over the man/husband. And all have something in common. Resentment from both sides towards each other. These households are always somewhat chaotic. And it was clear to me that the women were unhappy with their husbands. While my experience with households where the man is the dominant one is vastly different. This was all even prior to me getting to know the red pill. So I'm not dealing with a self-fulfilling prophecy. The red pill reflects my experience and that is a woman having a submissive man is often miserable to some extend compared to a woman having a dominant man. She feels like there is more pressure on her while the man is usually the pillar of strength and support.
Do remember that women are biologically programmed to be the submissive one. And what's funny is that a woman who is "dominant" and "masculine" craves for a man who is even MORE dominant and masculine than her. The problem however with having "masculine" with masculine is that they often butt heads and eventually one will get sick of it (which is often the man).
Well, I remember talking with you before. We kinda went back and forth on a Mytake where I criticized the Red Pill community's beliefs. And like I said then, Western society is attacking femininity and submissiveness in women, and the opposite traits in men. But there are exceptions: Not all men and women want a traditional relationship.
And by the way, one of my watchers is actually married to a bossy tomboy, and they're happy and in love.
Like I have said to you before, man. If you want to be like that and that is what is true to you and what you believe, go with it. I am not going to shame you and nor do I care about the women that you are attracted to and you desire to date. That is your decision.
Like I said, I grew up around dominant women being my mom and sister. I know what aggressive women can be like and how they use their tone and act in general. While not bad in itself if it is an individual trait, it is not something I like or am willing to entertain if she is a woman I want to be my partner and the one I want to invite into my world and share my life with.
My girlfriend is dominant for her job like I have said, however she knows my boundaries and is feminine and wants to look good and be loving and understanding. She knows I hate raising voices, screaming/yelling, being questioned or challenged on every decision or choice I make, etc. Because this is the shit my mom and sister did and it messed with me for a long time growing up before I figured out how to deal with it.
Plus, I am telling you MY experiences. Every time I found a woman or was attracted to a woman that caught my eye, if I behaved in a submissive or feminine way, it turned them off and killed attraction immediately. Now that I know how to carry myself and what I want in a woman, I know how to get the results I desire. I feel in my true frame that way. At most I would say I can be passive on an off day, but otherwise it is assertive and go, go, go.
Do what works for you. There is no right or wrong way. Different paths to the desired result being a woman you are attracted to and who is in turn attracted to you and your authentic self.
I understand all that. Right now, I'm trying to get in contact with Coyote. He's helping his aunt with her house. I think I've told you about him before; Wolf's big brother.
Well if you are truly red pill you dont judge another man for his own journey. I like to be submissive in bed and have the woman dominant on top face sitting me or milking my cock. But in life? no woman can ever respect a submissive man. And I actually get angry when I see a woman bossing her man around in public. I will not at all put up with that and I set a tone early on with the girls I date. The first moment of being bitchy to me or saying something disrespectful I check my lady by telling her "Hey, you said this to me and I dont appreciate that. I dont tolerate disrespect. I am a good man and I give my heart. I ask respect in return."
If you do this early on in a relationship a woman is usually emotionally high on the newness of sex with you. She is still in love. So she will back off right away and it sets the stage for the relationship. When I have spoken up during disrespect women at least verbally didn't treat me like shit
And you SHOULD stand up for yourself in a relationship.
But "no woman can ever respect a submissive man?" Groveback's ex-girlfriends sure as hell did! And Wolf sure as hell respects me. She always asks Coyote (again, her older brother) to check on me and wish me a happy holiday (depending on which one it is).
Bingo, Apope16 is spot on. I can actually relate to what TomGarand fantasizes about; it is the male equivalent of a romance novel, really! Could you EVER trust a woman that much? I would say an emphatic NO.
I don't consider myself a "Red Pill" man because I have always dated women and I love women as a whole, but I certainly agree with your comments about feminism being corrupt and harmful to gender relations. It disgusts me how much harm feminism has done and continues to do to men, women and children, and yet it still gets support from a lot of women. I don't know exactly what that says about a lot of women but it's not good.
That said, I don't know what exactly you are looking for with this question. There are some men who are not dominant, and that's OK. Nothing wrong with a submissive man dating a dominant woman. Live and let live.
But I am dominant by nature and am not attracted in the least to women with dominant personality traits. In a romantic relationship there is only room for one dominant personality, and in my relationships that is always me and I've had no trouble finding plenty of women who are perfectly fine with that because despite what many women like to tell themselves, and what feminism desperately wants to pretend isn't true, most women are submissive by nature and are very attracted to dominant men.
It is a fact of human nature that masculinity is dominant and aggressive while femininity is submissive and passive, so it should be no mystery to anyone that when masculine men are in relationships with feminine women, the man is naturally the dominant one.
But as I said, to each their own; live and let live, as long as people (mostly feminists) don't try to push their ideology on others and continue to fuck up people's lives and society,
I'm the sub who dates another sub type, I find sexual dominance in women attractive, but only if playful/non aggressive, I'm not into dominatrixes or bdsm or anything like that.
However, personality wise, in every day life, I like placcid relationships where neither person is being dominant over the other. I don't think relationships where one person tries being in charge works.
Anime slice of life shows often display what I prefer, where both people are just super nice to eachother, do everything together because they want to, and are clingy and posessive of eachother.
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Both Groveback and you are attracted to dominant women.
Groveback has a whole bunch of exes, those relationships didn't work out.
You've been talking about your friend's sister for months. You haven't got her yet, she's presumeably been single for a while.
Show me a long-term happy female dominant/male submissive couple.
I think it comes from a weird place of inferiority. Overall, you're a disgrace. Go chill out in the woods for a couple of weeks until you believe in yourself from deep within your core.
GnatSocks also has it here. Real life isn't porn, and real life isn't romance novels. And what TomGarand is fantasizing about is really a male version of a romance novel!
@Curmudgeon The worst thing I'm getting out of my situation is being called a cute name like "Puppy" affectionately. Not even joking, Wolf calls me that because of my shortness, and she's not even being mean. She's genuinely using it in an endearing way.
If being given a cute nickname is abuse, then abuse the fuck out of me.
Bruh... Just means you like a woman who knows what she likes and is very, very vocal about it. Call it a kink or w. e. it's your life dude live it. Just please don't be one of those dudes going overboard with it suddenly going into humiliation lining.
if i could have it my way, i would want my girl to fuck me as hard as she can and move my body with the force of her own lol. I want to beg, i want to let out a moan that tells her how incredible it feels
Feminism doesn't teach any of that. Anti-feminists posing as feminist teach that to make feminism look unreasonable. The core of feminism is the wage gap. Nothing more.
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