Are men giving up on women nowadays?

[Kate200005]

[MCheetah]

Yep. I pretty much did. When more and more women have incredibly sh*tty attitudes and inflated egos thanks to the simps and betas of the world, an "unattractive" man will come at an impasse. This man will make one of three decisions.

1) Keep going as he is and delving deeper and deeper into the hole of depression and rejection from women never finding him to be good enough based on genetics.

2) Try EVERYTHING in his power to become as attainable as possible, only to either fail anyway, or possibly succeed, just to realize the women he can now get still don't like him for him, that they're superficial and shallow, and that all the hard work he put in was to impress some boring, uninteresting females who aren't even that good at sex, making him question if all the hard work and self-improvement was really even worth it and if he just wasted years of his life on an empty and shallow prize in now being attainable to modern day thots we call women.

Or 3) Give up, walk away, and keep his dignity and self respect in tact, deciding that he'd rather be a free individual that can be his truest and realest self, than to jump through hoops for a group of people that, by and large, don't appreciate him, his efforts, his deeds, or his genuine desire for a loving relationship, and walk down the long path of being happy as his truest self, than being an unhappy unauthentic person just some so woman can give him "the honor" of buying her free dinners or having to listen to her boring stories from work.

I myself am not MGTOW. But damn I'm getting close to it. I may not ever give up the desire to be with someone and have a loving genuine connection with another person's mind, heart, and soul. But women today? I seriously doubt good women still exist that are single and available on the market. Good women are like fossil fuels; they used to be abundant, but now cost more and more money and are harder to find. Only they're a LOT more rare than say, oil.

None of this is even getting into how many women are simply undesirable to (self-respecting) nowadays:
"Open relationship" girls, bisexuals, "non binary" and "genderfluid" bullsh*t, liars, narcissists, gold-diggers, OnlyFans thots, bitches with trash attitudes who never got told to STFU, transwomen (if you count them; they don't count though), and so on... Even finding a normal woman nowadays is like trying to find a needle in a sh*t-stack.

So, am I giving up on women nowadays? Do I really want to be treated like sh*t for women due to my height, lack of being tall, unattractive looks, honest personality, and intelligence which I've been told "intimidates" them? Should I still play this game, after all that?

https://www.youtube.com/embed/woEFCFBkFRY

^ The answer to my question.

[KrakenAttackin]

Thumbs up x1000. Well said!

[White_Boy_506]

I’m under 6 feet tall as well so I’m pretty much out as well.

[StunningANDbrave]

Good post brother

[MrOracle]

Men aren't giving up on all women, just the "modern women", who are career-driven, have masculine energy, and don't think they need to bring anything to a relationship than their presence. Modern women want all the advantages of equality when it suits them, but none of the responsibility, and they expect men to protect and provide and give them all of the traditional benefits of marriage, but without providing the man any of those traditional benefits.

There are still traditional women in the world, and those are the women men are choosing - and most of the men who can't find or attracted those women are choosing to remain single rather than be in a relationship with Modern Women.

More and more men see Modern Women as having no value beyond providing sexual services. Men will still trade attention/dates for sex, but fewer and fewer men are willing to be in relationships with modern women. The cost-to-benefit ratio is so crazy that they'd rather be alone, and it's much easier for men to be alone than women, especially beyond the age of 35.

[KrakenAttackin]

@MrOracle. Well said!

[Lyubyets]

We dont hold any of the cards dude. Women choose what life gets aborted and what life gets born. They hold all the cards of the future.

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@Lyubyets

what are you talking about YOU CAN FORCE YOUR WILL ON THEM

you are a man and are stronger

[Lyubyets]

In reality, a guy could. But this world isn't reality

[White_Boy_506]

@KrakenAttackin I know right! He summed it perfectly

[StunningANDbrave]

@Lyubyets profound

[Moimaris]

I consider myself more as a traditional woman but I’m having a hard time finding a man because to me all men are seduced by women for quick sex

[Kate200005]

@Moimaris same 😏

[MrOracle]

@Moimaris @Kate200005 It's easy to see why you would think that. I don't know either of you, or have any idea if you ARE or are not traditional, but I'm going to try to give you some helpful advice. Hopefully you take it as intended.

Many women THINK they're traditional, but really aren't, or are only traditional in a few ways. This doesn't mean that "real" traditional women don't exist - of course they do - but the masculine "feminist" characteristics are very invasive, and you may be exhibiting some of those without realizing it, and they tend to turn men looking for serious relationships off. If you want to explore this part more, we can.

The other part is: yes, lots of guys just want sex, and (understandably) assume that ALL women are "modern women" until proven otherwise. It's the only safe assumption to make these days. That's why it's even more important to "advertise" your morals and values with your dress and behavior/attitude - this will help those men find you.

But you also have to be targeting that kind of man in the first place. If, for example, you only went to bars and clubs, you're not very likely to meet a "serious relationship/marriage" kind of man, because they rarely go to those places. Rather, you meet guys like that in places like grocery stores, restaurants, school/classes (think: cooking classes), the gym, bowling, and via your circles of friends at their get-togethers. You probably won't have much luck online, because most of those men don't use apps.

[Moimaris]

I don’t go to clubs be bars and I only had 1 relationship. I notice that with dating apps men and woman only seek sex. In real life it’s hard to talk to a guy. How to know he is interested in those few seconds

[MrOracle]

@Moimaris You can't know in just a few seconds - all you can do is pick up on a bit of a vibe, and then get contact info and try to spend more time together later, or at least talk on the phone. Yes, that means YOU (the girl) has to actually put in some work! And many times, it's not going to work out, and you have to be okay with that. The girl's job is to FILTER the guys who show interest in her, and part of that early talking is the "getting to know you" process, where you talk about things like morals, values, long-term goals, etc. If you are marriage-minded, and the guy says "oh, I'm never gonna marry", then you know he's not the right guy, and you move on. Same with kids or career or lifestyle or other major facets to relationship compatibility. You'll meet some good-looking, fun, exciting, good guys who simply won't want what you want, and you'll have to let them go and move on, but that's part of the process. That's also why finding a good partner is largely a numbers game: you have to meet a lot of guys in order to find one that's a solid match. If you don't meet (not date, not sleep with, just meet and talk to) at least 5 guys a month, you aren't making it a big enough priority. That might seem hard, but the more you do it, the easier it gets.

[Dragonpurple]

@Moimaris Sorry to hear all that, I would suggest that you stick to your values... if a man really is interested in you, he won't push you for sex and will let you make the move for it, be it if that is once your married or at least very close and talking about a life together.

[Kate1996]

Not all career-driven women are masculine. I think this is a huge misconception. I have plenty of lady friends who are beautiful, friendly, feminine and also rock their careers. Just saying :)

[nella965]

This answer is just written by a 1920s misogynist. I have actually never met a "modern man" who had anything against a woman with a career. Modern men want their women to be responsible adults with an education and career. There is no place in the US, where it is seen be a good thing to be unemployed, regardless if you are male or female.

your desire for women to be housewives is so that your wife will be under your control since you hold the purse strings.

[Kate1996]

@nella965 you’re so right!

[nella965]

@Kate1996 Ancient men insist that all women should be unemployed, "Modern men" do not.

[MrOracle]

Let me help make the distinction clear: the majority of men WHO ARE LOOKING TO MARRY/HAVE A FAMILY are looking for women who PRIORITIZE being a wife and mother and raising the children at least until the youngest is in elementary school. (Yes, there are plenty of men out there who are happy to have a woman with a career, but those men tend NOT to be the men looking for marriage and kids, so if that's what you want, then those men are irrelevant.) Like it or not, this needs to happen when the girl is in her 20s, NOT her 30s. Career can come later, but women's biological clock dictates that children can't come later (at least, not naturally and reliably). I realize this goes against everything Feminism has been teaching women, but it's the truth, and there are tons of women in their 30s, who realize that their career and their cats aren't going to satisfy them, and they long for a husband and children - but increasingly, men aren't interested in starting a family with a woman in her 30s, so they focus on looking for women in their 20s. I realize women aren't used to hearing this, but it's the truth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ux-WKpjzs38
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbsiOZGQg1Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTz2DL_kJGc

[Azura_88]

@nella965 totally. They want a rag doll to control and enslave.. just because you're a woman, doesn't mean you are bound to reproduce. You don't owe anyone YOUR BODY.

[Kate1996]

Haha, let me also clarify that women can do BOTH. Also, I am highly skeptical of people who use “this is just reality” as a statement.
Sorry we aren’t subservient to men anymore and that confidence is seen as musculine. I know plenty of women who are mothers and doctors/lawyers/engineers, etc. and if you want to convince me our my fate is being alone for the rest of our lives for having a career, go ahead. We won’t fall for it. Also, your research is laughable and please don’t think I don’t know all of this already. I have looked through it thoroughly. But thanks for attaching these amazingly educational videos anyway. Actually, through research, it is showing that women in their 30s can have children, but that it does get a tad more difficult after 35. But not impossible. Also, the average age of marriage is increasing to mid-30s. Also, it’s hilarious - same men like you complain about gold diggers but also hate career women. I just want to say this gave me a good laugh, so thank you :) and try convincing someone else that men who are looking for career women tend to not be looking for marriage. I’m 25, make 6 figures, own an expensive horse, and I’m in a solid relationship with a guy who is rich and pays for everything and is a gentleman. He never shrinks me. Use your waste of a comment on another thread or something because my “masculine” self just can’t take all of this :)

[MrOracle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anECwFYnyh0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-MY5i5o7Yo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jv0WT5qaPh0

This last video is REALLY important, and something no one talks about. Few women have anywhere close to adequate retirement savings, but because there aren't enough children being born, by the time they retire, there won't be enough workers contributing taxes and withholdings to pay for those needing government assistance. This will result in budgets being slashed, and with elderly people (including women!) being put out on the streets, or stuffed in horrific state-funded nursing homes where they'll be abused and neglected and have miserable deaths. The average lifespan is about 85. If you retire at 65, you'll have to have enough savings to live on that savings for 20 years (!). And due to health care costs, those are likely to be, by far, your most expensive years. If you were retiring today, in 2021, you would need to have saved about $2M to have any chance of being single and living a middle-class lifestyle. That number will go up significantly as the years go by. If you aren't putting away at least $500/month right now, you are falling behind every month - and that assumes you aren't over 30. If you are, you need to be saving/investing even more per month to be able to have enough money to retire - and heaven help you if you are injured or develop a health condition that prevents you from working.

Not having children to help take care of you, and keep you out of a nursing home/assisted living facility means you have to replace that care with paid care - and that is EXPENSIVE! Be sure to factor that in when deciding how important a husband and children are to you.

[Moimaris]

I have decided to leave this forum because it hurts my feeling to see that men don’t want women in their 30’s. Im turning 30 and I have never been chased by a man. I don’t have the sex appeal to draw men into bed. I’m more of building a friendship first and then love. I know I have so much love and care to give to a man. I like to take care of a man if he is ill. The fact that I read that men don’t want women in their 30 hurts me a lot because I think it’s the men who decides he wants to pursue an woman because he wants her and I never had that.

[nella965]

@Moimaris

There are Men do want women in their 30s. But usually its old guys such as late 30s or 40s. The reality is, guys have an expiration date too when their look start to fade. No 25 yr old woman is interested in a balding guy with white hairs and wrinkles.

[nella965]

@MrOracle I have read all your posts on here. You're just an anti woman misogynist who would say absolutely anything to disparage women. A woman in her 30s still has options. Maybe not with a young man, but an older guy.

[malikukio]

oh yes lets dehumanise women

[Moimaris]

@nella965 hahah

[nella965]

@Moimaris This guy has a long history of going around GAG, writing up stories bullying women about their limited childbearing years and saying that a woman who cannot have children is undesirable.

When in reality, just take a look at how many men on here do not even want children. Here is a poll :

Guys, Would you marry a woman who can’t have kids? ↗

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@Azura_88

do not make assumptions about me

[MrOracle]

@nella965 You can try to make it about me if you want, but this isn't about me at all. Why do you think I posted videos of OTHER WOMEN who are saying what I'm saying? I don't know those women, and I didn't tell them what to say or how to say it - but they're trying to warn women of the same thing I am.

Ignoring what I say won't hurt me a bit - hell, it won't affect me at all. But it's very likely to bring a very high price to YOUR life - you just haven't gotten the bill yet. But for most "modern women", that bill is coming, and they'll be paying it one way or another. And that would be the case even if I'd never made a single post here.

Modern women hate to hear this, I know - which is why some of you are so triggered. That's okay - at least you've heard the warning. What you do with that information is up to you. But you can't say that you weren't warned - that no one told you what would happen.

Best of luck to you.

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did she literally say win with hypergamy lol
hahahahahha

Proverbs 5:5
Her feet go down to death; her steps take hold on hell

[nella965]

@MrOracle Just because a few women said something, it doesn't represent the overwhelming majority of the population. A few of my guy friends are interested in dating older women in their 40s-50s, does this mean that ALL men are interested in dating women 40-50s? NO!

And I'm gonna tell you this:

you're the saddest, most bitter, sickest person on here. No sane person with a content inner state, goes online and devotes half their life writing and publishing disparaging articles / posts/ comments about women.
Someone like you is definitely very twisted, sad, traumatized, on the inside. I don't feel bad for these women that you are trying to bully. I feel the worst for YOU. You're the one who is suffering the most.

[nella965]

@MrOracle I have never ever seen you write one positive thing about women on here. You're the saddest person who is suffering the most here. And you on here, to make sure that women share a piece of your misery.

[DianaWest]

@MrOracle your opinion is irrelevant. women can go to a sperm bank to have as many children whenever she wants and at whatever age she wants. no woman needs a pathetic man with your toxic and sexist mindset in her life. if men keep up with this misogynistic bullshit, we will turn into a society where many women will CHOOSE to be single mothers and have children without men. what do you have to offer besides your dick? most children choose their mothers over their fathers in case of a dispute or divorce, so this is why so many old men end up lonely in nursing homes with no wife and no children. if this is the mentality of most "modern men" nowadays, i'd rather be a single mother by choice. i don't need to wait around for a loser sexist man to become a mother. women nowadays are gaining equal or higher salaries than men and great careers, and are fine to support 1-2 kids on their own. what have you accomplished at 51? clearly not much by your bitterness and resentment for women. stop with your bullshit about women's biological clock. if i am not married to a high quality male by the time i am 30, i will just have children on my own. no need for a low quality man with a toxic mindset such as yours stuck in the stone age. women don't have to give a fuck anymore about pleasing men's sensibilities. i will be fulfilled in my life, with or without a man, because i will still be able to have kids without a man. so many single mothers and dead beat fathers exist already. a considerable amount of men are running away from responsibilities, forgetting how to be men, and not even able to assume their bare minimum "breadwinner" role anymore. they pay child support when they remember or are given a court order. women can do just fine without men in their lives and have been for decades, really. so don't be too concerned about our happiness.

[DianaWest]

@MrOracle many men just can't handle women's success and are bitching about "traditional" women because they want a cum rag slave to wash his shit-stained underwear, take care of six of his children, and only go outside with his permission or be able to purchase something when he feels like giving her some of his money. so sick of all you pathetic sexist losers. many men are jealous of women's success and capabilities because they are hurt that they have to compete with competent and intelligent women on the labour market.

i'd rather die alone than have my life over complicated and turned into a shit storm by men who think they are superior to women. but i won't die alone because like i said, women can still have kids on their own and don't need to rely on a man to give them that gift. i wonder why men like to comment so much on how women choose to live their lives, unless you are all bitter and lonely who've been burned one too many times in failed relationships. keep thinking your opinion matters while many career women will live happily as single mothers and have enough money to travel the world and wipe their ass with. sorry to all the real men left on the planet, who respect and appreciate women and work together to build a family instead of expecting the woman to slave away and be glued to her pots and pans.

[DianaWest]

@MrOracle the women who are bothered by this are just sad and need a man to validate their worth. there are women who don't give a fuck, such as myself. but you seem to really really really care. are you a woman? lol. maybe too many women gave you the boot and now you are a bitter old single geezer and trying to make more people as bitter as you.

[StunningANDbrave]

Good on you for keeping it real dude. The fact that these girls are so triggered and unwilling to listen to the truth is exactly why they are having problems in the first place.

[Moimaris]

@StunningANDbrave as long as man don’t behave like man but animals both men and women have a problem

[Moimaris]

What I have seen is that decent normal women who want a family stay single because men follow their superficial sexual desires and get trapped by women who seduce them. When a cheap looking woman walks by they know she is easy. But when a good woman walks by they don’t want to put any effort in. Why making all this effort if you can get sex anywhere. That is wrong with today’s society.

[StunningANDbrave]

@DianaWest You're delusional in your bullshit and are genuinely repulsive to men, "I don't have to do anything for my man and he can go fuck himself!" You will not me missed, enjoy artificial insemination bitch.

[StunningANDbrave]

@Moimaris I agree but that has to start with the women, men aren't going to turn down sex without commitment.

[Lyubyets]

@nella965 30 year old women who have been in two or three long term relationships that didn't work out are still attractive to guys around their age. What makes modern women unique is how they have been run through by 20, 30, 50 different people by the time theyre 30 years old. Theyve got issues. Theyve larping like theyre alpha males, no body needs that masculine energy in their life

[KrakenAttackin]

@MrOracle. The problem is these alleged traditional women are still chasing Chad Thundercock and are not interested in the average guy who works hard, is getting an education, and relatively vanilla.

[Lyubyets]

@DianaWest you should look into how ted bundy was made. Your kids are going to hate you and themselves when you decide to have kids by yourself

[msc545]

@KrakenAttackin Very well said. I don't always agree with MrOracle, but in this case, he *really* nailed it.

[msc545]

@googleplus Yes, you can, but there is a lot of legal trouble waiting for you if you do.

[Sam_The_Savage]

Lol why you guys hating successful woman? Why can't both build empire father than wasting time on relationship. You Dumbo refresh your mind.

[MrOracle]

@DianaWest "instead of expecting the woman to slave away and be glued to her pots and pans."

How many hours a day do most women spend on "pots and pans"? Or total housework, for that matter? Men typically work 40-50 hours a week, not counting commute time, to provide for the family, but THAT doesn't count, right? Only doing dishes is "slave work" - men who work in mines, or in oil fields, or heavy construction, or the trades - that's not even work at all. Do you even hear yourself?

Anyway, you're very likely to get your wish of dying alone, and it will have nothing to do with me.

[MrOracle]

@Sam_The_Savage Lots of women in their 20s want to "build their empire", and if that's what they really want, that's fine. That's their choice. The issue is that a huge percentage of them hit 30-35, and then complain that "men aren't stepping up" and picking them for a relationship. They weren't interested in a relationship when they could have provided that man with children, but in their 30s, they suddenly want a man (and inevitably, he has to have a college degree and a six-figure income minimum, along with many other things) and can't understand why they can't get those men - those men can attract girls in their 20s, who DO want children.

The problem is, women in their 20s don't want to hear this, and don't believe it, and by the time they figure out that it's true, it's usually too late. And they then want to blame men for that too. Hopefully a few young women understand this when they still have time to make changes, but some are beyond saving.

The REALLY scary part is that these women, when they're older and figure out that they can't afford retirement, are going to demand that the government pay for them - and without children as replacement workers, there won't be enough tax-payers to pay for it. They'll expect the government to borrow that money to help them, putting everyone's kids (and grandkids, and great-grandkids) deeper into debt before they're even born.

[nella965]

@StunningANDbrave There is no truth to any of this. My mother married my father when she was 34. All the women in my family married in their 30s. @MrOracle just has an obsession with trying to bully women.

[nella965]

@Lyubyets

here's the reality:

Women do not need men to be happy. Why do you think divorce rates are so high? Women have careers and education. We can survive on our own if we are not happy with our men.

You live in this delusional mindset that women are always trying to look to men for acceptance. Its no longer the 1920s.

A woman can have a family (children/ grandchildren) without a husband or boyfriend.
A woman can support her own kids without a man.

Men need women to have a family. Women do not need men.

[nella965]

@MrOracle What makes you think that there aren't any guys going after 30-35 yr old women?

By the time you're 40 white hairs, wrinkles, weight gain, balding, you will start realizing that you won't be attracting hot pretty 25 yr olds. So you're gonna have to settle for 35 yr old women.

[MrOracle]

@nella965 How am I "bullying" anyone? No where in this entire post have I said what anyone SHOULD do - I've merely pointed out the best way to get the outcome that most women eventually want. I'm not sure why you are so triggered by that. I've said several times on this post alone that it's always a woman's choice - I just pointed out that her decisions have consequences.

And if there's no truth in this, why did all those women make videos about it? Why are there hundreds of articles, written by women, talking about this problem?

[nella965]

@MrOracle

WHO spends half their life trying look for ways to disparage women online? and why are you so obsessed with other people's dating lives?
other people's dating lives have nothing to do with you. If you're not interested in dating 30 yr old women, date 16 yr old girls. NOBODY CARES.

you just hate women. and you're just looking to make sure women share a piece of your bitterness and misery

[MrOracle]

@nella965 You keep thinking this is about me - it isn't. And of course there are always SOME men who are looking for women in their 30s - it's just that most of them aren't willing to offer the kinds of relationships that those women tend to be looking for (marriage, kids). And THAT, again, is the point. Women who truly don't want a husband or kids can do whatever they like and it won't matter - none of this applies to them.

[MrOracle]

Deflecting again. This isn't about me. It's not about my feelings. It's not about who I date or sleep with. I'm not trying to get anything from anyone here. The fact that you are so unwilling to even DISCUSS the issue at hand, and choose to make personal attacks at me, is quite revealing. But it doesn't change the situation, and your personal attacks on me mean nothing to me. It just tells me that you can't really support your position.

[nella965]

@MrOracle

why don't you take a look at a poll and see how many men out there who do not want kids:

Guys, Would you marry a woman who can’t have kids? ↗

[nella965]

@MrOracle My mother married my father at 34. All the women in my family married and had kids in their 30s. Thats why I refuse to believe you.

[nella965]

@MrOracle

Women in 30s now having more babies than younger moms in US

www.cnbc.com/.../...s-than-younger-moms-in-us.html

And you're busy sitting here insisting that nobody wants 30 something yr old women. Or that 30 something yr old women can't have kids. why don't you go fuck yourself? i can have as many kids in my 30s as I want, just like how most women are doing it. Fucking misogynist.

[Lyubyets]

@nella965 we can just invent fake wombs then, and robots to clean and have sex with, and have our fams that way

[nella965]

@Lyubyets there aren't any fake wombs. Nothing even close to that has been invented. Even if there were fake wombs, overwhelming majority of average joes wouldn't be able to afford it.

[Lyubyets]

@nella965 women who have babies in their 30s are more likely to have disabeled kids. I bet your fam has those real retarded looking dogs for pets, those dogs that have tiny snouts and can't breathe without snot drooling down their face. They make y'all feel better about being mutants yourselves

[nella965]

@Lyubyets so what? older men are also more likely to have disabled or crazy kids. why would i pick a 45 yr old man over a 35 yr old man?

[Lyubyets]

No woman has ever had 1 baby before. Women have had to get pregnant, 3 or 4 times before they had a baby genetically fit enough to live in the real world. This planned parenthood stuff is making your genetic legacy pathetic

[nella965]

@Lyubyets all 8 of my cousins had mothers that birthed them in 30s, we are all college educated working professional jobs. My mom had me at 37 and my brother at 40. We both turned out fine.

[Lyubyets]

@nella965 except your bro has a tiny dick. Estrogen increases to detrimental levels in geriatric pregnancies (30+)

[Lyubyets]

@nella965 a guy isn't too old to make a girl pregnany until he's 40. After that point, the chances for having autism etc. increase rapidly. But we can make artificial wombs, the medical industry is just sexist. It wouldn't be a real challenge to incubate a fertilised egg in vitro

[Lyubyets]

The average joe can't afford a real bitch. Whats your point?

[Lyubyets]

@nella965 the funniest part about your future is that you better pray to have girls cuz any boys you'll have will be so incel, you couldnt expect grandkids for your fam. And i doubt youd want incels to stick around you anwways. Pray for girls, their pussy makes up for their shitty genes

[nella965]

@Lyubyets what makes you think your chances of finding a young woman gets better as you get older , uglier , wrinklier , fatter , losing hair , saggier?

I wouldn’t trade a 30 yr old man for a 40 yr old any day.

[nella965]

@ Lyubyets you don’t have to continually tell me that I should worry about not being able to have kids. I am garuanteed kids by the time I am 40.

On the other hand , you will be sitting there getting older , wrinklier , saggier , fatter by the year and still hope that a young woman Of childbearing would pay any attention to you.

[StunningANDbrave]

@nella965 The exception does not disprove the rule, I'm not seeing any bullying in this post, this guy isn't trying to morally posture or wag his finger saying "you stupid women do stupid shit" all of the information he has provided is grounded in reality, you can expect the outcome more than you can expect the exception.

[Lyubyets]

@StunningANDbrave exactly. Who the fuck would want to have mental, incel kids with no father to provide a model for them? Lmao. Talk about PRAYING FOR FAILURE

[StunningANDbrave]

@Lyubyets I agree, kids develop much better in society with both a mother and father.

[Lyubyets]

Women fundamentally WANT PEOPLE TO FAIL. I base a lot of my jokes to women around this phenomenon, they always laugh

[nella965]

@StunningANDbrave there’s nothing accurate about this info because cdc data shows 30 something yr old women are having more kids than women in their 20s.,

A poll taken in GAG, also shows the overwhelming number of men who don’t even want kids

[nella965]

@StunningANDbrave The link is actually posted above

[Lyubyets]

@nella965 ok ok, more women today are being bitches. That doesn't change the fact that children have become more mental, less disciplined, and less moral

[nella965]

@Lyubyets your mother had you in her 20s and you still turned out to become an immature, indecent, shitty human. not all kids born to 20 yr old moms come out fine.

[StunningANDbrave]

@nella965 At this point It's diminishing returns trying to argue with you, even with proof you will not change your point of view. To be frank, I don't give a shit what you guys do, learn it the hard way, I already have my girl and she does not at all subscribe to the delusions modern women have. 🤙

[nella965]

@StunningANDbrave You're trying to convince me that I should turn into a misogynist like you who likes to talk trash about women online? NO THANKS

[nella965]

@StunningANDbrave

You don't have a girl. And even if you do manage to get a girl, she will leave you once she finds out what you're writing about women on here.

[Lyubyets]

@nella965 my mom had me when she was 40, bitch. Lol

[Lyubyets]

She had another kid when she was 45. I wonder if you think THATS weird?

[Lyubyets]

@nella965 your *chances* of having a normal baby go down drastically with age

[StunningANDbrave]

@nella965 Yeah I do have a girl and she already knows all of what I write on here. Me and her both make fun of retarded women like you.

[StunningANDbrave]

@nella965 Your definition of misogyny is quite literally "he doesn't let me be a feral whore and has standards" or the more popular one "he doesn't agree with me so that makes him misogynistic"

[nella965]

@Lyubyets I don’t think your chances of having a baby gets any higher when you turn wrinkly , ugly , fat and balding by the time you’re 45.

[nella965]

@StunningANDbrave yea tell her that you will trade her for a younger , more fertile woman by the time she turns 30.

[Lyubyets]

@nella965 bruh how is it possible for you to be so angry? You must be one ugly chick. Beautiful girls dont get angry, theyve got too much pride

[nella965]

@Lyubyets just because I am not attracted to wrinkly fat balding men in their 40s, it doesn’t mean I’m angry.

[StunningANDbrave]

@nella965 Why would I do that? I love her, something you cunts forget how to do.

[Lyubyets]

@nella965 just fyi, the most popular actors are around 40. Actresses tend to be 25.

[MrOracle]

@nella965 That an old statistics trick - to frame the information to fit your narrative. Yes, it's true that, in RELATIVE TERMS, more women in their 30s are having children than in the past - I AGREE that this is happening - but that's because the number of women having children in their 20s has plummeted to epic all-time lows. And many of those women in their 30s are using very expensive alternative treatments and methods in order to get pregnant, because many can no longer get pregnant naturally. So the fact that it's happening, and the ratios for 30s having babies is much higher than in the past, does NOT mean that it's a good thing.

It's like saying that "assault is down in our city compared to 10 years ago" without mentioning that "this is because MURDERS are up 800%, and people are killing their victims much more often today compared to the past, when they only assaulted them." It's easy to frame a statistic to fit the story you are trying to push, and the news media does that all day long. That's why the CONTEXT is so important.

Those same statistics also say that the rate of childbirth has fallen from 2.4 children per couple in 1970 to only 1.6 per couple today (well under replacement rates), and continue to fall. It also shows that more women are not having children at all - even though many wish they could.

[Lyubyets]

"Women dont need a boyfriend/husband to have kids". imagine a single mom trying to have 3 kids with 3 different opportunistic men. She would have to brainwash the kids into believing that their genetic heritage doesn't matter (it only matters in relation to her).

[msc545]

@Lyubyets Unfortunately women do that.

[nella965]

@MrOracle

Why don’t you give up? My mother birthed me at 37 and my brother at 40 without any treatments. My mothers cousin birthed two daughters at ages 32 and 34, now they are both 6 and 8 years old, doing very well in school. 4 of My aunts had kids in their 30s, all of us are either in college or working professional jobs. 1 accountant , 1 nurse , 1 civil engineer. 1 respiratory therapist , 2 still in college.

And you’re gonna sit here and spew bullshit about how women in their 30s can’t have kids or that all of us must be retarded.

[nella965]

@MrOracle

Risk of birth defects only increases from 0.5% to 1%.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6YIz9jZPzvo

[nella965]

@Lyubyets most of the country are filled with single moms already. Just take a look at your divorce rates 46%. Half of all your marriages end in divorce where kids see daddy 1 time a month

Successful women can raise all the kids that she wants. She can afford to

[nella965]

@MrOracle. Nowadays in big modern cities , it’a much more common to see a woman in her 30s pregnant with a child than a woman in her 20s pregnant.

Even when I was growing up, all the female teachers that were pregnant and had kids were At least 30

[Sam_The_Savage]

Instead of argue here go n do some work n make your parents proud rather than wasting time on this nonsense argument... stop disturbing others. Dumbos.

[DianaWest]

@StunningANDbrave lick my pussy you little weiner. where do you get the quotation marks from, your ass? i never said what you put in quotation marks. i have a problem with sexist idiotic men like you, not all men. your mother and wife are bitches. love me that much that you have to respond to everything i comment on? keep sucking your whore's cunt and don't worry about me, because you will not be missed either. especially with that tiny walnut sized brain you have.

[DianaWest]

@Lyubyets ted bundy had a mother AND father.

[DianaWest]

@MrOracle boohoo. some men think they're the only ones that work nowadays. anyways, you are much closer to dying alone than i am, since you are a few decades older.

[KrakenAttackin]

@MrOracle. You are wasting your breath bruh, you can't tell modern women shit.

[googleplus]

@msc545

nah I fear GOD
and listen to what he says

society is karath

[Sam_The_Savage]

Rich men never get old & ugly in girl eyes... no Matter it's a modern or outdated woman.

Stop arguing with this cunts they spend their entire life on social media n suck stranger d**k in pm.

Go do work guys.

[googleplus]

@Sam_The_Savage

what work?

[StunningANDbrave]

@DianaWest You wanna talk shit but you're nothing but a weak bitch larping.

[DianaWest]

@StunningANDbrave you're the weak bitch because you are obsessed. i am sure men that are happily married have so much time to go online and harass women they don't know. i didn't even talk to you first you cock sucker. why don't you go kiss your wife's ass instead of harassing women online wiener? did she not let you? did she tell you to go on Gag and harass women, or are you here looking for a girlfriend? buy bitch. go kiss your wife's ass and stop harassing women. i have better things to do than waste my brain cells on someone i don't know and could care less about.

[StunningANDbrave]

@DianaWest Blah blah blah talk talk, that's all you retarded bitches do. Shut you mouth cunt. You came into this thread picking fights with everyone here because your weak ass who can't handle the truth.

[Sam_The_Savage]

Why you guys even taking this cunts seriously? Even from years now they will found here only. Leave this cunts alone. Make money guys.

[StunningANDbrave]

@Sam_The_Savage Who says we are taking them seriously? It's funny watching these cunts get their panties in a twist.

[nella965]

@StunningANDbrave

The truth is women in their 30s are all happily giving Birth like crazy. There are wayy more women in their 30s giving birth than women in 20s.

[nella965]

@stunningandbrave

Misogynists like to say that men aren’t attracted to women in their 30s. YET, women in their 30s are having the overwhelming majority of the babies in this country. So obviously there are men that are still going for all these pregnant 30 something yr old women

[StunningANDbrave]

@nella965 "Misogynists like to say that men aren’t attracted to women in their 30s"
They aren't, and it has nothing to do with some delusional hatred of women, it simply is what it is, the claim you're making is the same one that men can make about women's hypergamy, the human condition isn't pretty, neither of us can change that.

[nella965]

@StunningANDbrave

statistics prove you wrong though. 30 something yr old women are having all the babies. Average age of marriage is 31 for women in 2020.

[nella965]

@StunningANDbrave

who dedicates HALF THEIR LIFE angrily writing posts online disparaging women over 30?

If u don’t want to date 30 yr old women the date 16 yr old girls. NOBODY CARES.

Other people’s dating lives and fertility HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU. SO WHY ARE YOU SO OBSESSED?
BECAUSE YOU SIMPLY HATE WOMEN!!

[nella965]

If u don’t want to date 30 yr old women theN***. date 16 yr old girls. NOBODY CARES

[Sam_The_Savage]

I agree 30yrs old woman can have babies.. but woman are not only for producing kids. There is life beyond all this nonsense.

[StunningANDbrave]

@nella965 The op already proved you wrong several times, like I said earlier it's now the point of diminishing returns.

[StunningANDbrave]

@nella965 Apparently you care, and women over 30 otherwise you wouldn't be so angry. The fact of the matter is the higher value men and most men in general are not looking for women in that age range and those same women are not in their prime fertility. You can view it as the duality of the sexual market place. You have more value when you're younger, men have more value as they obtain more recourses and status. Typically that comes later in life for men which is why you see these 20 something's hooking up with older men.

[nella965]

@StunningANDbrave There are men who would date or marry a woman in her 30s. My father married my mother when she was 34. All the women in my family married in their 30s.

The average age of marriage for a woman in 2020, was 31.

Not all men are perverts like you who base women purely on looks. Go ahead and date 16 yr olds if you think they are not enough

And what makes you think that just because you want a 20 something yr old , then it also means that they want you?

I’m 25, I don’t find 38-40 yr old men attractive. Trust me, overwhelming majority of us aren’t looking for daddies or fat old uncles.

What makes you think you don’t age? Just wait til you’re 40, you’ll find that you’re not attracting 20 something yr old girls anymore. Then you will have to settle for a 30 yr old woman

[nella965]

@StunningANDbrave

20 something yr olds like men that are a few years older , not 10-20 years older. I’m 25, the max that I will date is 33. I don’t date 38 or 45 yr old men.

Just cus I like guys a few years older , it doesn’t mean I will also date a wrinkly , fat, saggy, balding old man. No woman finds that crap attractive

[DianaWest]

@StunningANDbrave the only words you know are "cunt," "retarded," and "bitch" because that's what you really are. i came here picking a fight? who was the instigator? i never personally insulted anyone or discriminated an entire sex. i only said "some men" or a considerable amount of men," not all men. you are the one discriminating and harassing women everywhere and using foul language without being given a reason. i am starting to doubt you even have a girl, much less a wife. who the hell would take you with all the resentment and anger you have for women? if you were a happily married man, you would not be harassing and stalking women on Gag and trying so hard to convince us of your "truth" that's been invented by your tiny brain.

you are the weak bitch because you can't take what you dish out. i have you so riled up that you can't wait to offer me a response. kindly fuck off. i don't care about misogynistic losers. their opinion is 0, and their brain cells are only slightly above that number. you can't even express yourself properly without foul language. you are the bitch starting a shit storm everywhere. i did not even talk to you or personally insult anyone, not even your buddies on here. i attacked their arguments, not them as individuals. i never used foul language with them. but you have proven how intellectually weak you are because you can't even formulate a proper argument. the women on here have you so upset you are on repeat like a broken record. "cunt," "bitch," "retarded." keep going. respond back with 1-2 sentences with cunt or bitch because that's all your brain cells can string together. bye now. this conversation is over. i don't know you, and could care less about what you think. try to let off some of that resentment and hatred. it's only going to age you, make you bitter, and destroy your health and quality of life.

[nella965]

Guys, Would you marry a woman who can’t have kids?

Guys, Would you marry a woman who can’t have kids? ↗

[nella965]

@stunningandbrave.

Check that link out and see the overwhelming number of men out there who say they would marry a woman who can’t have kids

[StunningANDbrave]

@DianaWest I'm not reading your wall of text bitch. Shut up.

[StunningANDbrave]

@nella965 probably because the court system fucks men and takes their children

"The True Facts About Child Custody for Men in The US: Fathers are granted custody only 18.3% of the time; Mothers are awarded child support nearly 2 times as often as fathers are; Fathers are awarded nearly 10% less, on average, in child support; Fathers receive less of the awarded child support than mothers"
Regardless they still want to date women that aren't in their 30s

[nella965]

@StunningANDbrave

Now you’re onto your next topic so that you can trash women some more.

What you’re saying has nothing to do with our topic in the conversation right now. U just brought it up as another excuse to hate on women

[nella965]

@stunningandbrave

You can stop obsessing over fertility because you would never have children or a family. No woman would want to marry a misogynist like you

[nella965]

@stunningandbrave

I’m just telling you to give up thoughts about children or having a family. There’s no way any woman would want to marry a “woman hater”.

[nella965]

@stunningandbrave

Do u really think we can’t see you’re a woman hater? We aren’t stupid.

[StunningANDbrave]

@nella965 quite frankly dear, you guys deserve to be shit on and don't hear it enough. That statistic I brought up is in direct correlation to what you were arguing, "guys don't even want kids" I gave you the exact reason why. Would you?

[StunningANDbrave]

@nella965 if I truly hated women I wouldn't have decided to marry one, you are so used to these simps kissing your ass that the moment a guy keeps it real with you you think he's "misogynistic" why do you feel that way? Because I'm telling you the truth and do not at all agree with what you're saying? Have you considered the fact that those people filling your head with bullshit propaganda are lying to you? The truth is women need men, and men need women. This whole division between the two is absolutely retarded.

[nella965]

@StunningANDbrave

Statistics and numbers prove you wrong. so there is no truth to what you're saying.

You would date a 9 yr old girl, if she had breasts. fucking pervert.

[nella965]

@stunningandbrave

you're not married either. The misogynists on here are usually single , childless, and miserable. Because if you were in a happy relationship and had kids, you wouldn't be so bitter and miserable.

Only men who can't get women would spend HALF THEIR LIVES bullying women on here.

[nella965]

@StunningANDbrave

[The truth is women need men, and men need women. This whole division between the two is absolutely retarded.]

Women do not need a boyfriend or husband to have a kids and grand kids. Women do not need a man to raise her children. On the other hand, a man cannot have a family without a woman. Men need women wayy more than vice versa.

[nella965]

@stunningandbrave

Its hilarious how you make fun of older women for their lack of fertility. A woman can always get pregnant, if she wants kids. There's no such thing as a woman who can't have kids. Women are guaranteed a family.

On the other hand, I can't say the same for men. You're much more likely to die alone as a man than a woman.

[nella965]

@stunningandbrave Single women can have kids. Single men can't.

[Anonymous]

A little? I think men are spoilt, whilst at the same time feeling lonely.

It's hard to describe but the influx of hook up culture, and girls sleeping around to prove a point is spoiling lots of young men hahaa. In university, not a single one of my male friends has had long term girlfriends, just hookups all the time. And whoa it does wonders for the ego.

Privately I think a lot of men - no matter how much they enjoy sex with strangers - also want someone to connect with and who will appreciate them. A girlfriend. But the thing is, with a hookup, you don't necessarily have to like her a lot or agree with anything she says, but in a relationship, you're looking for someone specific. Then, the girl who's obsessed with twilight and wants a feminist as a boyfriend is suddenly looking really undesirable. Perhaps things will improve as everyone gets older?

On the contrary, I have not found those difficulties in my own relationships because I'm a bit different. I personally don't really desire independence, not over the chance to family with the right person anyhow. Two heads, two people working together, are much better than one. So my fiancee is 9 years older than me and making lots of money. That's just the way I like it.

[hi_it_is_me123]

Only mgtow incels who will be naturally eliminated forever anyway. Look at male's opinions who only blame women since they are manchild that can't take responsibility and accountability. Most of the incel comments are from leftovers. They call women over 30s or single mums leftovers although majority of them are over 30s years groomers or are single dads that is obsessed with female youth. I am done with this incel community on gag that blame every shit on women. They just want women to be young virgin cucks that accept the used up whorish behaviour of these used up old manwhores. I will get dislikes since i dont hate my gender. Hating on women make you get likes as you see but genders reversed make you get stoned. Wtf is with gag that is home for these retarted mgtow incels. I am happy to be a middleeastern girl who does not have to deal with western guys like the gag guys. Look at them how they proudly say they only use women for sex. I hope they get stds. They deserve it to get stds since they are hypocritical manwhores.

[MCheetah]

- Shit all over all the opposite gender with zero empathy or understanding towards them.
- Take zero responsibility for your own actions which contributed to this.
- Get mad when the opposite gender has had enough of you and your shit.
- Then call OTHERS "incels" and sexists without an ounce of self-awareness.

It's like a wall of projection coming from you. And an 18-24 year old Anon; real surprise there.

[hi_it_is_me123]

Fool. Fuck off. You expect me to have symphaty for mgtow incels that only hate us, fucktard? Do you have symphaty with feminazi, piece of shit. Yes it is always women's fault. Never manchild's like you

[apimpnamedslickback]

you have so much anxiety and anger. you need a good dick.

[hi_it_is_me123]

Shit all over all the opposite gender with zero empathy or understanding towards them. " where? You see mgtow incels as men?
"Take zero responsibility for your own actions which contributed to this. " you guys are doing this. I onmy manchild whining about men
"Get mad when the opposite gender has had enough of you and your shit. " i am middleeastern gilr and gag dont represent majority of men. I only see women had enough of you and your bullshit, otherwise you all would not be unmarried in your 30s. So you are all leftovers and cry that want you all. Where were you in your 20s?
"Then call OTHERS "incels" and sexists without an ounce of self-awareness." I never said that woman are not at fault. But i dont believe it is only women' s fault. I only call mgtow guys like this.

"It's like a wall of projection coming from you. And an 18-24 year old Anon; real surprise there." Thell that incels who harrass, stalk me. It does not matter hoch i block them. They make new accounts I make it anon for safety reasons

[hi_it_is_me123]

And you need a food strap on dildo fag

[hi_it_is_me123]

@MCheetah look of course women are not 100% right. But please read these replies without being biased and think about it genders reversed. I dont deny it that there are bad women but i can't stand it when people generalize. None of you know the whole female population. I am only speaking about mgtow guys and some male replies. I dont generalize. So how is it sexist? What sexist is that some make gagers generalize all so called modern women. In my opinion these people attract what they are and then complaina bout all women. This is the same as immature girls who date badboys but then hate on all modern men. Do you have statistics and studies that prove that all modern women are like this? How would you feel if you only see some male gagers trashtalking only women without looking at themself if the genders were reversed? You also misunderstand me. Can we discuss without generalizing and insulting? I really want to understand guys like you but please let me explain myself. I am sorry for being rude before and sorry if i was really sexist.

[hi_it_is_me123]

I am sorry for offending anyone. It just made me angry seeing people generalizing a lot.

[hi_it_is_me123]

My internet dont work well. I will be off many days. So dont reply to me

[hi_it_is_me123]

@McCheetah just answere me. am i sexist for thinking that single men over 30s, single dads, promiscuos or non virgin are leftovers? If yes, i will change my mind. Should women over 30s kill themself? I only see many guys trashtalking women who ain't young anymore although these guys ain't young too. Studies prove that men's sperm quality decrease. Majority of women ain't young.

[hi_it_is_me123]

Should non traditional aka working women in their 30s kill themself? If men only want women to be traditional young virgins, then women either have to become actresses and give a shit about their own feelings to find a man or they chase their dreams. Of course there are women who love to be traditional but i see no reason to live if i am going to be a fucking housewife. Do you really want a women who force herself to act like someoneelse to please you?
If this meany that no man will want me, then i am fine with it.

[hi_it_is_me123]

Look at the traditional 30s years old women in the commentsection who become a little suicidal and feel worthless since they are told that no man want them due their age. I dont understand.. you can prefere what you want but the hate towards non traditional women in the commentsection is not normal. Would you really make a nice post after seeing bunch of of people hating on you?

[hi_it_is_me123]

"Shit all over all the opposite gender with zero empathy or understanding towards them." I only see guys like you who shit over all opposite gender with zero empathy/understanding and call women leftovers for not being young enough for example. I also talked about specific gagers and mgtow guys and NOT about the whole male population. So i did not generalize men unlike the male gagers who generalize all modern women without studies, statistics or any fact.
"Take zero responsibility for your own actions which contributed to this." Manchilds like you take zero responsibility for their own dating life and then blame the whole female population. Did i force you to date bad women? You attract what you are. This is the same as girls who date badboys but then complain about modern men. Why do you guys blame women like me for your dating life? I prefere nice young virgins and i dont care about their money. I have approached guys and pay my own things and i also paid their things because i respected them.

[hi_it_is_me123]

"Get mad when the opposite gender has had enough of you and your shit." I am only mad at mgtow incels. I think you are just mad at women for not dealing with your shit. I am ok with majority of men.

"Then call OTHERS "incels" and sexists without an ounce of self-awareness. " i call incels incel, and majority of men. Look at the definition of it. If you generalize my gender and trashtalk my gender then what are you? I think you are the one without an ounce of self-awarenes. I know that men have struggles and there are sexist laws towards men. I know marriage laws are antiman. I am just done with hypocrisy of some guys. I get called sexist for prefering young virgin guys but these guys can prefere young virgin girls although they are promiscuos or non virgin and ain't young

"It's like a wall of projection coming from you. And an 18-24 year old Anon; real surprise there." It is like a wall of projection coming from YOU. I am anon due to safety reasons. I get harrassed, stalked etc. Blocking does not help me, since they creat new accounts.

[hi_it_is_me123]

*** i only called incels incel and NOT the majority of men. Majority of men are nice and cool. I have no problem with them. Maybe you are ok too but we misunderstood eachother

[hi_it_is_me123]

I am sorry for being harsh, and rude in my first posts by the way

[KWill90]

MGTOW are pathetic. But nonetheless, you proved their point. Look at how you're acting, like a man. It's not lady like and men don't find that attitude and anger attractive. Why the hell would someone want to be legally and financially tied to a woman that loses her shit and acts like an alpha?

[hi_it_is_me123]

How do men act? So masculinlity is a bad trait? You hate it when your tasted your own medicine? Respect is earned. Earn my respect i will be nice. It is obvious why i reacted like this. I am done with hypocritical manwhores. I am not going to be nice to them.
Ladys or women ain't naive beta cucks. Why do want women to act like a beta cuck with not self respect? Why do men dont talk calm or nice when they talk about feminazis? Do you really except me to talk nice about mgtow incels?
Testesteron make men more calm, while less Testosteron make men more angry like women.
What hell would someone want to be to be legally and financially tied to an incesure beta cuck that is afraif of alpha women?
Oh thank you calling me like this 🥰😍

[hi_it_is_me123]

@KWill90 how do ladys react when they get cheated? Do they thank their husbands or dont get angry lmao? Do you seriously except from women to not get angry? I have been on this site 3 years and i have dealt with them many years. I get harrassed, stalked and despite blocking them since they create new accounts? Do you really think i can have patience and be nice with so many incels on gag? I have deactivated my account many times. This site turns you into a fucking femcel when you spend so much time on it.
Look at a traditional woman who get called leftover for not being young anymore and how she gets hurt by it? What do you want from us? Kill ourself for not being virgin traditional submissive young girl? even a traditional woman get insulted.
I swear for these mgtow and incels will be big backlash like feminism today have. You will beg for me. I am even too soft. Yes i act like a femcel sometimes but thank the gag for it.
At least thank you for not being hateful to me. Yes i should react less angry and more nice but i try my best but some replies make me angry So i am sorry

[hi_it_is_me123]

Whatever sorry for everything

[hi_it_is_me123]

@Kwill90 read many replies by male gagers without being biased and think about it gender reversed. Do you really think it is fair to generalize all modern women like this? Gag loose more and more female users because of the incel community. Under almost every take or question i see just incels that generalize and trashtalk women without mentioning any studies, statistics or scientific fact while i get dislikes when i only say some men and put statistics, studies, scientific facts. After seeing under every question, post whatever someone who hates your gender, you can't endure this anymore.
Whatever sorry for everything.

[StunningANDbrave]

@KWill90 that's not alpha behavior, this is the rambling of a psychotic bitch.

[hi_it_is_me123]

Says the mgtow fucktard

[hi_it_is_me123]

Omg stop spaming

[hi_it_is_me123]

You are the one who do Rambling of psychotic bitch, piece of shit. Dont spam me anymore. fucktards like you insult me but also get triggered when i defend myself and ain't nice to morons like you

[hi_it_is_me123]

Anyway mgtow morons and incels will be eliminated forever since they dont procreate and any sane woman won't procreate with them. This is why i love evolution.

[hi_it_is_me123]

Some of you blocked me and i block them back. I only discuss in dms. I dont want to get bothered anymore.

[hi_it_is_me123]

Here my last post. I see many guys blaming their dating life on all or majority of women. I am middleeastern woman but i would be happy for not dealing with such retarded western guys. Fortunately gag do not represent the majority of western.

[hi_it_is_me123]

And believe me in 5-10 years when there will be a huge backlash on mgtow and incels, then you all will beg for me. I even am too soft. I try my best to not generalize. I even put statistics, studies etc. I only call incels incel. Look at the definition of it. I really dont understand why some of you get triggered by it. Now calling incels incel make me a b

[hi_it_is_me123]

@Kwill90 do you see that guy? How can i remain calm when people insult me or trashtalk my gender?

[hi_it_is_me123]

@KWill90 i saw your post. I am dissappointed in you. Yoou also call women leftovers or damaged goods. You are 31. Your sperm quality is decreasing. So you get shittier sperm quality. The older you get, the more health issues you get. If a leftover or damaged good is a thing, they you are the damaged good by this logic. Are you a virgin or a damaged good? So it is women's fault just because some of them give sex easily although you also give easily? See i can't stand this hypocrisy

[hi_it_is_me123]

@KWill90 please read your post and many other's guys post. If the genders were reversed you all would stoned and get called feminazis. Look at the definition of sexism. Why do you all generalize, use degrading words to degrade women. Many of you are also hypocrits since you complain about easy women but you are the easy one with no self control.

[hi_it_is_me123]

I also apologize myself for reacting so harsh and offensive. And sorry again.

[hi_it_is_me123]

@KWill90 still thank for not being rude to me

[dmgstarfleet]

You use the term “manwhore” as if it were some kind of insult. Women get offended by being called a whore. Men take it as a compliment and accomplishment.

[t-8900]

I'm just curious what you expect men to do exactly. Anytime we try to bring up anything it's just "mansplaining" and we're "misogynists". Plus if you listen to actual MGTOWs most aren't even toxic. Taylor the Fiend, Rollo Tomassi, Better Bachelor. You just take in what you want to hear from some of the big names but you never bother to delve any deeper. Bet money that if alimony was eliminated from marriage contracts and parents got equal custody that marriage would go way up. Women have too many options and what I mean by that is that she can just replace her man the moment she gets tired of him, cheat on him, get pregnant with another man, than fool her husband into paying for that kid until he finds out and it's too late. Also how are incels going to get stds if they can't get laid... like what? You are so confused lmao

[hi_it_is_me123]

I am done with repeating myself. I have answered these questions thousand times on my older posts or on this too. Just read lol. You are twisting my words. Say things i did not say. I am really done. Yes, everything is our fault. Women are demons. If you are happy with it, f off now. I dont even disagree with everything you say. I am more and more inactive on gag due to attacks, harrassment, death threats by incels. Keep being ignorant and hypocritical since none of you react the same to the posts of incels even though they generalize, trashtalk, insult etc. women. I did not do any of this. Mgtows and inceks ain't necassarily virgins. A virgin ain't incels. Stop insulting virgins like this. Incel mean right now antiwoman person. Mgtows can be players. Mgtow did not mean going monk. This is what mgtows told. My problem is with players or piece of shits who use single mums, women over 30s as sextoys. Go read the male gager's posts who proudly admit how they want to use single mums or women over 30s for sex.

[t-8900]

well anyone who gives you death threats over differing opinions is a fucking loser. and if they have a dick between their legs their missing the balls and spine so sorry about that. I would consider myself red pilled but I dont hate women. I just accept that both genders have a nature about them. Most women won't look twice at a guy who checks off most of the boxes but doesn't make as much as her. It's really fucking unfortunate. But all's I can do is try my best to be the best I can be and hope it pans out and I can find someone who knows there's more to life than money. I'm a Christian... in 2021 who believes in the sanctity of marriage... do you know how fucking hard it is for me to continue existing in this world? It's fucking depressing as shit. I had one fling in my life, it was emotionless, it was primal, it made me sad and dirty. I haven't had sex since because i want a deep emotional connection with a woman. Today women AND men are detached so badly it's sickening. I dont blame feminism fully but also the porn industry and I also blame social media which i think was the catalyst for all our problems.

[hi_it_is_me123]

So you are saying mgtows like colltaine, Thinkbeforeyousleep ain't toxic? The have big channels Please listen to them and tell me what you feel when the genders were reversed and these guys tell the same shit about men? I dont have a problem with non toxic mgtow but popular mgtows are toxic. I have seen their subscribers talking how they wanna inform their married friends about mgtow and try to destroy their marriage and then they complain about their wifes disliking them. If a feminist did that, she would be stoned online. Women ain't perfect but if you demonized them, you will get baklash

[hi_it_is_me123]

@t-8900 wait oh sorry i thought you are toxic a redpiller/mgtow. I am really sorry. I actually agree with many points of yours. I am also suicidal lol.

[hi_it_is_me123]

Again yes women have problems too. There are surely many toxic women but unfortunately society potray women as angels which is stupid. I also agree that marriage laws are sexist and antiman. We should care about men too.

[hi_it_is_me123]

I really hope the best for you and i hope everything turns good for you. If you are christians, may be try to approach girls at church?

[t-8900]

I'm a man just looking to give my love to someone who can appreciate my efforts and be as loyal to me as I am to her. My whole life I just wanted a damn wife and kids. It feels like I'm going to die alone without ever knowing love.

[t-8900]

private message? Better to talk there maybe?

[ashwathama567]

Because men and women are different, different rules apply. Men and women value different things in each other. If women valued virginity in men, then more men would be virgins, but you don't. For thousands of years, men have valued virginity, that's not about to change because you're mad at what men value. If a man has to be what you want, then equally so, you must be what a man wants. It goes both ways.

[AmandaYVR]

Yes.
But it may have originated from women giving up on men.

[OlderAndWiser]

Not me, dear, but I have already been claimed by a special lady!

[Iron_Man]

But you’re from the old school style and you’re dating old school woman Close to your age

[OlderAndWiser]

@Iron_Man I am 66, she is 57, but most importantly, she is Chinese-American.

[Iron_Man]

Yes that’s why you have a good shot at it. Can you imagine if you were 29 dating a 23 year-old girl now a days good luck with that

[OlderAndWiser]

@Iron_Man You got to be careful in the initial selection process. And it's still rolling the dice.

[Iron_Man]

Always look out for who you’re dating. I also want to tell you that you’re following one of my trolls that has been pestering me for the past six weeks

[Sarahr123]

@Iron_Man I have a boyfriend who is nearly 29 and have been getting proposals from boys 29-33. I just turned 23.

[Floppy2112]

She's a spy! JK... Good for you, man.

[KWill90]

He went shopping for a wife. He bought her.

[OlderAndWiser]

@Iron_Man DM me with the name.

[Iron_Man]

Ok…….

[hellionthesagereborn]

As other have said, men are giving up on the "modern" western woman because they offer ruination and misery. Who wants to enter a relationship with a woman that tells you you have to be traditional and protect her and provide for her and be the leader in the relationship BUT tells you having any expectations of her at all is sexist so she will not do anything traditional, she will get the benefits of traditionalism and the benefits of a "equal" relationship without any of the responsibilities?

Who wants to marry a woman that has been sleeping around for years and now has decided that she is willing to give you a shot now that she isn't as attractive as she once was and all she is offering you in return for all your loyalty, love, sacrifice, money, and protection is sex which she will only provide you when SHE feels like it (and that could be often or not at all)?

Who wants to marry a woman who is raised to hate you and everything you stand for, tells you you need to be a leader but then insults you and tells you your a piece of shit for trying to be the leader she demands you be? Who tells you that only a strong man can date her as a single mother. . . but would never think of dating a man who is a virgin, or who doesn't have his shit together?

Who would want to enter into a binding contract. . . that only applies to him and allows her to steal half of everything he has ever made and owned and to steal away his children from him with absolutely ZERO recourse on his part (and thus is incentivized to destroy his life this way)? Even if she isn't going to do it, its still agreeing that she gets to put a loaded gun in your mouth and your still sitting their hoping that she won't pull the trigger.

So men have given up on THESE women. But if you have a traditional woman, no I think men yearn for a traditional woman with a traditional relationship (and I think deep down inside women do too hence why women are so depressed these days as they don't have what they really want and can't bring themselves to admit they have gone down the wrong path so they can fix these problems and get what they actually want (a loving commited traditional relationship).

[StunningANDbrave]

Quality post

[hellionthesagereborn]

@StunningANDbrave Thank you.

[StunningANDbrave]

You're welcome 🤙

[Qdbrown]

Many Asian countries, especially Japan and South Korea are way ahead of the West, and the men flat don't want to mess with women anymore by a huge percentage.

As the negatives for men go up, the risk adversion behavior will go up. Women tend to demiss a lot of what is going on, but only the guys who want to play are really left in the market. Long-term relationships and marriage are going the way of the doe-doe bird. People are still getting into these relationships these days, but they are getting rarer as time goes.

Temporary relationships are where we are heading. Men like variety and women hate to be bored. It's probably safe to say most people will have multiple partners in the future. More people will live alone and just have friends around their stomping area.

In Korea many women are waking up at 35 wondering why no kids, just pets, often cats. Women here in the West don't even care about marriage until they're 35, and then disappointed that most men will not wife them up. Most women expect to start a family of at least one kid which is risky at those older ages.

It's alarming how many women are going out like men from 18 to 35 acting like men. They are getting huge body counts, and act like men with career and ambition. Women cannot figure out why a man now avoids woke with masculine energy, a lot of education and a big career. In their minds, they should be a catch. But in reality these women are very hard to live with, are demanding, unapologetic, uncompromising, and hypersexualized. A young and dumb guy might like that, but for a marriage partner that is a sheer nightmare. That is almost certain divorce and the misery to get there. You know you're going to lose your kids and most of your stuff, just to get a moment to be with her.

Are men giving up? Yes! Why, because it's better to have a good life than make it all about another who will one day turn and attack you. That's what men are avoiding. Fortunately with online dating and the hookup culture that it has brought, most men are practically invisible the first part of their life. Given that many have found other things to do to keep them busy, it's either an easy score with the easy girls online, video games and anything else that makes them feel good.

[Floppy2112]

Yup. Unfortunately.
Well fortunately for me I guess, but I am not exactly trying super hard, or at all at the moment. Men have been getting a raw deal for a long time. Either wokeness, modern feminism, and/ or metoo finally broke men. I have one foot in and one foot out. I am not going to pass up a chance for real love and a good relationship, but I will absolutely accept dying alone over being is a vapid, toxic and draining relationship. It's just not worth it.
Men have been getting a raw deal for a long time. Just based on the things you can actually measure. For instance, 80% of divorces are filed by women. Most of the time women leave relationships. Then you add in some situations where men have been ordered to pay alimony to women they lived with even though they weren't married. Child support for kids that she had with somebody else. I digress...
I think it was metoo that finally broke men. It was the moment when men started getting in trouble for innocuous things at work. Like staring at a woman, asking a woman out, any perceived impropriety started ruining men's lives without a shred of due process. Women, obviously had many stories of men behaving badly and I have no doubt many of them were true. But not all of them were and many innocent men lost everything over a mere accusation of improper behavior. And 'lost everything' is not hyperbole, they lost their jobs, reputation, families, etc. 'Believe all women' is the most dangerous tagline in history. I think enough of these incidents happened and men lost faith. They may like women, but they need self-preservation and since it was women who could ruin their lives, they made women the enemy. This phenomenon is growing like wildfire.
You can call the manosphere, red pill, MGTOW, etc. all the names and mock it all you want. These men don't care. And they are out. They have unlimited free porn for their urges and peaceful lives and more and more men are joining in. I am actually shocked at the growth of these spheres just in the past year. It has to at minimum doubled in size. And sure mock them if you want, but everyday some man is having a bad experience and those men are leaving the dating scene, more and more. Men are tired of getting screwed over.
It may not be noticeable to women yet, but give it another year and I think it's going to start to affect women's lives too.

[dmgstarfleet]

A high class escort will give a man sex with a beautiful woman (probably better than you could do dating) and will be infinitely cheaper than dating. She won't nag and will LEAVE before she becomes tiresome. In most countries where prostitution is regulated and legal non-"working girls" don't have such a bad attitude because they know men have alternatives. The illegality in the US of this has generated the current high maintenance, bitchy, entitled sexual camels that define the American woman

[Floppy2112]

@dmgstarfleet You have a point. Spending $5k to $10k for a weekend of 'girlfriend experience' without having to put up with the girlfriend is way cheaper. I am guessing the numbers, I don't know how much they actually cost. But the high class escort thing seems more and more appealing. I could afford to do that a couple times a year and would fulfill my desires and still let me be free. I am not there yet, but who knows some time in the future. It's way more economical and way less aggravating.

[Anonymous]

Honestly I am. I was born in the 80s, started high school in 2000, went to university by my early 20s. When I was 13 and started developing feelings for girls or had a huge crush on Pamela Anderson from Baywatch in the late 90s but I was wayyy too shy to talk to girls. I had 3 older sisters who would get mad at me just for playing wrestling video games for the playstation 1 or playstation 2 with female wrestlers in it or posting Britney Spears posters behind my door. For some odd stupid reason girls who are older sisters to younger brothers feel like they can control her young brothers sexual fantasy world. Meanwhile, my sisters did whatever they wanted, dated guys, had guys stop by the house when my parents weren't home. I think that was the first thing that pissed me off.

In high school, I went to an all White high school, now although I had White friends, White girls back then aren't going to date a guy like me who's skinny and shy and played basketball and talked about WWF wrestling was the second thing. I switched schools by grade 11 and went to a more diverse school but me admitting my feelings for a girl and going through bullshit of another guy (ex boyfriend) from another school who wanted to kick my ass for asking his ex girlfriend to prom was the third thing and her friends talked shit about me when I was in grade 12.

After high school, chat rooms and other on line things when MySpace was taking off around 2006-2007 I chatted with plenty of attractive girls online and posted my pics and they thought I was handsome and sweet. I dated a bit, talked to girls on the phone but nothing progressed. I met girls in university from different classes but nothing progressed there because uni is fast paced, and a lot of girls seem to be in their own world on campus so I didn't bother asking them out. There have been girls I met off dating apps and this was around the 2010s decade but I parted with some because it wasn't clicking, some blocked me or ghosted or didn't like which is fine, to each their own girls can make their own decisions.

Today, I'm in grad school and the pandemic sucks because we are isolated from each other and using Tinder and other apps is just awful. I feel like girls today who use apps or IG are looking for the hottest, richest dudes. I am a guy who wants to get his own house one day, finishing grad school, working in a fulfilling good salary career, to be a good father/husband, to help out when needed, believing in God, not drinking/not doing drugs/not showing off, being loyal and committed are my points of emphasis. Unfortunately, girls seem to overlook that which I don't understand, I am pursuing higher education, I don't want the spotlight on me, I can admit to my faults and be compromising but it just doesn't seem good enough. I think women and girls expect way more today and have higher expectations.

If girls and women beat themselves up over their looks because of what the media portrays, then how will women think being on social media or watching mind-numbing shows like the Real Housewives of Atlanta or some shit. It seems like women want to live the high life. But as a believer in God life is not perfect and it won't go in a straight line. It's easy to fake smile for IG pics and show people you are happy but how many people who seem to have the perfect life suffer depression or in silence? Millions actually or billions to be honest. I hope I meet the right girl soon who has the same values or maybe I inspire her and we move forward in life. My dad for example was the typical "shut up, don't make noise" or telling my mom "go cook and clean for me" type father and I didn't like that, men and guys shouldn't behave that way. Even in religious books, God states a woman's duty is not to cook and clean for him everyday, I have tried to be the best version of myself though I have things to fix but I am left pondering why am I left in the dark?

[zeitgeist057]

I wouldn't say "giving up" so much as relationship parameters are changing, we are moving away from traditional modalities and it's not just men doing that. Women are more independent now and doing their own thing a lot, as are men. It used to be that men did their own thing, and women were attached to them. Now there is more independence for women so they are off doing their own thing. I think there might be some expectation on the part of women that they are going to "have their cake and eat it, too"; that is to say live their independent lives and still have men chasing after them even after making it clear they aren't going to become attached or committed.

To be fair, men certainly will do that, but not all men, and likely fewer and fewer of the men that women seem to desire, and more and more of the desperate men with nothing else going on in their lives that women seem to disfavor.

But who knows what the future will bring? It's hard to see how things will develop and play out as technology and culture changes so rapidly.

[WomenAreInfants]

Women are more dependent on men than ever. They simply voted their way into a husband, funded by all men, that has no expectations of them, except more votes of course. I. E. the government.

Men still build everything in the world for them, do 95% of the dying in the job etc. Women in the USA have voted themselves over 100 rights, in law, that men don't have. Men have no rights that women don't have. Irrefutable facts. Female supremacy over men is life now. They hide it by crying ever louder about being oppressed by men, thus securing more rights/female privileges.

Letting women vote is the problem. Men vote for what's best for society, women vote for selfish self benefit, obviously.

[scott04sa22]

I've been trying very hard honey but they all keep on ditching me with somebody else who's always better then me then she quickly settles down with the guy she found when she was seeing me and if a girl truly likes me then her employer will offer her very large job opportunities and it's enough for her to persuade the job and forget about having a romantic life with someone. All this happens to me all the time honey.

Also I like girls with a little meat like between chubby and BBW. I like those types of girls but they always prefer the other guys than me in the uglies or the unattractives girls prefers stereotypes and taboos relationships like only date African-Americans or only date younger late teens guys.

I tried everything dating sites, locally and Facebook but no lucks.

Let's get to the point that I meant to be single and plus relationships ain't for everybody. It would be nice I can find someone good and spend time with them but she keeps on going to someone else who has lots more value than I have. Personalities monies and attitudes also plays a factor in it too.

[Anonymous]

Relationships are never going to be easy. But I’ve told (accurately and honestly) an older friend of mine about what I’ve experienced in dating in the last 5 years. At one point he said “Thank God I got married 15 years ago”.

Modern society is encouraging women are being encouraged to indulge in shitty behavior with no consequence. I’ve seen women confess to cheating on GaG without having remorse for what it’s done to their bfs/husbands. Rather they are looking for affirmation that it’s okay to be a selfish POS.

Also being rude to men is considered “strong” by feminist even if the guy just innocently says hello. Women are told it’s okay to ghost guys because of their “feelings” despite it being a very shitty immature and selfish thing to do. 4 years ago my ex girlfriend completely ghosted me (dated for 9 months) after we got in a minor argument during Christmas break. I have a former gal pal who said she was going to stand a guy up on date JUST because he called her “babe” in a text message. She showed me the entire conversation and he never mentioned anything about sex or acted creepy.

I’m trying to stay positive. But I’m ready to leave the USA and find a wife abroad in a culture that actually respects men for once.

[raw_is_war99]

I agree with every single word of this, but trust me something will shake this world much more in the future that will affect social thinking and social constructs of human behaviour. Look at Hollywood it's a dying industry, sure they make movies but it's not that special as it was in the past. Although cheating, infidelity and bad behaviour are seen as a positive let's be honest the pandemic rattled the core of this world to change. I know one day we will see a huge economic crash and another World War. Sometimes in life, unfortunately, awful things need to occur for self-improvement. Because I have heard and read people say that the pandemic and being home more often has taught people certain things in a good way. I think one day, girls/women will be hit with reality and change. My dad was the typical, work your ass off and break your back, women should cook and clean but I don't have that mindset like my dad. Many other guys are changing their ways than men from the 1950s, 1960s and so forth. Women are in this era of acting however without repercussions but eventually it will bite them in the ass.

[Opinion Owner]

@raw_is_war99 that is true. Modern society has gave women enough slack to hang themselves because looks will fad but a shitty personality won’t.

Just sucks that guys like you and me have to live thought this shit. I thought it was bad 10 year ago and just when you thought feminism couldn’t get any worse... holy shit.

Our country does need a reckoning unfortunately. They didn’t call the WW2 generation “the greatest generation” for nothing.

[Anonymous]

Ya tbh I have and I've talked to a lot of my friends about it. I don't know a single one bothering with women anymore. Only 2 ever got married and both are now divorced and still childless to boot. For me I was raised a Christian and I can't find a Christian woman. I mean a REAL by the scripture Christian woman. And besides all that I see where out society has gone with normalizing child strippers, drag hour, abortion, porn, sodomy, the narcissisms, entitlement, women with so many sexual partners they can't remember their names or faces... I'm sorry but I don't want to bring up children in this world anymore. I don't want my child being carried in the womb of a literal prostitute. No child of mine will be called the "son of a whore" and have it actually stick, I refuse it. It's simply not fit for raising kids these days.

As a Christian why would I bring children into this world when I feel that they will be influenced by all these people which are damned to hell by their choices? Why would I want to have children to damn them to Sodom and Gomorrah and potentially have them damned. Personally this who new society we live in today frightens and saddens me. You can go watch so many MGTOW videos and time after time and example after example you just see these women who think they are a prize and that men aren't even human despite the fact that the men they shunned retained virtue and they have none to spare. Sad, sad world.

[PatriarchalOppressor]

Divorced in 2010, which forced me to come to terms with my false illusions and enchantments regarding love and sex. Haven't dated or had sex in that time and have no intention of doing so in the future. Decided I'd rather live without women in my life, so reduced contact with women to only what was mandatory for day-to-day activities. It's been good this way. Retired to a life of leisure as well. Have many hobbies and am content with being single and unfettered. Life is good and I don't want to risk all that I've gained through an intimate relationship. I wish I were able to be this independent when I was younger. Live and learn. Am older and wiser now thank goodness. I know through experience that the grass isn't greener on the other side, which is why I lost interest in intimate relationships and sex, both of which can destroy your life.

[MikeEspy]

I used to have a dream of having a wife who was attractive, upbeat and uplifting, going on road trips, traveling, spoiling her with surprise gifts and having a large family who I would provide for and raise better than my own parents raised me. But being short and not the most financially successful guy ( I have been making over 100k /year for a decade though) I have been turned down by every women I cared for. They would go on to get their heart broken, and get disappointed as they went from one guy to another. The only women who showed any interest in me were single mothers and menopausal women, and between weird behavior (anger/rage issues (she was later committed for this), cheating, outlandish jealousy, disappearing acts, drug abuse, and severe emotional instability), even those relationships were doomed. I'm sort of a even keel person, so I can't handle those high stress situations. But regardless ever since I was a teenager, I have been on the receiving end of hatred, misandry and ridicule for being short, a man or just not severely leftist. By and by I see one woman after another who I felt I could have had a relationship with waste their life and opportunity to have children on 'exciting' (those who are self and vice focused) men and after getting F'd & C'd by enough of them, they become bitter man haters as well. Now my options seem to consist of women who are too old to have a family, who are unstable, and/or have been run through by dozens of men who I would not even invite inside my house. That or finding some woman overseas and then buying a private island so I can be relatively sure to keep her to myself. It is all so disappointing, and I am disillusioned with the things I was told about women. The worst part is realizing all my big plans were nothing but a dream and an illusion, and time has run out.

[Browneye57]

No. They still love pussy.
That said, there's a great reluctance to commit, cuz so many get burned. And young guys don't really understand the female dynamics, so they still get sucked in pretty easily. After one or a few rip his heart out and stomp on it, they start to wise up a little. Most still chase pussy though. They just don't get bowled over by her anymore.

It is rather expected that we just have our time with any given woman, and then she moves on to the next guy, and he has her for awhile. Hypergamy at it's finest.

[KrakenAttackin]

@Browneye57. Younger men are learning not to get married, however. It's one thing to have your live-in girlfriend let a basketball team pull a train on her. It's another thing for your wife to do the same thing. No matter how badly behaved a wife is, she still gets to leave with cash and prizes.

[Browneye57]

@KrakenAttackin - Everybody says that, but they only get what they contributed to. And why women should work a job, otherwise you have to support them, even if you dump their lazy ass.
And why anybody that objects to a prenup is a giant red flag.

My first and only divorce cost me right at $485K by the time I got done paying for the kids. Ex had a great job, so I didn't have to support her after the divorce. I did however give up half of our net worth, which turned out to be the much better half, I was basically left with nothing.

People ask why divorce costs so much... BECAUSE IT'S WORTH IT!

[KrakenAttackin]

@Browneye57. Modern pussy is like cocaine, might feel good in the moment but it's surrounded by some really heinous shit.

[Browneye57]

@KrakenAttackin - LOL. Yeah, I gather.
Like the twenty-somethings... pretty to look at, delightful to hold. Until they open their mouth and then all bets are off. :)

[KrakenAttackin]

@Browneye57. Very true.

[Anonymous]

Well not all are giving up I've been on a ton of 1st and 2nd dates for a fee years now. It seems some men would rather be lazy and not put effort into pursuing just 1 woman. They seem to be on a high from hooking up with many random girls and moving on to the next best thing that captures his attention. I never thought I'd still be alone at my age.. I'm attractive, no kids and have values. I still believe in tradition and want to get married, buy a house and build a life with someone.

The hookup culture killed dating and relationships.

Nowadays it seems nobody wants to put in the effort and work and commitment to make a relationship lift off everyone just wants immediate gratification and sex.

[White_Boy_506]

That is true to an extent but plenty of men that have given up on dating aren’t hooking up either

[Opinion Owner]

@White_Boy_506 exactly that movement is called MGTOW

[bamesjond0069]

"It seems some men would rather be lazy and not put effort into pursuing just 1 woman." Well not one woman offers the value women of the past did so we have to split our energies across multiple women and so y'all will mostly get just maybe 10% effort or so. When i date high value women which TO MEN means something totally different than to women, i pull out all the stops and go after her like crazy. But other girls yeah its just like netflix and chill and if you ain't down ehhh not worth any more effort than that.

[Lionman95]

In terms of dating I do. I gave up on women because no matter do or try I had to realize that no matter how much women talk about feminism most of them probably wouldn´t try to ask a guy out or even start a conversation of a dating app first even I write in my bio that I appreciate that and would like them do.
In all the other terms I don´t and probably will never do because women are extremely interesting in terms of how you sometimes make up your mind diffferently and solve problems differently which makes me never wanna live in a world without women. Also all your style of clothes/hair or make up.
I like it, especially that at least some women are extremely creative in choosing what to wear and how to combine it.
I hate that we live in a world where that´s taken for granted and we guys give so less credit for that so it´s sounds weird if one of us actually does.

[PeacefulRainDrop]

Yes many are; a lot I was interested in didn't want to try to date after being so hurt!

But found one that didn't say no even though he's been hurt he still saw the risk worth it cause essentially everything will hurt you; you have to decide whose worth hurting for.. Not hurting you as in physical or emotional abuse but accidents happen also if he dies first that will hurt. Hurt is unavoidable sadly there are ups and downs in life in relationships abd finding someone thats not chasing greener pastures is incredibly hard in a what can you do for me world... but there are some old souls that believe in fixing things that are broken not throwing them away that want to grow old with someone but they are incredibly hard to find took me 28 years (since I wanted to be married since playing with dolls haha..) but when you find your person its soo worth it!

[PeacefulRainDrop]

I go as far as saying I dont even blame them after the things I have heard!

[Andres77]

There are still toxic men.
There are also toxic women.
But...
The degree to which the current generation is being blamed for all the evils of the past is total bullshit.
So many of the young men now watched their single mom's busting their ass for the family and seeing the poor example of a husband and a dad that so many have provided... this generation of men is about as close to the right mix of appropriate manliness and sensitivity as any in history. We love our moms and won't treat our women like they were treated.
So with all this we're also fed up with being blamed for every evil thing in the world so if it seems like some guys are fed up... we are.
It's just not worth the time to invest in others who are ok with our inevitable destruction.

A little overdramatization but I think I made my point.

[harmseygracelu]

If you went by what the guys here say, you'd reckon so but thats not how it is. Guys would be lost without us, that's just how it is. I'm not sure if it's just the internet, or if it's just how America is. But geez, youse seem very caught up in which gender has which role and who is more oppressed and all I'd like to say is, toughen up. The girls here rule the roost and the guys don't complain, it's 'happy wife, happy life' here. And the girls don't complain about how oppressed they are. Yeah we have feminism and believe in womens rights, but we aren't pansies about it. So like I said before, toughen up.

[FireFox001]

You really had a drunk evening there, seeing them smilies stamped to your face.

Here, guys aren't exactly lost without women... they just pay for the sex and get it over with.

I find it curious, that often, older women ask this question and not the younger ones. As for me, I am okay with any relationship, family, etc. But no marriage. Never. It has lost its value - no promise of fidelity, and if the girl would leave me for somebody else, I'd be in a world of hurt. So no legal strings attached.

[MCheetah]

You're making this claim and you're literally not even a woman. Don't you have homework to do or something?

[harmseygracelu]

@MCheetah Just because I'm young doesn't mean I can't have an opinion and have it be somewhat right. Maybe you should come up with a better argument to support your view instead of being rude.

[MCheetah]

Maybe you shouldn't make rude comments on the internet and not expect any clapback from it. Maybe take your own advice and "toughen up" instead of doing the "get out of accountability for free because I'm a female" thing like so many others like you seem to do.

[Aakash_Hangargi]

What does rule the roost mean lol.

It's funny phrase I hope it's not what I am thinking it is 😂

[harmseygracelu]

@MCheetah Since when did I ever mention being a female to get me out of whatever you think I'm trying to get out of? I said that you shouldn't discount me because of my age.
And yeah, my comment could of been a little rude but guess what, it's the truth. And people aren't always gonna tie the truth up in pretty bows and sparkles for you.

[harmseygracelu]

@Aakash_Hangargi Rule the roost basically means to be in charge.

[MCheetah]

You missed the point entirely. The point was, you started off by talking shit, then tried to use some excuse ("you're being rude") to dismiss your argument, which I then called you out on. You get back what you put out there. And trying to say "it's the truth" means fuck all. I know you're a teenager and all, but I treat teens with the same respect (or lack of it) as I do anyone else. I dismissed your argument because you're trying to sound wise about life and relationships while being in the fucking 10th grade and having no life experience or wisdom. It's possible you're outside the norm, but your argument is too stupid to suggest being wise for your age.

In short, you said a bunch of rude dumb shit, and I called you out on being a teenager saying a bunch of rude dumb shit. Then later trying to hide behind the "meanies on the internet are harassing me" shit. Take it as a learning experience.

[harmseygracelu]

@MCheetah You don't get to teach me learning experiences, sorry. I said that americans are pansies and every adult I know would agree. And no, I wasn't using an excuse, just pointing out the fact that you shouldn't dismiss me because of my age. I'm not trying to sound smart about anything, I'm just expressing my opinion. You also know jack about me so you don't get to decide how 'wise' I am based off a few comments on the internet.

[harmseygracelu]

@MCheetah Alright, for some reason we're arguing about me which is pretty bloody stupid. So if you want an argument, here it is.

America sucks:

1. America has an obesity epidemic. Instead of going to the beach, going camping, fishing and playing sports from a young age, America has food packed with too much fat, salt, sugar and calories. Youse also have more fast food stores than I can count on my fingers.

2. 14% of US adults say they are happy, compared to Australia being the 2nd happies country in the world

3. America is way to fussed on politics (even though time after time, they elect bad presidents ), gender-identity, feminism and all that crap.

4. Americans are known for being arrogant, ignorant and selfish. They tend to think their country is the greatest of all time and everyone else sucks.

5. Gun laws. You have kids shooting up schools left, right and center. People who do not have the capacity to handle a gun safely, should not have access to one. Yet, people in America still argue for pro-gun laws.

6. America's air is extremely, extremely polluted.

7. America has a high crime rate

8. America has more problems with homelessness

And so, so many other reasons.

Australia's pretty great (but not perfect of course):

1. Australia is the second happiest country in the world

2. According to the United Nations, Australia is the second-best country in the world to live

3. 80% of Australia agrees that sport is an important part of our culture. Babies here learn to swim (like legit babies), Australia (mostly) rules cricket, football, swimming, tennis and more.

4. We don't have a million places to buy fast food and our food is relatively healthy.

5. Australia is arguably one of the most beautiful countries there is

I could go on by tons but I have homework to do

[harmseygracelu]

@MCheetah Alright, if you were as much of an adult as you seem to think you are, then you wouldn't be acting the way you are. You have never met me and never had a proper conversation with me, so who are you to tell me how dumb I am? That's what you're doing, calling me dumb.

Your first comment to me and every other one since has been sarcastic, rude, demeaning and immature (for your age). I never attacked YOU and I never attacked anyone really, I expressed an opinion (yes, in a blunt way, but that still doesn't give you a right) and you chose to take it the wrong way. That's your problem and not mine, and shows a lot about you.

I never spoke to you in a rude way. You may call me rude for again, expressing an opinion, but I haven't spoken to you the way you have to me. My opinion wasn't a personal attack, it wasn't directed at you, so why do you take it so to heart? Again, says a lot about you.

To speak to me, a 15yr old girl the way you have is not okay. You come across as rude, arrogant, sarcastic and quite silly. This is the last response I'll give you because quite frankly, you're not worth my time or energy. I'm actually incredibly smart, a good person and I try to treat others with respect. I know that and that's what's important, your opinion isn't. Check yourself before you try preach to other people.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@harmseygracelu by rule the roost you mean in charge. So you girls call the shots and the guys just go along with it?

[harmseygracelu]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 Yeah kind of. When I ask my brother in law something (for instance, to teach me to drive on the farm), he always says to ask the boss (my sister). But he is in no way a weakling or a pushover, same with my stepdad. The guys here just kinda go along with what they're wife says but they're still mans men.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@harmseygracelu it's odd to me. I have an older sister and this was never the dynamic.
But oh well if they like it that way and have a backbone when they need to I see no issue.

[harmseygracelu]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 Nah, don't get me wrong. My brother doesn't listen to me at all. It's the people that are dating or married.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@harmseygracelu I see.
I think it depends a lot on the couple. Some do work like that.

[harmseygracelu]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 Yeah it definitely does, I've just noticed that it works for a lot of people like that here.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@harmseygracelu it really depends on the couple dynamic.
I see many here that actually shame men who let woman take charge.

[harmseygracelu]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 Yeah but that's the internet, not real life. And it would depend on the culture which is why I say where I'm from.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

In Australia most couples are like that?

[harmseygracelu]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 Yeah from what I've seen

[genericname85]

yeah. and rightfully so. nobody likes entiteled, double standarted bitches that only want "equality" whenit benefits them but not when it means obligations or inconveniences for them. i'm by no means saying that all girls are like that. but that seems to be the dominant theme in society.

[genericname85]

also there's this very obvious devide. on one side women are asking men to be seen for more than their tits and pussies. and on the other side you see women on twitch, tiktok, instagram and basically all public contact points between men and women sexually objectify themself by showing off their bodies to exploit men... like wtf.

[Kate200005]

People can do whatever they want on SM but YES I agree do not complain if you are objectify after.

[genericname85]

of course people can do what they want. but what you can NOT do is do what you want and expect others not to judge for whatever stupid shit you just did. because social judgement is the thing that keeps you from spiraling out of control. and if you inhibit that process, that's what happens. and i see that happen on a big social scale.

again. not telling anyone they can't do whatever they want. but if you do whatever you do, you have to be mature enough to face the consequences, cause no action is without consequence.

[Kate200005]

agree

[genericname85]

what i see happening is people trying to eel thei way out of responsibility for their action by using the mechanism of "taking offense" to unhinge all social standards that we developed over thousands of years... again. i don't say all women or even "most women" do that. but the few that do, fucks it up for the rest of you.

[Dargil]

"Are men giving up on women nowadays?"

Contemporary women have become contaminated with Feminist, anti-male Social Justice propaganda. We feel they are land mines and, sooner or later, we will step on the detonator or some unrelated event will trigger it regardless of what we do. It's not that all Western women are all corrupt. Think of it in the Vietnam days. They would pour your coffee in the morning and cut your throat at night. But you don't know which one.

One call to the police or a lawyer and your life, business and future are destroyed. That's the basis of MGTOW. Men are choosing "incel" over dangerous relationships. I myself chose to shop offshore for a normal woman with traditional values. Gentlemen: There are millions of quality women in Latin America and the Far East waiting for your call. Stay away from the Social Justice Warriors. Wear a wire or body cam at work. And any hookup can eventually be fatal.

[Pasiton5]

Well hope not and hope so, hope not cause if they do then that's not good for procreation, there's already a world wide reduction in numbers if kids being born why, that's still being debated, and hope so cause be more single ladies running around, just got to get to them before other ladies get them turn them lesbian but on serious side, h here if we don't start being more responsible and account for it actions we will do away with our selves right out of existence, this so called battle of the sexes which is silly to begin with needs to end and both men and women must start to respect each other for who they are and be more responsible, just because you can do something like sleep around at will didn't mean you have to, why is it so hard to have self control that's good for both sexes control you behavior it's ask laid out by God how we should behave act treat reach other

[Azura_88]

Are?
They have a long time ago.
Most good women are giving up as well.
These so called men are getting free access to porn, hookups, one night stands so yeah according to their logic "Why buy a cow when you're getting milk for free?".

[Still-alive]

I haven’t given up yet ;)

[Azura_88]

Men don't value loyalty and honesty. Funny thing is they're ONLY mad that why dumb and codependent females doesn't EXIST anymore. "Who will I control, gaslight, abuse and also use as my slave and permanent pillar?"

[Azura_88]

@Still-alive hehe good for you :D

[Still-alive]

I just let it happen if it happens you know :)

[MCheetah]

Only the most desirable men in society are getting "hookups and one night stands." The majority of Western men under 40 are single and alone. Marriage rates are plummeting and divorce rates are skyrocketing. Comments like these from women always annoy me because it reveals their explicit bias; they literally only notice the Chads and completely skip over the vast majority of "average" men who are getting none of these things, and then wonder why men have an issue to begin with. The only attention you and other women are giving are on the few 9 out of 10 most desirable men who are 6'2' and live in the gym, while most men are getting NOTHING at all from women, and comments like these show a complete lack of awareness towards any of it.

[apimpnamedslickback]

porn and one night stands cannot replace relationships so if men are trying to start relationships with girls maybe it's because they can't find any girl who is girlfriend material.

[apimpnamedslickback]

*not trying to

[WhiteWolf69]

Some men are. I see that there are women out there that have unrealistic expectations of men and they hold every guy to those. When the guys leave them because it's too hard to try to meet those expectations the blame gets put onto guys that they are not good men or whatever the excuse is to shift the blame off of themselves on to someone else.

[Kate200005]

I agree with you that some people have unrealistic expectation, but I think it s both women and men. Why do they have such a high expectation?

[WhiteWolf69]

I have no idea

[ColoradoKid]

I have given up on women. Most of them just look at my appearance and don't even get to know me. So why bother? I don't have the time or energy to play games in that aspect of life.

Ya I am lonely and depressed most of the time... but I don't have any drama that comes with a relationship.

I figured that women my age would not play games like hard to get and what not. Nope they still play.

[Alejandro3000]

That sucks. Enjoy your life you know, like scuba jet ski, trips, sports, develop friendships. That's what life's all about. I became depressed when I found friends who all just wanted girls and clubbing. It depends where you are location wise. As the richer vibrant areas had people with better ambitions, the cheap locations had cheap people.

[TonyMetal___86]

Giving up on feminists and 90% of women are feminists 🤣

I'm a cave man and believe in gender roles, no way i can be with a girl who is a feminist and shout for women's rights!

I'd like to meet a woman who have the 50's mentality and adores becoming a housewife after marriage!

[Kate200005]

Good luck :) hahaha

[TonyMetal___86]

Thanks miss kate, good luck for you too 😌
I'm happy to be myself, you know why? Cause i never lie and never pretend and act, also i'm not manipulative...

I don't act like a casanova just to attract women to me and after that i show them my real face, i'm just myself "what you see is what you get" 😌

[Kate200005]

I don't act like a casanova just to attract women to me and after that i show them my real face, i'm just myself "what you see is what you get" - 👏👏 👏 so many fake people these days 😔

[TonyMetal___86]

True, many fake people and the majority are liars and cannot be trusted...

The worst feeling is that when everyone can trust you blindly while you cannot trust anyone, help as much as you can while there is no one who can help you, honest with everyone while you can't find someone who is honest with you... etc

[he-takes-a-part]

Yes coz when naturally they came up in early 20s and teenage days they were resisted on the pretext of asking for sex it was their natural instinct but womens and girls chose to be whim and mentally cntinued to do that with them over the ears when men changed their approach and realise uptil 25 that none can help them esp women apart from sex with which experience already has been shit so just talk and leave them up and the situation is most women find themselves rejected even if they are pretty enough coz the interest now is in money and now both are in competition range so who cares about women this in turn built some hatred for them in the longer run resulted into gender inequality and exploitation coz of utter bad experiences

[dmgstarfleet]

I know you think you have made some kind of point here but its not coming across-its a jumble of confused unrelated stream of consciousness incoherent ramblings. Take some Adderall and try again.

[he-takes-a-part]

Asker liked it mission accomplished for layman they will have to read thrice

[hahahmm]

Dunno but it's getting harder and harder for quality relationships to form because the number of quality women is shrinking and the number of men who think it's too much trouble to find the rare gems is increasing.

[johnsmithjs]

The young guys I talk to about this have given up, they basically tell me that it is cheaper both financially and mentally to just purchase a few hours a month then to deal with all the mental drama that some women try to dish out. I really do feel sorry for this younger generation, they are really missing out.

[Anonymous]

In what way? As far as asking women out, yes and did a long time ago. I've been rejected every single time, and now as I've got older it's hard to even find single women (in my area), never mind ones that might be interested back. I'm ok with being single and expect to be probably for the rest of my life. I hope in these modern times if a woman is interested in me, she'll let me know and approach, but I certainly don't approach, especially random women. This is why I always advise women to approach guys they like and not wait for him to approach. He may not. And not because he doesn't "like you enough". We don't approach for the same reason (s) you may not, nobody likes rejection.

[Katebfun]

Omg and this is why I'm still single is guys like you. I have asked out a few guys and been rejected evey time, why because biologically men are hunters and they should hunt us and try to pursue us! So if you're waiting for some random chick to ask you out you are going to be alone for the rest of your life good God

[Opinion Owner]

@Katebfun "Men are hunters" is silly in my personal opinion. We are all human beings, period. Regardless of gender, we all have the same thoughts, feelings etc. As I say, I'm fine with being single. And it's not to say I would never ask a woman out, but it's extremely rare for me to. I certainly don't "hunt" lol

[PeacefulRainDrop]

Worst someone can say is no.. its actually a benefit cause they aren't wasting your time! I've asked a few guys out.. 3 said yes and 7 said no 2 of the 7 changed their minds after I just stayed friends without benefits... guys will say their not ready or I got to work on me first to see if your truly interested or if you will go on to the next guy... Good guys are so rare and hard to find when I know a guy is a good guy I make a move before someone else takes him.. and after I got so many nos and the ones that switched into a yes one was long distance citizenship would be horrible to deal with.. the other one decided he wanted his crazy baby momma back after everything she did to him but then I never heard her side of the story.. so could have dodged a bullet! My second yes was after all those nos! Were still together over a year later hopefully for the rest of our lives! Youve got nothing to lose by asking.. I asked him if hed be interested in being my man? he's like fuck are you serious.. he had a fancy dinner planned and was going to ask me later that night but I cut to the chase haha.. dont wait for guys to ask you most guys get rejected over and over they just give up.. thats why if there's one that everytime your phone goes off you secretly wish its him well ask him! The first one I asked moved away.. life happens can't let it get in the way of a potentially good thing!

Tip: Ask the person if they are interested in three somes if they are you know they have wondering eyes and not worth your time and energy! ;)

I found my man on okcupid we were 94% a match I used the questions we didn't agree on as conversation starts after small talk happened.. free version is all you need I deleted the app in less than 3 weeks cause I was sure he was what I wanted and focused on that!

[PeacefulRainDrop]

Yes as women were taught to not put all our eggs in one basket but I am horrible at multitasking and thinking if you let a guy know other guys are interested in you doesn't make him move faster and ask you out like I was taught by my mom.. it actually makes him step back.. you dont look valuable stating other guys want you but you just want him you give off player vibes.

Its also hard for men to approach women with all the harrassment charges he could get.. a guy is less likely to make up false harassment charges.. its not easy to be a man or a woman in todays world!

[Katebfun]

@PeacefulRainDrop thanks for your advice. A man I met at an event a week ago asked for my number and I was the 1st to text and asked him to a free comedy event at a park, he said yes. I had a great time! I won't give up, the last guy I had asked out on Meetup turned me down, but I was with him a few other times with others and he's a total jerk. I'm glad I'm hindsight he said no. I'll keep on going after what I want then..

[Katebfun]

I know men are not hunters... But society has programmed women to believing this and we follow this stupid rules or play games.

[PeacefulRainDrop]

@Katebfun you have to do what feels right to you forget what your taught id still be single if I still followed that.. make the guy work for it.. play hard to get.. no one wants to put up with that especially looking to settle down! If you get turned down be thankful it gives room for the man you need to know your single... I think of it as if your collecting possible matches your not totally focusing on any of them how are you suppose to know he's a good match? Even though were taught to not put all our eggs in one basket when I believe thats the right thing to do.. why collect a bunch of rocks? Some good ones will fall through our fingers like sand its stressful... I found my man on okcupid we both deleted the app almost 3 weeks later... you know its someone special when every time you get a notification you hope its him.. he was the 3rd one I matched with.. I have certain questions I ask and according to those questions if there's any hope for us as a couple.. I want a partner I dont need to date a guy to know if he's a suitable partner... everyone always puts there best foot forward so dont sleep with them until at 3 months to get a genuinely good guy... sex is a wonderful thing but if you jump into bed with them too soon sex is all your relationships revolves around... I learnt this from my own relationship failures I also find once we have sex we make excuses for his off behavior our level headedness is gone.

[PeacefulRainDrop]

its good to lay the foundation first what are his likes and dislikes? How does he react when he doesn't get his way? How does he treat other people? Of course he's going to hold the door for a young beautiful lady but will he hold the door for the old man with the cane too? How does he treat waiters/waitresses? Does he talk with respect to them or talk like he's better than them? So many things to consider! Thats why I dont jump right into bed with a guy doesn't matter how much I want to if he tries to push himself on me he's out not worth my time.. if he waits until im ready thats a respectful amazing man... making them wait for the hug and kiss helps too giving them hope that your interested and they know you dont give yourself away freely they feel like your more valuable I find... hope this helps! Take things slow it does win the race yes other might get married first but there's also a ton of devorses... im not against devorse either sometimes its needed if there's unfaithfulness or abuse... no one should have to put up with that! Hope you two an excellent time at the comedy show!! Those are always a good time!!

[Katebfun]

@PeacefulRainDrop Thanks for your advice. The man that I met at a jazz festival after the comedy at the park I was tipsy and asked home to my place. I regret, hooking up with him this soon. I even told him that, and mentioned being friends. I told him it's about self respect and I didn't want a friends with benefits thing.. he agreed to being friends and said he respected that. He may just never talk to me again and not put forth the effort to get to know me. That's the risk I take for being honest. I don't want a full-blown committed relationship right away I just want a date and get to know someone. But I also don't want casual. I really like him and I want to date, but know no told him I wanted to be friends..
Yes I know hooking up too soon "may" ruin it. I got out of a situationship with a man months ago because he wasn't the one and didn't want to commit.
How do you play hard to get? Without playing silly games. It just seems like a whole waste of time to do that it seems like the one that's meant to be in your life it will just naturally flow and happen and you won't have to play any stupid games. But I do understand that you have to kind of not always be available and keep a little bit of mystery to yourself I get that.

[PeacefulRainDrop]

Well @Katenfun he seemed to understand and was supportive so message him say you had a great time with him minus the effects of the alcohol on your system you hope it doesn't ruin his opinion of you! But youd like to take him on another date but you will cut yourself off from drinking after 2 drinks... that way it doesn't make a bad judgment call again but side note you enjoyed the sex and you apologize its been awhile for you! You see potential in him and you want to actually take things slow to see if your a good match ;)

[PeacefulRainDrop]

Dont let a possible good one get away! Without knowing for sure he's not the man your looking for a lot of couples sleep together on the first date and are still together happily today.. one of my friends and her husband its never worked for me but that doesn't mean it won't work for you! I wish ya the best of luck!

[Katebfun]

@PeacefulRainDrop thanks 😊

[JackSmy]

I can't speak for other guys, but it just seems that there are so few women, that can offer anything but superficial bullshit, like make-up and clothes, and labels!!
That just makes me GAG, at how shallow, and pointless they are!!

Where are the really SMART ladies, the ones that want to do something with their life, make a difference, and be someone AMAZING, and not just some 'trophy" for some little dick boy, that has Daddy's money?

[WomenAreInfants]

One issue drives this problem; No Fault Divorce. No fault divorce translates to reality as 'man always at fault divorce'. Example: man cheats on wife, they divorce, he pays her. Woman cheats on husband, they divorce, he pays her. Man ALWAYS pays. This is a large part of the reason why over 81% of divorces are initiated by women.

Until No Fault Divorce is changed back to At Fault Divorce, and women actually have accountability for their actions in marriage, this problem of decayed and rotting marriage in the USA, will only continue to get worse. It will never happen, feminism insists upon freedom from responsibility for womyn.

[MrMilti]

Most woman have no idea anymore, what men look for in a spouse.

These women think of all they have going for them and believe, because of that they deserve the top men out there, not even spending one second about, what these men might look for.

Its just egocentic narcissism.

PS:
Not in my case, I got lucky and married the 1-in-a-thousand woman with a rational and sane mind. But getting there was really rough, I dated easily over 100 women, until I met her.

[Anonymous]

Yeah, I'm done with women. If I have a sexual urge ill fly out the country and scratch that itch somewhere else.


It's not worth it. Women don't want classic monogamy and they divorce and take half your money.
I like having money to my self.

And I'm probably gonna get a surrogate in the future to have kids

[Slartybartfast]

Been looking for a surrogate, it's about $70,000 -$100,000 including medical.

[Opinion Owner]

Yup I looked at those numbers years ago you can import from. Different country a chick it will be cheaper

[Anonymous]

Not all women, just most of them..

The modern leftist woman is unworthy of average male attention.. Because they aren't women any more.

I lucked out, I married a small town conservative girl who I love dearly.. A woman who supports family, and wants one of her own.. A woman who backs me no matter what, but also calls me on my shit if I'm doing something stupid.

Most modern leftist women don't want family, or children, and want everything for free and handed to them by the government. Disgusting.

[Anonymous]

Not for sex but relationships are not worth it for a man. Women have become entitled, lazy, frankly FAT, bitchy, demanding and leeches. Other than their vaginas (close your eyes and tell one from the other) they offer nothing of value while demanding much in return. Obviously this is a generalization-there are exceptions-but a good majority of women ARE the generalization expressed above

[Chthou95]

Most women aren't worth it. And even that small percentage of women that are worth pursuing, it's still rare to find them. Most women lie, don't know what they want, Have higher standards due to dating apps & won't take anything less. You have to wonder why a lot more men are giving up

[Dayman343]

Pretty much, all my past partners were in some way mentally insane it appears to me. I don't know if it's genetics or social conditioning but they can be illogical, deceitful, hurtful and money obsessed. I will never marry again, I will still bed a woman still but promise no commitment ever again. If I die alone, so be it.

[abc3643]

Don't worry about it.

Some men may allegedly give up on women, but their penises never do and, given enough time, the penis rules when it is not satisfied.

So, women have nothing to worry about.

[Katebfun]

😂😆🤗 so true and men are kinda weak when it comes to sex.

[johnsmithjs]

@Katebfun Some men are yes, but honestly when you can pay a woman $100.00 dollars for sex once a week and be assured that you will be satisfied compared to what other men have to deal with, why would any man deal with what the majority of American women are offering. I can see why a lot of guys would go the route of once a week compared to everything else.

[ohshee]

Umm Not this guy I'm thinking that's probably the last thing in the world that I would want to give up

[Kate200005]

😂😂

[ohshee]

You're crying LOL. No that's what I would be doing. Okay so I might have exaggerated just a little bit I think the only thing that I keep it up Is lima beans in oatmeal I did that years ago

[KrakenAttackin]

Absolutely. Women seem to need/want at least two men and are never satisfied with just one. You need the Simp to pay for all of your bad judgements and raise your kids as his own, and you need Chad Thundercock for bedroom excitement.

What quality man wants this kind of relationship?

[Daydreamer1983]

Well for me, yeah.

When you get constant mixed signals - either they text you all the time but are not interested, or they seem into you in person but never bother to reply or read when you message them.

When they seem to be interested in guys who treat them like shit, yet cry over them. When you get told you are the 'nicest' guy but yet they'd probably rather sleep with an ogre than even consider you in any romantic context.

Yeah, kinda done. What's the point?

[ForgottenFuRyan]

TL;DR: if you have to ask
Marriage, cohabitation, sex and childbirth rates are at all time lows and women file 80% of divorces, get custody and alimony in 90% of cases and can falsely accuse men decades later without consequence.

[Hairylegs222]

I have to admit a lot of times in my life I do. Then I try again and get so disgusted and frustrated I give up again. This has been the same loop over and over since I was 17yrs old!

Luck has a big part in finding the one for a man since we're going after women. I can't speak for all guys but I keep on giving up on women time after time again.

[msc545]

Yes, we are. We put up with all your whining and complaining and bitching for many years, but when you decided to weaponize the legal system against us, that was a bit too much. Virtually every man I know is done with women other than prostitutes - at least they don't try to take your children and everything you own and ruin your life with false accusations.

[Anonymous]

Yeah. One moment they tell you how much they like you, want to be with you, etc etc the next they say they don’t have feelings for you and go
for someone else. I’m done. Not worth the time or effort

[Alejandro3000]

The divorce rates in the UK are high and for ridiculous reasons like:
'Matthew get em'[She blocks him off with a pram]Girl got away with 60% of his assetts 😟

[KWill90]

In ways, yes. Most single women 25+ are damaged or just toxic. Why would I want to get involved with that? Feminism has made getting sex from women very easy and convenient. You don't even have to take them on dates anymore.

[crazy8000]

Some are.
A lot have stoped caring because of no quality and narcissistic behavior/attitude.
Health are more important.
Female's have to put more effort of the right kind, take initiative.

There are other thing's to life than female's and pleasing them 😉

[Cathy7734]

At the college I go to it seems that men are only interested in video games, getting high, and sex. And they haven't given up any of those three items.

[MrOracle]

That's because they are fully aware that they have no status or resources (which most women demand before they'll even consider the guy), and that most women today would never even consider getting into a relationship with a man who may spend a few years struggling to get a career going once he graduates. Men tend to not get serious about relationships until they have some status and resources - until they've survived the first few years of their career, when they were low man on the totem pole, and got the worst assignments, the worst schedules, for the worst pay. By their late 20s, things will start to change, because those men will achieve some stability and a bit of status, as they move up and gain some respect from their coworkers.

Men know full well that once they start their careers, they have 40+ years of work to look forward to, with virtually zero safety net if they fail. They also know that college is their last opportunity to live it up without the crushing weight of that responsibility, so that's exactly what they do (by and large). You may see it as "not growing up", but for men, there's a definite logic and calculation going on. Men don't get breaks - we spend most of our adult lives working - OR ELSE we're out on the street pushing a shopping cart and sleeping in a cardboard box.

[Slartybartfast]

@MrOracle Well said!

[Alonelyf]

To some extent yeah they are, but to another extent, they still want to have expectations and won't feel lack of motivation in their search for a women of their dreams.

[JosyJosy]

could be, heard it being thrown around lately, but this goes to the ones who're entitled or think that with sex they can get their way

[No_biryani]

No, but it seems that men are less inclined to chase a women and prefer someone who is easier

[apimpnamedslickback]

Yes and I honestly think women are to blame for that. My classmates in university were almost all girls but I rarely saw a girl in those classes who was feminine and could really interest me and I must've seen hundreds of girls over the four years I studied there.

[KWill90]

Most women dress and behave like drag queens now.

[MzAsh]

The weak and lazy men might be. That’s not a bad thing though.

[grega239]

Maybe they aren't weak and lazy.
Maybe they think the effort isn't worth the result.

[MzAsh]

Then they likely aren’t finding the right women.

[KrakenAttackin]

@MzAsh. "Weak and lazy men are"... Ha! That's priceless!

Name something besides sex a man gets from marriage?

[MzAsh]

I can tell you that mine appreciates the fact that he knows he can depend on me when he needs to. I’m the one standing by his side when there’s a tragedy or when he’s ill. We operate as a union. We are partners in life and we treat each other so. A girlfriend doesn’t do these things.

[KrakenAttackin]

@MzAsh. IF true, you are a rare wife. Most women aren't worth a fuck in a relationship.

[White_Boy_506]

@KrakenAttackin Yeah lol. Like most women actually give a FLYING F*CK about their husbands

[Tiger288]

Lol sure princess

[MzAsh]

I just can't imagine why on earth some of you guys can’t find a decent woman.

[Aakash_Hangargi]

Bc after they created you the mold has been destroyed 🤠

[Aakash_Hangargi]

So you do believe and agree that women are too high maintenance that lazy guys can't afford.

And also men can accept weak women , but women don't want weak men?

Don't you think lazy and weak or vulnerable men are the ones who need a partner the most of they are giving up there might be something of a reason right? What do you think that is? and tell me without being biased and keep points from both sides

[KrakenAttackin]

@MzAsh. Have you seen what modern women have become? Women have become the ultimate diminishing returns resource, with more and more effort required to return less and less value.

Why wouldn't men give up on women?

[KrakenAttackin]

@White_Boy_506 Very true. A husband is like a new hand bag, when it gets old just take all the contents out and send it to good will.

[MzAsh]

I don’t think it’s just a modern women issue, it’s a modern culture issue. Do you know how many good for nothing bums have tried to waste my time? A lot.

[KrakenAttackin]

@MzAsh. Women have the pick of the litter in their 20's so dating losers is a choice women make.

[MzAsh]

There are a lot of wolves in sheep’s clothing out there. A lot of women can’t tell the losers from the decent ones until they’ve already wasted time on them. I made it my business to learn quickly though.

[Aakash_Hangargi]

In same way men aren't able to find good women around them and not bc they are lazy or weak

[MzAsh]

Perhaps blind and foolish, same as women.

[Aakash_Hangargi]

And women have more choice and chance in this matter monopoly is with women hence the give up o guess

[Aakash_Hangargi]

The things men do for love or lust has no boundaries

[Aakash_Hangargi]

But you didnot answer my other points let me re itrate

[Aakash_Hangargi]

@MzAsh So you do believe and agree that women are too high maintenance that lazy guys can't afford.

And also men can accept weak women , but women don't want weak men?

Don't you think lazy and weak or vulnerable men are the ones who need a partner the most of they… [+]

[Aakash_Hangargi]

Don't you think lazy and weak or vulnerable men are the ones who need a partner the most of they are giving up there might be something of a reason right? What do you think that is? and tell me without being biased and keep points from both sides

[MzAsh]

I don’t know about high maintenance, but I do think women’s standards are misplaced. A lot of women place too much value on things like a guys status and money. Any guy can have those things. Doesn’t mean he’s a good guy. A rich high status can can be a total piece of shit, and they often are. They will only give women a headache.

At the same time, women are way too lenient on a guys attitude, character, and behavior. These are the criteria women should be filtering through with a fine tooth comb. They’d find their selections are totally different most of the time.

Similarly, Men make the mistake of going after looks and not much else, so that’s why they end up with garbage behaving women.

The weak and lazy don’t need relationships. They need self development.

[Aakash_Hangargi]

Now this is an unbaised opinion.

I still do believe these people need relationship more bc they are going to be motivated bc now they have to be providers life teach s them lessons they didn't want to learn and with love and support both men and women can improve themselves

[Aakash_Hangargi]

You know in a Lion's pride most lions are lazy and sleeping it's the lioness that hunts and brings food.

If it fails then the lion enters the field to hunt but it always has an eye on the ongings it just needs some motivation in a proper way

[KrakenAttackin]

@MzAsh. I'm sure you did, I can imagine a date with a woman like you as a job interview;. "what do you do, how much do you make, what are your goals, how much debt do you have, ".

This tells me you married a super-simp.

[MzAsh]

You’d be very surprised.

[KrakenAttackin]

@MzAsh. I doubt it. Don't you take "girls vacations" and leave your husband at home? No man would tolerate this.

[MzAsh]

I’ve gone back to Indiana to visit friends and family for a week or two. And I’ve taken weekends with friends. If he ever wanted to join he he could. There’s nothing wrong with this. It’s not like we’re going to Cancun on spring break. We’re adults.

[KrakenAttackin]

@MzAsh. Didn't you do a Vegas trip without your husband?

[MzAsh]

No I’ve never been to Vegas.

[ronaldo75]

Once again it's all men's fault. All women are perfect. How are you still talking like this at 36 year old?

[ronaldo75]

It's very telling how all the men here are giving mixed responses that are observant of the situation as a whole - while the majority of the women are making it about them and acting as if men are weak or at fault. That tells you a lot.

[MzAsh]

Yikes. Yes, it’s all men’s fault and women are perfect is what I meant. Geez why didn’t I just say that lmfao

[ronaldo75]

Look at your own responses Ash. You played the "gee wonder why you guys can't find a good woman" card. Your views on men, woman and dating are stuck in the late 2000s. We're about the same age and you see the dating scene the way it was when you and I were in our early to mid-20s. It's not like that anymore

[MzAsh]

A lot of the male kids today, yes I said kids, just want to throw up their hands and say men have given up on women because women are shit. No, you’re shit and that’s why you’re only finding women who are shit. It’s that simple.

[MzAsh]

And if you can comprehend properly, you’d know I’m not saying women are perfect. An immature mentality might mistake that as what I said. Women aren’t perfect. A lot of women are shitty too. But look around…the guys around here aren’t any prize either.

[MzAsh]

You should see my inbox. They’re filled with guys going “hey” as if that’s supposed to get a woman’s attention. No effort. Then when I don’t respond I get stalkers and death threats. I mean they come unglued. There’s no excuse for the behavior.

[KrakenAttackin]

@MzAsh. No, in the name of "equality" women adapted all of the worst aspects of masculinity, by becoming super over-sexed, but refuse to accept any of the responsibility.

Women are more miserable than at any time on recorded history. More sex with more partners has not made women happy. So what do women do? They double down on random sex, drugs, and alcohol.

Modern women are a complete and absolute mess. Men gave up on women when women ceased to be anything resembling real women.

[MzAsh]

I think these things are fine in moderation. I would be a complete monster today if I was denied a little fun. Women are allowed to have fun. They’re allowed to have a past. It’s better to have it then than when you’re 45 among a mid life crisis.

[KrakenAttackin]

@MzAsh. Interesting how you try to guilt men into seeking relationships with damaged women by calling men "weak and lazy". How about men seek what is in their men self interest? Modern women are a destructive force in most men's lives, putting them in legal, emotional, and physical jeopardy. Your telling men who don't seek relationships that they are "weak and lazy" is like telling a recovering addict they are "weak and lazy" for not trying meth.

Seriously, I can't imagine anything more toxic than what you are slinging.

[KrakenAttackin]

@MzAsh. In your 20's and early 30's women have ALL of the power in dating, but somehow all this is still the fault of men. Unreal.

Yes, Chad Thundercock fucks his way through tons of girls (can't blame him), but 90+ % of guys aren't a Chad Thundercock. Women are making these choices, not men.

[MzAsh]

It’s not my intention on guilting them into relationships. It IS my interest in making the point that they need to work on themselves before getting into relationships. I just don’t see too many many actually putting in the time or effort. They half ass their own self development and then try to get into relationships despite their spotty communication skills, selfishness, trust issues, lack of listening skills, etc. It’s fine if men want to take time away to work on these things, but that’s not what they’re doing. At least not to the degree they could be.

[MzAsh]

They seem to think that time away is to be spent in the gym. Muscles are great but they’re only a fraction on the equation. Most men don’t have character development by a long shot.

[iseekpinetrees]

Men who are divorced, have been hurt badly by women by the age of 30 typically give up. All others usually are open to people.

[Mofunfour20]

Just the ones with masculine energy. Most Mothers aren't teaching their daughters to be feminine yet every woman claims to be a femenist. Ridiculous

[koal33]

I only gave up on dating. I still make friends and talk to women, though. I just don't want to date them. Now, if I was to meet a certain type of woman, I MIGHT consider trying again. But honestly, I'm pretty content and happy being single.

[Randalama]

Absolutely not. Boys been lifting the heavy burdens for centuries now, millennia. Suddenly in the last fifty years they're trying to pull their weight. This behavior should be encouraged. How else am I gonna stay home and get liquored all day?

[Robert_]

No but women are trying to go for men that are not interested in them.

[Dazed0N0Confused]

My man's given up 😂 he has me lol

We both do our fair share & it's worked out great for us.