Should men with no dating experience be giving dating advice?

[Anonymous]

these guys have a podcast, and are dishing out dating advice but don't actually date. they ask females out, but are turned down

ray and gio

eric solis

[ButtFloggedTroll]

Not exactly dating advice, but I as a virgin man offer free hookup training for women. Hit me up if you think you're a potential client.

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[Anonymous]

I am a virgin loser, but I don't watch any Red Pill or dating advice videos. A lot of those dating coaches have been caught taking pictures in rented fancy cars, taking pictures in front of someone else's Yacht, and paying for prostitutes to flirt with. The red pill is mainly for guys who want to cope with their insecurities, so they listen to a guy telling them how bad modern women are so they can feel better about what a loser they are and give donation money to them. The manosphere is just to brain wash them.

Me I know women are more intelligent and create more value than men. That is how the red-pill copers are. Like when you see guys making up bullshit stories about how successful their life is on here, but when you say something they do not agree they lash out at you in rage sounding bitter and pathetic. It shows how closed minded a lot of men are and that is one reason why women are create more value and positive changes.

I have accepted I won't ever amount to anything because I am not important like a woman is to society. I will always be a virgin it is not feminism or women's fault. I know nothing I do will matter to anyone. I was born a worthless male and I will die one too. There comes a time as male when you need to accept it's over and just throw in the towel.

[Asker]

yea i heard about the dating coaches who hired actors. sad how some people think its real, just like vitaly, and fouseytube pranks

[Opinion Owner]

Yeah the guy from Fresh and Fit had paid a woman to come on his show from a sugar daddy website. I do feel bad that women are getting ahead of men. But I understand why they are. It's because a lot of men want that traditional wife and push hatred of women. I end up getting discriminated against by society because of the bull they push. I understand why women do not feel comfortable around men anymore. And instead of blaming women men need to accept the reality that women are out performing men. But instead they keep pushing for bullshit and hatred and nothing is going to change.

[mandyfire98]

I say no. If you've never been in a relationship how can you know what it's like? It's not a movie, it's nothing like a movie. It's something you have to experience. Easier said than done.

Same with giving sexual advice as a virgin. Real sex isn't like porn at all. It's a whole different ballgame when you're actually doing it.

I can see ufc fighters fighting on tv and understand the concept of throwing a punch or kick but in a real mma fight most of us would be terrible. Experience vs no experience. I know how finances work but I'd probably fail at being a financial advisor. There's levels to this shit.

[Anonymous]

Bro this Anonymous guy (who called himself loser) whose age is 30-35 , his answer's is so good , can't agree more. I agree with all the points which he said. He sounds like a mature , smart, geniune , sweet, caring and intelligent kind of person. AND is such a green flag which a girl need, instead of those dumb sigma kiddos.
Hey if U ARE READING this, REMEMBER THAT U ARE NOT A LOSER. U ARE BEST, MATURE AND INTELLIGENT guy. It's difficult to find these kind of guys on internet or even in real life.
And I don't know why😶mature, geniune , smart and good guys are 30 lol why they are not in 20s.😅😊

[Opinion Owner]

I can't reply on his anonymous comment that's why I commented here.

[AviatorTom]

Sure, why not? Catholic priests give marriage advice, even though they have never been married.

A person could be giving advice on what they see their friends or relatives do.

Like any advice, take it or not... your choice. Some advice is good, and some is not so good, regardless of where it comes from.

[WhyohWhy69]

Their advice is allegedly from God and the Bible though. Most of the people who write the Bible had wives.

[Asker]

@WhyohWhy69 exelent answer. i think that guys who dont date shouldn't be giving advice on who should pay on the first date, when to pick a woman up, how to pick a woman up, when to kiss a woman, when to hold a womans hand. they won't know this because they don't date

[JacobJordan]

I would say it depends. Is their dating advice actually decent? If so then absolutely. If however their dating advice is bad then obviously no. I gave lots of dating advice when I was single because people came to me asking. I always was upfront about being single they still wanted my opinion because in their words "you're the nicest person and you always treat people well and most people like you" so I gave them advice. Some ignored it (of course) others didn't. The ones who didn't ignore it ended up in serious relationships which have lasted from that time to present. 20+ years. Those who did ignore it had bad relationships for several years and eventually changed directions not sure if it was my advice or other advice.

[Asker]

their advice isn't decent, but i didn't want to say that to influence peoples answers

[JacobJordan]

That is smart. And given that my answer would remain the same. If it is terrible absolutely not.

[guy_123]

If they are turned down then what advice can they give me? Emotional support not to give up, perhaps... but nothing more. And that is not even dating.

Yes they could comment on how they would like their dating to be or how they imagine it (which may be helpful to some), or even help in specific question like here on G@G... but it definitely isn't enough to justify a podcast and I would not want to listen to that.

[Asker]

they will say goofy things like, you got to be confident, you should dress this way, you have to shoot your shot, you should do cold approaches (which they do but got nowhere), women dont know what they want, women dont know what theyre talking about, etc

[guy_123]

Yeah, in the end it's pretty pointless. Cold approach is not for everyone and won't work 99% of the time, other advice may be more helpful, like the fact that having your hair nicely done is attractive, but everyone know it just as they do. As in a question I read here... What is complicated, people or love? Definitely people.

[Asker]

even with hair, dress, if you look at skaters, most of them are dressed as bums and some females still like them

[guy_123]

Yeah, quite incredible... I must be missing something.

[TheSpaceGnome]

Advice quality does not correlate with experience, because you can observe the paths that others take to see what works and what doesn't. What actually matters is the advice giver's comprehension skills. If they lack good comprehension, their advice is more likely to be bad, as they will misintepret cause and effect, as well as motive and desire.

[Asker]

these guys have very limited social circles, and even more limited observations

[AMS700CX4u2]

Being a man who received no social advice from either parent , (although Mom did train us what fork to use at the dinner table), or sex education from anybody. I will tell you that I have made a lot of mistakes. Social and otherwise. At the ripe old age of 73, I don't understand why the subject is so hush hush. Remember, men, that it is just as awkward for females. Though they do seem to be ahead of us by the time we start to catch on. Not an easy subject, but it tends to work out.

[ProbablyClueless]

Probably not, but you also have to be careful about disregarding advice simply because it comes from someone you wouldn't normally consult.

Someone can be wrong about almost everything in life, but they might be right about one thing, and it would suck to miss out on that piece of wisdom, simply because they have a lot of other dumb things to say.

[Crankor]

a lot of advice could be considered common sense. There are prob some aspects where someone having experience would be beneficial but it's not a requirement. I bet there's plenty of people who have dating experience who also would give very bad advice

[Phoenix98]

I mean it’s kinda like a divorcee giving someone advice on how to have a successful marriage.

they can give the advice and thoughts on the matter just take it with a grain of salt,

[Likes2drive]

Not really, sounds dumb if they don’t experience it to give it

[Asker]

It's basically the blind leading the blind

[Likes2drive]

It’s like , take my advice , I’m not using it😊, lol

[rigmarole]

Anyone can talk about anything. You choose what to listen to, research, and utilize on your own. Why would it matter? What do you believe everything you hear on TV or whatever.

[rigmarole]

As to what someone with no dating experience that has been rejected many times can offer others, I'd say right off the bat they know what doesn't work if they document what they have done and do some self reflection. They have experience at trying shit and failing. They also have a lot of persistence. They are experimented in their own way... Who knows maybe they've even read all those dumb self help books and tried the crap in them. So what they can definitely offer is, don't do this 95% of the time I get this or that reaction. With lots of data you tend to see patterns.

[Asker]

if they know what doesn't work, why they still single after 4 years of cold approaches. why do u assume that they learn from their mistakes?

[Asker]

also, how do u figure getting rejected puts them in a position to give advice on dating? being rejected is NOT the same as going on a date. theyre not even getting calls back, let alone dates

[Asker]

they know nothing about picking up a female on a date, how to date exclusively, how to date multiple women at once, when to back off, when to get closer, what to wear on a date, when to bring a female home, when to kiss a female, how to kiss a female, how to trust a female, how to earn a female's trust, where to take a female, what to buy her for her birthday, how to settle disagreements, what make up sex is, or even what making up is. so how they supposed to give advice on that if females haven't even agreed to go on a date with them? you;d be required to go on dates in order to know these things, and thus give advice

[rigmarole]

Trying something once doesn't tell you if it works or doesn't work. It can easily be an outlier. Trying something thousands of times over a couple years proves that it doesn't work if it consistently fails. So if they repeated the same strategy for several years persistently, they can definitely tell you the strategy doesn't work. I don't know what those two talk about, but I can tell you they could talk about that if say they read a popular dating book, took the concepts to the real world, and repeated an experiment based around it.

[rigmarole]

As to stories of success from people that do actively date successfully, that doesn't really prove anything if they share their advice. If you get into a single relationship for example with a one human and date them for two years, you've learned how that particular human will respond to you personally over time. If another person tries the same thing with even that one human you dated, they may get a completely different response depending on their looks and personality characteristics. If they try it with a bunch of different humans, it might work sometimes and it might fail other times because people have different needs and wants in life. When someone is successful it is anecdotal evidence that hasn't been repeated under controlled circumstances.

[Asker]

try something once. that last time these guys dated was like 5yrs ago

[Asker]

i can see their data being useful if they started getting dates after 1 yr, but 5yrs later, and they are no closer to getting a date than they were 5yrs ago

[Asker]

these guys do get women on social media to add them, but the women just ignore these guys once they added them, and never get a response ever again

[Asker]

i think if you tried all of the above, and have a reasonable set of data, then you can start giving advice but if you;ve only dated one female in 5yrs (which is what these guys do), then as you said, you only know how to interact with that one female and doesn't qualify you to give advice on women in general

[rigmarole]

That's not what I said. I said they could have learned which strategies do not work. You don't have to have a positive confirmation of a hypothesis to learn from information gathered. You can prove a hypothesis false. So say they read the top 10 dating books by various famous dating gurus and have tested out those strategies with various sets of women and all of those strategies failed in practice, then they could tell you all these dating gurus have no clue what they are talking about. These are the kinds of responses we got from thousands of women after trying these strategies... These are the patterns we noticed in groups of women's behavior when we tried these strategies. While some good looking guy might get away with doing this or that, average guys get treated like this or that when we do these things that are recommended by this book or that book. Don't do it, because this is what happens in the real world... You can learn from failure.

That aside According to you, they are successful at getting women to follow them on social media sites. OK, well that's a start. Getting an audience of attention is an element of attraction. That's one step in the process. If they are repeatedly successful at doing that then they know how to do something in the information age where many women are glued to their smart phones, they just don't know how to leverage that attention and turn it into something they want to achieve. So now they need to move onto step 2 to refine their formula.

[Asker]

you can definitely learn from bad experiences, but these guys obviously didn't if they are still empty handed after all these years. even if you watch these guys from the side, you can learn what not to do, but i dont think theyre advice is going to be very useful considering they didn't particularly learn from their mistakes

[rigmarole]

Like I said, I don't know what those particular guys talk about. I'm just pointing out that people that fail at something in particular have a specific level of expertise in that area. Knowing what not to do is often important. I'm not saying they are humble enough to criticize their actions or learn from them and share that knowledge with the world, but they could...

[Anonymous]

I'm surprised they're even getting turned down, they seem like very personable, good looking dudes, however, if they have dated before, they would have some knowledge of what's what, and just cause they supposedly haven't had any luck/success recently, doesn't mean that they don't know what they are talking about.

[Asker]

which one do u like

[Anonymous]

Nope, but obviously single men with no lives are going to be the main ones doing it. Only dumb men listen to single men giving relationship advice.

[Asker]

theyre not just single. remember, theyre actively approaching women, and actively getting turned down. as far as i know, they haven't had girlfriends in over 5yrs

[Asker]

these guys regularly go to bars, and clubs just to look at females. sometimes they ask them out, but it's mostly just looking

[Opinion Owner]

Most are single which is the point. Approaching means jack shit if most approaches don’t end with a yes. Thats just desperate.

[Anonymous]

Yes. Because their advice is just as legitimate as a person who has been in a 100 relationships but cannot sustain one.

Simply put it doesn't take EXPERIENCE to be a good, caring compassionate, empathetic person. And that's 90% of a relationship.

[WhyohWhy69]

No especially if it is destructive to others.

[lightbulb27]

yes if it sells, but listen to them say way you listen to pilots that have never flown an airplane...

[Zestyassmf1997]

Maybe. It really depends on the advice. And someone who’s not in the market can offer us a different point of view.

[Asker]

what about someone who hasn't really dated in 5yrs though

[Zestyassmf1997]

I mean, the way I figure is that advice is either right or wrong. Them not having experience doesn’t immediately make them wrong about everything. Listen to what they have to say, and then decide for yourself if you think the advice is good or not. You know?

[Sonorous]

I've always given good dating advice & I've never been in a relationship.

[HelpfulWoman]

Starting to get creepy how fixated on these men you are

[HouseMoat]

It's like saying "virgins" shouldn't be giving sex advice

[justaskit24]

lol no because what experience are you drawing from 😂

[CozyCoffin]

Why not? They can provide another prospective. It's not like someone that isn't a doctor providing medical advice.

[Ms_Facesitter]

Yes, because I have seen some of them be more reasonable than some taken ones.

[Anonymous]

People with NO experience shouldn't give advice on ANYTHING!!

[Jmmmfi4]

NO... THATS WHY I DON'T ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS ON HERE

[ienjoylookingatgreen]

No what kind of question is that