I think some women have indirectly given up on men by no longer being straight, or becoming feminists/woke. Judging by OnlyFans and simp culture, I don't think most men have given up on women, but a LOT certainly have.
I don't know where I fall; I have given up on expecting MOST women not to be selfish and narcissitic, but certainly not all. I just know if I do find a genuinely good-hearted woman out there (@ms_facesitter, @Passion_Devil, @JosyJosy), she's guaranteed to either have a partner, be gay, or both. This not even taking into account that overwhelmingly most women absolutely do NOT like any of the physical qualities I was unlucky enough to be born as, including short, dark skin, overweight, etc. As in, I'm unattractive looking to them. I have two medical conditions that make it near impossible to fix any of these problems, as well.
I 100% know beyond a shadow of a doubt that I would be an amazing boyfriend/partner. But women just aren't into men who look like me, and frankly, I'm long beyond sick of being told to "just have an upbeat positive attitude!" and that's all it takes to get a woman to like you when reality suggests otherwise. No, f*ck off. I was the positive, upbeat, optimistic guy all throughout my 20s and still saw women pass me up for the guys who were 6'4" who treated them like, and I quote, "the cum dumpsters they are." Why TF should I try to act like Mister Sunshine after all that sh*t? I won't lie for one second to tell you I'm jaded and bitter not only about dating, but society in general. Either find me a town with some non-retarded people in it or I just want to be taken off this planet, at this point.
The dating pool in the 2020s for heterosexual singles f*cking SUCKS, and that's without getting into all the "bisexual," "ethically non-monogamous," "non-binary," and transgender turds floating around in said pool. It's become an unflushed toilet, at this point.
TL;DR: I can't speak for everyone, but *I* am certainly sick of being sh*t-on in the Dating Toilet of the 2020s.
Men and women can never "give up" on each other because the need for companionship and procreation is one of our strongest needs. However, I do believe taht the dynamics of interaction has changed drastically thanks to social media and dating apps which has made the sexual marketplace completely deregulated. The only ones who are winning at this are most young women and a very few elite men with most of the average men being kept out of the game. And I think this system is more detrimental to most women because in the long term they are unable to secure commitment from the men they truly desire as evident by the fact that women file for 70% of the divorces. Men are also wising up to this exploitative system where women only marry them because they could not get the elite men to settle down with them, combined with the alimony and child custody laws so they're backing off. The sexual urge of most average is either being suppressed, expressed in other ways eg. hobbies, or being purchased outright in the form of prostitution. The companionship aspect is difficult as there is no real substitute but given the tremendous risks, men are going it alone, albeit at a great cost to their mental health (men are thrice as more likely to commit suicide than women).
I always urge men to not get into relationships especially marriage unless and until you have done the work on yourself and are the top 10% elite and can dictate terms. Marriage is not for everyone.
I think that depends on each person. It's up to us to decide how much we will care and how we will treat the opposite sex. I don't think that men and women have actually given up on each other, I think there's an overall lack of regard and respect for one another that has become more evident lately. It's as though people are forgetting their own humanity and not connecting the way they used to and many people are just not showing up, emotionally, physically and spiritually. People are overall burned out and it's showing in so many different ways.
u No. A look at a lot of GAG questions, comments and MyTakes might suggest otherwise, but in real life that’s not the case. GAG is a fertile venting ground for malcontents and those mad at the world - an obsession with fixing blame rather than fixing the problem. Many times the real problem is just a pissy attitude.
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Yep, they have.
I don't have any insights. And I know the q is a month old. Just wanted to say yep. And it's sad.
u No. I started dating my girlfriend in December 2020 and we are now living together.
Yes I do and I feel that it’s gotten worse as each year goes by. I am a GenX male. I believe we were the last generation before the internet and texting (cell phones in general) dominated society. We were the last high school and college kids to have been socialized like our parents and other prior generations were. If you wanted to take a girl out, you had to muster the courage and composure to approach her and ask her. If you wanted a job you had to actually drive to a location and convince someone in Human Resources that you’re the best candidate to work there. If we were involved in a quarrel with someone, we needed the nerve and bravery to verbally and physically confront that person. And if things got rough, you had better have the muscle to back up your mouth or someone would gladly shut it for you. We didn’t have a cell phone or computer to hide behind while making some of the most lewd comments I’ve ever seen. Facebook and other social media sites really put the cherry on top of this societal epidemic. So yes, I think that things have gotten worse. Simply stated, both sexes are preoccupied by gadgets and social platforms. They have little or no experience in courtship, demonstrate bravado when confronting someone who takes issue with them, they have sexual performance problems because they are over stimulated with pornography and their only example of “real life” is through media. Sorry for the long winded response.
I have. I turn 29 on Friday and I realized that by the time my career and home are sorted out I will probably be in my mid-30s and not have the time or energy for a relationship. I've noticed a huge difference in my spark for life now vs. my early 20s. I see the world as a very horrible and fallen place that I do not want to bring a child into. I do not want to bring a child in this world just to make them face trials equal to or worse than what I've dealt with in life. Even if I wanted kids, the quality of women available near my age is very low. More than likely I would be stuck as some woman's second choice when her other stuff did not work out and I would be worried if she truly loves me or is just settling for me.
Basically, I do not have the means to support a good woman the way a man should and by the time I get to that point the good women will be gone and the world will be too horrible to justify bringing new life into this world. I have no problem remaining a virgin the rest of my life.
I think, more than anything, we have a serious epidemic of loneliness and it is driving us to insanity. We don't know why but we know it has to do with the other gender, so people just get really bitter at the other gender and the animosity just stagnates in their brain without the abundance of interactions we used to have.
So in our loneliness, we become bitter, and then are put off my most social interactions, keeping us from interacting with people on those fewer occasions when we are out and about.
Like I know just SO MANY PEOPLE whose general attitude is "Fuck people. I don't want to do anything if it involves interacting with them". Both as a response to, and the cause of, their social isolation.
I think some evidence in this favor comes from all loneliness symptoms that were already rising, but very specifically spiked to new heights during the COVID lockdowns. Though that would obviously worsen almost any societal issues, it seemed like almost a continuation of the trend we were already on.
Many of the reasons listed below were good reasons why men and women have such a hard time coming together.
The three biggest issues in my eyes is men and women’s perceptions of each other, unrealistic expectations, and a lack of chemical intimacy…
For example the perception of women is their fat, gold digging, sluts and men are nothing but aggressive horndogs, lazy and good for nothing…
Also as a man I feel women expect more from men then what they are willing and able to give. Not all men have the drive to be rich and powerful. I have worked 60-80 hrs a week for the last 10 years and I am tired of it. I want to come home and spend time with my family not work 60-80 hrs a week.
We date online now… nvm I’m bored I’ve already typed this once and it was lost..
Women are the prize men are just a tool… nobody knows what to expect or what’s expected of them… they only know what they want and the other side refuses to be what theywant. Everybody’s just looking to be loved but nobody loves you because as children you weren’t raised right and so you all grew up to be cunts.
The good people are few and far in between. The cunts makeup the majority. Even when a cunt like me tries to improve, ignorance gets in the way. It gets tiring putting forth any effort you can to never see results. It’s easier to be a cunt then to change for someone that probably don’t exist… at least seeing your goal gives you strength to fight on.…
There are recent statistics that increasingly more people are single (including myself).
So woman’s rights took off in the last few decades and more women entered the work force and decided to focus on their careers. Also birth control has gotten much more advanced. Women can delay child bearing. More women graduate from college then men and that’s a trend that’s been going on for a few years now.
In principle it’s a good thing more women got to participate in once male dominated spheres (as long as they are qualified). I have nothing against that. But there has also been a trend where want to be free spirited and promiscuous thinking that was once a “male dominated” pastime. Also hypergamy still very much exists. Women feel entitled to “date up”.
So where does this leave men? We are no less educated. We can get sex easier without commitment but we ourselves are afraid to commit because women initiated break ups and divorces more often then men do. In fact women file for divorce twice as much as men. Maybe it’s justified considering the situation but do men really screw up marriages at a higher rate then women?
This all started with feminism. That’s ground zero for these problems. Not to day feminism didn’t have good intentions in the beginning. I actually support 1st and 2nd wave feminism. But 3rd wave feminism is all about “the woman should indulge any desire she wants and not care about the consequences.”
I also blame porn for this problem. It’s screwing up men and now large hordes of women when it comes to sexual expectations. We always want more because we always see more in porn.
I mean I can’t speak for anyone but myself, but I certainly have. It isn’t that I can’t get a date or get laid in a pinch from a friends with benefits, it’s more that it never goes anywhere. Great, I can get a date! Except they are a terrible conversationalist, we have no chemistry, and I just wasted time and money on the outing. After doing that so many times it just feels pointless.
You look at the women on online dating and it never goes anywhere, one broad-shouldered rotund she-hulk after another, or they have three to five children, or they have blue hair and three nose piercings and are non-binary and ethically non-monogamous or poly.
On places like Reddit and GaG and elsewhere you read about women complaining about being sexualized or harassed by creepers or creepy guys at school/college/the gym/the grocery store/at a coffee shop/at a bar/a club etc. One would think that there is no place where it is ever permissible to ask out a woman. After all, you could be making them uncomfortable and they just want to be left alone, and why shouldn’t they be left alone like everyone else?
So I just said it’s not worth it anymore. Besides, nearly everyone I’ve known who has been married has ended up getting divorced and they regret marriage. One of my friends is miserable in his marriage and is in couples therapy. He’s a nervous wreck from anxiety and depression and is terrified of being financially ruined from divorce and losing custody of his daughter.
Good men have mostly given up on finding a good woman because that seems to be almost non-existent in the modern USA.
Bad men haven't given up on women because all they are interested in is casual sex and that is all many women have to offer.
Many women have given up on finding a good man because her past is unacceptable to most good men so she can only have the low quality ones or the ones only interested in hook ups.
Good women have mostly given up because they continually choose the hook up kind of men with a bad past and think that somehow his morals will magically change for her and it will be different.
i don't think we have given up on each other. I think we do want each other but we don't know how to pursue each other anymore. We have lost our social skills. We stay home to watch netflix, surf the internet, text when we are bored rather than to go outside and talk to our neighbors, play board games. We are more reclusive nowadays than ever in human history. This is why so many of us are single
I think it would be more accurate to say that they're giving up on relationships. If my goal was to hook-up rather than dating that would be simple, and relatively easy to achieve. Finding someone who wants to enter a relationship is like finding water in a desert. Finding someone who would work to maintain one is more akin to finding DI water.
I get it though, if I hadn't gotten married when I did, and continued to date, and have that pile up into more and more hook-ups, I'd be so jaded I wouldn't believe someone if they said they wanted a relationship, nor would I have the capability to be in one. Just the vague memory of how they were when I was a teenager.
I think women have just gotten too militant and uppity with all this PC, women's rights and metoo shit, to the point where most men are just flat out scared to bother with women anymore for fear of being accused of all kinds of bizarre shit that could severely fuck up their lives!! Can you REALLY blame them?
So, now, they got what they wanted!! Guys are ignoring them in droves so, now, they aren't getting ANY attention from guys!! Well, you CAN'T have it BOTH ways! Do you WANT love, sex and companionship or do you want to be left alone?
Yes.
Human relationships have always been based on mutual necessity.
In this modern age, people no longer need each other on an individual level. We have large, complex systems and institutions to serve vital needs & functions.
Our technology has radically altered inter-personal relations, perhaps permanently. It is quite possible that within a century or so, we will begin to go extinct, and the Muslims, Amish, aboriginal peoples & others will inherit the planet.
We have veered off of God's Program for Human Life and He is punishing us for it.
No, but majority of modern men and women need to grow the hell up and stop seeing things as black and white. Women go through this and men go through that, but nobody wants to have that discussion on how stupid the red pill, MGTOW, feminism, and city girl crap is.
Everyone has flaws, but nobody wants to directly address the problem. Majority of modern men and women are childish and need to grow up. Being one sided hurts everyone and don't talk about a certain issue like abortions or relationships around them, because they lose their minds.
No. Since modern tech came about it seems a lot of people have lost the ability to talk to one another. Really talk. Both listen and be heard. With no option to “ghost” if you want.
Half the questions here are “what are they thinking”. Ask them! 🤓
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Have decent women given up on finding a decent man & have decent men given up on finding a decent woman? That's far more reality.
In today's day and age, the typical concept is no sense of commitment, etc., sleep around, hook up with any cheap whore / manslut, etc. A cesspool of undesirable, often contribute little to society, degenerates. Proven by some of the commentaries.
Women have been reduced to nothing more than casual sex. In the past a woman would:
Not be fat
Virgin
Cook
Clean
Focus on being a mom
Marriage would:
Give a man control over the woman so she could not leave the marriage (hello its a life commitment)
Compare to today.
If she's not fat now she likely will be eventually
Slept with many men before you
doesn't cook
doesn't clean
Wants to put kids in daycare
Marriage gives you no say at all and in fact gives women control of the relationship where she calls all the shots now or else you have to pay her a lot of money and most likely won't even last so that will happen.
No shit men dont give a fuck about women these days except for casual sex.
i’d say yes because everyone is way too critical of each other nowadays… people say some really harsh things & with social media being so popular, people aren’t used to “real” anymore. on the other hand, i know there are people who want relationships but they move entirely too fast just because they want someone too bad but aren’t willing to take the time to really do it right.
I think it's possible that some have. Other times though I think people are waiting for the right time to date, or date again after a break-up. Some people have other things going on like school, a career transition, or a sick relative that they are caring for, and dating didn't doesn't seem practical.
Yes but I think it´s actually way less a problem than internet makes it look like. There has never been a time where all women and all men perfectly got along. Yes there are issues and it gets harder to find a good partner but I think that nevertheless most people find a partner.
Humans will always find a way to keep going and so will dating.
I think the whole issue won´t be solved online because many of the problems don´t start online.
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