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in modern western culture there are less males being raised to be husbands/fathers and less females being raised to be wives/mothers. many people would rather just have short term flings over long term commitments.
however the rising divorce rates and chances that a guy will get his life ruined by courts. over outdated relationship and/or parenthood laws also play a role to some degree.
Yeah , it's been seeded into society maybe that's all part of the plan to as the other blue anon says 'to separate the genders'
It's the same with the NWO social credit system, let the bills keep rising and food become more scarce until they (read democrats or the Labour/Lib Dems) offer to wipe the slate clean so you are debt free and give you a feast if you sign up to join them then they'll strip your assets away for enshrinement of modern slavery by another name
If men cannot comprehend that there is more to woman than her ability to make then cum and more than greed, we can come to an understanding. if women want to take his money so much, why do we bother working ourselves? and if all we value is your bodies than why do we get turned on by reading about guys in fiction novels? not because he isn't real, his thoughts are being communicated to us in plain English, it's enticing. but okay, we're money hungry whores, say goodbye to your last name I guess.
"... that there is more to woman than her ability to make then cum..." generally there isn't. Most women have nothing to offer other than casual sex.
women* them* sorry auto correct. that's what im saying.
Why would we care if there "more to a woman than making him cum tho"?
I'm aware that there is more, like her personality, but I don't really care about love or romance, I only care about sex so why does it matter what more to a woman there is?
It's like buying a house and then finding out a free golfball comes along with it, but you never even play golf... Kind of a pointless bonus
how is someone's spirit a pointless bonus
Your confusing what you value with what others value… men want sex and children… that’s literally the only reason only a woman works. For everything else there friends and family. We’re trade our commitment for the sex and kids. Sure her personality SHOULD matter but most guys don’t have such a luxury to be picky.
then that's why my comment is correct. you guys know, but you don't believe in it or it's too much to ask for when sex is so simple. and yeah it is, but is life? then why live long if you could just get what you want from it and die happy? people live long to see how things play out. if you like a girl and you just use her body, then you'll never know if she actually would've loved you if you waited.
Women are worth more than just sex but if the sex aspects not on point she's useless except for sex. For example. Why do i care how awesome your personality is if you're a ho? So yeah dont bother working on yourself for me. I wouldn't give a rats ass. Its the primary factor whether women want it to be or not. If you dont fuck and make men kids then a man can basically be without you since you offer nothing unique a man can't do for himself really.
No, you are not money hungry whores!
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thank you unit1 and that's also the problem, if you're a man and you can do everything by yourself then what's the point of society? aren't we supposed to be together? don't you think it's wrong just because humans could fend for themselves that we force them to be alone just cause no one thinks there's time to form a relationship? there's not a trophy you get for being a good partner but in life the best things do not have a title or a paper to show for it, you just feel whole from the people you love and as I've already experienced, our families are aging, they're dying, we are the next generation, is that what made childhood so great? that everyone didn't fall in love with anyone and no one made any memories cause we only focused on our careers and adult entertainment? you know, if i was going to have kids, they would enjoy the same pleasures I had and more, but if no man wants to commit to me, i guess I'm out of luck. it's all up to you guys, and you're making a mistake. it doesn't have to be like this, let us be there for you, we WANT to.
@kkstarzz96 yes having kids is important but its still a sexual function. Everything of ultimate importance with women is sexual in nature. Thats why this whole casual sex things fuck the whole equation up since no man wants used goods.
it's a man who takes her virginity in the first place. someone got to it before you did how is that our fault.
@kkstarzz96 because y'all picked someone who wasn't serious about you. Its certainly not my fault now is it? And to make matters worse by not owning up to it and being responsible it even more clear, an irresponsible woman is not most mens idea of a good choice.
I picked? don't pretend you don't bring that up every second when you date the first girl who isn't weirded out by you. you ask until you get. you don't stop until you get. talk about self control to us? clearly you're delusional
I can see what you mean. And i acknowledge.
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What's the point of society? Society simply works. At least in Germany and in the US they do. As an example i love taking showers in one of these cabins. Seems like something regular that most people in Europe or in the US would have but i grew up without these "luxuries" but now i can indulge those things, that many take for granted.
Now I'm not sure if that's what you wanted to hear. But i rather not abandon society and i rather not die loveless.
My point exactly. If a woman will give it up just because a man asks a few times... whats to stop her when a man keeps asking her and she's my wife? Especially since its not her fault. Smh. This is exactly what im talking about. No man in his right mind going to want to buy that.
@kkstarzz96 the point of society was when it was necessary for survival to come together… these days were better off then every other civilization to come before. This special situation is the hard work of both men and women for sure but let’s not pretend we’re equals. If all men stopped working all the important shit would slow and stop within days. Millions would die. In regards to survival both are important cause women bring kids but if society dies would you still feel safe? Society keeps women and weak men safe. When it collapses millions will die. Women could keep the power on for a while but not everywhere… what happens to the seniors when the heat waves come? The children when the cold comes? Who fights when the enemies on our door step? Society prevents this suffering and death.
Ironically we’re very close to seeing this outcome lol. Men and women turning away… men won’t fight for women… low power… wars close both civil and world war… with 2 countries!
eventually men stop asking... because it becomes forceful. whether that's mentally abusive or physically abusive. what im saying isn't a lie, and thats what I want to focus on, just because it's not happening to everyone doesn't mean it's not happening. it is, and it's not because we asked for it.
Im not talking about rape. Im talking about the average woman walking down the street. Whats to offer me for marriage? They dont have shit. So what am i supposed to do about it? Its not my fault women ruin themselves. If it was up to me id have them do things differently but what am i supposed to do about it?
@kkstarzz96 I also wanna point out most men want any and all women… we want love. You think men sexing you up and leavings bad try never getting sex or affection from any source most of not all your life. I have to fight for the one single date and I do mean fight. Lots of women used to sit at the bar and just wait to turn on the game for free drinks… I don’t approve of promiscuity but women have more control. They can say no just like men they don’t… they can demand a condom they don’t… they can date with intention and make bad choices fine mistakes happen… but if your counts in the double digits your reasoning don’t matter your a hoe. You LET these men have you too easy. I will never compromise on that.
When womens rights came along women had the right to be like men… fucking women chose to copy the worst part of the worst men. Big question… did it ever occur to you to withhold sex for commitment? As far as I’m concerned if you have to use your body to get a man your not worth dating your boring…
It’s not fair to ask something like restraint from one person you don’t expect from another but we do it every day… family courts prioritize women. Abortions uniquely a woman’s right the father cannot fight for or against and regardless his decision he can get child support. Again let’s not pretend we’re equal.
I agree with vanillasalt cause he actually considers the whole spectrum. bamesjond0069 you just don't like women and I'm sorry that someone convinced you not to
@kkstarzz96 I don't know why you're so offended. And i think women are awesome. I just dont want to marry one who slept around.
name a female virgin who isn't a minor.
@kkstarzz96 lol. Men don’t really hate women. They just don’t respect them. They talk all this shit because their in pain and nobody cares it’s bravado. They have to act this way or they will break. No attempt will be made to help or fix them. When a woman breaks down in the streets and cries strangers approach to help… when a man does it he’s looked at with disgust. When I was oh like 11 or 12 I stepped on a nail while tracking through a field as a shortcut… knocked on a woman’s door asking her to call my family or 911 and showed her my shoe filling with blood. She told me I wasn’t supposed to be there and turned me away. I walked a mile home pushing my bike like that. If I were a woman I’m convinced that situation would not have happened. I don’t want your apology you didn’t do it and it mean nothing 23 years later but the fact it happened… look at the Johnny Depp trial. Men can’t complain about how unfair the world is cause then we’re weak and mistreated more.
I’ve just accepted it and don’t care. At this rate we’re all gonna die to some random virus, riot, food shortage, declining birth rates, authoritarian government, or war… I’m numb. It hurts being alone and unloved but watching everyone suffer equally and slowly realizing I was right all along is kinda bittersweet. I went from helping anyone and everyone I could to sitting here with a small smile on my face when someone else suffers my pain. I think this is A LOT of people. It’s why we have school shooters and dating sucks… it’s the cause of all the rape and murder in the world. The only thing preventing me from walking that path of depravity is the fact I’m a naturally empathetic person. Quoting Bo Burnham though… “my empathy is bumming me out”.
@kkstarzz96 my point exactly... thus why every dude is a fuck boy out here. 99% of women aren't worth shit and its not my fault. Im just dealing w whats in front of me. Fortunately men dont have much desire for marriage so im set. I can fuck hos and thats that. Its certainly a better alternative than marrying a slut.
im sorry that happened to you. we don't really empathize when young boys get hurt cause they're always bouncing off the walls knowing they're bound to get hurt. i was jumping over things and something felt wrong and I lifted my pants and my leg was cut to whatever layer is the deepest of the skin, insane. i wasn't outside though, I wasn't playing with any other kid, I was just bored and saw suitcases in the laundry room and pretended they were hurdles. it's easier to see how a woman wasn't looking for problems, then it is a man cause they're too curious for their own good. why do you think when our vaginas become interesting, they think of all the fucking ways to fuck one, so much so, my ass hole becomes part of the equation. thats just fucking nuts. but hey, you're not afraid, and we are, we don't want to upset people, and that's why I'm saying no it's not because we're whores that we sleep with guys, unfortunately you're right, there's a line out the door for us and some of them are very pushy. they say a lot of things before we get to the part, we do it because we've been persuaded this is whats best for the both of us, took me a few times to realize i wasn't getting shit. might as well stop talking to guys in general or be expected to be in the same setup all over again. if a guy really has a plan on how this makes sense for us, im listening.
It doesn't make sense thats why you shouldn't do it.
shouldn't have sex?
Yup. Sex.
like I said, I didn't.
Well cool. Whats your issue then with men asking for sex if you just tell them no?
no does not work
How does it not work? If you dont have sex then men dont use you for sex.
I told you not to apologize. There’s so many things we can do to help the situation. I don’t think any one of them will fix it completely… that being said.
Communication. Words of empathy. Kindness. Courtesy. Men don’t ask for as much as women think. Men sleep around but that’s fixable by strengthening the family and marriage. We def need to work on the balance of marriage between the sexes. It’s one sided and I won’t legally marry anyone. We also need to remain calm. It don’t happen often but I have a great deal of respect for anyone that can disagree respectfully and people that can take being treated like shit and remain calm. I lose myself sometimes and if they respond calmly and logically it completely disarms me lol. I hate feminists but I made a friend irl with once from here and we get along despite the fact she’s just a feminist (joking) she’s great. We talk about things we disagree about and move beyond our disagreements and that’s something I think people lost. It’s a big point of respect for me.
Aside from promoting family and marriage withholding sex until you know these men is a great way to build mens feelings. Women seem to get a feeling off the bat from something we do or how we act but men have to get to know you to value you.
I realize most of what I’m saying is things women can do and ignores mens responsibility but that’s only cause it’s almost guaranteed to work… just that alone will build us up.
@VanillaSalt the only men thing can do is stop lying and being soft cucks. Every man that says ohh she slept around ill marry her anyway they hold up as an example that men dont care. Pumping and dumping girls is actually helping because it lets women know they are doing something wrong. Every dude that dumps a girl over ho behavior is putting his values out there and letting her know. Sitting home to masterbate doesn't teach women anything. Do women cry when a man doesn't talk to them before they have sex? No. But after. Yes they do.
withholding sex for the sake of commitment is also this concept I don't really understand why it has to be this way. which leads me back to my comment. I think men could learn to understand there is more to life with us after sex. hey man eventually if I like you, I love you, I marry you, were gonna have sex, now what, did I just trap you? that wasn't my intention. I don't want to trap anyone, I just want things to grow from what initiates sex in the first place, a connection. but because this isn't the way it is, I can't even be around guys cause I don't like this power move, I just won't even go there and put myself in a room alone with a man who feels safe to ask me can we do it and for me to basically be forced to get up and leave and make him feel stupid, or do so and wonder what i did wrong later cause he stopped showing interest.
I mean either sleep around, wait until marriage or at least some serious commitment, or buy 7 cats and be a solo cat lady to die alone. Those are the only three options you can count on.
you can easily sleep with a long term boyfriend and not get the commitment other than the fact you dated someone for years and have nothing to show for it. it's not that simple. and I'm sick of having this plan like I'm an Evil villain plotting to get a man to commit to me, he should just fucking want to cause he wants to make sure I'm okay. you know how many exes I wondered how they're doing so many years later, it's cause if we would've worked out our differences, like vanillasalt said, agree we are different people but have a relationship that embraces it, I wouldve been down to give a shit cause i already decided in the early stages they mattered to me. its not that hard.
The problem is women assume all men want is sex. That’s on u guys not us. Plenty of men do actually want a serious relationship but u guys are so fucking clueless about men u can’t pick them out
"you can easily sleep with a long term boyfriend and not get the commitment..." this is why people say to wait until marriage.
am I supposed to date somebody for years and say I fucking like you I just can't touch you
Who said wait years? Just get married then have sex. Why wait years? Seems ridiculous to me.
nah man that's what Christians do they date somebody for a 90 days and get married just to say they waited till marriage. that's not waiting. waiting means waiting. I'm waiting to know that i love you through all of it, not so i can sleep with you for my own sanity
Bond… being a shitty person don’t make people wanna be better…
@kkstarzz96 you look beautiful. If you came onto me Ide sleep with you. But lust is not love. I would not commit unless I felt there’s a special benefit. And I’m pretty sure you wouldn’t commit just because I was willing to commit…
I don’t like the idea of no sex till marriage because I’ll never get married. You have too much power. What’s the harm in waiting a month or two? Men hate being told no sex… but they absolutely love having to work hard for something and then succeeding. I would respect you more if you waited several weeks or months to get to know me first. That respects important to men.
I don’t believe in love at first sight. That’s just lust. Love is years together. Knowing everything about someone. Soul mates don’t exist. Two random people come together because their attracted. They date to see if their compatible. They give a life-long commitment to each other to never leave. I think divorce shouldn’t be easy it should be a super difficult and long process and not possible unless extreme circumstances like death or abuse… women want commitment but you women don’t know what commitment is… 80% of divorces are filed by the women. That’s not commitment. When you have no way out your forced to make the best of the situation.
commitment is less what a paper says and more that I know he's loyal by heart. that I'm on his mind and he thinks about me when I didn't ask him to, he just has it set where whatever he does he's going to do it with me too. if you're going to ask about my dad, incase you're wondering where all this is coming from, yes, he wasn't an active dad, until now. he makes an effort every week to see me. our relationship has never been more secure, and he does not need to give me money to secure it either. but he didn't want to either when I was growing up. and it put me through a lot, I've come to the conclusion my dad was a victim of his own self, it wasn't just me suffering from being with him. so i imagine men who are this careless when it comes to their women, are also not happy themselves. and I'm not expecting whoever I end up with to be secure and happy all the time, but if you told me when I was little I'd have to wait until i was 25 for my dad to give me the time of day, id say why do I have to wait? it just doesn't make sense. and thanks by the way lol
No that’s no commitment. Like I said you don’t understand what commitment is… you described empathy and attachment… obviously a man should consider you… but if you don’t stay with him even when he don’t your not committed.
you're the one who says 90 days and years. What about one year?
Also you dont seem to like Christians however marriage is really a religious thing. Christians get married because the Bible. If you're an atheist or something I don't know why you would do something from the Bible? Makes no sense.
that does make sense though. only cause thats the reason my last real relationship ended.
I went 10 months now. around month 7, it gets painful. and no I'm not an atheist, I'm just not a Christian.
Well I believe all religions made up to teach people morality through stories… almost all religion outlaws the same damn things like murder rape and theft… I don’t believe in God the being but the idea I completely believe in… let’s be honest his book is his words and people have died because of his words… Ide say that’s just as real as you or me.
Lmao I win I went 23 years :P
no not age you lost your virginity it's time from the moment you were dating to when you guys had full intercorse sex, assuming you two were not virgins already, which is no contest, much harder than two virgins who are just scared.
I waited for about 7 to 10 months for two girls. It wasn't a big deal at all and really made our relationships better... because i basically pumped and dumped any girl that didn't wait so... lol
Lol if you made me wait 10 months Ide leave… 1-3 months tops is enough time to know if you’re interested. I devote myself to the partner I’m dating so yeah I’m not getting any anywhere else so yeah better put out.
Me and my ex split like 3 years ago… no wait 4. Yeah. Well we stopped having sex like a few months ago. We broke up cause we weren’t compatible but we worked together for many things for 7 years.
In my life I’ve been in 3 relationships and 1 hookup. I’ve had sex in many ways far more then you lol. But with only 4 partners. I take pride in that. Ide have more partners if I had more options for sure but idc about no string’s sex. On the contrary let’s get out the rope and contact… little leather goes a long way.
there's also details missing such as long distance and full intercorse excludes oral. as for bond I have no idea why his wait time is that long. imagine how many dates you can have in that amount of time and anytime you're kissing for longer than a second you just feel his hard on against you and have to pretend it's not there or back up lmao
So you’re saying you lose control… that’s not a bragging point lol.
I understand completely. But the fact is men use that weakness to get you and leave. Have standards.
I don’t do long distance… although my first time was with an ex I had moved in with me to help her out of her abusive situation. Friend from high school. We were officially together 3 years and dated for a year in high school. People… change.
I learned not to date single mothers from her. Cheating whore.
my point exactly, it's hardly a weakness but biologically hardwired.
Enjoy your shitty men… as long as you think like that you’ll never find what your after.
Birds biologically can fly but are still effected by gravity. Fish biologically can breathe underwater but they CAN drown under the right circumstances. Women and men biologically come together to have sex and children… but that’s not what you want. You want commitment.
I think it's affected
I haven’t had sex in months. Ide love nothing more then to bury my face in a juicy pussy but that don’t mean ima go out and buy a hooker…
Yeah it’s affected.
over a year now. I think I'll be okay. I'm disgusted by the new information that I'm not more more a pointless bonus compared to my hole.
@kkstarzz96 I think women are worth way more then the sum of their holes. But men don’t get to know their value until they know the women themselves… the sex being the guys in… the personality keeps them there.
I wish I could find a woman like my brothers wife… she’s amazing gives way more then Ide feel comfortable asking for…
@kkstarzz96 "imagine how many dates you can have in that amount of time" a lot. Thats the point.
"it's hardly a weakness" its definitely a weakness and one that makes a woman unsuitable for a serious relationship.
"that I'm not more more a pointless bonus compared to my hole." You may be quite awesome but your hole is the primary value for a relationship. If a great personality made one marry, why wouldn't i just marry my best guy friend? Its sex and reproduction! Thats the primary purpose. A cars primary purpose is to get you from A to B. But a Mercedes is better than an old beat up honda. However a beautiful new mercedes that doesn't run is useless compared to the beat up honda that does. This is a great analogy of dating actually. If you want to present yourself for marriage but do not excel in your purpose, men would prefer a beat up honda they dont have to buy than a mercedes that doesn't run they do have to commit to for the rest of their life.
@VanillaSalt "men want sex and children…" speak for yourself.
From someone that has a wife that gives me more than that I can promise you that the love, care, support and companionship that you get from family and friends is not the same as you get from your partner. Not even close.
thats reassuring to hear thank you
@kkstarzz96 don't confuse the ignorant mass of gag as good representation of real life.
yeah personally I enjoy women for more than sex and want a long term relationships. He’s probs just in a bad mood and will change his mind later. People come on here to talk shit a lot of the time.
Lol opinion do you have sex with your wife? @Kkstarzz96 would you marry a man that was completely uninterested in having sex with you ever? There is a very very small handful of men that don’t consider sex a top 3 or top 5 in importance… And once again you don’t just value random women to the moon and back without getting to know them…
@VanillaSalt I do have sex with my wife. I never said that sex is not part of a relationship, it absolutely is. I am am saying there is more than that.
I never said it was all women offered look back a few posts and see what I said before you go correcting me.
@VanillaSalt I am really not going to read all of this conversation. When I got here it was because of a sentence you said I didn't agreed with. But if you tell me that you also think men want relationships for more than babies and sex then we actually agree.
Go back 11 posts… literally 2 posts prior to your comment.
@VanillaSalt than why did you said what you said previously?
you can't really ask for someone else's wife you have no idea what it takes to have their relationship, and also that's weird... cause it's your brother's. guys are also like this though, which i why AGAIN I would say "no doesn't work"
“That’s literally the ONLY reason that ONLY a woman works”. In other wards if we didn’t want sex or kids we could have men for partners…
I don’t want my brother wife…
whenever there's dots... there's truth being withheld, usually from the sentence before it
… have you been reading my posts? I … a hundred times a day… not arguing about this your wrong I don’t want my bros wife. Although I might kidnap my wonderful niece soon lol.
@VanillaSalt so if not for sex, you could have a relationship with a guy?
I assume you are including any form of physical contact as sex and honestly I don't agree with that.
If physical intimacy isn’t an option Ide value a man’s friendship and support as much as a woman’s. There’s nothing special about women other than the ability to give birth. No difference from a man.
@VanillaSalt even if I could not have sex I would still be in a relationship with a woman. But I fully respect who has other sexual orientations.
Lol no homo. I’m talking friends. Take the sex out and a wife is no different then a close friend.
@VanillaSalt I understand what you are saying, but to me it is still different. Even if I take out sex, the relationship I have with my girl friends and the relationship I have with my wife is still not the same. It's a different dynamic and interaction.
i don't know what you mean cause I'd much rather be friends with guys then i would be with girls and that was since the beginning of time. my girl friends always got mad at me cause they had all these expectations of what i was supposed to do in our friendship that i was never aware of and confused why they had to get mad first to tell me what they wanted. obviously guys say the same things, but I do communicate what i want, and i also do not have expectations beyond reason for my friends. they are a friend but they're not my only friend. the reason a girlfriend or wife will have expectations and get mad when they're not being met is cause you're supposed to only have one girlfriend or wife. what else is taking away his attention? it doesn't have to be another woman, it could be depression of something, but men don't talk, so we assume the worst and develop losing trust in him. there's no other way to be on the same page than to explain what your intentions are. and when I realized sex is solely the intention in getting involved with women, I am baffled cause that was not mine in getting to know a man. it's not fair
If you take out the intimacy then Ide rather hang with the guys myself. If intimacy is considered… if sex, touching, holdings considered women win but that has more to do with my attraction to women then preference. Again in order to reach the point a woman’s worth investing in you HAVE to get to know her.
I’ll say this again. The sex and intimacy brings men to the game but you have to be interesting and respected by them to be worth committing to. Star you didn’t answer me. Would you marry a man you knew wouldn’t have sex with you ever? If you can’t say yes for sure then you also value sex highly. Very few people are asexual and comfortable discarding sex and intimacy all together.
If a woman let herself go in appearance and isn't pleasing to look at, in her youth ran up a 500 bodycount, but now is asexual and does not have sex with you and is say 38 so minimal to no fertility remaining... how much is she worth committing to as a wife? Personally i say zero. She may be super nice, smart, funny talented you name it... but she has zero value for a romantic relationship. So if she has zero value in that way, whats the driving factor of a womans value in marriage? The sexual aspects of which they are of utmost importance. I don't know why thats so controversial to say.
If you would have asked me when i was a virgin, id say yes. but when you've experienced sex, it's hard to be close to the opposite sex without considering it often. and I mean close like the one where you guys are dating, not necessarily friends. it wasn't my intention to have sex, I wanted a boyfriend but boyfriends want sex even if they haven't slept with anyone ever. that's my confusion. wanting to kiss someone cause you're attracted and wanting to penetrate is completely different desires. if you want to get the close to somebody you should already like them as a person, otherwise just keep looking, it's free and no one gets hurt or confused. that's what celebrities are for, but don't use people in daily life, we all work hard just trying our best, why do you have to use them to make them feel like shit? but to answer, of course I'd feel insecure. just cause he doesn't want sex with me doesn't mean he doesn't want sex. thats the only reason why. if he truly liked me as a person but felt like he couldn't violate me that way, I don't know i guess we could talk about it and see where we meet.
@bamesjond0069 like I said sex is a part of a relationship. For sure. Sexual compatibility is a thing. Is one of the reasons I fully support everyone having sex before marriage. Screw virginity, people need to fuck to see what they like and what they want.
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 ok neither here nor there. Would you find the woman in my example... amazing personality and all but with no sexual value to have ANY value as a wife?
Star… what the point of dating to you?
companionship. I wish I could ask my exes for you but most of them don't associate with me. to the few times I did get an answer, it's cause I was hot and I had a big smile that's inviting and makes them want to stick themselves in my mouth. how would I know lmao
Lol. Marriage is for companionship dating is the interview before marriage. Or interchange marriage with commitment. Either way you date to get to know if you wanna spend your life with someone.
@bamesjond0069 define sexual value.
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 im referring to the post above i guess 2 of mine back. Just read the example of the woman i described and tell me if she has marriage value.
@bamesjond0069 to me? I would not want her because she doesn't want to have sex. Everything else I couldn't care less.
But, and here lies the point. Imagine a girl, 19, virgin, gorgeous... Who is also a bitch with no culture, no intelligence, zero social skills, obnoxious, total femdom.
Do you want her?
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 i would be highly interested to date her since she's very valuable however if i couldnt improve the obnoxious bitch part id not marry her. I could care less about not being unintelligent or not very social or anything. Just the obnoxious bitch part. But even as is she is also highly valuable for casual sex. So id want to date her even just for a chance at sex. The woman i listed above i wouldn't even talk to in any way shape or form.
@bamesjond0069 the girl I listed was into femdom. So to have sex with her you would have to be super submissive in bed otherwise she doesn't want you. I did listed femdom.
You don't care about intelligence and social skills for a relationship. I do. We all value different things.
@bamesjond0069 of course she is into femdom, includes pegging.
Still want to have sex with her? Still have any value to her?
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 lmao well then no. But id argue its not a good example because thats sexual. The real opposite of my example is: she's 19 she's hot she is a virgin she is submissive sexually... so very valuable in sexual ways... she has a weird personality is dumb bitchy difficult boring. Now which of the two would i date? The hot virgin that fucks my brains out with nothing else good about her... over amazing personality who is sexually unappealing and has no sex. Which would you prefer if you had to choose one.
@bamesjond0069 no no no. You gave me your example and asked me if she had any value to a relationship.
I gave you my example and asked the same. That's how it works.
And see? Neither of us was satisfied with just sex or just with her personality.
But you both found sex important… so I rest my case.
sigh it's day 2 man how long can we talk about this headline
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 ok but your example was its own thing because she had neither sex or personality. Either way i answered it. Now what about my new question? Either perfect amazing sex but nothing else to offer or perfect personality and no sex. Choose one.
@kkstarzz96 on gag? Expect it to die out soon only to be resurrected in a year. Lol
@bamesjond0069 perfect personality and no sex. I can always just rub one out. But nothing pays or makes up for the rest.
sex is a skill, it's not something you have when you're born or have been working on since you were a toddler. you know why there are rich and successful people my age? because they've been working on it since then. you can always get better at sex. personality is usually met with stubborn beliefs. that's why again, my comment, men can change, but they refuse
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 i dont believe you would marry someone knowing you will never have sex just because she can be your best friend. Why not just have a best friend that can be your best friend? Just doesn't compute and sounds like total PC nonsense.
@kkstarzz96 sex for a woman is not a skill. This is why men prefer low mileage women. In fact id even argue the more sex a womans had with other men the shittier she is at it. Sex with a woman is like a leather glove. Brand new its a little rough but as you wear it it breaks in perfect to mold to your hand 100%. If you bought a somewhat used leather glove its already softened in a bit which can be nice immediately but it will never 100% conform to your hand. If you bought a highly worn glove it will be all lumpy and weird fitting. So in terms of marriage... someone you commit to for a long period of time... putting in effort with a virgin pays off to get the perfect match. For a one night stand or short term relationship sure thats not as ideal... and then there are men who dont plan ahead and cannot delay gratification and would prefer a lumpy ass glove today and forever than God forbid the inconvenience of a virgin even though they know it will pay off they just cannot help themselves.
I’m trying to explain this to you but your not getting it… your purpose to me and most men is sex and intimacy… take that out and your no different then a friend. Most men look for women cause they think their hot and want them then they decide to stay with them because their have something more… don’t matter
If you can’t accept sex is important then you’ll never get anywhere. If you can’t understand men value what they work for and as a less used woman you’d have more value then just sleep around im going bed.
@VanillaSalt yes 👍
oh you were talking to me lol I do understand I just don't think it's fair
Ah yes your right unfair… let’s discuss fairness… Here in Texas it’s extremely difficult to adopt as a single man. Unrealistic even. I have to rely on women for children. Buttttt… if the condom breaks I have no say. I can tell her I’m not interested and she can still have the child. Not only will she get primary custody at an overwhelming rate, 90% of the time, but she’ll get child support. If I want to keep the child I have no say… she can kill my baby without consulting me. Family courts favor women. My mother whom was a druggy drunk abuser user won me after all… sexual assault isn’t taken serious against men or boys. Women come with intrinsic value just for having a womb but as a man I have to work to be valuable…
I hate the words equal and fair. People arnt equal and life isn’t fair.
you have to talk to who you're sleeping with. and you know what prevents this from happening, knowing at least something about the person you're sleeping with, I get it, I was surprised by the people who turned out to be my boyfriend, but at the very least, his family knew me and we could always work together on raising my baby. if he told me to abort it, for whatever reason, not that i think i would sleep with someone who gives off those vibes. I would keep it but he's gonna have to come back and speak to the kid if he ever wants back in, not me. I have too much pride to rely on a guy when it comes to my kid. my mom had the same views. literally it would've been so hard but it was hard with him and without him, the difference was she didn't trust his intentions for me but she knew her own, and that was to make it seem like none of it was hard so i could be a happy child, at her own expense. I'm sorry about your mom, and hey, when my mom passed, my questionable father got me too, cause biological parents are favored in court, not relatives that give a shit. I know it's not fair, but we don't have to add to it.
@bamesjond0069 I prefer to never have sex than to spend my entire life with a person I hate.
Lol… but we are. You have more rights and freedom as a woman then I do. When it comes to family and law women are given far FAR more leniency then men. It’s always men expected to be the one to sacrifice. It’s always men that have to be self-made before their date worthy. Women are born with value and men have to build their value. Even then they’ll never be worth a woman…
This stupid standard in societies caused men and women to hate each other. Ima just be straight about it… fuck women that don’t give me the time of day to show my worth. I wasn’t on your radar so your not on mine idc about you or your problems and I won’t be there to help when you have a flat, or need help carrying something heavy, or someone is assaulting you. That’s the path we’re on now.
“We don’t have to add to it” every time a woman divorces a man or a man cheats or a woman acts like she’s too good for someone or a man walks past a woman in distress they exacerbate this whole situation. I don't know what you expect people to do but for me… I won’t go out of my way to help people that don’t care about me. And I’ve associated that to most women these days. Just as most women look at men as lust filled dogs… so that’s why men and women don’t want anything to do with each other. Women get paid and taken care of by the government the more they drive away men.
so I mean what do you think we should do? like if there are no good options then what is the plan. I don't know about the rest of the world, but I'm just concerned with whoever I end up with again, that I don't have to go through all this again just cause I didn't take the time to understand what is involved here.
@kkstarzz96 i mean there's no good options for men either. The only way to fix this is a return to normal. This feminism female empowerment stuff is whats driving this. We got to start teaching young women to wait for sex and that focusing on home duties is a good and valid option. Changing divorce laws back to how they were pre 1970s would make a big help as well.
There isn't much any single one individual can do to correct things unfortunately.
if you told me it does not mean he loves you if he loses his virginity to you, i would say ask you then what does? and I'd probably say now, it's a choice you make everyday. one day someone loves you and a few months later they act like they don't know you is not love, and young people play that game all the time. it's just admitting the fact that emotions are not stable and you can't trust your peers with your heart lol. you can care about them but don't give them all of your care, cause it's also the age you learn how to care for yourself, and it's valid because I don't cook and no one I know does it even once a week.
I can't speak for women because I don't see things through their eyes. From a man's perspective, I wouldn't say men have given up on women, but they have travelled a long way down the road toward that destination. I think men today are feeling disenfranchised in general, and disappointed in women and what relationships are becoming. That's a big generalization, but lots of truth in it.
I think sometimes. Finding a good person really is not just women or just men. It is both. Good people are becoming fewer and farther in between and hook up culture is really running anything meaningful
nope... I never gave up, because there was nothing to give up, never been a struggle
also know a lot of people in my life, both men and women... that are not "struggling and quitting" living life in this sense
edit/update lol "keep it civil"
these kind of questions are just a call for all the incels, the mitches and the MGTOW's of the site to come in hordes and start harassing all the women in here, just watch...
Love ❤️ is exact, precision to love 💕 some. I always pick the wrong who never love me back
@baserunner611 not into dudes... sorry
No, straight women only
@baserunner611 I'm not a straight woman either, sorry...
People don't vamue themselves, they don't value other people. Everyone is dispensable and there is always something better around the corner. This is the overwhelming mentality.
I don’t think like this. I think your just gonna leave… or she’s using me… or I got too little free time after work to speak with this self absorbed witch…
I don’t have the ability to attract catches but when I pick I grab the cheaters… I’m 3/3… even my hookup was a cheater apparently.
I know I have certainly given up on women. There has been a huge divide lately, women blaming everything on men, men blaming everything on women, I'm just done with the whole thing. I want absolutely nothing to do with anyone anymore. Tired of all of it. Left vs Right, Women vs Men, White vs Black, LGBT vs Straight. Pro-Choice vs Pro-Life. I'm just done with it all. The whole world can just kiss my a** at this point, done with them all.
Absolutely, I can't speak for women but it's definitely true that a lot of men have completely given up on women.
In fact I'd say the majority of good men have decided to leave the game to the cads, abusers and players.
Wow, the incel energy in this comment section is hilarious. Step outside and touch some grass guys. Get out of the woe is me neckbeard basement. Work on yourselves ffs.
been there done that
waste of time
im gonna stick to Christ
you idiots can do w/e it is you do
Lol at @Bardish with the simp advice. Yes work on yourself, build up your wealth so you can give it all to a single mother that has kids with other men. Just lol at playing the beta provider game. How that work out for Ellon Musk, Johnny Depp and Bill gates?
@Lookingforthetruth
exactly women will just try to ruin you
@Lookingforthetruth LMAO
Not completely but it's definitely going that way. I myself gave up on woman a long time ago and have stayed single for 18 years. I just can't tolerate the way women are today: crazy, selfish, bitchy, ungrateful, unloyal, materialistic, argumentative, fickle, arrogant, manipulative etc.
It may seem that way from what kind of discourse circulates online, but in any real-world environment where single men and women come together, attractions invariably bubble up to the surface, and new relationships flourish in abundance. It's just that we're all so cynical that nobody wants to acknowledge this basic tendency for men and women to "find each other".
I have not given up on women. I am not a quitter. I had to give up on a woman (singular) because she quit. She does not represent all women so I don't feel the need to give up.
Women are just exploring their millions of options. They will never give up on men.
And men are the ones competing with the billions of other men that every woman has in her phone and their dogs too.
No! Although, in a few cases that is true, 50 of indoctrination cannot overcome two million years of human evolution.
*50 years of indoctrination
Ain't no way your 13 and thinking about this stuff
@chris_987 You must be a public school graduate that has no idea what an education is. You can talk about what a home school student doesn't know when you can pass this 8th grade exam:
www.grc.nasa.gov/.../1895_Eightgr_test.htm
Public school? I don't even live in the states
No But I dont see any guy that even attempts to catch my attention especially when they ask where to take me on a first date…. ultimate pet peeve please try to plan something after I tell you my interest. I’m content going on dates alone and traveling alone so if I do the work I don’t need you to go.
But that works both ways. Guys go traveling alone etc, so if they put in the work to go alone, they don't need you to go. Where's the logic there?
MAnd what do you do to catch THEIR attention? I think men these days just arnt familiar with how dating works and neither are women. Things have been complicated beyond measure.
For example… you might expect a man to pay while many women think. it’s insulting. But from our POV she’s probably not interested so why spend all that money? Even if she is interested why are we expected to be the traditional if she’s not prepared to be?
Expectations, reactions, consequences, and benefits have all changed.
Different question. Do you think you deserve a good man? Most women say yes but do they really? I don't know. Looking at women online no they don’t. I have no luck in dating apps and I don’t have the time to invest in hunting some woman probably not at my level. If I drop all standards I could have a fat, loud, slut in my room in a few days… but I’m worthy of more in my eyes…
This is why no guys try, girls are not interested, and if a guy shows a girl he likes her... She is a bitch about it and tells him to fuck off.. this is why we stopped trying. Why bother
Wow entitlement is off the charts
No, there's enough thirsty people on GaG to show that's not true.
And there's even more outside or off your phone.
@Smoke-n-Growls. True, there will always be thirsty simps l, but women hate simps as much as real men do.
I think a lot of people have given up on the idea of genuine love. It's sad that people don't know how to treat eachother anymore
Men have given up because it's no longer the 1930s where they were able to control women and use them as sex objects and maids. Women aren't settling for their nonsense nor bare minimum mentality.
Do we care if men have given up? No
I'm pretty sure you'd care if men gave up mining coal, smelting steel, farming, purifying your water, trucking your food, putting out fires, policing your towns, et cetera.
You are frail creatures who need men to survive. You would do well to remember that.
Yeah frail enough for your mom to carry you for 9 months. Gtfoh , try having a baby 🤡
That's wrong, I never had a desire to use a woman, I only wanted a girl for romantic love and sex, I just have up on them since I see how easy it is to be rejected by them from. social media and YouTube I examine the female behaviour and see most are bitches who have extremely high standards, so I never even tried to get a girlfriend in my life... Why set my self up for 90% chance of rejection? Not worth it, that's why I gave up before I even tried
And also how easy it is to be accused of rape jus by saying hi, and you can see by this girls response here is proof of how much bitches girls are, and no one wants a bitch
Like why bother. Better to save yourself the struggle
It calls lesbian
It's 2022 but I am still using women as sex toys, so the year has nothing to do with that. But I did give up on women for romantic relationships.
Yawn🥱
@Uptowngirl88. Funny how all of the dirty, dangerous, hot/freezing cold, late night, jobs I have worked the total female count was either ZERO or so few as to be very noteworthy.
@KrakenAttackin 🥱 yawn
@Uptowngirl88. Men do all of the painful, dangerous , exposed, necessary work. If you can't admit this than you are a lost cause.
Oh u mean when blowjobs were considers immoral? Yeah I’m sure they were really treated like sex objects then. Ur victim complex is massive and it’s really not cool to hate on men cuz of ur own internal issues
@KrakenAttackin 🥱 yawn..💀💀
Majority of homeless, suicide victims, prisoners, war veterans, workplace deaths, drug addicts and plenty of other things are all men. U have no respect for the fact that men hold up society and u just get to live ur little peachy life at home while men go out and have to deal with all the bullshit. It’s entitled af and u should feel bad.
Okay. This seems like a great place did this thread to stop. So... let's all stop.
@SecretsofKB why?
Because she said so and y'all too emotional
How she is saying nothing, but "Yawn 🥱" and you all still manage to write essays? Then you are surprised at what she said at first.
🤣🤣🤣💀💀💀
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 Because we value civilization, and watching low-IQ neurotic women ruin it kinda upsets us lol
@OldWorldOrder and how are theses supposed neurotic and low IQ women ruining civilization?
@This_Is_My_Opinion8
By refusing to serve their assigned social roles. Society is built on social contracts. When women refuse to honor their end of the deal, the contract falls apart, and none of our social institutions can function properly.
Of course, in the long run, men will be back in charge, because women can't survive in a world without electricity or running water or grocery logistics. So they will inevitably be back under the mercy of a man. But they're too stupid to understand the futility of their actions, so we all have to be dragged through this downward spiral by these stupid worthless whores.
Women ruin everything they touch, and that's why the Islamic world has the good sense to stuff them into a garbage bag and beat them silly whenever they misbehave.
🤣🤣🤣💀lmao
Still 🥱 yawning
@OldWorldOrder and what are the roles assigned to them? And by who?
All that sounds is like you want to take away people's freedom to decide what they want to do with their lives.
I get it, you think that unless we all follow those arbitrary roles that society will collapse. And my question is... why? According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics women make most of the workforce since last December and the world still functions.
Society is changed. It will never go back to what it was because mine still to all those things you talked about. I am civil engineer I command construction workers daily and we still do our jobs. Only difference is there are more woman engineers than before. They are as competent as me or another man.
Just like there are jobs that are mostly done by men there are those who are mostly done by women. We work in the construction they work in care. We need both and both are still being done. So what is your concern?
@OldWorldOrder not "mine still to all". Instead "men still do all".
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 he ain't too bright 🤣💀.
@This_Is_My_Opinion8
Most of the jobs today are fake work that adds no actual value to anybody's life.
Women don't mine the coal.
Women don't pave or maintain the roads.
They don't provide the electricity.
They don't run the farms that feed us.
They don't provide the municipal water.
All of the vital functions are served by men. Men who are aging. Men who are retiring. Men who are not being replaced.
Demand rises with population, but the supply of skilled laborers is shrinking. Unions are going insolvent.
So I hope you can eat or drink or wear your girl power when the grid falls apart lol. 🤷♂️
@OldWorldOrder you have to tell me what job is not necessary. Even jobs like actor, YouTuber or a football player are useful because help in people's mental health giving them a past time and entertainment. Many times even helping them feeling less alone.
Nearly half of the farmers are women, but let's say they are not. So what?
Anytime they have a work accident, from cutting fingers to breaking bones, do you know who shows up in the ambulance to help? Mostly women. Whitout them I have workers that right now would not be able to work. We all need each other.
Like I said those jobs you described are still being done. I have in my team men from 20 something to almost 60. All working in construction. So I don't understand that worry that for some reason it won't be done anymore.
You said before they refuse to do their role. I asked what is their role and who dictates what their role is. You never answered.
@This_Is_My_Opinion8
God.
@OldWorldOrder still not an answer.
This guy just doesn't get it.
If his profile picture is indicative of anything, he will never get it.
Need just to let him go.
🤣🤣💀lmfaooooo
Let’s just say nowadays I’m competing against men and women for the attention of women lol.