It seems to be a problem for men if you are not flirty. Am I right?

It seems to be a problem for men if you are not flirty. Am I right?

Putting words together is a skill that's less natural to men than displaying acts of heroism. Like, I'd sooner fall @on_my_knees and kiss feet than do the verbal equivalent as if words speak louder than actions. #heroic
Yes and no. Unfortunately it seems if a woman is genuinely nice toward a man, it CAN absolutely be taken as flirtatious behaviour. I never understood why some women are so harsh toward men, dismissive or ignorant choosing to ignore someone who is showing an interest. I choose to be polite and treat each person how I'd like to be treated myself, and YES, my friendliness, and politeness HAS been perceived as flirty behaviour, but that is when I ensure to correct and inform I appreciate the interest, but I am not seeking anything right now.
As for actual discussions, I find a male perspective helps me to understand things in a different way. When someone takes time to engage in a conversation with me, I do my best to give them my attention and provide feedback regarding any questions or topics they are looking to chat about. I do not find men are terrible at talking to women. I have personally had more in depth, serious conversations with male friends and colleagues than I have with women friends of mine!
Men can be very awkward, uncomfortable, just like women can be, and communication can certainly be challenging for some, but ultimately i have no issues chatting and carrying a conversation with men. :) They seem to enjoy speaking with me too!
The problem is.. 2 people can read what you've typed and come away thinking 2 very different things.. If you look at my post up there.. I said. I talk to women but with no motive.. just I enjoy chatting, ... The other side of the coin however.. I need not spell it out as you can probably guess!
@SallyTho87 see i told you miss sally, you're a nice wonderful lady 😌
Personally i never approach a girl to show her interest, like why would i? In my age i guess some women must be ready to make their 1st step towards me and if they tell me that they aren't interested than to my a*s i'll tell them 🤣🤣 they better turn around and leave immediatly and don't tolerate this childish behavior, if you don't carry something wonderful and exciting for me than don't approach me!
Now some girls might ask: who in the hell do you think you are? Brad pitt, richard gear? Nope ladies, i'm just an ordinary guy who is big and overweight, maybe my face is somewhat nice looking and i'm down to earth, i have no bugatti no piles of cash bo mansions... etc i have myself and some humble things that's all 😌
Depends on lots of factors. Some people are just socially awkward. They just aren't good at socializing at all. Most of the time it's because they're more likely to be at home online all the time because they're not comfortable being social but won't get comfortable ever unless they go out and socialize. It becomes a vicious cycle.
Most of us learned how to socialize with our own genders and others in school. Then a second bite at the apple at college. Some people even pick it up later at work.
I think there being an issue between the genders being able to talk to each other properly comes from not fully understanding each other. We both think we know about the other but it shows we don't really when it comes to talking to each other. Just a bunch of assumptions made really. Now that's not everyone. Some men really do know how to talk to women and are very successful. They're the ones who have had close friends that are women or were close to their sisters growing up. They have experience around women.
For me it was easy to talk to girls of all ages when I was growing up because most of my friends had sisters. The only problem was, the younger ones were always after me, and the older ones were never interested in me..:))
Did you learn anything about them at the time though? What they like? What they don't like? How they view things? What they like in guys?
I did yes. With the older girls, even though I fancied them I knew they weren't interested in me, but I use to ask them questions and they were always very open with me. When I was 13/14ish I was very grown up for my age. I can remember my friends saying to me COME ON we're playing football outside, and I would be inside talking. I was never that sporty as a kid. That came later.
It's good that you spent time getting to know them. You already have a leg up on guys who don't have friends that are women or don't want to know anything about women.
I was taught as a very young age though to be social around people. My parents when they invited friends round let me stay up if it wasn't a school night. I remember being fascinated by the conversations and stories..
It also helped I wasn't one of those bratty kids you see scream and shout if they don't get their own way, so everyone had time for me. I think that makes a huge difference too.
You definitely have a leg up if you're more social.
I meant to say 'sociable' but ah what the heck. It's not like I'm back in English Class lol
I'm tempted to say Yes, but I don't feel I have enough information to make a call on that.
Two examples I can think of are men who see women as a conquest, as a special branch of humanity that only exists for sex as their end goal. Whether they are good at sweet talking, or send dirty messages to everyone they perceive as a woman, is irrelevant. I consider them to be bad at talking to women, since they do not listen to or understand them. For them, it is surface level conversation with an ulterior motive. They do not see them as equals.
Then there's introverts and shy guys, who are bad in a different way. They could have low self confidence, little practice talking to women, or straight self sabotage themselves to get out of an awkward conversation. I feel they do not mean women any ill will, but they see them as slightly above themselves, or even more than that. Like going to an important interview unprepared; having no game. When it comes time to talk to one, they do not know what to say, and end up coming across as aloof or boring. I somewhat fall into this category myself.
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MOST? No. But many are awkward till they warm up to you, especially if you’re mid- to highly-attractive (or if they feel some level of intimidation about approaching you in a particular situation).
Why is that miss dish? 🤔
@TonyMetal___86 Who can say? Every fellow is a little different...
For he's a jolly good fellow, which nobody can deny
Sing along miss dish 🤣🤣
Not most but some are, I have a friend that’s male model material but he’s really crap and flirting and chatting with girls, he tends to talk at them rather than with them, his timing sucks big time, he’s about as flirtatious as a tortoise.
I grew up among girls, either my brothers girlfriends or my sisters girl friends or at school our group was a mix of guys n girls.
You can people watch at a pub and or club and see a male pinball bouncing around the bar trying to talk to girls, we watched one guy walk around a club for about an hour, he was dire.
Then you have some skinny small guy with the total gift of the gob and can talk a girl out of her knickers.
Yes, most men are bad at talking to women. There's no question about it, and let me explain to you why that is. I'll try not to get too political about it, but a lot of men come from rough childhoods where they're sometimes treated to unfavorly women/girls who either mistreated them as children, or made them believe they would never be able to be in their "league" (please bear in mind that having a rough childhood does not always mean a childhood with abusive parents).
As a result, some of these boys when they grow up usually turn into two types of men; they become abusive partners/parents themselves, or they become totally distant to the opposite sex and socially awkward, believing that they'll never be good enough to be desirable to the opposite sex, so what's the point in trying if you'll be shot down anyways?
I wouldn't phrase it that way. Women have this insane habit of assuming that what is said and what is meant are two different things... where every communicative exchange is like an insanely complicated tangle of hidden meanings and trickery.
Conversely, men are usually more straightforward when talking to each other. Men attempting to talk to women generally know at some level that what they're saying is not going to get across because the female mind sends everything through a mad-libs filter... and how they deal with that differs from one guy to the next.
This is why 90% of my advice to women on this site for every conceivable social tangle with men is "USE YOUR WORDS".
Men are still very much deficient in general. They couldn't improve themselves on any subject. The reasons for wanting flirty women are also due to the reasons for wanting to make things easier. I recommend that they be more full, full, adult and mature. While they are in this shallow, corrupt, simple, primitive profile, life is not at all retractable, attractive, pleasant and eccentric for women.
Men are afraid of talking to women because feminism has ruined it for feminine women.
Harrison Butker of the Kansas City Chiefs just got raked over the coals because he made a comment that college women are looking forward to getting married and having kids.
So now, any young men that follow football, will be afraid to ask a woman if she intends on having a family someday because a few women made it even worse. So both men and women suffer because of feminism.
Sure, but I think a lot of it has to do with lack of experience and whether you two have chemistry. Also, it just depends on the setting and how both of our days went.
Some girls I amazing at talking to or just people in general and laugh more, whereas others it is the complete opposite. Chemistry is the biggest component though.
I would say many are not sure if most. The reasons are multiple one is because they are shy and simple can't talk to people. A more important is reason is though that many guys are afraid to mess it up since for many guys going on a date is like going into a job interview.
In times where one has to be sensitive and careful what you say to whom, flirting seems like a risk many guys are not willing to take.
In the past yes or maybe but now i talk to women the same way i talk to men, no special treatment, not being shy or anything, i just say what i want to say wether they like me or not!
Till now the majority of women adores spending time with and telling me their life stories, don't even know why 🤣🤣
I'm just a real man, i don't think that i'm special or anything!
No but women are entitled, spoiled, and have insane expectations which 99% of us can’t meet. If we say or do even one thing out of your acceptable requirements, you will lose interest. So we have to walk the mine field of shit tests and check boxes to stay in your interest radar. Hell, Women will lose interest if a guy doesn’t meet her height requirements, social standard, financial expectations, etc.
We are not the problem, women being too sensitive and whining about sexism is the problem. You have to literally walk on egg shells with women these days and be woke enough with what you say to them.
Right on the mark 💯🎯
Most? Thankfully I would say no. But it does take 2 to tango. A conversation is a 2 way street.
No man I know has any issues with it, and I talk to men 7 days a week. I don't think sites like this are a good way to measure men's communication skills.
I've never had a problem speaking to women, but then I have no ulterior motive when I do..
I am not the world's best conversationalist.
After I'm done with what I did on my summer vacation I'm pretty much done, unless it is fire stuff, vintage cars, motorcycles or racing.
Porn, social media, feminism, and a few other factors that I’m more than happy to elaborate on but I’ll keep it short with the reasons men are bad at talking to women.
I don’t think it’s so much that men are bad at talking to women. I think it’s more so that women make it difficult for men to talk to them.
yeah.
But that naturally happens when boys are inexperienced with girls and don't know how to talk to them womens.
Some dating advices from the boys made me wish i didn't ask them.
I'll CERTAINLY buy that.
Of course we are. We must relate to girls differently than to other boys, which can drive even allegedly confident men batty.
That only happens to men who try to force chemistry and conversation.
In my life I have learned you can't force conversations, either the chemistry is there or its not.
I just find a woman I naturally click with.
If that seems to be a problem for you, then you are the one that is bad at communicating.
I can talk for hours to anyone. Man or woman. Never had that problem.
was terrible until I learned about myself, learned about women, and let go of fears.
I don’t think women realize how much of a trial and error process over a lifetime it takes to get good at talking to women. That guy you think is perfect with women now was at one point clueless and getting rejected like every other guy.
and humour in men is also now a necessity for women
Not really but are women bad that understanding men? Because a lot of them also seem to not understand that men don't talk as much.
As a woman are over 50% of the conversations you have with males bad?
Who the fuck talks to women? Maybe women but they are retarded.
Nah most women want men to talk to them in in a way that only validate their unstable emotions
Nah I don't think so
Not the older men
Likely why I'm where I'm - single hahahaha 😜😂
I don't have any problem talking to women
Not sure I’d say most, but yeah, a lot.
okgasokgasogasagokgosk yes, really suck
Very much so
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