Do women really have to worry about “biological clock” ?

[nella965]

there is a good chance that I will be single until I am 40. If I don’t have a husband by the time I’m 35, I can always have a few kids of my own. Create a family of my own. I don’t get why people are constantly talking about “biological clock”. Women are designed to give birth and we can always have kids if we want them. Why worry about infertility at 45, if you are still fertile at 35?

[Leavesbound]

While many women can have children well into their 40s and some even into their 50s, generally, the older a woman is the more problems occur with the pregnancy. Any woman over 50 has a higher risk of the child being born with birth defects or Down's syndrome. This is elevated somewhat even at 40. healthiest pregnancies occur between 20 and 40. My mother had a radical hysterectomy at age 39 though I forget the medical issue that made that necessary. She had her last child at age 29. Her mother had her last child at 44 and my uncle was born with Down's syndrome and passed away at age 59. My father's brother's wife had a baby at 43 and that child was also born with Down's syndrome. This is far more common with older mothers. There really is a biological clock but it is not the same for everyone and there are things that can slow it down. If you are planning to have children I recommend you try to do that before turning 40.

[Ayanna240]

I can have kids at 30,32, 35 or 40. A woman can have kids whenever she wants. Why wait if you can still have kids?

[Leavesbound]

@Ayanna240 You are correct but the longer you wait the less healthy the pregnancy is likely to be and I specifically advised against waiting.

[nella965]

Pregnancy is usually high chance of being safe for women up to 36 years. all the women in my family birthed in their 30s, we all ended up turning out fine

[Anonymous]

Pregnancy is very hard and even more difficult mid thirties to forties. It is also difficult to support a family without a father and his career.

[nella965]

My mother had me at 37 and my brother at 40. All the aunts and uncles in my family had kids in 30s. We all turned out fine

So don’t come on here and say that women in 30s can’t give birth.

[Opinion Owner]

Your reading comprehension is already bad. Mid thirties is difficult. Unless you start having children earlier, trying to start mid thirties is hard. My mother had children from 24 - 40, but she started at 24. Women starting at 35+ may take over a year or two to conceive and that pregnancy isn't guaranteed.

[nella965]

My mother had me at 37 and my brother at 40. All the women in my family such as my aunts, cousins ALL HAD CHILDREN IN THEIR 30S. None of us at all are autistic or disabled in any way shape or form.

I honestly think this notion that women in their 30s find it super difficult to conceive or always birth disabled kids IS WAYY OVERBLOWN.

Women can safely have kids up until age of 36. Its only late 30s when more problems arise. Meghan Markle just gave birth to a perfectly healthy baby at the age of 38.

[nella965]

My aunts all gave birth to my cousins in their early to mid 30s. And I'm just gonna tell you that I have 8 cousins total. None of us are autistic, disabled, down syndrome. We are all grown, college educated and have our own careers. I have another cousin who just gave birth to 2 daughters at the age of 34. Now they are ages 5-8, perfectly healthy.

You need to stop perpetuating the idea that all kids born to mothers in their 30s, must be fucked up.
Because there are TONS of women out there who have perfectly healthy kids in their 30s

[Opinion Owner]

You certainly act autistic, because I literally said none of the things you said I did. You even contradicted yourself multiple times. Factual reality is after 35 pregnancy become more difficult for most women. If a woman starts before this time, e. g. an established mother she will have a better chance of conceiving then a woman who just started after 35. Regardless of your staw man delusions and anecdotal evidence, this is the reality for most women.

[Anonymous]

I think like everything else, things get exaggerated and women think all kinds of different things. But yes and no. Always go to science for these things and it says that yes, after 35, things SLOWLY start to decline for having children, and over 40, even more so, but that doesn't mean you can't still. And everyone is different. But so many women think they have to have them in their 20's, no you don't. And especially if you're not financially ready or have the right partner. I think it's sad actually the "pressure" women get about it, often from other women I might add lol.

[nella965]

I don’t think there should be a pressure. If I’m single by a certain age, I can just have children. there is no pressure. It’s always what I wanted to do.

[NamerOfStars]

Basic interhuman compassion. Yes, you may still be fertile at 35, but even by that point, the risks of birth defects are rising, and fast. Even if you're willing to take on the burden of raising a disabled child who's never going to be able to live a normal life, is it fair to pass that burden on to them, just because you're afraid of being a genetic dead end?

[nella965]

My mother had me at 37 and I turned out perfectly fine. I can also decide to have kids earlier at 34 if I want.

[nella965]

My mother even birthed my brother at 40 without problems. He’s a mechanical engineer right now.

[NamerOfStars]

Sure- it's not a guarantee. Sometimes it works out fine. But you're not the one who'll be paying the price if it goes wrong.

[nella965]

Overwhelming majority of the time , a woman can have a child up to 36 years without problems. It’s only late 30s when problems occur such as 37-40. But 7.5 /10 of these pregnancies usually turn out fine.

Having kids in your 20s also does not garuantee That they will come out well. I have seen 28 yr olds birth autistic kids

[nella965]

Issues usually occur when a woman gives birth 37-40.

And even in the ages 37-40, 7.5 out of every 10 births end up being normal / fine.

[nella965]

All the women in my family birthed in their 30s. None of us or my nieces and nephews are born with birth defects or are autistic.

I believe that the hype of birth issues associated with women in their 30s is wayy overblown and over hyped.
It happens less often than you think.

There is a high chance things will turn out fine if she is under 37

[Anonymous]

Don't worry about your kids not having a father; who fucking needs fathers? You can do a simply wonderful job as both mother and father and I'm sure you will defy all the statistics about the horrible outcomes for kids who grow up with only one parent. How perfectly unselfish of you!

[nella965]

Single Moms' Sons Can Succeed, New Research Shows

www.google.com/.../story%3fid=5687285

[GingerCatLover]

Same could be said of thoughtless inconsiderate single fathers.

[Opinion Owner]

1. ABC News is scarcely an authoritative source to quote for any fact whatsoever.

2. The source you quote is 13 years old.

3. The source you quote is obviously politically driven with its references to Obama, growing up in a single parent home, and preparing to accept the nomination for the presidency.

4. According to the source YOU quoted, "For decades, researchers have said children from two-parent families do better than those raised by a single parent. That's still true, they say."

5. I never said that it is impossible for children to be raised in single parent homes and succeed. It merely stacks the deck against them. Is that what YOU would want to do to YOUR children?

So what is the point of citing this article?

[Opinion Owner]

@GingerCatLover Yes, although the outcome statistics for kids raised by single fathers are somewhat better than the statistics for kids raised just by their moms. Kids are almost always better being raised with both a mother and a father in the home.

[GingerCatLover]

@Anonymous - I agree. If nothing else I have found that single fathers are, in ways, more responsible. Maybe it's just I grew up as a teen in a welfare town but the norm was single mothers with little actual care for their children, sitting on welfare & having a half dozen men in the house throughout any given month.

[nella965]

Children of single parents grow up just as successful as peers

nypost.com/.../

[nella965]

@GingerCatLover I have also met single fathers who do not care for their children. Such things cannot be assumed solely based on gender. Its an individual type thing. Just because you saw a few good single dads, it does not mean all single dads are good parents. There are a ton of dads who abandon their children. You cannot make such blanketed statements

[Opinion Owner]

That blanket statement isn't what the article actually said if you read past the title. And it's only based on one study.

[Opinion Owner]

@nella965 She didn't make the blanket statement; you did.

[GingerCatLover]

@nella965 - I'm not you goofball, can you not read? I see you conveniently ignored the slut-factor of the welfare tramp single mothers I mentioned.

[nella965]

@Anonymous,

[That blanket statement isn't what the article actually said if you read past the title. And it's only based on one study.]

There are miltple studies and links on the internet proving that single moms can raise successful children.

here's more:

https://www.moms.com/single-moms-are-doing-good/

nypost.com/.../

You have no study proving that single dads are better parents than single moms.

[nella965]

@GingerCatLover [ I'm not you goofball, can you not read? I see you conveniently ignored the slut-factor of the welfare tramp single mothers I mentioned.]

Thats not an excuse to make such blanketed statements. Not all single moms are welfare tramps. And you know that perfectly. But you chose to say it anyways.

Where is your consideration for all the single moms out there who work their asses off to raise their children?

[Opinion Owner]

The question is not whether it is possible for single moms to raise good kids. Of course they can. . . but it is far less likely than the outcome for kids in two-parent homes.

[nella965]

@Opinion owner, I grew up in an abusive household where two parents loved each other very much. I can tell you for sure that I would have been way better off growing up with 1 loving single mom than two shitty parents. Its about the quality of the parenting, not the quantity.

Nobody cares about how many pizzas you have , if they taste like shit.

I had an abusive father all throughout my life. I honestly wished i had no father.

[Opinion Owner]

I NEVER sad that EVERY two parent household is better then EVERY single parent household. You are simply grinding your axe about your past, and my post is giving you a convenient venue to express your rage. You don't want to discuss the issue in any academic sense, you just want to emote some of your hurt from the past. I understand that.

[ShangVal]

Almost every woman is aware that they can have kids on their own but that's not the issue tho, men are more than just sperm donors and also a lot of women do not worry about the biological clock for child bearing reasons only. Men are naturally attracted to fertile women even if they themselves don't want kids.

[Ayanna240]

Just because you are attracted to more fertile women , it doesn’t mean these young attractive fertile women want you. When you’re 40 years old, it’s kind hard to attract a woman in her 20s when she has so many hotter , handsome , stronger younger men in their late 20s-30s competing against you

[Ayanna240]

It’s better to be a woman because she is guaranteed a family, she can always have kids if she wants. But men can’t have kids unless They find love.

Men waiting , getting older and uglier by the year and still hoping that a young woman of child bearing age will pay any him any attention.

[ShangVal]

That's the thing tho... women aren't attracted to men for the same reasons. Women in their 20s are looking for stability, maturity and wisdom and all of that comes with age. Statistics show that women in the 20s prefer older men because they tend to be more mature and financially stable so they find an older man who takes care of himself hotter than men in their late 20s who are still trying to figure out their lives and build a career. Usually women who're ready to settle down don't go for men who're still looking to party out all night so they go for more mature men. Plus, it doesn't matter how old a man is, there is no time limit on his child bearing machine.

[Ayanna240]

Empirical evidence has also accumulated in support of women's preferences for older men, and as you might expect, the data often overlap with those data supporting men's preferences. As this sample of Conroy-Beam and Buss's (2019) review suggests:

Cross-culturally, women report wanting partners who are (on average) 3.5 years older than them.
In online dating, women make the first contact with older men at a greater than rate they do younger men.
Marriage records show that women are marrying men who are older than they are by about 3 years.

www.google.com/.../what-we-know-about-age-gaps-in-dating-love-and-marriage%3famp

[Ayanna240]

en.m.wikipedia.org/.../Age_disparity_in_sexual_relationships

There is evidence women prefer older men just on average 3.5 years older, not men that are 10+ years older

[Ayanna240]

Just because a young woman wants an older man, it doesn’t mean she is looking for an old guy 10+ years older. She is looking for someone just a few years older.

[Ayanna240]

Women get financially stable as they get older too.

[Ayanna240]

“ Usually women who're ready to settle down don't go for men who're still looking to party out all night so they go for more mature men. Plus, it doesn't matter how old a man is, there is no time limit on his child bearing machine.”

You do realize men age too right? A mans prime is late 20s- early 30s. A woman will always pick a 31 yr old man over a 40 yr old man. If you’re not attracted to white hairs and wrinkles on women, don’t expect a women to like white hairs and wrinkles on men.

Most women in their 20s are still having fun enjoying life and not willing to settle down anyways. Statistics also show overwhelming majority of women date men around their age

So quit overblowing how young women are attracted to old guys. WE aren't

[ShangVal]

I'm not disputing the fact that women get financial independence but the cost of that is much more for women than it is for men.. women generally have to sacrifice relationships and families to climb that social hierarchy to the top and trust me, a lot of them end up miserable.

That's an outdated statistic. It used to be that women would keep it below 5 years but that stigma had been removed and more and more women are going for men well above 10 years older and even more celebrities are doing that.

For some reason you limit the age of women below 25 but a woman at 38 can still have healthy babies.

[ShangVal]

Men do age but 3ven at 60 a man can still shoot some good game.

[Ayanna240]

It’s more common for celebrity men to marry women 20 years younger because they are FAMOUS AND RICH. Are you famous and rich? Are you high status? No your not. Overwhelming majority of men will never reach that kinda status ever in their lives

When was the last time you saw a 40 yr old man dating a woman In her 20s? It’s extremely rare and uncommon. Everytime you walk out onto streets , you see young people dating other young people.

Older people dating older people. We rarely ever see a couple with more than a 10 year age difference

Yea right. Continue bull shitting about how young women are still having kids with 60 yr old men. Obsessing over Rare exceptions seem to make you feel better about young women not being attracted to you as you get older

[Ayanna240]

These statistics are not outdated at all. The Article was written in 2019.

[ShangVal]

😄😄😄.. stop with the strawmans. It's funny because I'm not a celebrity, a nobody actually but I've actually had 4 girls who're at least 8 years younger than me crush on me but what do I know.. now, these were all introverts and very smart girls so It explains why they'd naturally go for someone older and experience but yeah, I get it, you prefer men your age or maybe even younger because there's so much you didn't do in your teens and you wanna feel that gap but like I said.. nature women who are serious about settling down go for more mature and older men. Women like you who still looking to party and stuff go for men who're looking to do the same stuff.

[ShangVal]

The article itself maybe from 2019 but the statistics quoted in the article is from 2017.. did you even read your proof text?

[Ayanna240]

2017 is also recent. And I expect it to stay the same this way for years Into the future. Even back then in the 1950s, married couples were just a few years apart. Now it is still the same.

What makes you think that women were ever attracted to men 10+ years older?

Your supply of young women will run out by the time you hit 35-40. It’s only a matter of time before you realize that aging is catching up to you and that you are no longer attracting girls like you used to

[Ayanna240]

Women do like older men but not too much older. I’m 26 and I only date guys 33 and under. Not 36 or 40 yr old guys. I like guys in their prime

[Ayanna240]

A young woman will always pick a 31 yr old over a 40 yr old. Just being honest right here

Your incredible dreams about a 23 yr old dating a 40 yr old are false and rarely ever happen. Your dreams about yourself still having kids at 60 are never gonna happen. In real life , Women find 60 yr olds disgusting.

Continue lying to yourself that you get hotter as you get older.

[Ayanna240]

I don’t even understand why you are arguing about it. There’s statistics that prove you wrong

[ShangVal]

Lol. The fact you're choosing extreme examples mean that you looked it up and realized that a 10 year gap is very possible. Here's a scientific perspective on the issue..

[ShangVal]

Unfortunately I'm not able to share links..

In any case, I knowledge the fact that some people do naturally prefer younger men but just like with everything, there's always gonna be exceptions but you can't make a rule out of an exception.

You're 26.. trust me, a lot of men your age or 2to4 years older would think you're too old to date.. the fact is, men prefer younger women and most women prefer older men.

Statistics show that 90% of men are hebephilia.

[Ayanna240]

According to statistics , overwhelming majority of couples have between a 0-5 year age gap.

age gaps of 10+ years are DRASTICALLY LESS COMMON.

You can take at the Wikipedia link posted above for the statistics

[ShangVal]

I did check the wiki link and the only reason I considered it was because it provided statistics from an outside source.. it is true that majority of couples have a 0to5 year gap but again overwhelming majority of those marriages end up in a divorce within the first 5 years.. couples with a much bigger age gap have more stable and lasting marriages..

[Ayanna240]

“ You're 26.. trust me, a lot of men your age or 2to4 years older would think you're too old to date.. the fact is, men prefer younger women and most women prefer older men.

Statistics show that 90% of men are hebephilia.”

I prefer older men but just 5-6 years older, on average. Not 10-16 years older.

Trust me by the time you’re 40 , you would be dying for a 29 yr olds attention. Sure you wouldn’t date 29 yr old right now but you would be desperate for her when you get old

Keep acting as you will be young and hot forever until one day aging hits you in the face when you least saw it coming

[Aimée__LJ]

The older you get the more likely there is to be complications

[EmmaMary]

@Aimée__LJ You just beat me to putting the very same thing.

[Aimée__LJ]

@EmmaMary yeah I thought this was a very well known thing

[EmmaMary]

@Aimée__LJ Well you certainly would have thought so, I just found it amazing that a woman would even need to ask this in the first place.

[nella965]

You don’t even understand the reason why I’m asking this question. This question is not asking do risk of problems get higher as people age.

The question being asked is “why would women need to worry about infertility if she can have kids anytime in life prior to 40?”

[nella965]

@EmmaMary @Aimée__LJ

[Crazybeeguy]

Do you want to be a single mother?
It sounds like you are having a hard time finding a good life partner?

[Aimée__LJ]

I don't think people really worry about fertility though it affects many people. Finding out you can't have kids at 35 would be risky it can take years for infertility treatments to work and then you are suddenly at the age where pregnancy becomes high risk. Not to mention you have a kid late 30s say 38, you'll be quickly nearing retirement by the time they move out which means after raising this child into a wonderful adult ($$$$) you have very few years to earn back enough money to retire comfortably.

[nella965]

@Crazybeeguy Women do not need a life time partner to have children. Men need to find a partner in order to have children

[nella965]

@Aimée__LJ

My aunts all gave birth to my cousins in their early to mid 30s. And I'm just gonna tell you that I have 8 cousins total. None of us are autistic, disabled, down syndrome. We are all grown, college educated and have our own careers. I have another cousin who just gave birth to 2 daughters at the age of 34. Now they are ages 5-8, perfectly healthy.

You need to stop perpetuating the idea that all kids born to mothers in their 30s, must be fucked up.
Because there are TONS of women out there who have perfectly healthy kids in their 30s.

Infertility and birth defects usually show up late 30s and onwards. But even so, there are many women out there who birth perfectly healthy children in their late 30s such as Gabrielle union, Meghan Markle.

[Aimée__LJ]

I literally never said that... s

[Crazybeeguy]

You're right, well I hope you have great paying work that will give you all the time you need off when you need it off. Hopefully, they will pay you a full salary. Well get a remote worker job so you can stay home and take care of a child while working. Hmmm I think I am going to invest in companies that can help men have children without a women involved. I do however want children with a loving home with her mother that doesn't hate men.

[Mangospacho]

Just out of curiosity, what is keeping you from getting married until 14 years from now? Fertility does decrease over time especially getting into your 30s. It’s not impossible to have kids in your 30s but it can get more complicated.

[Ayanna240]

It only gets complicated when you enter your late 30s. All the women in my family have birth in 30s without a problem. My mother had me at 37 and I turns out fine

[Mangospacho]

@Ayanna240 Right. It is absolutely possible to have kids in your 30s but the risk of infertility does increase. If you want to start having kids until you’re in your 40s, you can do that but you are not guaranteed to have a child when you start trying to conceive at 40.

[Ayanna240]

why would you think that a woman needs to be extremely extremely extremely extremely extremely fertile to have kids?

There are plenty of women in their 30s having kids. You don’t need to be ridiculously fertile to have a child.

[Ayanna240]

For the First Time Ever, More Women in Their 30s Are Having Babies Than Younger Women

www.parents.com/.../

[Mangospacho]

@Ayanna240 You’re saying you’re going to wait until you’re 40, though. And yes, there was not a big difference in fertility for us in our 30s than when we were in our 20s. Realistically, you have a 50/50 shot getting pregnant after age 40 - that’s a huge risk.

[Ayanna240]

If I were to get pregnant in my 40s , I will still birth my baby. What makes you think I will abort it?

[Mangospacho]

@Ayanna240 I never said you’d abort your baby.

[JesseJayNeak]

@Ayanna240 so, the answer is yes. So, instead of making up this "I don't want marriages to be broken" bullshit, you could have just said that from the start

[nella965]

@JesseJayNeak look at whose angry that men are not needed when it comes to having kids!

[JesseJayNeak]

So, men should go extinct and wome' would be fine? Is that wait you're saying?

[nella965]

@JesseJayNeak I’m not saying that. But it’s just what the reality looks like

[JesseJayNeak]

That's a big implication tho. That you can live just fine without men. That's what I understood

[nella965]

@JesseJayNeak It’s just what the world situation looks like. I got nothing to do with it

[JesseJayNeak]

But isn't that what you meant with what you said? Aka men are disposable?

[Mangospacho]

@JesseJayNeak It’s pretty clear now that this may be a total waste of time. If @nella965 hits 42, 3 years before she starts a family, and starts peri-menopause, is she going to go back and apologize to the people who told her it’s not guaranteed you can conceive in your 40s? If the answer is no, then it is pointless to debate her because she has already made her mind up and at this point, I’m convinced it may not be a bad thing if she never reproduces.

[JesseJayNeak]

I mean who wants to be with a woman in her 30s that thinks that men are disposable?

[Mangospacho]

Same goes for you @Ayanna240. I don’t know why you would try to tell someone that they’re better off trying to start a family when it’s too late.

[nella965]

@mangospacho

I think that’s likely to be you. When you hit 42, realize that you’re still single unmarried and no kids. Getting older and uglier by the year. You’re gonna start getting desperate because you’re no longer attracting women in their 20s like you used to.

so then you’re gonna go back and apologize to all the 30 something yr old woman you used to reject when you were younger

It’s better to be a single 40 yr old woman because they can have kids and start their own family. Single men can’t have kids. All you’re gonna do is continue sitting and waiting and get older and uglier by the year , still hoping that a young woman will pay any attention to you one day

[nella965]

@mangospacho. You don’t have to worry about us starting a family too late. We don’t have to wait until we are 42 to start a family. We can pick to have a child at 30, 35 or 40.

Only someone like you would have to wait. We don’t have to wait. I can decide to have a child at 29 , 33 or 38.

[Mangospacho]

@nella965 Doesn’t that just disprove your point? You are asking why you can’t wait until you’re 45 to start having kids? You’re backtracking on your point by then changing your argument saying that “people have kids in the 40s all the time” then when I disagree you say “people have kids in their 30s all the time with no problem”. Stick to an argument.

[nella965]

@mangospacho. Overwhelming majority of people have kids in their 30s. Very few people have kids in their 40s. I don’t plan on having kids in my 40s because I want to enjoy retirement. Reality is having kids in 40s will be much harder on your body and you will have a delayed retirement or no retirement at all

[nella965]

You must be joking if you think I’m planning on having kids at 45. Nobody wants to have kids at 45.

Usually if you’re a man who is still single by 40 ( no girlfriend or wife), there is 90% chance you will never have kids in your life.

On the other hand, you can be a single 40 yr old woman with 2 kids.

[nella965]

Reality is , women of child bearing age are YOUNG. Overwhelming majority of them are not looking for old grandpas or fat old uncles with white hairs to have kids with. Young women are surrounded by plenty of handsome young men that are Stronger, younger as sexier.

[JesseJayNeak]

Aka what 30 year old women are not

[Mangospacho]

So questions for both @nella965 and @Ayanna240. What makes you think it’s automatic that a guy will marry you after you used a guy to have kids that aren’t his? And what makes you think that the guy who impregnated you won’t seek custody for the child he helped create after you’re married?

[nella965]

@mangospacho what makes you think a woman must have a guy to have kids with? never heard of a sperm bank? never heard of a one night stand?

And its not uncommon for fathers to abandon their children nowadays anyways. Take a look at how many single moms there are without baby daddies. Only 46% of single mothers receive child support.
The message is clear: men are not necessary to birthing and raising kids.

[nella965]

@JesseJayNeak Well if you're 40 years old and these 25 yr old women do not want you. You would have to settle for a 30 something yr old. But problem is, overwhelming majority of 30 something yr old women do not want 40 yr old men either cuz you're old and ugly.

[JesseJayNeak]

So you're calling us disposable

[JesseJayNeak]

What makes you so sure about that?

[Mangospacho]

@nella965 So your point is that men are all worthless bums and you don’t need us. And you’re surprised some of us are going to disagree with you? Hey, if that’s what you want, though, good luck bearing the cost of raising a child by yourself while you collect nothing in child support and work 2-3 jobs just so you can prove that you don’t need men.

[nella965]

@JesseJayNeak because i have been on a lot of dating forums. Women in their 30s highly prefer someone around her own age. Lots of them constantly say they want someone 5 years younger or older. But a lot of the men around their age prefer younger women. And a lot of these women in their mid 30s really do not want someone in his 40s because they are seen as past their prime. Men get less physically attractive as they get older, just like women. You are not exempt from aging.

[JesseJayNeak]

True, the difference is we age better

[JesseJayNeak]

And second why should a man search for a woman with little to no sex appeal if she's gonna dump him anyway? It's nonsense

[nella965]

@mangospacho I don't know what is up with the notion that all women are broke poor bitches who can't raise their own kids. And all this commotion about how women look for financial stability in a man. I will TELL YOU THE TRUTH HERE.

WOMEN GET MOER FINANCIALLY STABLE AS THEY GET OLDER JUST LIKE MEN. THERE ARE MORE WOMEN THAN MEN IN COLLEGE. WOMEN ARE JUST AS CAPABLE OF MAKING MONEY JUST LIKE MEN. THERE ARE LOTS OF EDUCATED PROFESSIONAL WOMEN OUT THERE WHO MAKE WAY MORE THAN THE AVERAGE JOE.

PERSONALLY I WENT TO COLLEGE WITH MANY GIRLS WHO ENDED UP GRADUATING AND WORKING AT PRESITGIOUS FIRMS AS LICENSED ACCOUNTANTS. ITS ONLY BEEN 3 years SINCE SHE GRADUATED AND SHE IS NOW MAKING 90K.

ANOTHER GIRL WHO I MET IN COLLEGE, IS NOW A NURSE ATTENDING GRADUATE SCHOOL TO BECOME A NURSE PRACTITIONER. HER CURRENT SALARY IS 85K. AFTER SHE GETS HER NP LICENSE, IT WILL SHOOT UP TO OVER 100K.

i honestly do not know where this notion that "women can never make their own money" comes from.
When you have more women in college than men, do you really think these women need to work 2-3 jobs along with child support just to make ends meet? I dont think so.

[JesseJayNeak]

Comes from the fact that despite being "independent" they leech off out of child support and alimony payments. That's not independence

[nella965]

@JesseJayNeak Not all men age better. I'm currently 25, almost 26 and I won't date guys that are balding, or have white hairs, or are fat. Frequently many guys go balding and gain weight as they approach 34/35.

I know plenty of 28-30 yr olds who still have a full head of shining hair, skinny, no wrinkles, fit.
why would I go for a 38 yr old if I can have these younger, hotter guys?

[nella965]

@JesseJayNeak Most men who need to pay child support, do not even end up paying child support because they make too little money. Educated women who make decent money do not need child support. they can afford to raise kids on their own

[JesseJayNeak]

And that's why you came out with this anti-marriage idea

[nella965]

@JesseJayNeak The more options that someone has, the more picky they will be. Currently I am 25/26, I still have plenty of young handsome guys 28-32 , who are not balding, to pick from. So I don't have to settle.

But if i were 35, I would be more willing to date some 38 yr old guy with white hair, balding, slightly fat.

[JesseJayNeak]

And that's exactly why women your age have such difficulty finding partners. Because you believe that your youth is endless

[nella965]

@JesseJayNeak Does it really matter? I can have a family without a man anyways.

[JesseJayNeak]

And that's why men will avoid you. Because of this mentality. And yes, it matters a lot

[nella965]

@JesseJayNeak I think women avoid men who think that 30 something yr old women are completely undesirable. Because there's nothing as shallow as that.

[JesseJayNeak]

That's because it's truth.

[nella965]

@JesseJayNeak Evidence shows that average age of marriage for a woman is 31. There are more women in their 30s giving birth to babies than 20 something yr old women.

[JesseJayNeak]

And if you really believe that riding the cock carousel and then settling down will find you a man then you're in for a delusion

[JesseJayNeak]

From outdated sources

[nella965]

@JesseJayNeak

"And if you really believe that riding the cock carousel and then settling down will find you a man then you're in for a delusion"

I'm not in a hurry to settle down. By the time I am 30 years old, have enough money in my bank account to buy a house , I will start getting pregnant. I don't need a man to get what I want.

[nella965]

@JesseJayNeak why do you think women need to get married in order to have kids? NO WE DON'T

[nella965]

@JesseJayNeak

NOPE IT WASN'T AN OUTDATED SOURCE.

In 2020, the average age of marriage for female participants was 31, while male respondents married at age 33. The average age of marriage in the US therefore falls at 32 years.

www.theknot.com/.../average-age-of-marriage

[JesseJayNeak]

First, you say that we men are disposable and now you expect to find your man when you're in your 30s?

[nella965]

@JesseJayNeak Well most women get married and have kids in their 30s. Evidence shows that. I'm not worried about finding a man in my 30s.

[JesseJayNeak]

Yeah, until he finds out that you're a misandrist

[nella965]

@JesseJayNeak ooh I'm definitely not a misandrist. I'm nice to good men who respect women. But I just bully misogynists' on here. Everyone around know me knows that I am a nice person.

I think the bigger question is, why would a woman want to date a shallow misogynist like you?
do you really think a woman is gonna want to marry a man who tells her that he won't be attracted to her within the next 5 years?

[JesseJayNeak]

The way you talk says otherwise

[JesseJayNeak]

You don't need a man, yet you need his sperm to get pregnant. Pick one, either you need him or you don't

[JesseJayNeak]

"I don't need a man". Women can do good without them. That sounds quite misandrist to me

[nella965]

@JesseJayNeak Its the truth. Just like how you like to say that you are not attracted to 30 yr old women. I PERSONALLY DO NOT NEED A MAN TO HAVE KIDS.

Sorry

[JesseJayNeak]

Sperm comes out of men, doesn't it? So, yes you DO need one

[JesseJayNeak]

Also I'm not the only one. Many young men are not

[nella965]

@JesseJayNeak its funny how misogynists' talk about not wanting "infertile" women because they want kids.

hun, i don't see you having kids any time soon with that misogynistic attitude of yours. No decent sane woman will respect you enough to marry you or have kids with you.

[JesseJayNeak]

Same with your misandrist 2bd wave feminist way of thinking

[JesseJayNeak]

And if a man was respectable, he would avoid a woman with your type of mind

[nella965]

@JesseJayNeak "Sperm comes out of men, doesn't it? So, yes you DO need one"

ohhh... im sorry. are you feeling as if men are worthless now? are you desperately trying to make men sound more important than they really are? haha

no i don't need a man to get pregnant. nor do i need one to raise a child. Hurt? deal with it

[JesseJayNeak]

Typical misandrist who hurt you respinse

[JesseJayNeak]

*response

[nella965]

@JesseJayNeak Even a fat ugly 38 yr old woman wouldn't want to date you. haha. there's no chance you will ever be having kids in your life time. you will just grow into an single lonely old man with no kids.

[nella965]

@JesseJayNeak well thats what you get for a being a misogynist. women will never want to marry you once they find out who you really are. even the world's most undesirable woman wouldn't wanna date you.

[JesseJayNeak]

Oooh, now the curse on my lifetime. It was expected sooner or later

[JesseJayNeak]

From a misandrist perspective like yours, I'd doubt a man would bump you

[JesseJayNeak]

And once men find out who you really are they'll avoid you like the plague

[JesseJayNeak]

Even bums would avoid you

[nella965]

@JesseJayNeak I actually have a lot of guys who have fallen in love with me. I just never returned their feelings.

[JesseJayNeak]

And that proves my point

[nella965]

@JesseJayNeak Men love me. Its not hard to get man to fall for me. But its not my fault if I don't feel the same way.

[JesseJayNeak]

So, you play with their feelings

[JesseJayNeak]

No wonder you wanna do it outside marriage. Because it's easier

[nella965]

@JesseJayNeak no i don't. we just go on a few dates and if i dont feel the same way, there's nothing that can be done about it

[JesseJayNeak]

How many you didn't "feel"?

[nella965]

@JesseJayNeak way too many to count. Went out with lots of guys over the years. Nothing ever worked out.

On the ridiculously rare occasion that i did develop feelings, there was always a deal breaker such as he is too old with kids, or he's old and married, or he has issues / narcissistic / can't hold a decent conversation.

[JesseJayNeak]

How many in numbers?

[nella965]

@JesseJayNeak can't remember.

[JesseJayNeak]

Probably 20 or more then...

[nella965]

@JesseJayNeak this is why i have pretty much given up

[JesseJayNeak]

So you failed with more than 20 guys and you expect men to be attracted to you in your decline?

[nella965]

@JesseJayNeak who said I failed them? I won them over. They LOVED me. I never had a problem making a guy fall for me. Unlike some miosgnist like you, i would be surprised if any woman wants to ever marry you.

I'm very confident that I would have no issues attracting a man in my 30s.

Reality is, if you're a great person with great character. If people naturally like you, you should have absolutely no problem finding love, at any age.

If you're having a really hard time finding love, there is a very good chance that there are a lot of flaws within you

[nella965]

@JesseJayNeak

"So you failed with more than 20 guys and you expect men to be attracted to you in your decline?"

If you are going to rank women's worth solely based on fertility, you will never ever find a woman who will want to be your wife. I will never ever want someone as disgusting as you to be attracted to me. You're the last one any woman wants.

[JesseJayNeak]

Yet you had no problem scratching only the surface. Cut the joke

[JesseJayNeak]

And I'll never want someone as despicable as you by my side

[nella965]

@JesseJayNeak I don't need a man to create a family. You need a woman to create a family. So if you want kids, you will need to please women. So far, everything you have said on here was just plain nasty and disrespectful attitude.

If you are not willing to date a misandrist, do not expect women to want to date a misogynist like you.

If your attitude towards women in 30s is already so terrible, how do you think you will treat your wife once she hits her 30s-40s? I can only imagine nothing but degradation and disrespect along with cheating

[JesseJayNeak]

If mine is disrespectful, then what does your words say about you? You speak about men as if they're your personal toy to play with

[Mangospacho]

@JesseJayNeak It is really funny when they keep saying that no women will want me and that I’ll never have kids. Because I already have both. 😂

[nella965]

@JesseJayNeak Like I said, i don't need a man to have kids. why would it matter?

YOU NEED A WOMAN TO HAVE KIDS. YOU NEED TO PLEASE WOMEN.

HOW MANY TIMES DO I NEED TO REPEAT THAT?

[JesseJayNeak]

Lol, for real 😂

[JesseJayNeak]

So a woman can get herself pregnant. With no men and sperm banks, right?

[nella965]

@mangospacho [ It is really funny when they keep saying that no women will want me and that I’ll never have kids. Because I already have both.]

We all know you're lying. because if you had kids, you wouldn't have gotten so defensive and argumentative.

[JesseJayNeak]

But women don't need men = women don't need sperm. So they can do it themselves. That's what you're saying

[nella965]

@JesseJayNeak

[So a woman can get herself pregnant. With no men and sperm banks, right?]

do i need to please you to get sperm? no. i can say whatever i want to you. i can even give you the middle finger and i can still get pregnant. i don't need to kiss your ass to get some sperm

[nella965]

@JesseJayNeak

[But women don't need men = women don't need sperm. So they can do it themselves. That's what you're saying]

I thought we already knew that. we have been talking about this same topic for the past 4 hours. are you autistic? is that why it took you 4 hrs to understand it?

[JesseJayNeak]

So, what you gonna do? Hook up Brad Pitt or something?

[nella965]

@JesseJayNeak brad pitt is an old man. i only want fresh , new sperm from a highly intelligent, tall, generically suprieror young man

[JesseJayNeak]

So, a toddler then

[nella965]

@JesseJayNeak are you mad that I prefer sperm from a younger man?

[JesseJayNeak]

Why should I be mad? If you want a little boy to give to you, who am I to judge?

[nella965]

@JesseJayNeak so why would you call men over 18, to be "little boys" ?

haha we all know you're in rage now.

[JesseJayNeak]

Because they're young and completely inexperienced towards the advances of a cougar

[nella965]

@JesseJayNeak see? your autistic episodes again.

im not looking for a man, im looking for the best sperm.

[Mangospacho]

@nella965 Having a wife and kids does not help my argument so why say I have them? See, your problem is that you’ll go to any length to win an argument so I doubt any guy could stand you for more than 5 minutes. Lighten up, you have zero kids and zero husband and you’re suddenly an expert on both. You have no idea how challenging it is to raise a child, much less children. Is it so hard to admit that maybe you’re not the expert when it comes to raising children?

[JesseJayNeak]

You can't come at me with a decent argument so now you mock autistic people. I may be younger but even I know better than this

[nella965]

@mangospacho if you had a wife and kids, you wouldn't be on here immaturely defending single 45 yr old men who don't have kids. You will simply state your opinions then leave like a mature adult. you wouldn't be on here being defensive, argumentative and immature. there's no reason for a married man with kids to do that.

[nella965]

@JesseJayNeak Whats your problem with me wanting younger sperm?

[JesseJayNeak]

I don't have a problem. But it does prove the point of the bio clock

[nella965]

@JesseJayNeak I wouldn't take sperm from a man over the age of 26. I only want ivy league sperm from tall , handsome, successful men.

[JesseJayNeak]

- Prince Charming standards? Check ☑
- sees men as disposable? Check ☑
- prefers younger men who are inexperienced and don't know how to handle cougars? Check ☑
- sperm from young guns ease impregnation than older men, so she targets them? Check ☑
You can say you don't fear it but I see a pattern

[nella965]

@JesseJayNeak awww... you clearly are sad that I prefer better sperm from younger men.

[JesseJayNeak]

Why should I be sad? That clearly proves the point that the bio clock concerns you

[nella965]

@JesseJayNeak its funny how you spend hours putting older women down about their biological clock. Yet now you're upset that I prefer sperm from younger men.

I'd thought you would congratulate me for being such a smart woman for preferring younger sperm but obviously you're now passive aggressive.

[JesseJayNeak]

Again, who said that I'm upset? I'm just proving my point. That you'll pump and dump before time's up

[nella965]

@JesseJayNeak

[- prefers younger men who are inexperienced and don't know how to handle cougars? Check ]

this has nothing to do with our topic. I'm shopping for sperm, not men.

[JesseJayNeak]

Yes, it does. Since it's me that have sperm

[nella965]

@JesseJayNeak i don't want you or your sperm. there's nothing high quality about you.

[JesseJayNeak]

Same with you.

[nella965]

@JesseJayNeak your mother must've dropped you when you were a baby , in order for you to turn out the way you are

[JesseJayNeak]

Going after my mama now? You must be really desperate

[nella965]

@JesseJayNeak no im going after you.

[JesseJayNeak]

Then why did you mention my mother? Are you that desperate to win the argument

[nella965]

@JesseJayNeak I already won. What makes you think you won?

[JesseJayNeak]

Using toddler insults like autistic which is harmful to autistic people? Or going after the mama of others? Denying your biology? Yeah, you haven't proven me wrong

[JesseJayNeak]

What makes you think that you won?

[nella965]

@JesseJayNeak of course you’re autistic , you think I’m shopping for men when In reality I’m shopping for sperm

Not to mention your misogyny reeks

This is why your mother must’ve dropped you when you were a baby to turn out into something like you

[JesseJayNeak]

Ooh, accusing somebody else to be autistic because he doesn't agree with you. Not only manipulating and misandrist but ableist too now, huh?

[nella965]

@JesseJayNeak I won because you argued with me when I asserted that men are not needed when it comes to having children.

[JesseJayNeak]

If men are not needed, then sperm isn't needed either. That's what you were saying this whole time

[JesseJayNeak]

Quite a flawed argument if you ask me

[nella965]

@JesseJayNeak I think you know men are not needed. You’re just desperate to make an argument for yourself. You have no case

[JesseJayNeak]

And you're trying to make a case for cougars. And your case is way inconsistent than mine

[nella965]

@JesseJayNeak and you loved claiming that women in their 30s cannot find a man nor have children. Meanwhile there is evidence that proves you wrong.

[JesseJayNeak]

Having children is more difficult in older age tho. And finding a man is too. Because attractiveness does decrease. A thing that you kept denying

[nella965]

@JesseJayNeak

What do you have against cougars and Older women in general? it seems like you just have such an unusual hatred against women

[JesseJayNeak]

Because they're known to be manipulative and encourage younger girls to ditch marriage and embrace promiscuity. And looking at this thread, it's clear that you're one of them

[JesseJayNeak]

Also you show a very biased hatred of men by calling them disposable

[nella965]

@JesseJayNeak haha what makes you think your attractiveness won’t decrease with age? Do you think you will still be attracting women in their 20s when you have white hair , wrinkles and weight gain?

Young women have plenty of choices , we can be picky.

[nella965]

@JesseJayNeak girls are ditching marriage long before I was born. Just take a look at the divorce rates. They are high as fuck since the 1970s.

[JesseJayNeak]

I know it will. It'll just be slower than usual. Also, there's nothing wrong with being picky. But the way you described your pickiness? That's quite troublesome

[JesseJayNeak]

Not as much as today tho

[nella965]

@JesseJayNeak like I said you’re autistic. How many times have I mentioned that I don’t need to please a man to have a child?

I can be as picky as I want. I can reject all men that come across my way and I will still end up with my own family

Maybe I will need to copy and paste this another 56 Times for you to finally understand what I’m saying

[nella965]

@JesseJayNeak there’s no evidence that your aging will be slower than usual. Aging is all based on your genetics. I have seen guys go balding by the time they are 33. While other guys who are 39 still look 30.

[JesseJayNeak]

"Like I said you're autistic". Your insults prove why I'M the one winning the argument and on average men age better

[nella965]

@JesseJayNeak. So how do you explain overwhelming majority of women wanting men 0-5 years older? I don’t see women preferring men 10-15 years older

Empirical evidence has also accumulated in support of women's preferences for older men, and as you might expect, the data often overlap with those data supporting men's preferences. As this sample of Conroy-Beam and Buss's (2019) review suggests:

Cross-culturally, women report wanting partners who are (on average) 3.5 years older than them.
In online dating, women make the first contact with older men at a greater than rate they do younger men.
Marriage records show that women are marrying men who are older than they are by about 3 years.

www.google.com/.../what-we-know-about-age-gaps-in-dating-love-and-marriage%3famp

[nella965]

@JesseJayNeak you’re not winning anything. Nothing you have said so far proves that women in their 20s prefer 38 yr old men. Evidence shows that husbands are on average 3.5 years older than their wives.

Unlike what you are trying to say, 13.5 years older than their wives

Continue dreaming dude.

[JesseJayNeak]

Except, I am winning. Because this thread proves everything I said

[JesseJayNeak]

That the objective is the discouraging of marriage and the embracing of Hook up culture

[nella965]

@JesseJayNeak I think you’re just butt hurt that you won’t be attracting 23 yr old women anymore by the time you hit 38.

Most 23 yr olds date guys that are 23-30. The max they go is probably 32.

[JesseJayNeak]

Me? Butthurt for the poor sucker that will be baby trapped by a black widow who loved she's afraid of infertility. I just pity the fool

[nella965]

@JesseJayNeak I think you would have to worry about infertility because you’re likely gonna be the one who is 45 , aging , and childless. I know by the time I am 45, I will have kids and a family.

Women don’t have to worry about infertility because we definitely can have children. Men can’t have kids

[JesseJayNeak]

"We can have children"
By yourself?

[nella965]

@JesseJayNeak I don’t need to find a man

[JesseJayNeak]

But can do it your own?

[nella965]

@JesseJayNeak of course.

[JesseJayNeak]

Oh, really? So you can get pregnant by yourself?

[nella965]

@JesseJayNeak what makes you think I need a man to get pregnant?

[JesseJayNeak]

Because sperm comes from men? And you claim that you can do it by yourself?

[nella965]

@JesseJayNeak you can execute all the men on earth, I will still be able to get pregnant with all the refrigeratored sperm at the sperm banks. I can store refrigerated Sperm for the next 100 years and women can still continue getting pregnant.

[JesseJayNeak]

So, you are afraid

[nella965]

@JesseJayNeak there’s no reason foe me to be afraid. But there certainly is a reason for you to be afraid

[JesseJayNeak]

You're so unafraid of your fate and still believe in using sperm banks despite saying that you don't need men?

[nella965]

@JesseJayNeak why would I need to be afraid of my fate? I know I will definitely have kids

You’re afraid of your fate that one day men will not be needed.

[JesseJayNeak]

Sperm is needed for impregnation, right? And it comes from men, doesn't it?

[nella965]

@JesseJayNeak sure but it still doesn't mean I need to find a man

[nella965]

@JesseJayNeak. Trying your best to force me to get a man? I don’t think so

[JesseJayNeak]

Sure...

[JesseJayNeak]

No, I'm not. But if you believe that's only way to have kids in advanced age...

[JesseJayNeak]

Then who am I to stop you?

[JesseJayNeak]

Still proves that you're afraid

[nella965]

@JesseJayNeak I don’t have to have kids at an advanced age. I can pick to have kids whenever I want. You will be having kids at an advanced age because men need to wait to find love and get married beside they have kids

[JesseJayNeak]

So, you go for the easy way while still claiming you do it on your own

[nella965]

@JesseJayNeak are u jealous that I can do it on my own while you can’t?

[JesseJayNeak]

If you could really do it on your own then you'd give birth to kids without sperm like some reptiles can

[JesseJayNeak]

Are you saying that you're a reptile?

[nella965]

@JesseJayNeak I think it’s better to be a woman than a man. As a woman I am garuanteed a family. Single 40 yr old men are at a much unfortunate situation

[JesseJayNeak]

Because you can give birth without sperm, right? Like asexual reproduction?

[JesseJayNeak]

You can claim you don't need men all you want but you never proved otherwise

[Mangospacho]

@nella965 Does this mean I get MHO?

[genericname85]

Your plan is morally very questionable. Single parenthood is the single most significant predictor for problems later in life like suicide, depression, career failure and crime and general antisocial conduct.

[OddBeMe]

Yes, it’s unfort a thing. But less horrible than made out to be. You can still get preggers into your late 40s, just be harder. Don’t you sluff off a finite egg every month?

[nella965]

Why would I try to get preggers in 40s if I can do so in my 30s? Single women can have kids. Single men can’t

[OddBeMe]

People want different things at different times. Why would it hard to believe a woman would want financial security before having kids?

[nella965]

That’s why I’m having kids in my 30s, I will have a good paying career in place

[OddBeMe]

Great. Some women won’t have a stable career until their 40s.

[nella965]

Women get more financially stable as they get older, just like men

[Jamie05rhs]

Children are meant to have a mother and a father. And they should. I'm sorry, but that is my stance on this issue and it's not going to change no matter what anyone says.

[Ayanna240]

thats like saying , everyone is entitled to an income, a nice house, good food, and nice bed.

Reality is, the real world doesn't always workout according to your expectations. Take a look at yourself, you expected yourself to be married with kids by 34

[Jamie05rhs]

@Ayanna240 No; that's not like saying that, actually. This is specifically related to family structure.

Also, I still don't know who the hell you are or why you are stalking me.

[Ayanna240]

You're an idealist. You think everything should meet your ideal expecations. Every child should have both a mother and father. Every child must grow up in a fincially stable environment. Every parent should be warm and loving. Everyone on earth deserves to have an income, nice house, car, be well fed. The woman who you marry must be virgin, under 30, beautiful, smart, goes to church

LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING. THE WORLD IS NOT PERFECT AND THINGS WILL NOT ALWAYS LIVE UP TO YOUR IDEALS. THERE ARE TONS OF KIDS WITH DIVORCED PARENTS OUT THERE WHO ONLY GET TO SEE THEIR FATHER ONCE A MONTH. THERE ARE HOMELESS MEN OUT THERE WITH NO FOOD OR PLACE TO SLEEP.

Just because you want a child to have both parents , it doesn't mean that is gonna be what always happens in the real world. OPEN YOUR MIND

[Jamie05rhs]

@Ayanna240 What the actual fuck? You don't know me at all. I prefer women OVER 30!

Also, don't preach at me about homelessness. You know nothing about homeless people or what it's like to be homeless.

[Jamie05rhs]

In addition, no one deserves a "nice" house. That has to be earned. You have to work for it. Same with a car.

If you want an income, go get a job. There are tons of people hiring right now.

There is plenty of food to go around so that everyone has more than enough. Most of it is wasted.

[Ayanna240]

There's nothing to be 'MEANT" in life.

Kids are not meant to have a mother and a father.
All men / women are not meant to have a nice house, car to live in. Not all men are meant to be married. Life is not perfect.

Divorces, deaths of spouses, cheating, poverty, bullying is what the real world is full of.

For you to make the assertion that all kids must have a mother and father, its nothing but idealistic thinking.

[Jamie05rhs]

@Ayanna240 You have a right to think what you want. But just be aware that your negative attitude is not very attractive. I try to stay far away from people like you.

[Ayanna240]

This is not a negative attitude. This is just telling you how the real world works. If you find it negative that divorces happen, spouses die, cheating happens, parents may lose their income, then you are simply just not cut out for the real world. I face reality like how it is. there's no point in me lying to you.

[Ayanna240]

There are people who face life like how it is while there are others that are in denial so they can avoid harsh reality

[Jamie05rhs]

@Ayanna240 Yes, those things do exist. But the problem is you expect those things. You're a defeatist. I, on the other hand, choose to rise above.

[Ayanna240]

Well you chose to chase ideal expectations, why do you think a guy like you would still be single lonely and unmarried at your age? You have a ton of top requirements for someone to be your wife.

If you want to be picky or idealistic , you’re just gonna end up having nobody.

The world is not an ideal place.

I grew up with an abusive father. I ended up fine. I’d rather have no father but I’m still a decent human being , work a professional career ,

[Jamie05rhs]

No, I actually don't have a ton of requirements. I really only have one.

I'm sorry that your father was abusive to you. I'm glad you got the job that you wanted; that's awesome. That just shows that we can accomplish anything despite adverse circumstances.

[Ayanna240]

Just because you didn't grow up with a father , it doesn't mean you cannot succeed in life.
Just because you had an abusive father, it doesn't mean that you can't ever do well in life.

Its very ignorant to make those kinds of statements about how if you don't have the ideal childhood, then the kid will not have a future.

Tons of kids were bullied in childhood, its not uncommon. Guess what? Overwhelming majority of them end up making it to adulthood and finding jobs, supporting families, having children.

[Jamie05rhs]

@Ayanna240.
"Just because you didn't grow up with a father , it doesn't mean you cannot succeed in life.
Just because you had an abusive father, it doesn't mean that you can't ever do well in life."
I fully agree with both statements.
Did someone tell you those things? Because if they did, you need to ignore them. They are a toxic influence on your life.

[Anonymous]

If people only had children from the perspective of doing only what is best for the children, such a question would not exist.

[Ayanna240]

New research has found that kids raised by single moms can do equally well in life as those raised by two parents. It’s the quality of the relationship that the child has with the parent , not the quantity

[Ayanna240]

www.google.com/.../

[Ayanna240]

"What's important is not whether they are raised by one or two parents. It's how good is the relationship with the parent, how much support they're getting from that parent and how harmonious is the environment.

www.google.com/.../story%3fid=5687285

[MLGbreezy]

Yes they do because they've got an expiration date and no one wants expired milk except psychopaths.

[nella965]

Who cares about expiration if i already have two kids by the time i hit 40?

[MLGbreezy]

U might still be fertile but every year once you hit your 30s is just more a increase of risk and complications during child birth that's why and besides no one wants milk that's getting close to it's expiration date either

[nella965]

my mother had me at 37 and my brother at 40. we both turned out fine as adults.

[Anonymous]

Why is there a good chance you'll be single until your 40?

[JesseJayNeak]

Yup. Unfortunately

[Ayanna240]

No reason to do so

[JesseJayNeak]

@Ayanna240 well, there are actually

[Ayanna240]

Women need to forget about marriage. Divorce rates are high as hell anyways. No point in getting married. Just have a kid

[JesseJayNeak]

@Ayanna240 having a kid outside of marriage is a bad idea

[JesseJayNeak]

Also, many men are not attracted to women in their mid 30s.

[Ayanna240]

Well If you are a 43 yr old man, you can’t get a 26 yr old woman so you will need to settle for a woman in her 30s. What makes you think a 26 yr old woman will be attracted to a 40 yr old man?

[Ayanna240]

Men get old and ugly as they age too, it’s not only women. A young woman would date a 31 yr old man over a 40 yr old man , any day

[JesseJayNeak]

@Ayanna240 and what makes you think they find those women attractive. Men, young or old, are not interested in women in their 30s

[JesseJayNeak]

@Ayanna240 also fertility in women decreases faster than in men

[Ayanna240]

There are men that are interested in dating 30 something yr old women. I have seen a lot of women find love and get married in their 30s.

But you need to realize that as an old aging 40 something yr old man, these 20 something yr old pretty girls are not gonna be attracted to you. You’re growing older and uglier by the year.

You can make the decision to never date again. It’s nobody else’s loss

[JesseJayNeak]

@Ayanna240 those men are actually few. Not many. Because once women hit 30 their options drastically decrease. Also, who said that women in their 20s are not attracted to older men? Of course they are as long as they are good looking which there are many. Also, older men won't settle for lower standard women

[Ayanna240]

@JesseJayNeak. Young women do like older men but just a few years older such as 0-6 years. Not 10-16 years older

[Ayanna240]

Empirical evidence has also accumulated in support of women's preferences for older men, and as you might expect, the data often overlap with those data supporting men's preferences. As this sample of Conroy-Beam and Buss's (2019) review suggests:

Cross-culturally, women report wanting partners who are (on average) 3.5 years older than them.
In online dating, women make the first contact with older men at a greater than rate they do younger men.
Marriage records show that women are marrying men who are older than they are by about 3 years.

www.google.com/.../what-we-know-about-age-gaps-in-dating-love-and-marriage%3famp

[JesseJayNeak]

@Ayanna240 and what make you think that men in their 40s like women in a depleted state aka their 30s?

[Ayanna240]

en.m.wikipedia.org/.../Age_disparity_in_sexual_relationships

[JesseJayNeak]

@Ayanna240 that ain't very recent, is it?

[Ayanna240]

Women in their 30s are in a depleted state? I don’t think so

Here’s evidence :

For the First Time Ever, More Women in Their 30s Are Having Babies Than Younger Women

www.parents.com/.../

[JesseJayNeak]

@Ayanna240 and that's from 4 years ago. So it's irrelevant

[Ayanna240]

Oh I think it is still recent. You just don’t want to acknowledge the truth because it hurts you too much. Haha

Research has proven you wrong

[JesseJayNeak]

@Ayanna240 that ain't very recent. It's 2021 so these things definitely changed even more

[JesseJayNeak]

@Ayanna240 so your research won't prove me wrong if you bring up only the past

[Ayanna240]

It’s always been the same. Even in the 1950s, married couples were just 0-5 years apart. Now it’s still the same. Nothing much as changed over the last 60 years

[JesseJayNeak]

@Ayanna240 not always. It did change in modern times.

[JesseJayNeak]

@Ayanna240 and again women in their 30s may give birth easier but they have less attractiveness and higher infertility possibilities

[Ayanna240]

The 2020 Average Age of Marriage
In 2020, the average age of marriage for female participants was 31, while male respondents married at age 33. The average age of marriage in the US therefore falls at 32 years.

www.google.com/.../average-age-of-marriage

[Ayanna240]

I don’t see why you would say that 30 something yr old women cannot get a man or have children when evidence clearly shows that most women are marrying and having kids in their 30s.

[JesseJayNeak]

@Ayanna240 and what makes you think that info is 100% legit?

[Ayanna240]

Because I actually see this happening in my real life. Most of us young women in our 20s are busy having fun , dating other guys in their 20s. Going to grad school. None of us are married or have kids.

[JesseJayNeak]

@Ayanna240 yeah, having fun. That's exactly why men avoid women like that

[Ayanna240]

You have to understand that most women in their 20s are not looking for marriage or children. We want to date around , enjoy our youth and pursue education / careers before settling down.

[JesseJayNeak]

@Ayanna240 usually men don't like that

[JesseJayNeak]

@Ayanna240 a woman that has fun with multiple guys before settling down is a red flag

[Ayanna240]

I think overwhelming majority of women nowadays have had multiple boyfriends / sex partners. Nobody marries as virgins anymore

If you want a Virgin marry an 16 yr old girl. Likely she wouldn’t want a guy so old either

[JesseJayNeak]

@Ayanna240 who said nobody wants to marry virgins?

[JesseJayNeak]

@Ayanna240 and why should a man settle for a woman who had multiple guys in her life?

[Ayanna240]

The only Problem is , it’s almost impossible to find a woman without a dating history nowadays unless she is 15-16. On average , girls get their first boyfriends before they turn 18.

But most guys have no problem dating a non virgin. Only misogynist would insist on dating virgins

[JesseJayNeak]

@Ayanna240 so dating a virgin makes you a misogynist?

[Ayanna240]

Most guys won’t date a virgin. From experience I can tell you that men won’t date without sex. Eventually they will just leave you for a woman who has sex with him. Only religious church boys date without sex

[JesseJayNeak]

@Ayanna240 it sounds like you're discourage marriage and promoting out-of-marriage promiscuity

[JesseJayNeak]

@Ayanna240 most? That's not true

[Ayanna240]

I’m just telling you what 2021 is like not 1951. In 1951, everyone was a virgin when they married but now it is 2021, it’s a different world. Nobody cares about virginity anymore

[JesseJayNeak]

@Ayanna240 but it's not like promiscuity makes you better you know? It actually makes you worse

[JesseJayNeak]

Especially in women "settling down"

[Ayanna240]

People aren’t even getting married anymore to have a family. Boyfriends and girlfriends having kids. Sorry dude , this modern world is not a fit for misogyny

[JesseJayNeak]

@Ayanna240 misogynist?

[JesseJayNeak]

How am I being a misogynist?

[Ayanna240]

Women are no longer getting married to have kids because women are capable of earning their own money and supporting themselves. There are more women than men in college. Women have no problem ditching their husbands

[JesseJayNeak]

@Ayanna240 independent women are often as unattractive. Also, you didn't answer my last questions

[Ayanna240]

A misogynist will never ever admit to being a misogynist. But you can tell if a guy is one due to what he says

[JesseJayNeak]

@Ayanna240 I could assume that you are misandrist. But I've never brought it up till now

[Ayanna240]

Too bad that overwhelming majority of women in our society today are independent women. Men often have no choice but to marry and have kids with them

[JesseJayNeak]

@Ayanna240 or worse a 4th wave feminist

[JesseJayNeak]

@Ayanna240 just to get divorced and having a often a single mother creating a future criminal

[JesseJayNeak]

@Ayanna240 it sounds like it's what you want. Families to be broken

[Ayanna240]

New research has found that kids raised by single moms can do equally well in life as those raised by two parents. It’s the quality of the relationship that the child has with the parent , not the quantity

www.google.com/.../

[JesseJayNeak]

@Ayanna240 yeah, that's totally credible...

[Ayanna240]

What's important is not whether they are raised by one or two parents. It's how good is the relationship with the parent, how much support they're getting from that parent and how harmonious is the environment.

www.google.com/.../story%3fid=5687285

[JesseJayNeak]

@Ayanna240 it's important to kids by two parents. But the fact that single mother can raise kids to be responsible is incorrect. It's actually the opposite

[Ayanna240]

I don’t want families to be broken. Breaking the family has all to do with the parents decision. Do they want to stay together or divorce? Divorce rates has always been high. AlmoSt half of all marriages end up in divorce.

So what is the point of getting married anymore? This is why people have stopped marrying

[JesseJayNeak]

@Ayanna240 and also single mothers tend to keep their kids away from their fathers

[JesseJayNeak]

@Ayanna240 yet, that's what I'm getting from. The separation of families and the complete destruction of marriage

[JesseJayNeak]

@Ayanna240 and the thread looks to be proving my point

[Ayanna240]

Well studies have proven single moms CAN raise kids equally as well

[Ayanna240]

46% of all marriages end up in divorce

[JesseJayNeak]

@Ayanna240 yet single fathers usually do it better. And studies prove that children, especially boys, are more likely to be criminals in single mother households

[JesseJayNeak]

@Ayanna240 and who starts them?

[Ayanna240]

New Studies have proven that single moms can raise successful kids

[JesseJayNeak]

@Ayanna240 I don't think they're legit

[JesseJayNeak]

@Ayanna240 also you didn't answer the last question

[Ayanna240]

Sorry to say this dude : but men are not needed. No need for a husband to have children. No need a husband to raise kids too

It seems to me you have a lot to worry about

[JesseJayNeak]

@Ayanna240 so you DO want marriage to fade away

[JesseJayNeak]

@Ayanna240 and families to be completely apart

[Ayanna240]

I don’t think it is moral to force someone to be in a miserable unhappy marriage

[JesseJayNeak]

@Ayanna240 and basically destroying the concept of marriage and the creation of bastard children.

[JesseJayNeak]

It's that the solution?

[Ayanna240]

I am not destroying anything. It’s the couples decision to divorce , not mine. I have no right to tell people what to do.

But statistics show that marriage is a scam. Marriages never workout.

[JesseJayNeak]

@Ayanna240 I didn't say you're destroying everything. I said that this is the thing you want to see. People separated and having kids out of marriage