I think some women have indirectly given up on men by no longer being straight, or becoming feminists/woke. Judging by OnlyFans and simp culture, I don't think most men have given up on women, but a LOT certainly have.
I don't know where I fall; I have given up on expecting MOST women not to be selfish and narcissitic, but certainly not all. I just know if I do find a genuinely good-hearted woman out there (@ms_facesitter, @Passion_Devil, @JosyJosy), she's guaranteed to either have a partner, be gay, or both. This not even taking into account that overwhelmingly most women absolutely do NOT like any of the physical qualities I was unlucky enough to be born as, including short, dark skin, overweight, etc. As in, I'm unattractive looking to them. I have two medical conditions that make it near impossible to fix any of these problems, as well.
I 100% know beyond a shadow of a doubt that I would be an amazing boyfriend/partner. But women just aren't into men who look like me, and frankly, I'm long beyond sick of being told to "just have an upbeat positive attitude!" and that's all it takes to get a woman to like you when reality suggests otherwise. No, f*ck off. I was the positive, upbeat, optimistic guy all throughout my 20s and still saw women pass me up for the guys who were 6'4" who treated them like, and I quote, "the cum dumpsters they are." Why TF should I try to act like Mister Sunshine after all that sh*t? I won't lie for one second to tell you I'm jaded and bitter not only about dating, but society in general. Either find me a town with some non-retarded people in it or I just want to be taken off this planet, at this point.
The dating pool in the 2020s for heterosexual singles f*cking SUCKS, and that's without getting into all the "bisexual," "ethically non-monogamous," "non-binary," and transgender turds floating around in said pool. It's become an unflushed toilet, at this point.
TL;DR: I can't speak for everyone, but *I* am certainly sick of being sh*t-on in the Dating Toilet of the 2020s.
Men and women can never "give up" on each other because the need for companionship and procreation is one of our strongest needs. However, I do believe taht the dynamics of interaction has changed drastically thanks to social media and dating apps which has made the sexual marketplace completely deregulated. The only ones who are winning at this are most young women and a very few elite men with most of the average men being kept out of the game. And I think this system is more detrimental to most women because in the long term they are unable to secure commitment from the men they truly desire as evident by the fact that women file for 70% of the divorces. Men are also wising up to this exploitative system where women only marry them because they could not get the elite men to settle down with them, combined with the alimony and child custody laws so they're backing off. The sexual urge of most average is either being suppressed, expressed in other ways eg. hobbies, or being purchased outright in the form of prostitution. The companionship aspect is difficult as there is no real substitute but given the tremendous risks, men are going it alone, albeit at a great cost to their mental health (men are thrice as more likely to commit suicide than women).
I always urge men to not get into relationships especially marriage unless and until you have done the work on yourself and are the top 10% elite and can dictate terms. Marriage is not for everyone.
Its 90% of the divorces if theyre college educated
I think that depends on each person. It's up to us to decide how much we will care and how we will treat the opposite sex. I don't think that men and women have actually given up on each other, I think there's an overall lack of regard and respect for one another that has become more evident lately. It's as though people are forgetting their own humanity and not connecting the way they used to and many people are just not showing up, emotionally, physically and spiritually. People are overall burned out and it's showing in so many different ways.
No. A look at a lot of GAG questions, comments and MyTakes might suggest otherwise, but in real life that’s not the case. GAG is a fertile venting ground for malcontents and those mad at the world - an obsession with fixing blame rather than fixing the problem. Many times the real problem is just a pissy attitude.
I feel like I see it many other places too like Reddit for example. But I do also agree bc offline I have fine interactions
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Yep, they have.
I don't have any insights. And I know the q is a month old. Just wanted to say yep. And it's sad.
u No. I started dating my girlfriend in December 2020 and we are now living together.
Yes I do and I feel that it’s gotten worse as each year goes by. I am a GenX male. I believe we were the last generation before the internet and texting (cell phones in general) dominated society. We were the last high school and college kids to have been socialized like our parents and other prior generations were. If you wanted to take a girl out, you had to muster the courage and composure to approach her and ask her. If you wanted a job you had to actually drive to a location and convince someone in Human Resources that you’re the best candidate to work there. If we were involved in a quarrel with someone, we needed the nerve and bravery to verbally and physically confront that person. And if things got rough, you had better have the muscle to back up your mouth or someone would gladly shut it for you. We didn’t have a cell phone or computer to hide behind while making some of the most lewd comments I’ve ever seen. Facebook and other social media sites really put the cherry on top of this societal epidemic. So yes, I think that things have gotten worse. Simply stated, both sexes are preoccupied by gadgets and social platforms. They have little or no experience in courtship, demonstrate bravado when confronting someone who takes issue with them, they have sexual performance problems because they are over stimulated with pornography and their only example of “real life” is through media. Sorry for the long winded response.
I have. I turn 29 on Friday and I realized that by the time my career and home are sorted out I will probably be in my mid-30s and not have the time or energy for a relationship. I've noticed a huge difference in my spark for life now vs. my early 20s. I see the world as a very horrible and fallen place that I do not want to bring a child into. I do not want to bring a child in this world just to make them face trials equal to or worse than what I've dealt with in life. Even if I wanted kids, the quality of women available near my age is very low. More than likely I would be stuck as some woman's second choice when her other stuff did not work out and I would be worried if she truly loves me or is just settling for me.
Basically, I do not have the means to support a good woman the way a man should and by the time I get to that point the good women will be gone and the world will be too horrible to justify bringing new life into this world. I have no problem remaining a virgin the rest of my life.
I think, more than anything, we have a serious epidemic of loneliness and it is driving us to insanity. We don't know why but we know it has to do with the other gender, so people just get really bitter at the other gender and the animosity just stagnates in their brain without the abundance of interactions we used to have.
So in our loneliness, we become bitter, and then are put off my most social interactions, keeping us from interacting with people on those fewer occasions when we are out and about.
Like I know just SO MANY PEOPLE whose general attitude is "Fuck people. I don't want to do anything if it involves interacting with them". Both as a response to, and the cause of, their social isolation.
I think some evidence in this favor comes from all loneliness symptoms that were already rising, but very specifically spiked to new heights during the COVID lockdowns. Though that would obviously worsen almost any societal issues, it seemed like almost a continuation of the trend we were already on.
Many of the reasons listed below were good reasons why men and women have such a hard time coming together.
The three biggest issues in my eyes is men and women’s perceptions of each other, unrealistic expectations, and a lack of chemical intimacy…
For example the perception of women is their fat, gold digging, sluts and men are nothing but aggressive horndogs, lazy and good for nothing…
Also as a man I feel women expect more from men then what they are willing and able to give. Not all men have the drive to be rich and powerful. I have worked 60-80 hrs a week for the last 10 years and I am tired of it. I want to come home and spend time with my family not work 60-80 hrs a week.
We date online now… nvm I’m bored I’ve already typed this once and it was lost..
Women are the prize men are just a tool… nobody knows what to expect or what’s expected of them… they only know what they want and the other side refuses to be what theywant. Everybody’s just looking to be loved but nobody loves you because as children you weren’t raised right and so you all grew up to be cunts.
The good people are few and far in between. The cunts makeup the majority. Even when a cunt like me tries to improve, ignorance gets in the way. It gets tiring putting forth any effort you can to never see results. It’s easier to be a cunt then to change for someone that probably don’t exist… at least seeing your goal gives you strength to fight on.…
There are recent statistics that increasingly more people are single (including myself).
So woman’s rights took off in the last few decades and more women entered the work force and decided to focus on their careers. Also birth control has gotten much more advanced. Women can delay child bearing. More women graduate from college then men and that’s a trend that’s been going on for a few years now.
In principle it’s a good thing more women got to participate in once male dominated spheres (as long as they are qualified). I have nothing against that. But there has also been a trend where want to be free spirited and promiscuous thinking that was once a “male dominated” pastime. Also hypergamy still very much exists. Women feel entitled to “date up”.
So where does this leave men? We are no less educated. We can get sex easier without commitment but we ourselves are afraid to commit because women initiated break ups and divorces more often then men do. In fact women file for divorce twice as much as men. Maybe it’s justified considering the situation but do men really screw up marriages at a higher rate then women?
This all started with feminism. That’s ground zero for these problems. Not to day feminism didn’t have good intentions in the beginning. I actually support 1st and 2nd wave feminism. But 3rd wave feminism is all about “the woman should indulge any desire she wants and not care about the consequences.”
I also blame porn for this problem. It’s screwing up men and now large hordes of women when it comes to sexual expectations. We always want more because we always see more in porn.
I mean I can’t speak for anyone but myself, but I certainly have. It isn’t that I can’t get a date or get laid in a pinch from a friends with benefits, it’s more that it never goes anywhere. Great, I can get a date! Except they are a terrible conversationalist, we have no chemistry, and I just wasted time and money on the outing. After doing that so many times it just feels pointless.
You look at the women on online dating and it never goes anywhere, one broad-shouldered rotund she-hulk after another, or they have three to five children, or they have blue hair and three nose piercings and are non-binary and ethically non-monogamous or poly.
On places like Reddit and GaG and elsewhere you read about women complaining about being sexualized or harassed by creepers or creepy guys at school/college/the gym/the grocery store/at a coffee shop/at a bar/a club etc. One would think that there is no place where it is ever permissible to ask out a woman. After all, you could be making them uncomfortable and they just want to be left alone, and why shouldn’t they be left alone like everyone else?
So I just said it’s not worth it anymore. Besides, nearly everyone I’ve known who has been married has ended up getting divorced and they regret marriage. One of my friends is miserable in his marriage and is in couples therapy. He’s a nervous wreck from anxiety and depression and is terrified of being financially ruined from divorce and losing custody of his daughter.
Good men have mostly given up on finding a good woman because that seems to be almost non-existent in the modern USA.
Bad men haven't given up on women because all they are interested in is casual sex and that is all many women have to offer.
Many women have given up on finding a good man because her past is unacceptable to most good men so she can only have the low quality ones or the ones only interested in hook ups.
Good women have mostly given up because they continually choose the hook up kind of men with a bad past and think that somehow his morals will magically change for her and it will be different.
i don't think we have given up on each other. I think we do want each other but we don't know how to pursue each other anymore. We have lost our social skills. We stay home to watch netflix, surf the internet, text when we are bored rather than to go outside and talk to our neighbors, play board games. We are more reclusive nowadays than ever in human history. This is why so many of us are single
Fair point.
I think it would be more accurate to say that they're giving up on relationships. If my goal was to hook-up rather than dating that would be simple, and relatively easy to achieve. Finding someone who wants to enter a relationship is like finding water in a desert. Finding someone who would work to maintain one is more akin to finding DI water.
I get it though, if I hadn't gotten married when I did, and continued to date, and have that pile up into more and more hook-ups, I'd be so jaded I wouldn't believe someone if they said they wanted a relationship, nor would I have the capability to be in one. Just the vague memory of how they were when I was a teenager.
I think women have just gotten too militant and uppity with all this PC, women's rights and metoo shit, to the point where most men are just flat out scared to bother with women anymore for fear of being accused of all kinds of bizarre shit that could severely fuck up their lives!! Can you REALLY blame them?
So, now, they got what they wanted!! Guys are ignoring them in droves so, now, they aren't getting ANY attention from guys!! Well, you CAN'T have it BOTH ways! Do you WANT love, sex and companionship or do you want to be left alone?
Yes.
Human relationships have always been based on mutual necessity.
In this modern age, people no longer need each other on an individual level. We have large, complex systems and institutions to serve vital needs & functions.
Our technology has radically altered inter-personal relations, perhaps permanently. It is quite possible that within a century or so, we will begin to go extinct, and the Muslims, Amish, aboriginal peoples & others will inherit the planet.
We have veered off of God's Program for Human Life and He is punishing us for it.
No, but majority of modern men and women need to grow the hell up and stop seeing things as black and white. Women go through this and men go through that, but nobody wants to have that discussion on how stupid the red pill, MGTOW, feminism, and city girl crap is.
Everyone has flaws, but nobody wants to directly address the problem. Majority of modern men and women are childish and need to grow up. Being one sided hurts everyone and don't talk about a certain issue like abortions or relationships around them, because they lose their minds.
Just lol if you think MGTOW and red pill are stupid. Red pill essential teaches men what actual goes on in dating and not the fairy tale you see on tv. MGTOW is a movement of men literally choosing not to engage in LTR/marriage with women but are still open to treating women as flawed human beings and having casual sex with them.
And having casual sex is a good thing to you? That's the problem with MGTOW and red pill. They only reach out to men who never truly understood their own worth and reality, so they preach having casual sex and avoid relationships.
If relationships are not for you, then they are not for you. However, what good is it to have casual sex if there's no true positive from it?
Yes, it is a good thing if this is what these men desire. Many of the MGTOW are filled with men who have tried LTR/marriages and got burnt hard in divorce. They don't want to continue risking what's left of their resources on dating/marriage game. Perfectly logical decision if you ask me.
Many MGTOW are also men who never had real experiences with women as well. You can tell by how the way they talk and act that they just go by what they read on Facebook or seen and heard off YouTube
A wise man learns from the mistake of others. If guys are hearing all these horror stories about relationship and 50% of marriages end in divorce then men are more than right in not wanting to risk it even if they haven't been in LTR with women. This is further supported when we look at quality of women are out in world these days.
The most undateable people are the most obsessed with dating content such as that. Im calling a spade a spade and there is a lot of men obsessed with dating content within MGTOW and Red Pill. This also includes women who are misandrist, feminist, egotistical, and even bitter about men. They are also undesirable
i am starting to suspect u might be a woman pretending to be a man
You're weird dude. That's all I'm gonna say about you. Everything isn't black and white
No. Since modern tech came about it seems a lot of people have lost the ability to talk to one another. Really talk. Both listen and be heard. With no option to “ghost” if you want.
Half the questions here are “what are they thinking”. Ask them! 🤓
Your title should be
Have decent women given up on finding a decent man & have decent men given up on finding a decent woman? That's far more reality.
In today's day and age, the typical concept is no sense of commitment, etc., sleep around, hook up with any cheap whore / manslut, etc. A cesspool of undesirable, often contribute little to society, degenerates. Proven by some of the commentaries.
@APrettyLittleLady87. A genuinely decent lady can find a good man in 30 minutes if she doesn't have an absurd list of requirements.
@KrakenAttackin ROFL. Of course. It depends on what your definite of "good guy" is. I've seen some of here say being a gamer, and not having a job, is a good guy. And what's an absurd list of requirements? Having a job?
@APrettyLittleLady87. I never said I was a decent man.
@APrettyLittleLady87. You need to change your handle to "an angry little lady".
@APrettyLittleLady87 ok, how about only dating guys over 6', who make six figures, and are super attractive. I have heard women reel off their lists before : "his parents must still be married, must play an instrument, must want kids soon after marriage, must have a successful career, and on, and on...
@APrettyLittleLady87. So you reported my comment. Not only are you angry, you are thin skinned. No wonder you can't hold on to a man. You have nothing to offer but sex, and I bet you suck at that.
@KrakenAttackin do you want me to join the conversation?
@KrakenAttackin Are you delusional? I didn't report your comment.
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 You're another loser. Unwanted.
@KrakenAttackin The 6 foot, 6 figures, very attractive comments come from you incel...
Wanting inlaws to be married, must want kids, must be successful... is what any respectable man or woman wants... playing an instrument, etc. is just personal preference.
Come back when you're not a loser. I won't hold my breathe though.
@KrakenAttackin You reported my comment calling you a little yipping dog. And say I reported you? ROFL. What a worthless slobbering mongrel. Did your mother even know who your father was? Or did she go around the street legs wide.
@APrettyLittleLady87 I am not here for you. I have debated against @KrakenAttackin many times. I am here to put him down not to put you up.
@APrettyLittleLady87. I didn't report any comments, I never do that.
@KrakenAttackin most women have absurd requirements for men they want to marry.
Or they have 2 types of guys... 1 for sex and 1 for a boyfriend/husband.. The guy they want for sex is usually a bad boy and the boyfriend / husband is the guy with money ..
Wrong, the tile should be how women found money look 👀 more interested than love ❤️
@baserunner611 easy answer... Never.
@APrettyLittleLady87. Have you calmed down yet? Refilled that Xanax script?
@KrakenAttackin Hm... Unlike you I actually have a life & contribute to society. I've a job, not something you'd know much about.
@Zolly99999 ROFL. Another troll / loser / incel. Your lowe ranking, like Kraken, pretty much indicates you're as much as a douchebag on GAG as you are in real life. Hence women don't touch you unless absolutely gutter tramping.
@APrettyLittleLady87. Yeah, I just sit here burning through my welfare check, smoking meth, and messing with you via my Obama phone. Life is good... I think I will start smearing my feces on the wall... again.
@KrakenAttackin Sounds like you've got your life well planned. You said you weren't a decent guy so best stay home before the police throw you in jail & toss the key.
@APrettyLittleLady87. Yeah, just got out of prison so if my parole officer finds me fucked up on meth, it's back to fending off unwanted love in the showers. Anyway, you sound like fun, wanna have some hate sex?
WOW... You seem to have some issues with life. I hope you seek help for what ever troubles you.
Good luck
Women have been reduced to nothing more than casual sex. In the past a woman would:
Not be fat
Virgin
Cook
Clean
Focus on being a mom
Marriage would:
Give a man control over the woman so she could not leave the marriage (hello its a life commitment)
Compare to today.
If she's not fat now she likely will be eventually
Slept with many men before you
doesn't cook
doesn't clean
Wants to put kids in daycare
Marriage gives you no say at all and in fact gives women control of the relationship where she calls all the shots now or else you have to pay her a lot of money and most likely won't even last so that will happen.
No shit men dont give a fuck about women these days except for casual sex.
i’d say yes because everyone is way too critical of each other nowadays… people say some really harsh things & with social media being so popular, people aren’t used to “real” anymore. on the other hand, i know there are people who want relationships but they move entirely too fast just because they want someone too bad but aren’t willing to take the time to really do it right.
I think it's possible that some have. Other times though I think people are waiting for the right time to date, or date again after a break-up. Some people have other things going on like school, a career transition, or a sick relative that they are caring for, and dating didn't doesn't seem practical.
Yes but I think it´s actually way less a problem than internet makes it look like. There has never been a time where all women and all men perfectly got along. Yes there are issues and it gets harder to find a good partner but I think that nevertheless most people find a partner.
Humans will always find a way to keep going and so will dating.
I think the whole issue won´t be solved online because many of the problems don´t start online.
in modern western culture there are less males being raised to be husbands/fathers and less females being raised to be wives/mothers. many people would rather just have short term flings over long term commitments.
however the rising divorce rates and chances that a guy will get his life ruined by courts. over outdated relationship and/or parenthood laws also play a role to some degree.
If men cannot comprehend that there is more to woman than her ability to make then cum and more than greed, we can come to an understanding. if women want to take his money so much, why do we bother working ourselves? and if all we value is your bodies than why do we get turned on by reading about guys in fiction novels? not because he isn't real, his thoughts are being communicated to us in plain English, it's enticing. but okay, we're money hungry whores, say goodbye to your last name I guess.
"... that there is more to woman than her ability to make then cum..." generally there isn't. Most women have nothing to offer other than casual sex.
women* them* sorry auto correct. that's what im saying.
Why would we care if there "more to a woman than making him cum tho"?
I'm aware that there is more, like her personality, but I don't really care about love or romance, I only care about sex so why does it matter what more to a woman there is?
It's like buying a house and then finding out a free golfball comes along with it, but you never even play golf... Kind of a pointless bonus
how is someone's spirit a pointless bonus
Your confusing what you value with what others value… men want sex and children… that’s literally the only reason only a woman works. For everything else there friends and family. We’re trade our commitment for the sex and kids. Sure her personality SHOULD matter but most guys don’t have such a luxury to be picky.
then that's why my comment is correct. you guys know, but you don't believe in it or it's too much to ask for when sex is so simple. and yeah it is, but is life? then why live long if you could just get what you want from it and die happy? people live long to see how things play out. if you like a girl and you just use her body, then you'll never know if she actually would've loved you if you waited.
Women are worth more than just sex but if the sex aspects not on point she's useless except for sex. For example. Why do i care how awesome your personality is if you're a ho? So yeah dont bother working on yourself for me. I wouldn't give a rats ass. Its the primary factor whether women want it to be or not. If you dont fuck and make men kids then a man can basically be without you since you offer nothing unique a man can't do for himself really.
thank you unit1 and that's also the problem, if you're a man and you can do everything by yourself then what's the point of society? aren't we supposed to be together? don't you think it's wrong just because humans could fend for themselves that we force them to be alone just cause no one thinks there's time to form a relationship? there's not a trophy you get for being a good partner but in life the best things do not have a title or a paper to show for it, you just feel whole from the people you love and as I've already experienced, our families are aging, they're dying, we are the next generation, is that what made childhood so great? that everyone didn't fall in love with anyone and no one made any memories cause we only focused on our careers and adult entertainment? you know, if i was going to have kids, they would enjoy the same pleasures I had and more, but if no man wants to commit to me, i guess I'm out of luck. it's all up to you guys, and you're making a mistake. it doesn't have to be like this, let us be there for you, we WANT to.
@kkstarzz96 yes having kids is important but its still a sexual function. Everything of ultimate importance with women is sexual in nature. Thats why this whole casual sex things fuck the whole equation up since no man wants used goods.
it's a man who takes her virginity in the first place. someone got to it before you did how is that our fault.
@kkstarzz96 because y'all picked someone who wasn't serious about you. Its certainly not my fault now is it? And to make matters worse by not owning up to it and being responsible it even more clear, an irresponsible woman is not most mens idea of a good choice.
I picked? don't pretend you don't bring that up every second when you date the first girl who isn't weirded out by you. you ask until you get. you don't stop until you get. talk about self control to us? clearly you're delusional
I can see what you mean. And i acknowledge.
What's the point of society? Society simply works. At least in Germany and in the US they do. As an example i love taking showers in one of these cabins. Seems like something regular that most people in Europe or in the US would have but i grew up without these "luxuries" but now i can indulge those things, that many take for granted.
Now I'm not sure if that's what you wanted to hear. But i rather not abandon society and i rather not die loveless.
My point exactly. If a woman will give it up just because a man asks a few times... whats to stop her when a man keeps asking her and she's my wife? Especially since its not her fault. Smh. This is exactly what im talking about. No man in his right mind going to want to buy that.
@kkstarzz96 the point of society was when it was necessary for survival to come together… these days were better off then every other civilization to come before. This special situation is the hard work of both men and women for sure but let’s not pretend we’re equals. If all men stopped working all the important shit would slow and stop within days. Millions would die. In regards to survival both are important cause women bring kids but if society dies would you still feel safe? Society keeps women and weak men safe. When it collapses millions will die. Women could keep the power on for a while but not everywhere… what happens to the seniors when the heat waves come? The children when the cold comes? Who fights when the enemies on our door step? Society prevents this suffering and death.
Ironically we’re very close to seeing this outcome lol. Men and women turning away… men won’t fight for women… low power… wars close both civil and world war… with 2 countries!
eventually men stop asking... because it becomes forceful. whether that's mentally abusive or physically abusive. what im saying isn't a lie, and thats what I want to focus on, just because it's not happening to everyone doesn't mean it's not happening. it is, and it's not because we asked for it.
Im not talking about rape. Im talking about the average woman walking down the street. Whats to offer me for marriage? They dont have shit. So what am i supposed to do about it? Its not my fault women ruin themselves. If it was up to me id have them do things differently but what am i supposed to do about it?
@kkstarzz96 I also wanna point out most men want any and all women… we want love. You think men sexing you up and leavings bad try never getting sex or affection from any source most of not all your life. I have to fight for the one single date and I do mean fight. Lots of women used to sit at the bar and just wait to turn on the game for free drinks… I don’t approve of promiscuity but women have more control. They can say no just like men they don’t… they can demand a condom they don’t… they can date with intention and make bad choices fine mistakes happen… but if your counts in the double digits your reasoning don’t matter your a hoe. You LET these men have you too easy. I will never compromise on that.
When womens rights came along women had the right to be like men… fucking women chose to copy the worst part of the worst men. Big question… did it ever occur to you to withhold sex for commitment? As far as I’m concerned if you have to use your body to get a man your not worth dating your boring…
It’s not fair to ask something like restraint from one person you don’t expect from another but we do it every day… family courts prioritize women. Abortions uniquely a woman’s right the father cannot fight for or against and regardless his decision he can get child support. Again let’s not pretend we’re equal.
I agree with vanillasalt cause he actually considers the whole spectrum. bamesjond0069 you just don't like women and I'm sorry that someone convinced you not to
@kkstarzz96 I don't know why you're so offended. And i think women are awesome. I just dont want to marry one who slept around.
name a female virgin who isn't a minor.
@kkstarzz96 lol. Men don’t really hate women. They just don’t respect them. They talk all this shit because their in pain and nobody cares it’s bravado. They have to act this way or they will break. No attempt will be made to help or fix them. When a woman breaks down in the streets and cries strangers approach to help… when a man does it he’s looked at with disgust. When I was oh like 11 or 12 I stepped on a nail while tracking through a field as a shortcut… knocked on a woman’s door asking her to call my family or 911 and showed her my shoe filling with blood. She told me I wasn’t supposed to be there and turned me away. I walked a mile home pushing my bike like that. If I were a woman I’m convinced that situation would not have happened. I don’t want your apology you didn’t do it and it mean nothing 23 years later but the fact it happened… look at the Johnny Depp trial. Men can’t complain about how unfair the world is cause then we’re weak and mistreated more.
I’ve just accepted it and don’t care. At this rate we’re all gonna die to some random virus, riot, food shortage, declining birth rates, authoritarian government, or war… I’m numb. It hurts being alone and unloved but watching everyone suffer equally and slowly realizing I was right all along is kinda bittersweet. I went from helping anyone and everyone I could to sitting here with a small smile on my face when someone else suffers my pain. I think this is A LOT of people. It’s why we have school shooters and dating sucks… it’s the cause of all the rape and murder in the world. The only thing preventing me from walking that path of depravity is the fact I’m a naturally empathetic person. Quoting Bo Burnham though… “my empathy is bumming me out”.
@kkstarzz96 my point exactly... thus why every dude is a fuck boy out here. 99% of women aren't worth shit and its not my fault. Im just dealing w whats in front of me. Fortunately men dont have much desire for marriage so im set. I can fuck hos and thats that. Its certainly a better alternative than marrying a slut.
im sorry that happened to you. we don't really empathize when young boys get hurt cause they're always bouncing off the walls knowing they're bound to get hurt. i was jumping over things and something felt wrong and I lifted my pants and my leg was cut to whatever layer is the deepest of the skin, insane. i wasn't outside though, I wasn't playing with any other kid, I was just bored and saw suitcases in the laundry room and pretended they were hurdles. it's easier to see how a woman wasn't looking for problems, then it is a man cause they're too curious for their own good. why do you think when our vaginas become interesting, they think of all the fucking ways to fuck one, so much so, my ass hole becomes part of the equation. thats just fucking nuts. but hey, you're not afraid, and we are, we don't want to upset people, and that's why I'm saying no it's not because we're whores that we sleep with guys, unfortunately you're right, there's a line out the door for us and some of them are very pushy. they say a lot of things before we get to the part, we do it because we've been persuaded this is whats best for the both of us, took me a few times to realize i wasn't getting shit. might as well stop talking to guys in general or be expected to be in the same setup all over again. if a guy really has a plan on how this makes sense for us, im listening.
It doesn't make sense thats why you shouldn't do it.
shouldn't have sex?
Yup. Sex.
like I said, I didn't.
Well cool. Whats your issue then with men asking for sex if you just tell them no?
no does not work
How does it not work? If you dont have sex then men dont use you for sex.
I told you not to apologize. There’s so many things we can do to help the situation. I don’t think any one of them will fix it completely… that being said.
Communication. Words of empathy. Kindness. Courtesy. Men don’t ask for as much as women think. Men sleep around but that’s fixable by strengthening the family and marriage. We def need to work on the balance of marriage between the sexes. It’s one sided and I won’t legally marry anyone. We also need to remain calm. It don’t happen often but I have a great deal of respect for anyone that can disagree respectfully and people that can take being treated like shit and remain calm. I lose myself sometimes and if they respond calmly and logically it completely disarms me lol. I hate feminists but I made a friend irl with once from here and we get along despite the fact she’s just a feminist (joking) she’s great. We talk about things we disagree about and move beyond our disagreements and that’s something I think people lost. It’s a big point of respect for me.
Aside from promoting family and marriage withholding sex until you know these men is a great way to build mens feelings. Women seem to get a feeling off the bat from something we do or how we act but men have to get to know you to value you.
I realize most of what I’m saying is things women can do and ignores mens responsibility but that’s only cause it’s almost guaranteed to work… just that alone will build us up.
@VanillaSalt the only men thing can do is stop lying and being soft cucks. Every man that says ohh she slept around ill marry her anyway they hold up as an example that men dont care. Pumping and dumping girls is actually helping because it lets women know they are doing something wrong. Every dude that dumps a girl over ho behavior is putting his values out there and letting her know. Sitting home to masterbate doesn't teach women anything. Do women cry when a man doesn't talk to them before they have sex? No. But after. Yes they do.
withholding sex for the sake of commitment is also this concept I don't really understand why it has to be this way. which leads me back to my comment. I think men could learn to understand there is more to life with us after sex. hey man eventually if I like you, I love you, I marry you, were gonna have sex, now what, did I just trap you? that wasn't my intention. I don't want to trap anyone, I just want things to grow from what initiates sex in the first place, a connection. but because this isn't the way it is, I can't even be around guys cause I don't like this power move, I just won't even go there and put myself in a room alone with a man who feels safe to ask me can we do it and for me to basically be forced to get up and leave and make him feel stupid, or do so and wonder what i did wrong later cause he stopped showing interest.
I mean either sleep around, wait until marriage or at least some serious commitment, or buy 7 cats and be a solo cat lady to die alone. Those are the only three options you can count on.
you can easily sleep with a long term boyfriend and not get the commitment other than the fact you dated someone for years and have nothing to show for it. it's not that simple. and I'm sick of having this plan like I'm an Evil villain plotting to get a man to commit to me, he should just fucking want to cause he wants to make sure I'm okay. you know how many exes I wondered how they're doing so many years later, it's cause if we would've worked out our differences, like vanillasalt said, agree we are different people but have a relationship that embraces it, I wouldve been down to give a shit cause i already decided in the early stages they mattered to me. its not that hard.
The problem is women assume all men want is sex. That’s on u guys not us. Plenty of men do actually want a serious relationship but u guys are so fucking clueless about men u can’t pick them out
"you can easily sleep with a long term boyfriend and not get the commitment..." this is why people say to wait until marriage.
am I supposed to date somebody for years and say I fucking like you I just can't touch you
Who said wait years? Just get married then have sex. Why wait years? Seems ridiculous to me.
nah man that's what Christians do they date somebody for a 90 days and get married just to say they waited till marriage. that's not waiting. waiting means waiting. I'm waiting to know that i love you through all of it, not so i can sleep with you for my own sanity
Bond… being a shitty person don’t make people wanna be better…
@kkstarzz96 you look beautiful. If you came onto me Ide sleep with you. But lust is not love. I would not commit unless I felt there’s a special benefit. And I’m pretty sure you wouldn’t commit just because I was willing to commit…
I don’t like the idea of no sex till marriage because I’ll never get married. You have too much power. What’s the harm in waiting a month or two? Men hate being told no sex… but they absolutely love having to work hard for something and then succeeding. I would respect you more if you waited several weeks or months to get to know me first. That respects important to men.
I don’t believe in love at first sight. That’s just lust. Love is years together. Knowing everything about someone. Soul mates don’t exist. Two random people come together because their attracted. They date to see if their compatible. They give a life-long commitment to each other to never leave. I think divorce shouldn’t be easy it should be a super difficult and long process and not possible unless extreme circumstances like death or abuse… women want commitment but you women don’t know what commitment is… 80% of divorces are filed by the women. That’s not commitment. When you have no way out your forced to make the best of the situation.
commitment is less what a paper says and more that I know he's loyal by heart. that I'm on his mind and he thinks about me when I didn't ask him to, he just has it set where whatever he does he's going to do it with me too. if you're going to ask about my dad, incase you're wondering where all this is coming from, yes, he wasn't an active dad, until now. he makes an effort every week to see me. our relationship has never been more secure, and he does not need to give me money to secure it either. but he didn't want to either when I was growing up. and it put me through a lot, I've come to the conclusion my dad was a victim of his own self, it wasn't just me suffering from being with him. so i imagine men who are this careless when it comes to their women, are also not happy themselves. and I'm not expecting whoever I end up with to be secure and happy all the time, but if you told me when I was little I'd have to wait until i was 25 for my dad to give me the time of day, id say why do I have to wait? it just doesn't make sense. and thanks by the way lol
No that’s no commitment. Like I said you don’t understand what commitment is… you described empathy and attachment… obviously a man should consider you… but if you don’t stay with him even when he don’t your not committed.
you're the one who says 90 days and years. What about one year?
Also you dont seem to like Christians however marriage is really a religious thing. Christians get married because the Bible. If you're an atheist or something I don't know why you would do something from the Bible? Makes no sense.
that does make sense though. only cause thats the reason my last real relationship ended.
I went 10 months now. around month 7, it gets painful. and no I'm not an atheist, I'm just not a Christian.
Well I believe all religions made up to teach people morality through stories… almost all religion outlaws the same damn things like murder rape and theft… I don’t believe in God the being but the idea I completely believe in… let’s be honest his book is his words and people have died because of his words… Ide say that’s just as real as you or me.
Lmao I win I went 23 years :P
no not age you lost your virginity it's time from the moment you were dating to when you guys had full intercorse sex, assuming you two were not virgins already, which is no contest, much harder than two virgins who are just scared.
I waited for about 7 to 10 months for two girls. It wasn't a big deal at all and really made our relationships better... because i basically pumped and dumped any girl that didn't wait so... lol
Lol if you made me wait 10 months Ide leave… 1-3 months tops is enough time to know if you’re interested. I devote myself to the partner I’m dating so yeah I’m not getting any anywhere else so yeah better put out.
Me and my ex split like 3 years ago… no wait 4. Yeah. Well we stopped having sex like a few months ago. We broke up cause we weren’t compatible but we worked together for many things for 7 years.
In my life I’ve been in 3 relationships and 1 hookup. I’ve had sex in many ways far more then you lol. But with only 4 partners. I take pride in that. Ide have more partners if I had more options for sure but idc about no string’s sex. On the contrary let’s get out the rope and contact… little leather goes a long way.
there's also details missing such as long distance and full intercorse excludes oral. as for bond I have no idea why his wait time is that long. imagine how many dates you can have in that amount of time and anytime you're kissing for longer than a second you just feel his hard on against you and have to pretend it's not there or back up lmao
So you’re saying you lose control… that’s not a bragging point lol.
I understand completely. But the fact is men use that weakness to get you and leave. Have standards.
I don’t do long distance… although my first time was with an ex I had moved in with me to help her out of her abusive situation. Friend from high school. We were officially together 3 years and dated for a year in high school. People… change.
I learned not to date single mothers from her. Cheating whore.
my point exactly, it's hardly a weakness but biologically hardwired.
Enjoy your shitty men… as long as you think like that you’ll never find what your after.
Birds biologically can fly but are still effected by gravity. Fish biologically can breathe underwater but they CAN drown under the right circumstances. Women and men biologically come together to have sex and children… but that’s not what you want. You want commitment.
I think it's affected
I haven’t had sex in months. Ide love nothing more then to bury my face in a juicy pussy but that don’t mean ima go out and buy a hooker…
Yeah it’s affected.
over a year now. I think I'll be okay. I'm disgusted by the new information that I'm not more more a pointless bonus compared to my hole.
@kkstarzz96 I think women are worth way more then the sum of their holes. But men don’t get to know their value until they know the women themselves… the sex being the guys in… the personality keeps them there.
I wish I could find a woman like my brothers wife… she’s amazing gives way more then Ide feel comfortable asking for…
@kkstarzz96 "imagine how many dates you can have in that amount of time" a lot. Thats the point.
"it's hardly a weakness" its definitely a weakness and one that makes a woman unsuitable for a serious relationship.
"that I'm not more more a pointless bonus compared to my hole." You may be quite awesome but your hole is the primary value for a relationship. If a great personality made one marry, why wouldn't i just marry my best guy friend? Its sex and reproduction! Thats the primary purpose. A cars primary purpose is to get you from A to B. But a Mercedes is better than an old beat up honda. However a beautiful new mercedes that doesn't run is useless compared to the beat up honda that does. This is a great analogy of dating actually. If you want to present yourself for marriage but do not excel in your purpose, men would prefer a beat up honda they dont have to buy than a mercedes that doesn't run they do have to commit to for the rest of their life.
@VanillaSalt "men want sex and children…" speak for yourself.
From someone that has a wife that gives me more than that I can promise you that the love, care, support and companionship that you get from family and friends is not the same as you get from your partner. Not even close.
thats reassuring to hear thank you
@kkstarzz96 don't confuse the ignorant mass of gag as good representation of real life.
yeah personally I enjoy women for more than sex and want a long term relationships. He’s probs just in a bad mood and will change his mind later. People come on here to talk shit a lot of the time.
Lol opinion do you have sex with your wife? @Kkstarzz96 would you marry a man that was completely uninterested in having sex with you ever? There is a very very small handful of men that don’t consider sex a top 3 or top 5 in importance… And once again you don’t just value random women to the moon and back without getting to know them…
@VanillaSalt I do have sex with my wife. I never said that sex is not part of a relationship, it absolutely is. I am am saying there is more than that.
I never said it was all women offered look back a few posts and see what I said before you go correcting me.
@VanillaSalt I am really not going to read all of this conversation. When I got here it was because of a sentence you said I didn't agreed with. But if you tell me that you also think men want relationships for more than babies and sex then we actually agree.
Go back 11 posts… literally 2 posts prior to your comment.
@VanillaSalt than why did you said what you said previously?
you can't really ask for someone else's wife you have no idea what it takes to have their relationship, and also that's weird... cause it's your brother's. guys are also like this though, which i why AGAIN I would say "no doesn't work"
“That’s literally the ONLY reason that ONLY a woman works”. In other wards if we didn’t want sex or kids we could have men for partners…
I don’t want my brother wife…
whenever there's dots... there's truth being withheld, usually from the sentence before it
… have you been reading my posts? I … a hundred times a day… not arguing about this your wrong I don’t want my bros wife. Although I might kidnap my wonderful niece soon lol.
@VanillaSalt so if not for sex, you could have a relationship with a guy?
I assume you are including any form of physical contact as sex and honestly I don't agree with that.
If physical intimacy isn’t an option Ide value a man’s friendship and support as much as a woman’s. There’s nothing special about women other than the ability to give birth. No difference from a man.
@VanillaSalt even if I could not have sex I would still be in a relationship with a woman. But I fully respect who has other sexual orientations.
Lol no homo. I’m talking friends. Take the sex out and a wife is no different then a close friend.
@VanillaSalt I understand what you are saying, but to me it is still different. Even if I take out sex, the relationship I have with my girl friends and the relationship I have with my wife is still not the same. It's a different dynamic and interaction.
i don't know what you mean cause I'd much rather be friends with guys then i would be with girls and that was since the beginning of time. my girl friends always got mad at me cause they had all these expectations of what i was supposed to do in our friendship that i was never aware of and confused why they had to get mad first to tell me what they wanted. obviously guys say the same things, but I do communicate what i want, and i also do not have expectations beyond reason for my friends. they are a friend but they're not my only friend. the reason a girlfriend or wife will have expectations and get mad when they're not being met is cause you're supposed to only have one girlfriend or wife. what else is taking away his attention? it doesn't have to be another woman, it could be depression of something, but men don't talk, so we assume the worst and develop losing trust in him. there's no other way to be on the same page than to explain what your intentions are. and when I realized sex is solely the intention in getting involved with women, I am baffled cause that was not mine in getting to know a man. it's not fair
If you take out the intimacy then Ide rather hang with the guys myself. If intimacy is considered… if sex, touching, holdings considered women win but that has more to do with my attraction to women then preference. Again in order to reach the point a woman’s worth investing in you HAVE to get to know her.
I’ll say this again. The sex and intimacy brings men to the game but you have to be interesting and respected by them to be worth committing to. Star you didn’t answer me. Would you marry a man you knew wouldn’t have sex with you ever? If you can’t say yes for sure then you also value sex highly. Very few people are asexual and comfortable discarding sex and intimacy all together.
If a woman let herself go in appearance and isn't pleasing to look at, in her youth ran up a 500 bodycount, but now is asexual and does not have sex with you and is say 38 so minimal to no fertility remaining... how much is she worth committing to as a wife? Personally i say zero. She may be super nice, smart, funny talented you name it... but she has zero value for a romantic relationship. So if she has zero value in that way, whats the driving factor of a womans value in marriage? The sexual aspects of which they are of utmost importance. I don't know why thats so controversial to say.
If you would have asked me when i was a virgin, id say yes. but when you've experienced sex, it's hard to be close to the opposite sex without considering it often. and I mean close like the one where you guys are dating, not necessarily friends. it wasn't my intention to have sex, I wanted a boyfriend but boyfriends want sex even if they haven't slept with anyone ever. that's my confusion. wanting to kiss someone cause you're attracted and wanting to penetrate is completely different desires. if you want to get the close to somebody you should already like them as a person, otherwise just keep looking, it's free and no one gets hurt or confused. that's what celebrities are for, but don't use people in daily life, we all work hard just trying our best, why do you have to use them to make them feel like shit? but to answer, of course I'd feel insecure. just cause he doesn't want sex with me doesn't mean he doesn't want sex. thats the only reason why. if he truly liked me as a person but felt like he couldn't violate me that way, I don't know i guess we could talk about it and see where we meet.
@bamesjond0069 like I said sex is a part of a relationship. For sure. Sexual compatibility is a thing. Is one of the reasons I fully support everyone having sex before marriage. Screw virginity, people need to fuck to see what they like and what they want.
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 ok neither here nor there. Would you find the woman in my example... amazing personality and all but with no sexual value to have ANY value as a wife?
Star… what the point of dating to you?
companionship. I wish I could ask my exes for you but most of them don't associate with me. to the few times I did get an answer, it's cause I was hot and I had a big smile that's inviting and makes them want to stick themselves in my mouth. how would I know lmao
Lol. Marriage is for companionship dating is the interview before marriage. Or interchange marriage with commitment. Either way you date to get to know if you wanna spend your life with someone.
@bamesjond0069 define sexual value.
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 im referring to the post above i guess 2 of mine back. Just read the example of the woman i described and tell me if she has marriage value.
@bamesjond0069 to me? I would not want her because she doesn't want to have sex. Everything else I couldn't care less.
But, and here lies the point. Imagine a girl, 19, virgin, gorgeous... Who is also a bitch with no culture, no intelligence, zero social skills, obnoxious, total femdom.
Do you want her?
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 i would be highly interested to date her since she's very valuable however if i couldnt improve the obnoxious bitch part id not marry her. I could care less about not being unintelligent or not very social or anything. Just the obnoxious bitch part. But even as is she is also highly valuable for casual sex. So id want to date her even just for a chance at sex. The woman i listed above i wouldn't even talk to in any way shape or form.
@bamesjond0069 the girl I listed was into femdom. So to have sex with her you would have to be super submissive in bed otherwise she doesn't want you. I did listed femdom.
You don't care about intelligence and social skills for a relationship. I do. We all value different things.
@bamesjond0069 of course she is into femdom, includes pegging.
Still want to have sex with her? Still have any value to her?
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 lmao well then no. But id argue its not a good example because thats sexual. The real opposite of my example is: she's 19 she's hot she is a virgin she is submissive sexually... so very valuable in sexual ways... she has a weird personality is dumb bitchy difficult boring. Now which of the two would i date? The hot virgin that fucks my brains out with nothing else good about her... over amazing personality who is sexually unappealing and has no sex. Which would you prefer if you had to choose one.
@bamesjond0069 no no no. You gave me your example and asked me if she had any value to a relationship.
I gave you my example and asked the same. That's how it works.
And see? Neither of us was satisfied with just sex or just with her personality.
But you both found sex important… so I rest my case.
sigh it's day 2 man how long can we talk about this headline
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 ok but your example was its own thing because she had neither sex or personality. Either way i answered it. Now what about my new question? Either perfect amazing sex but nothing else to offer or perfect personality and no sex. Choose one.
@kkstarzz96 on gag? Expect it to die out soon only to be resurrected in a year. Lol
@bamesjond0069 perfect personality and no sex. I can always just rub one out. But nothing pays or makes up for the rest.
sex is a skill, it's not something you have when you're born or have been working on since you were a toddler. you know why there are rich and successful people my age? because they've been working on it since then. you can always get better at sex. personality is usually met with stubborn beliefs. that's why again, my comment, men can change, but they refuse
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 i dont believe you would marry someone knowing you will never have sex just because she can be your best friend. Why not just have a best friend that can be your best friend? Just doesn't compute and sounds like total PC nonsense.
@kkstarzz96 sex for a woman is not a skill. This is why men prefer low mileage women. In fact id even argue the more sex a womans had with other men the shittier she is at it. Sex with a woman is like a leather glove. Brand new its a little rough but as you wear it it breaks in perfect to mold to your hand 100%. If you bought a somewhat used leather glove its already softened in a bit which can be nice immediately but it will never 100% conform to your hand. If you bought a highly worn glove it will be all lumpy and weird fitting. So in terms of marriage... someone you commit to for a long period of time... putting in effort with a virgin pays off to get the perfect match. For a one night stand or short term relationship sure thats not as ideal... and then there are men who dont plan ahead and cannot delay gratification and would prefer a lumpy ass glove today and forever than God forbid the inconvenience of a virgin even though they know it will pay off they just cannot help themselves.
I’m trying to explain this to you but your not getting it… your purpose to me and most men is sex and intimacy… take that out and your no different then a friend. Most men look for women cause they think their hot and want them then they decide to stay with them because their have something more… don’t matter
If you can’t accept sex is important then you’ll never get anywhere. If you can’t understand men value what they work for and as a less used woman you’d have more value then just sleep around im going bed.
@VanillaSalt yes 👍
oh you were talking to me lol I do understand I just don't think it's fair
Ah yes your right unfair… let’s discuss fairness… Here in Texas it’s extremely difficult to adopt as a single man. Unrealistic even. I have to rely on women for children. Buttttt… if the condom breaks I have no say. I can tell her I’m not interested and she can still have the child. Not only will she get primary custody at an overwhelming rate, 90% of the time, but she’ll get child support. If I want to keep the child I have no say… she can kill my baby without consulting me. Family courts favor women. My mother whom was a druggy drunk abuser user won me after all… sexual assault isn’t taken serious against men or boys. Women come with intrinsic value just for having a womb but as a man I have to work to be valuable…
I hate the words equal and fair. People arnt equal and life isn’t fair.
you have to talk to who you're sleeping with. and you know what prevents this from happening, knowing at least something about the person you're sleeping with, I get it, I was surprised by the people who turned out to be my boyfriend, but at the very least, his family knew me and we could always work together on raising my baby. if he told me to abort it, for whatever reason, not that i think i would sleep with someone who gives off those vibes. I would keep it but he's gonna have to come back and speak to the kid if he ever wants back in, not me. I have too much pride to rely on a guy when it comes to my kid. my mom had the same views. literally it would've been so hard but it was hard with him and without him, the difference was she didn't trust his intentions for me but she knew her own, and that was to make it seem like none of it was hard so i could be a happy child, at her own expense. I'm sorry about your mom, and hey, when my mom passed, my questionable father got me too, cause biological parents are favored in court, not relatives that give a shit. I know it's not fair, but we don't have to add to it.
@bamesjond0069 I prefer to never have sex than to spend my entire life with a person I hate.
Lol… but we are. You have more rights and freedom as a woman then I do. When it comes to family and law women are given far FAR more leniency then men. It’s always men expected to be the one to sacrifice. It’s always men that have to be self-made before their date worthy. Women are born with value and men have to build their value. Even then they’ll never be worth a woman…
This stupid standard in societies caused men and women to hate each other. Ima just be straight about it… fuck women that don’t give me the time of day to show my worth. I wasn’t on your radar so your not on mine idc about you or your problems and I won’t be there to help when you have a flat, or need help carrying something heavy, or someone is assaulting you. That’s the path we’re on now.
“We don’t have to add to it” every time a woman divorces a man or a man cheats or a woman acts like she’s too good for someone or a man walks past a woman in distress they exacerbate this whole situation. I don't know what you expect people to do but for me… I won’t go out of my way to help people that don’t care about me. And I’ve associated that to most women these days. Just as most women look at men as lust filled dogs… so that’s why men and women don’t want anything to do with each other. Women get paid and taken care of by the government the more they drive away men.
so I mean what do you think we should do? like if there are no good options then what is the plan. I don't know about the rest of the world, but I'm just concerned with whoever I end up with again, that I don't have to go through all this again just cause I didn't take the time to understand what is involved here.
@kkstarzz96 i mean there's no good options for men either. The only way to fix this is a return to normal. This feminism female empowerment stuff is whats driving this. We got to start teaching young women to wait for sex and that focusing on home duties is a good and valid option. Changing divorce laws back to how they were pre 1970s would make a big help as well.
There isn't much any single one individual can do to correct things unfortunately.
if you told me it does not mean he loves you if he loses his virginity to you, i would say ask you then what does? and I'd probably say now, it's a choice you make everyday. one day someone loves you and a few months later they act like they don't know you is not love, and young people play that game all the time. it's just admitting the fact that emotions are not stable and you can't trust your peers with your heart lol. you can care about them but don't give them all of your care, cause it's also the age you learn how to care for yourself, and it's valid because I don't cook and no one I know does it even once a week.
Yeah , it's been seeded into society maybe that's all part of the plan to as the other blue anon says 'to separate the genders'
It's the same with the NWO social credit system, let the bills keep rising and food become more scarce until they (read democrats or the Labour/Lib Dems) offer to wipe the slate clean so you are debt free and give you a feast if you sign up to join them then they'll strip your assets away for enshrinement of modern slavery by another name
I can't speak for women because I don't see things through their eyes. From a man's perspective, I wouldn't say men have given up on women, but they have travelled a long way down the road toward that destination. I think men today are feeling disenfranchised in general, and disappointed in women and what relationships are becoming. That's a big generalization, but lots of truth in it.
I think sometimes. Finding a good person really is not just women or just men. It is both. Good people are becoming fewer and farther in between and hook up culture is really running anything meaningful
u nope... I never gave up, because there was nothing to give up, never been a struggle
also know a lot of people in my life, both men and women... that are not "struggling and quitting" living life in this sense
edit/update lol "keep it civil"
these kind of questions are just a call for all the incels, the mitches and the MGTOW's of the site to come in hordes and start harassing all the women in here, just watch...
Love ❤️ is exact, precision to love 💕 some. I always pick the wrong who never love me back
@baserunner611 not into dudes... sorry
No, straight women only
@baserunner611 I'm not a straight woman either, sorry...
People don't vamue themselves, they don't value other people. Everyone is dispensable and there is always something better around the corner. This is the overwhelming mentality.
I don’t think like this. I think your just gonna leave… or she’s using me… or I got too little free time after work to speak with this self absorbed witch…
I don’t have the ability to attract catches but when I pick I grab the cheaters… I’m 3/3… even my hookup was a cheater apparently.
I know I have certainly given up on women. There has been a huge divide lately, women blaming everything on men, men blaming everything on women, I'm just done with the whole thing. I want absolutely nothing to do with anyone anymore. Tired of all of it. Left vs Right, Women vs Men, White vs Black, LGBT vs Straight. Pro-Choice vs Pro-Life. I'm just done with it all. The whole world can just kiss my a** at this point, done with them all.
Absolutely, I can't speak for women but it's definitely true that a lot of men have completely given up on women.
In fact I'd say the majority of good men have decided to leave the game to the cads, abusers and players.
Wow, the incel energy in this comment section is hilarious. Step outside and touch some grass guys. Get out of the woe is me neckbeard basement. Work on yourselves ffs.
been there done that
waste of time
im gonna stick to Christ
you idiots can do w/e it is you do
@Lookingforthetruth
exactly women will just try to ruin you
@Lookingforthetruth LMAO
Not completely but it's definitely going that way. I myself gave up on woman a long time ago and have stayed single for 18 years. I just can't tolerate the way women are today: crazy, selfish, bitchy, ungrateful, unloyal, materialistic, argumentative, fickle, arrogant, manipulative etc.
It may seem that way from what kind of discourse circulates online, but in any real-world environment where single men and women come together, attractions invariably bubble up to the surface, and new relationships flourish in abundance. It's just that we're all so cynical that nobody wants to acknowledge this basic tendency for men and women to "find each other".
I have not given up on women. I am not a quitter. I had to give up on a woman (singular) because she quit. She does not represent all women so I don't feel the need to give up.
Women are just exploring their millions of options. They will never give up on men.
And men are the ones competing with the billions of other men that every woman has in her phone and their dogs too.
No! Although, in a few cases that is true, 50 of indoctrination cannot overcome two million years of human evolution.
*50 years of indoctrination
@chris_987 You must be a public school graduate that has no idea what an education is. You can talk about what a home school student doesn't know when you can pass this 8th grade exam:
www.grc.nasa.gov/.../1895_Eightgr_test.htm
No But I dont see any guy that even attempts to catch my attention especially when they ask where to take me on a first date…. ultimate pet peeve please try to plan something after I tell you my interest. I’m content going on dates alone and traveling alone so if I do the work I don’t need you to go.
MAnd what do you do to catch THEIR attention? I think men these days just arnt familiar with how dating works and neither are women. Things have been complicated beyond measure.
For example… you might expect a man to pay while many women think. it’s insulting. But from our POV she’s probably not interested so why spend all that money? Even if she is interested why are we expected to be the traditional if she’s not prepared to be?
Expectations, reactions, consequences, and benefits have all changed.
Different question. Do you think you deserve a good man? Most women say yes but do they really? I don't know. Looking at women online no they don’t. I have no luck in dating apps and I don’t have the time to invest in hunting some woman probably not at my level. If I drop all standards I could have a fat, loud, slut in my room in a few days… but I’m worthy of more in my eyes…
This is why no guys try, girls are not interested, and if a guy shows a girl he likes her... She is a bitch about it and tells him to fuck off.. this is why we stopped trying. Why bother
Wow entitlement is off the charts
No, there's enough thirsty people on GaG to show that's not true.
And there's even more outside or off your phone.
@Smoke-n-Growls. True, there will always be thirsty simps l, but women hate simps as much as real men do.
I think a lot of people have given up on the idea of genuine love. It's sad that people don't know how to treat eachother anymore
Men have given up because it's no longer the 1930s where they were able to control women and use them as sex objects and maids. Women aren't settling for their nonsense nor bare minimum mentality.
Do we care if men have given up? No
I'm pretty sure you'd care if men gave up mining coal, smelting steel, farming, purifying your water, trucking your food, putting out fires, policing your towns, et cetera.
You are frail creatures who need men to survive. You would do well to remember that.
Yeah frail enough for your mom to carry you for 9 months. Gtfoh , try having a baby 🤡
That's wrong, I never had a desire to use a woman, I only wanted a girl for romantic love and sex, I just have up on them since I see how easy it is to be rejected by them from. social media and YouTube I examine the female behaviour and see most are bitches who have extremely high standards, so I never even tried to get a girlfriend in my life... Why set my self up for 90% chance of rejection? Not worth it, that's why I gave up before I even tried
And also how easy it is to be accused of rape jus by saying hi, and you can see by this girls response here is proof of how much bitches girls are, and no one wants a bitch
Like why bother. Better to save yourself the struggle
It calls lesbian
Yawn🥱
@uptowngirl88. Funny how all of the dirty, dangerous, hot/freezing cold, late night, jobs I have worked the total female count was either ZERO or so few as to be very noteworthy.
@KrakenAttackin 🥱 yawn
@uptowngirl88. Men do all of the painful, dangerous , exposed, necessary work. If you can't admit this than you are a lost cause.
Oh u mean when blowjobs were considers immoral? Yeah I’m sure they were really treated like sex objects then. Ur victim complex is massive and it’s really not cool to hate on men cuz of ur own internal issues
@KrakenAttackin 🥱 yawn..💀💀
Majority of homeless, suicide victims, prisoners, war veterans, workplace deaths, drug addicts and plenty of other things are all men. U have no respect for the fact that men hold up society and u just get to live ur little peachy life at home while men go out and have to deal with all the bullshit. It’s entitled af and u should feel bad.
Okay. This seems like a great place did this thread to stop. So... let's all stop.
@SecretsofKB why?
Because she said so and y'all too emotional
How she is saying nothing, but "Yawn 🥱" and you all still manage to write essays? Then you are surprised at what she said at first.
🤣🤣🤣💀💀💀
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 Because we value civilization, and watching low-IQ neurotic women ruin it kinda upsets us lol
@OldWorldOrder and how are theses supposed neurotic and low IQ women ruining civilization?
@This_Is_My_Opinion8
By refusing to serve their assigned social roles. Society is built on social contracts. When women refuse to honor their end of the deal, the contract falls apart, and none of our social institutions can function properly.
Of course, in the long run, men will be back in charge, because women can't survive in a world without electricity or running water or grocery logistics. So they will inevitably be back under the mercy of a man. But they're too stupid to understand the futility of their actions, so we all have to be dragged through this downward spiral by these stupid worthless whores.
Women ruin everything they touch, and that's why the Islamic world has the good sense to stuff them into a garbage bag and beat them silly whenever they misbehave.
🤣🤣🤣💀lmao
Still 🥱 yawning
@OldWorldOrder and what are the roles assigned to them? And by who?
All that sounds is like you want to take away people's freedom to decide what they want to do with their lives.
I get it, you think that unless we all follow those arbitrary roles that society will collapse. And my question is... why? According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics women make most of the workforce since last December and the world still functions.
Society is changed. It will never go back to what it was because mine still to all those things you talked about. I am civil engineer I command construction workers daily and we still do our jobs. Only difference is there are more woman engineers than before. They are as competent as me or another man.
Just like there are jobs that are mostly done by men there are those who are mostly done by women. We work in the construction they work in care. We need both and both are still being done. So what is your concern?
@OldWorldOrder not "mine still to all". Instead "men still do all".
@This_Is_My_Opinion8 he ain't too bright 🤣💀.
@This_Is_My_Opinion8
Most of the jobs today are fake work that adds no actual value to anybody's life.
Women don't mine the coal.
Women don't pave or maintain the roads.
They don't provide the electricity.
They don't run the farms that feed us.
They don't provide the municipal water.
All of the vital functions are served by men. Men who are aging. Men who are retiring. Men who are not being replaced.
Demand rises with population, but the supply of skilled laborers is shrinking. Unions are going insolvent.
So I hope you can eat or drink or wear your girl power when the grid falls apart lol. 🤷♂️
@OldWorldOrder you have to tell me what job is not necessary. Even jobs like actor, YouTuber or a football player are useful because help in people's mental health giving them a past time and entertainment. Many times even helping them feeling less alone.
Nearly half of the farmers are women, but let's say they are not. So what?
Anytime they have a work accident, from cutting fingers to breaking bones, do you know who shows up in the ambulance to help? Mostly women. Whitout them I have workers that right now would not be able to work. We all need each other.
Like I said those jobs you described are still being done. I have in my team men from 20 something to almost 60. All working in construction. So I don't understand that worry that for some reason it won't be done anymore.
You said before they refuse to do their role. I asked what is their role and who dictates what their role is. You never answered.
@OldWorldOrder still not an answer.
This guy just doesn't get it.
If his profile picture is indicative of anything, he will never get it.
Need just to let him go.
🤣🤣💀lmfaooooo
Let’s just say nowadays I’m competing against men and women for the attention of women lol.
No, feel as if a vocal minority on the internet forgets that most people do not go online to voice their opinion about anything. And that most people generally avoid stereotyping.
Ofc, women have given up because we no longer take shi from them, they have to make their own money, pay for the date, no more "open the door for the ladies"
so its understable they had it easy but men have finally woken up.
I know I did many years ago. Didn't take me long to realize what a waste of time it was lol.
No. There are still people making it work. It can be hard finding someone of good character and easy to give up, but most worthwhile endeavors are difficult.
No. I'm still trying, my friends are still trying. I surrounded myself with the right people.
Your still single. Tell us you surrounded yourself with the right people when you get married.
@VanillaSalt Why do I need to be in a relationship to see respectful men and women around me?
The question was in regards to dating not respect.
@VanillaSalt I mean yes, but mutual respect in dating is important, and I see those around me who don't look down on eachother, don't fight as much as we do here
like none of them are bitter or judgy towards eachother
That’s because their not alone and ignored…
Something about social media takes our ability to coexist.
@VanillaSalt I agree with that. Apart from maybe this I don't use any. It's better this way.
Friend of mine quit this app and she’s much happier.
I came here to get answers and share thoughts and ideas hoping people smarter then me will put my concerns and feelings into words for others to learn from… most of you are a bunch of fucking idiots though lol
@VanillaSalt I wouldn't join here with high expectations.
There’s people here that act like bitches that actually learn from some of what I say even if they tell me they don’t understand I seen people change their minds after a discussion with me. I’m not looking to change everyone just help.
Ever felt like you alone have a problem then you find someone else posting the same concerns you have but we’re too afraid to put out there?
I’m the guy that posted his laundry out for everyone to see… look at my baby carrot flopping in the wind!
Can you say sexual harassment ;)
@VanillaSalt Never felt like that. We are all just people, normal people living everyday lives, we're not that different from eachother. I don't think there is much to be embarrassed about. I mean, there is even an anonymous option out there.
Good advice from a hidden face means almost nothing.
@VanillaSalt How come? If they help you out, they help you out, even if you don't know who that person is. You won't be able to thank them properly, but it's not the end of the world.
Pepe don’t trust you when you hide shit.
Besides everyone in here knows I got a small dick and emotional damage lol
@VanillaSalt If an anonymous says 2+2 = 4 like an opinion that makes sense. Why shouldn't you trust it? Everyone here is a stranger to eachother.
@Ms_Facesitter address but this site has 20k anonymous users but only one VanillaSalt. I don’t want my words conflated with some feminists Nazi sympathizer…
I have a reputation lol
everyone has given up on everything the world is so screwed up now and I don't think we can ever return to normal anymore we are past the point of no return
Nah we just don’t respect each other’s differences anymore there are some really amazing women out there they just aren’t always the prettiest or loudest
I wouldn't mind doing a woman just to emphasis how lost i feel without a man 🥺
@chris_987 having sex with her
@chris_987 dunno. I'm a virgin. I was making a bisexual joke, by the way.
@chris_987 u didn't just invalidate my sexuality
@chris_987 good talk
No. Everyone I know IRL is in a relationship. Only people who spend too much time on the internet actually think like this.
I keep hearing this? Loss of ambition a screw it attitude seams to be common. Less want to work hard and look for a good match / mate. Much more to relationships than sex.
It seems that way by too much divorces and court cases
I don't. I'm just taking a break, focusing on myself for a while.
Yeah. But both sides are justified.
It is what it is.
The culture of pimps and whores is not worthy of the grace of love.
My date from Saturday picked her new Xbox over me. Lol
given up on relationships sure but not on each other in general. Everyone is still boning down all the time 😂
People are exhausted from the COVID and politics…. Who has the energy for more 💩
2 factors not helping is online dating and the US courts, at least from the male point of view.
No men still love the women no matter what women still want a man it's there just some times a little confused
Too true, we love ❤️ are women
Everyone is flooded by people. There are people everywhere. There is no break.
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