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I'm always watching to see what a woman does next but i don't think guys really know what a woman is thinking. Lol
True. I have no idea.
These are the men who are "dating coaches" and the like. A combination of greed and narcissism drives this. They prey on other men.
Depends on which ones you talk to, honestly. But I agree the wrong ones do exploit and prey on men.
Oh, are y'all talking about red pill, MGTOW and what not? Just drink the kool-aid... lol
@razelove I am aware of the red pill and concepts, but I broke off before I went too far down the rabbit hole. I do know some of the guys in that community got outed for being frauds and scam artists.
You want chocolate or sweets in general!
Im a genius!
🤣🤣🤣
No man, french fries, you throw those around and watch the girls swarm like sea gulls lol
@razelove 🤣🤣 only if they checkers fries lololol
That'll do it, get the cheese fries and you're a certified player heh
@razelove Lololol
Oh no... not another "what women want vs what men want" list! I'm just too exhausted to re-list the woman's side. Maybe I can find an old list. Let me check. LOL
No it was more what men "think" they know versus actual reality
What I KNOW is that it doesn't matter what I "think I know", because whatever it is, a woman will change her mind !
It's rare that I meet anyone who knows what they want, and are actually doing something about it. Male or female.
We never said that women do not want a man that expresses emotion. However, We as men have a hard time expresses and conveying our feelings. We were taught a man is never to show emotion in any situation good or bad.
Umm read some of the threads on here some times. There is guys telling men a woman won't want you or date you if you show emotion.
In my experience they don't like excessive negative emotion. No one does, but the acceptable level appears to be much lower for men.
Most women dont want a man that cries cuz then they lose respect for him. It is what it is tbh. Some women can appreciate it but the majority of women will find the man "weak"
That's been my experience.
Best advice About women I had was Just quit trying, so I did. Came from men
Worst advice I have ever read everything from @Apope16
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Quit trying as in just be yourself I would agree... Just give up on women, I wouldn't... The more people just treat people like people and less like something to "land" , the more attraction and affection happens naturally...
You can't get hurt if you don't date. But to answer the question in the update
What i think women want based on experience: assholes that cheat on them and beat them so you should be a Dick to get one interested and if you are not willing to that you should quit dating and stay single forever I go for option 2
Not because I want to but Just because I would never want to hurt a lady
And you would be wrong.. If you base what all women want off a few bad experiences you aren't cheating women, you're cheating yourself... Same as when you listen to the advice of biased bitter men. If you want advice from men, get advice from men that have been married for a long time and are "still" happily married...
The advice that married men give doesn't work anymore.
Being myself is what I did always got me
Friendzoned, ghosted, called every bad name in the book
Until I got as bitter as this
And advice from. non married men is advice to hook up and have sex
I rather build a family
And every womans advice is different
So the advice to quit dating entirely was the best
Please read the reply from @razelove
Allready figured out myself 🤷🏻♂️ , still don't understand. In my entire life I had 2 short relationships 1 date with a stranger and 1 Kiss with a stranger in a bar.
I treated them right got back in order offcourse not counting the bar lady
Cheated and dumped me
Replaced me on a night out with me
Made sure she was clear that our date went very well never spoke to me again.
All other Girls I have been interested in
Well read my username.
And that is being myself
The best advice there is about women is “don’t take advice about women from women.” Unless you’re getting the inside scoop about a specific chick through gossip, women will only tell you what they think you want to hear.
@DeltaCharlieEcho I agree but the best advice still is to quit dating
Sorry to say it man, but sometimes you have to hurt to avoid being hurt. It's very easy to manipulate someone who wants to be "good" and draws lines in the sand over that, especially what you will or won't do.
Being aggressive doesn't necessarily mean grabbing a woman like a cave man and going "Ugg want babies now, we make babies!" It's more asserting what you want, and don't want. Also if you have friends who are women, see if they're actually your friends, go out, pick up on other women with them.
They can break through those groups that scare other guys off like a hot knife through butter, and get you in like flynn. You're young, don't give up yet, just try different tactics. If you know doing one thing a thousand times results in failure, try something else 1000 times. You have time and motivation after all.
@razelove what you are describing there is be a Dick, hurt to get her interested yeah that is not me.
If can't get a girl to like me without acting like a dick I am doomed to be alone forever
The 3 women I did date ended up to be toxic as fuck after presenting themself as nice girls
No, I'm saying to avoid that toxicity, sometimes you have to test, tease, and be willing to toss them away like finding a live hand grenade in your pocket. I don't mean to hurt the women you love, we live in the age of equality. If you aren't willing to hurt the women who mean you harm, then you will be trampled into a bloody mess.
Treat anyone, man or woman who treats you with respect and kindness the same. Be suspicious, make plans in case they fuck you over until you've known them for a while and that's improbable.
I'd avoid saying who you will or won't become as well. I've lived so many lives I never thought I would, including my current one, husband, father, square. It's fucking weird man.
Sounds like playing games
Playing games is what sluts and dicks do
I rather communicate like grown ups
And that is not gonna happen , and Iknow a lot of around of my age or even younger allready have given up because of the games too
Not playing games, I am Who I am been bullied for nearly 2 decades Iknow Who I am that shit makes u grow up really Quick been at my worsed and more
And I say no more games when it comes to dating and if I look around me or online all dating is nowadays are toxic games
Yeah, it's why if you're going to date you need to apply occam's razor. Pay attention to actions, words only go as far as they are backed up. Sometimes that does mean just pulling out of a bad situation.
If you aren't ready to date right now, or just don't have the energy to, I get that. I've been there a few times myself. That is part of knowing yourself and having integrity. You are not me, I am not you. What we want and how we approach it are going to be different.
Don't give up on relationships as a whole because of some bad experiences, just work on you, get to a place where you can handle dating (if you even want to) and give it another shot using different tactics then you did before. Grocery stores or church instead of Tinder and OKC for example. Just throwing that out there.
Good luck with whatever you decide, and I'm sorry you had to deal with both bad advice and bad experiences. You seem like a solid guy to me. Or at least uncompromising on your principles.
Yeah principles are not something to compromise on for me.
Hurting women Just to see wich one is real also no go have 7 sisters not negotionable
I never wil set foot in a Church again I got bullied on a Christian school and no one intervented.
So God existing not possible to me what you think about his existence is up to you.
Dating apps yes I deleted all of those. This time forever. Never got matches anyway.
But thanks for saying I seem like a solid guy. I Normally get the your not a nice guy if you have to say it speech, I crawled up from the ground only thing that kept pushing me back over there were the women that dated me one even got me to an actual suïcide attempt. The ones that Just stomped on my heart the moment I asked them out hurted me much less
Now I am saving up for my first rental house. Cause buying ain't an option at least for the next 5 years for me
But unless a miracle woman falls from the sky I am not gonna date anymore.
People are individuals, there is no "best way" to get a girlfriend/boyfriend.
The best Idea is to only follow dating advice that tells you mechanically how to do what you already wanted to do.
This is what most women want.
In all seriousness though. Men are taught to cater to women from a young age. Open doors for ladies, happy wife happy life, ladies first, never call a woman a bitch, Never hit a woman etc, all these general rules on how to treat women well.
Meanwhile women are just told men are dogs and everything they value in women is oppressive or sexist or otherwise immoral. And to be regarded with distain
You know I see that said on here a lot. But I've never seen any kids being raised, taught that way IRL... There's a lot of girls in my family, daughters and granddaughters, now the granddaughters are having mostly boys and none are being raised that way...
I can only speak for my generation and those before me.
But i point out these sayings as things men are typically told. To point out that we are at least given some direction into how to be good.
I was looking to see if there are any examples like that for women?
The only one i ever heard is the way to a mans heart is through his stomach
yeah i never really understood those "rules"... I mean like isn't that how you basically treat disabled or people who need physical help? and besides we don't need others' help a lot, i think maybe those rules might just be from a few decades ago when things were different...
Same Reason Why Women Think They're Better At Knowing What A Man Really Wants.
*Some Women
Also because there are some women who wants a man who we expect to be mind readers because they tend to not tell what they want.
No, all women.
I made a typo.
And look. 2 downvotes already as if they know better.
I know; it’s just more entertaining to methodically offend the basic bitches on this site.
The second reply isn't actually referring to you but a reply to my original comment.
If you want to say all women then i can also say all men
There are two things that make a woman unhappy.
1) Getting what she wants.
2) Not getting what she wants.
Who are these guys who think they know more about what a woman wants? Does the woman know what she wants? 1 thing is true, they won't tell you what they want, they want you to figure out what they want, which I suck at.
Unfortunately love is a mind game, love depends on attraction and attraction depends on being manipulative.
That's 💩
Love isn't choice. The heart can tell the mind exactly what to do, but your mind will never tell your heart how to feel. Sure, attraction requires WORK. If you want to be lazy and get everything in life, you know full well that will never happen. Just like a job, you must perform to see results. Being social animals, our entire valuation in humans is their ability to socialize. So the higher you go in the hierarchy of social status, the more demanding your skills will be.
The reason behind your thought, that love is a mind game, is likely because you were rejected for being yourself. You feel like in order to attract somebody you have to become someone you are not. This is in part true, but it's not that black and white. If rejection became a pattern in your life then that should tell you something about yourself: there are areas you need to IMPROVE about yourself. Yes you have to put in WORK. That is life. A lazy man will not thrive, he will perish.
Because we have experience of observing the differences between what women say and what they do?
No Man has that knowledge. Half the time women don't even know what they want
I think it works both ways and sometimes it is actually correct
I don't know how that works but single guys actually give really good relationship advice.
don't take anything a woman says at face value because they have no idea what they want or what they're talking about. That is my advice from years of experience
Its called arrogance and misogyny. I just ignore those people
No advice you'd like to give guys that really would work?
I dont want to waste my time lecturing especially not to arrogant men. Falls upon deaf ears.
All i know is that everytime you appreciate their existence, they slap you in the face and tell you that you're not enough.
I gave this guy a like just to even out the downvotes, because I didn't think the reaction was fair.
I just so the dislikes now😂😂
I forgot i wrote this.
It’s too complex for your little minds. Look! Something shiny!
Because women frequently lie about what they want for the same reason social media says it lies about what their rules are.
You know why? Because you don't ask a fish how to be caught, you ask the fisherman. Women are also notorious for double speak and what they say they want is 9/10 in direct contrast to what they actually respond to.
You ask the successful fisherman not the one who can't keep the fish in the net🙂
Don't ask a guy who can't keep a woman about relationship advice, ask the men that have been Married and still are in there marriage is successful
@Brainsbeforebeauty. Great point.
@jerdanro Thanks
A man with an abundance of women to choose from will be able to give better advice on attracting women, hence his abundance. Men do not care about commitment, women care about commitment.
If men don't care about commitment then they shouldn't get into committed Relationships. And you're speaking for all men. There is men that care about commitment or they wouldn't be upset when they get cheated on right🤔 Dating women doesn't make you an expert on all women anymore than being a man makes you an expert on all men and what they want and what's important to them. You can only say those things as fact about you, the rest is speculation and assumption 🤷🏼♀️
Your logic is stupid here. "There is men that care about commitment or they wouldn't be upset when they get cheated on right🤔" that doesn't have to do with men caring about commitment, that has to do with women being whore's with no integrity and breaking trust. When it comes to dating commitment isn't the guys main priority, it's being with beautiful women. Whereas women will want a high value man to commit to just her which is her priority.
"Dating women doesn't make you an expert on all women"
This is also stupid, a man that can pull in multiple women will absolutely have better advice to give than men that do not have any luck dating.
"You can only say those things as fact about you, the rest is speculation and assumption"
No I can confidently say that advice I would give to men to help them out will work 90% of the time. I've seen the results first hand. When women give advice to men on how to pick them up it always ends with a dude doing all the wrong things and ending up single or with a woman that has lost all respect and sexuay desire for him
Oh God. Another woman hater.
@jerdanro Your attempt to try and shame me for speaking the truth shows your lack of experience and understanding when I comes to dating. There is nothing in my post that is hating women. Add something to the discussion if you have competence in the subject other than "man bad!"
I've been in relationships with women longer than you've been alive. And if you don't hate women why do you think they are whore's
@jerdanro I'll bet money I've had more success women than you have despite that. And I never said all women are whores. She made a bad comparison and I pointed out the flaw in the logic. Saying that women that cheat are whores and that doesn't have correlation to men not putting commitment at the top of their priority list when it comes to dating.
Well if you've had more relationships than I have in half the time, then they must not have been as successful as mine. But thank you for clarifying.
No you're saying men don't care about commitment and that's not true. You're putting YOUR views on all men... And that's the issue... You'll give guys advice based off what you want, how you see women, not how women REALLY are... And that you brag how many women you get... Brag when you can keep ONE happy 😊
You think I couldn't get lots of guys, or bread they they means I'm good with guys... No see I'm more proud that I had that 20 year relationship with one MAN who DID care about commitment and stayed committed to me... So you can say whatever you want, your opinion isn't everybody's reality
@jerdanro Yeah, I've been able to get multiple women to want me by not doing all the wrong things. I'm also married to a good woman so your argument here is stupid. Your lack of experience doesn't make you more knowledgeable.
@StunningANDbrave. I'm sure you did well attracting women. You're a handsome guy. But I don't believe attracting women isn't the same as truly knowing a woman. The screen name is a little arrogant, but maybe it is intended to be lighthearted. I'm glad to hear you're married. You'll grow a lot from that. I really do hope you are in a successful marriage and that it will grow better by the day.
"No you're saying men don't care about commitment and that's not true. You're putting YOUR views on all men... And that's the issue... You'll give guys advice based off what you want, how you see women, not how women REALLY are..."
Men don't care about commitment, that isn't their main goal, they mostly care about having sex with beautiful women. You can be mad about this all you want but it doesn't change the reality, this doesn't mean that men are incapable of commitment it means that our relationship goals are different.
And yes I see how women "really are" that's why I don't bullshit men with bad advice.
"And that you brag how many women you get... Brag when you can keep ONE happy"
I don't care about making women happy, I care about being the best and most successful version of myself and because of that my wife feels happy and content.
*You think I couldn't get lots of guys, or bread they they means I'm good with guys..."
I'm sure you could find a lot of dudes that would sleep with you. But few of them would want to commit and the few that would you wouldn't want to commit to.
"No see I'm more proud that I had that 20 year relationship with one MAN who DID care about commitment and stayed committed to me..."
As would anyone, I think you're getting confused by what I'm saying. I'm not saying that men should not commit, I'm saying that commitment isn't their main priority, when they are with a good woman that compliments their lives and they get together he should stay keep his integrity and stay loyal.
"So you can say whatever you want, your opinion isn't everybody's reality"
A lot of people would rather subscribe to comforting lies that piss them off and confuse them once reality slaps them in the face. I'm not one of those people.
@jerdanro Well I appreciate the compliment, and wish you well in dating/marriage too. My looks have made it somewhat easy to get women's attention but that doesn't mean anything if men do the wrong things and turn women off.
@StunningANDbrave. I think you are absolutely correct for men at your stage of life, but most people change as they get older. And everyone's journey has it's own milestones and timelines. Younger men do tend to prefer conquest. That is part of what makes us men. But once they've had children or finished sowing their wild oats, many men do begin to prioritize committment. That is natural and can be critical when raising children. I am amicably divorced. My ex-wife is one of my best friends. That's how we started out and that is how we are now. The relationship didn't fail, it just changed. She is family and we will always love eachother. What I want now is a committed relationship with I love mentally, emotionally, and physically. I am focused on committment. We are just in different stages of life. I'm not saying you are destined to feel as I do. Many men never do. And that isn't a judgement.
And, I agree about being careful not to turn a woman off.
@jerdanro I see your prospective and agree that priorities change with different phases in our lives, I don't have much criticism for what you're describing as I don't have as much experience in terms of a long term marriage. The issue is that women will give men advice on how to be a "good" husband without wanting a husband in the first place. The kind of treatment they are describing they want is from a man that has already been a boyfriend to them first if you understand what I'm meaning. Which often lead to dudes coming across as too available, too needy, and unchallenging.
I agree with that.
women don't even know what the fuck they want so of course this isn't true.
And you're the expert on all women... See that's the problem... Men acting like experts on women and generalizing/lumping all women as the same... And all guys know what they want? So then why when some guys have what they say they want, a woman that wants sex as much as they do, do they still cheat? And so then should I say all men that way... I think we all just want to be treated as ourselves and not some bullshit stereotype
@Brainsbeforebeauty Don't look at the words, look at the results. What do you see people actually doing? How many people are, 'do as I say, not as I do'?
@Floppy2112 But isn't that the point, don't do what others are doing if what they're doing is wrong... If I jump off my roof today you gonna do it too?
If the way men and women are currently trading each other isn't working, then find a different better way... And I'm sorry but taking advice from bitter men who may not even be telling the real truth why their relationship failed isn't the better way
That's one group of men. Is there any particular piece of advice you are adverse to?
@Floppy2112 yeah
*Lie to women, cuz they don't want to hear the truth... Uhh yeah that's so not true
*Women care more about your money than about being yourself-that may need true for some women's but not ALL women
People need to just stop treating people like they "think" they are and go by how they "really" are...
"*Lie to women, cuz they don't want to hear the truth" - I have not heard that given as legit advice. Some people may believe that, but not in the realm of the actual experts.
"*Women care more about your money than about being yourself-that may need true for some women's but not ALL women" Would you date a guy who is flat broke?
@Floppy2112 See that's too vague... It's they why that matters... Flat broke cuz sitting around playing video games trying to live off parents or women, no!
Broke from bad things in life, but working on it, then that's different... It's not always where someone is, it's how they got there and where they trying to go from there
@Brainsbeforebeauty I like you but I gave you a generalized answer to a generalized question. You made a generalization in your question so I made a generalized answer.
I retract you did say "some men". To answer your question then I am a guy and sometimes I don't' even know what I want. However what you do expect from us? We ask you women on here too of all places where you can even be anonymous what you want. We either get very few answers or a response like this "well all women are different" Yes we know that but tell us what you like. When anyone asks these type of questions especially on the internet its implied that we know everyone is gonna like something different. We just wanna know all the different responses in what women like. Saying "well I like confidence" is not really an answer because its such a broad answer. Closed mouths don't get fed.
The whole thing is vague. It's vague to say that women give better advice than men and vice versa. Because I have heard terrible advice from both and good advice from both. I don't concede the point that women give better relationship advice than men. Women tend to be the ones who end relationships most of the time about 80% of the time. And the voice of women and the message that 'women, good' and 'men, bad' over the past 30, 40 years, has had terrible consequences on our society because men have in large part be shut out of the conversation all together. So men are starting to speak up, some say stupid shit, some say smart shit.
Instead of this gender war crap, why can't we just sit down and hammer out a deal that works for both parties?
I know you know this, but I am guessing out of emotion you made a gender war engaging post. So of course people are going to react.
@Floppy2112 It's not about who can better advise you about what a woman wants and I agree it's too vague.. Just because I'm a woman, I can't tell you what ALL women want, I can only tell you what I want... The point is men can't tell you what I want and be right unless they personally know me and I've told them... This isn't too say women give better relationship advice or men do... It's listen to the person you're trying to date not men who aren't even successful in their own dating lives...
Don't take advice from men that hate women how to date or keep a woman..
🤷🏼♀️
We are dealing with generalities here. You have specific wants and needs, but you don't necessarily move like other women. And I don't move like other men. And I don't take advice from men who hate women. And I have had about all the advice I can stand. And I understand where I stand and I am okay with it. The risks of me dying alone are pretty high, but that's better than being in a bad relationship.
@Floppy2112 "The risks of me dying alone are pretty high, but that's better than being in a bad relationship." I agree same here
Are you concurring that I will die alone and that's a good thing? Gee thanks! :)
@Floppy2112 No lolol I meant me
I'm sure most of guys are saying stuff out of experience of their own or people they know
Probably because women constantly contradict themselves.
Because from experience they either always lie about what they want or change their mind altogether, so you might never know exactly what they want but you can damn sure say its not what they say they want
So you've experienced every woman on the planet🤔 Now see, if this was a woman's reply, how many guys would be saying "you like the bad boys" ... Men say women pass up the "nice guys" but sounds like you passing up the "nice girls" ... So maybe find better women to date🤷🏼♀️
No I am talking about the ones from my experience
But the problem comes in when you treat the next one based off your past experiences and not her as herself... You can't go in with preconceived negative views about a woman and expect positive results... If a man treats me Negatively because other women treated him negatively that's going to end things right there, because then he's not seeing "me" or treating "me" the way I deserve to be treated
I don't but im not even suprised anymore if it happens
Arrogance.
Right!!
No but women are indecisive and indecisive people are easy to manipulate
not all of them are... most girls at my school nowadays just walk up to the guy they like and ask if they wanna go out. LOL most of the time the guys are the indecisive ones (at my school at least)
that was my younger sister
@2018life those girls sound pretty whore-ish it’s sad to see the young ones behave in such a way
That's not whoreish.
@Jamie05rhs yea it’s desperate and thirsty af = whores
Disagree.
@Jamie05rhs then you sir are what they call a... dummyhead
Lost touch of what needs and wants are for woman only if I could keep my pecker in my pants
Women don’t know what they want; they know what they’re told that they should want.
See, this answer probes my point... You think you KNOW how all women think, behave... You do realize ALL women aren't the same, right🤔 Unless you've "personally" known or been with all women, don't act like you know🤷🏼♀️
I’ve actually read up on the topic and the research that has gone into this area. Women literally only make decisions based on what the group decides is correct. This is why women have preselection bias towards men that are already with another woman and allows them to consider taken men to be safe while there’s a fairly significant fear of single men.
This is not hard documentation to find, but we both know you’re not actually going to look into it and that you’ll just rely on your gut feeling as truth.
🙄🙄 okay and let me guess, men wrote it🤣
Depends on the guy not all are selfish
How can men know what women want when women don't know what women want?
But who says women don't know what they want? Men! just because people say something, don't make it true🤷🏼♀️
Lol no.. women say they don't know what they want. Or is very indecisive.
Or they would say this is what they want and then change their mind.
Have your tried asking women what they want to eat? They either say they don't care or tell me to pick.
Did you ever think it's because some women are uncomfortable ordering when they're not the ones paying?
Lol who said they weren't paying?
Let the war begin 😈😂
Women literally want men to be 6ft+ CEOs built like a brick shithouse and if you're not you're cursed to be an incel your entire life lel
That's bullshit. That's an excuse men use instead of looking to themselves. Funny, I know a lot of married couples where the husband doesn't fit that description.
But this Answer here is the whole point of this post. Spreading mistruths about what women want like they're facts
Ah yes, it's my fault I'm autistic, low IQ, under 6ft, hard gainer in the gym and look like a bashed crab with acne scars. Notice how guys without my problems have girlfriends? Send me actual proof that I'm wrong and I'll legit shut my mouth
Because if women can’t decide something simple like what they want to eat how are they going to decide anything else
Well gee I had no trouble not only deciding what I wanted to eat today but also preparing it myself😊
Male bravado
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