
How much does a woman value decreases in the dating game once she has a child?

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Quiet a great deal actually. That of course depends on many details.
First of, people who like to marry or date virgins will naturally loose interest in her. That decision has been made for reasons that in a conservative mindsight allow all of these first experiences to be theirs and should ideally lower the risk of divorces. Other reasons are her mental and financial situation, as well as her relationship with the baby's father or the rest of the family/(friends).
Secondly, with an absent father and maybe no other family members to support her, one would demand a lot of another man to step up to these responsibilities when they were never his to begin with.
Is co-parenting part of her plan? Not everyone is ready to have a family, let alone taking care of someone else's child. Or is this dating just for fun?
Lastly, the man will inevitably bond with the child once they spend enough time together.
And if this relationship ends too there will be at least two relationships broken. This will take a toll on everybody involved.
This statement can apply to men too but there are women who are a single mother because the father died (which obviously you should heal from prior to seeking out a new relationship) as it isn’t always because her previous relationships didn’t work out. It will be a lot harder for a single mom to find a new relationship because not every man wants to raise another man’s child but also on the flip side she also has to be a lot more careful who she does choose for the sake of that child. You don’t want someone who is a POS being around your kid. If a woman is bad at relationships in general that would be a red flag, but just being a mother doesn’t make her a less valuable partner.
I dont know why this is even a conversation in the west, in majority of the world e. g. Asia, and Africa this isn't even a question. Men do not date or take seriously women with kids. I dont think western men understand that dating a single mom means that you are on third priority; after her, her kid (s) and most probably the father of the child. Secondly, you are playing a role in raising another man's seed, so she gets to fulfil her genetic destiny, the child's father gets a chance to do that also, and you what do you get, you're the chump helping to raise the kid. Asian and African women know that a child out of wedlock means they'll be kicked out of the home, there is shame and dishonor associated with it, that's why it is very rare here and we dont have to worry about dating single mothers.
Exactly it does matter if the kid is ours or not.
Almost all value for obvious reasons. Why do I want to raise and spend money on some other guys child? Why do I want to be somewhere behind her children, herself, possible the natural father figuring in some where in the equation?
It is also a strong indicator she has not been able maintain a relationship or had enough random sex to get pregnant accidentally and wasn't smart enough to avoid that. Either of these is a 'stay away' signal.
Over the course of time -after about 20 years and her children are independent - it might be a positive upside. That is she won't be trying to get you to father a child with her in the twilight of her fertility. Then possibly value rises due to that but her body is not ging to be so good 20 years on.
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First of all, dating shouldn’t be called a game🤷♀️…
And this “value” crap is ridiculous…
I get not personally wanting to date someone who has kids, but that just means they’re not the right person for YOU, doesn’t mean they have less value as a PERSON…
Just like I wouldn’t personally date a man that has multiple kids with multiple women, but I wouldn’t say they have no value as a person or a man🤷♀️
I don't have kids but I've had pets before and I think that when you take care of somebody else, that is better for your mental health than ten million hours of therapy. Instead of studying chemical equations in psychiatry schools, we need to study how to be nice to each other.
I'd say it decreases it by 80%.
By a lot. She naturally has less time to date, ho on holidays and have sex. Her main focus is her children who are not yours most step dad's end up in some way financially support these kids. The only reason to date a woman with kids is sex rather than long term commitment.
It's like given the choice between a woman with kids and one with no kids it's more in the guy's best intrests yo choose the childless woman and one day start a family with her.
So going by the number of kids I'd say 50% lower value and take another 10% per kid and that's before over 30 years of age. Look at Kim Kardashian, the only reason I would date her is to smash and for her money.
Can be quite a bit in practice. The time she must devote to the child or children (sorry, just reality), plus the potential for baby daddy drama, and potential extra expenses. A lot of that can be mitigated if the daddy is not in the picture (abandoned them or passed away) and she has the resources to hire a nanny or family to watch the offspring. Still most guys, unless they are single dads, are probably not going to be keen on raising an other man's children, so all other things equal the prospects of a long term are much lower than if she were unencumbered.
Most guys don't want to raise somebody else's kid. And then there's the issues with single mothers usually being insane, disloyal sluts. Obviously there's some single moms who either learned from their mistakes or were genuinely dealt a rough hand in life, but they're the exception, not the rule.
Probably similar to single fathers. They will have different priorities in life, resources will be prioritised to kids.
I had a few dates with a single mum, we talked for about a month. But getting her time was very difficult, sometimes would be a couple of weeks at least between being able to meet.
For a single person with no commitments, it can be difficult to accept.
Often not as much as many people might think, especially if she only has one or two children. Many guys, myself included, view this kind of situation as a ready made family, and are therefore seeking a woman like this.
depends on a varying number of factors.
was she married to the father? if yes, what age when she gave birth, how long were they together, why is dhe not still with him, is he still in the picture, how long ago did she give birth, does she expect me to pay for and raise the child?
if no, was the child the result of a one night dtand, rape, bad relationship, did she plan on having the baby as a trap,?
thats just some of the basic factors questions.
Women who suffer the misfortune of birth control failure are chastised either way by somebody in society. They are sluts who couldn’t keep their closed (even though plenty of men don’t like waiting for marriage either). Or they are terrible people if they choose abortion. It’s a lose lose situation.
Oh well there are plenty more lose lose situations for men usually through no fault of their own, and there are even more lose lose situations for certain men, especially the men who become doormats for single mens.
You reap what you sow
@DarkLegacy in the history of this world, women were usually the parent who got dragged if they decided to raise the kid. Nobody cared about the guy running off and shedding his responsibilities. As a woman, you lose or you lose. Still nowadays.
@DarkLegacy You didn't give reasons or examples, you just stated that they also have lose-lose situations.
@ZamerZ Yean I missed the reasons too but apparently they're worse 🙄.
That is because they are, women just like to thing they are the worse done by gender because they have been brainwashed by feminists
And women are terrible people if they abort rather then take responsibility for their actions, everything about feminism is about making things easier for women and blaming men if women do wrong. Women should make better relationship decisions if they don't want to find themselves in difficult situations like that.
It is there fault for purposely going for bad guys that they are told to avoid. There is no excuse for them being young and naive
Women effecativley put themselves in the lose lose situation.
I don't understand the question: most women are made to be mothers (some are sterile). They bear the life of the next generation, it's programmed in their DNA.
What's the point about dating a woman if you don't want to marry her and have children with her? Just to have fun or something?
The question says "in the dating game.". Hence before marriage.
@Jamie05rhs OK. So, what's the point about dating if it doesn't lead to marriage or at least a LTR, a long term relationship?
@AlbantheGreat The question is about a woman in the dating game who already has a child.
@Jamie05rhs I'm outside of the dating game since many years (I needed, and still need, to reflect on that past relationship), so I never dated such women, because I didn't date anybody since my last relationship.
To answer to your question: I don't know. I was too young to ask myself that kind of question before, and I don't expect to date anybody nowadays.
Well, people have stories, so it has to be expected a woman in her 30s has at least one child.
Personnally, I'm a MGTOW in monk mode, a bachelor. One of the questions is: are women really trustworthy nowadays?
@AlbantheGreat Okay.
The answer to your question is obvious, in my opinion. They are not.
@Jamie05rhs If you're right, it's worthless to date.
@AlbanTheGreat Basically.
There's an unfortunate reality I noticed with a lot of single moms, especially ones with multiple fathers for her children. They've made a number of poor life choices and the previous paramours are deadbeats or treated very poorly by the mom without being able to see their kids. The second situation leads me to think that if I go down the road with her, that she's going to do the same thing to me. The former makes me think that she's a dumbass.
They reap what they sow
It doesn't decrease her value, but it does decrease her chances of finding a partner. Once a child is involved, whether the mother wants to or not, you will still be interacting with the child because the child is part of the mother's life. That takes a lot of responsibility on the man she is dating, to step up and help her, so they can have romantic time together.
Depends on who you ask. To a real man it wouldn't decrease her value at all. To a man that is a piece of shit then they obviously are selfish and think a kid will take time away from them 🙄
@Chthou95 ofc but that's not the point like one person can't do it all. There have been times where I had leave my kids with a neighbor to be able to go to the hospital. Sometimes it's impossible to take them everywhere. Having a village is necessary and part of how kids should be raised. Being anti childern just because they aren't your own is disgusting
Apple, you're being completely unrealistic about this. It's not normal to want to take care of someone else's kids. If anything, that would make me suspicious that the guy is a pedophile.
It's a complete entitlement mentality to think that other men will just take up the role of father to another man's kids. And there are women out there who would take advantage of that to push the biological father out of his kids' lives.
@Avicenna I'm talking about throughout all of human history so no a lot weren't getting paid. They did it because they valued life.
Not all bio fathers (or mothers) should have rights. Some are terrible people.
Why would someone not be able to bond with a child just because it isn't biologically related to them? If that's the case then like I said they are just anti kid
Men haven't taken care of other men's kids throughout history. That's been relatively rare.
We are biologically hardwired to bond with our biological kids, not another man's kids, especially given the financial obligations for other men's children. And that reality doesn't make men "anti-kid".
@Avicenna it hasn't been rare at all especially due to a lot of moms dying during childbirth. Men had to step up and raise the child even if they didn't know if it was theirs or not.
We are capable of making bonds without being blood related. It makes them anti kid and anti mom (which most of society now a days is anyways not just these specific men)
To a real man it decreases by %100. No man wants to bring up someones elses child, it goes against nature. Women who fuck around with alpha guys, have their kids and then try and get with good guys later on are the real pieces of shit
@DarkLegacy it doesn't decrease. Women will always hold value even if they have 100 kids someone's still gonna want them. Just how it is for women. y'all only feel the need to attack my opinion because men are not given the same value in life. It's projection at its finest.
No they do not, that is just your thinking and men are not monsters for not wanting single mums. Grow up and get over it and stop demonizing men for their preferences.
@DarkLegacy nah not just my thinking. I see posts on other sites all the time saying the things I said here. This site is just full of lonely men that won't ever become fathers or are already fathers and don't even see their kids. y'all truly projecting because you have fears of not even being a dad
@DarkLegacy honestly it's giving some womb envy as well. Men don't hold any power in creating life so you choose to try to control it somehow yet you can't
Lol it has fuck all to do with the reasons you just gave
@DarkLegacy on some level you know the things that I'm saying are true. It's why you are taking offense to it
Not i don't agree with you on most things
I think this question is extremely age dependent , single teenager to 25 , probably quite a bit I would suspect , but remembering that the " clock is ticking " , I think its less of a factor as she gets older.
It lowers her value by 1 or 2 points. If she is a 9 or a 10 it lowers her value 2 points to a 7 or an 8. If she is a 5 or 6, it lowers her value by one point.
Grow up
@DarkLegacy Do you have a different opinion?
I would never date a single mum because they are usually are just looking for a sucker to settle with after going with alpha guys when they were younger, a fate that awaits you. I reject them and other women who have the hit the wall daily. im talking about the silly rating system you use, it shows the child in you.
@DarkLegacy Regardless, my rating system is accurate for a substantial number of men. If the best a man can do is a single gal that a 7, he might prefer a beautiful single mom that is a 9.
A good bit I assume. It's dumb to think she will be on the same level as a woman who's similar but without a child. The single mother would need to bring something above and beyond other women.
If they're 18 and can support themselves then I don't care that much. If they're 6 that's a no go.
She loses 4 or 5 points out of ten. Most men don't want to raise another man's child, and mist women won't let a man discipline their children so they couldn't raise them correctly anyway.
Why does it matter? People already don't have any value to begin with..
Why thinking of leaving your husband and taking up with a sucker
@DarkLegacy Nope.. Just saying who ever anyone goes out with has no value anyways.. Humans suck and are a vile species..
I would say it goes down considerbly. Especially if she has never been married and the father is not in the picture.
It decreases a lot. Most men dont want to be helping or raising a kid that is not there's. The kid will always be first and if the dad is around, why should i take care of his kid? Even though that's what the single mother will want me to do
Depends on if you think like a misogynist or not.
Lmfao, how pathetic, labelling men with the most overused feminist insult because we won't be doormats to women and take on your baggage. If that is the case you are a misandrist for not settling down with 'nice' 'beta' 'good' guys when you are young, You are also a misandrist and lookist if you won't date someone because of looks or have a look preference and you are also a misandrist and a ablest if you won't date men with disabilities.
You are just another bitter millennial who has hit the wall. I get inundated with them when they would have ignored me ten years ago. What come around goes around. You modern feminist influenced women think you can get away with whatever you like
As I have said many times before on here. A single mother is about as attractive to a man as a homeless man is to a woman.
You have to put in an analogy otherwise some women will simply not understand.
To date seriously then significantly. The reality is the child is going to be in the way a lot and most men won't like a child being in the way when he's trying to spend time and sex with a woman.
Her value decreases to zero for me. I'm not interested in moms.
Quite a bit. She becomes nothing but a fuck buddy to high value men.
It's like the difference between a new or used car. Suddenly you're in the market for divorcees.
A divorced person is worse than a used car.
It is killed off except for single fathers and those, who want to raise another man's kids.
Well the guy she's interested in dating cannot be her first priority anymore.
Well, I'm married, so um, at least by 10% or so.
most men would not want to be a step-dad
Down to less than 12 percent
don’t talk about “value” like that
It decreases by %100
Why is it always women but not men?
I'd say it decreases by about 80%.
Obviously a lot.
It doesn't decrease.
Quite a bit I imagine unless the kids are grown
The value drops tremendously, yes.
I'd say a lot
A lot.
I think a lot
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