What's a deal breaker in a relationship for you?

[chocolatetwopointo]

[Summeroflove]

Well cheating is obviously a dealbreaker, abusive behavior is another dealbreaker, entitlement is definitely a dealbreaker while I want someone to be honest about what she’s looking for (I’m honest too) I don’t want someone whose feeling entitled and demanding, if it’s not meant to be then neither one of us has to waste our time with one another but I someone feels as if I owe them something that pisses me off. Especially if it’s one sided.

One sidedness is another thing I refuse to put up with.

[SueShe]

A relationship itself is a deal breaker for me.

I don't have the need or urge to be in a relationship because I have prioritized my life in such a way that my energy and time is devoted to something much more important than a relationship.

I am aware that in my age group, those interested in being in a relationship primarily want the sexual part of it and not that much all the other things that are involved in a relationship. I am not interested in the fornicating part of a relationship and thus, to me being in a relationship brings strictly nothing in terms of intellectual advancement.

[Anonymous]

When he’s not interested. Doesn’t care for me.

When he doesn’t have good intentions. Doesn’t value or have an appreciation. Respect for me.

If he views me as inferior to him. Or anyone else. If he’s ever abusive or aggressive.

[Anonymous]

Cheating

Doing anything else that could be seen as unfaithful

Drug use

Alcohol abuse

Smoking

Animal cruelty (I have cats)

If she is a feminist, a leftist, a democrat

If she supports mutilating children to change their gender

If she believes there are more than two genders

If she has no relationship, or a bad relationship with her father that isn't his fault

If she hates men, or believes all men are bad.

If she chooses the bear.

[Opinion Owner]

If she has ever at any point done sex work of any kind.

[Opinion Owner]

If her body count is higher than mine. (including my wife it's 7)

[Miristheiss]

When I was single, drug use, promiscuity, any sex work, close guy friends and/or keeping close with exes, obsessed with social media and posting herself all the time to public accounts, travels for her job, more career oriented instead of wanting a family, wanting to wait until she's 27 to 30 to settle down, has ever cheated ever, tattoos and piercings, immodest, expecting to go clubbing and acting single even when taken.

[Sugar100]

Someone that don’t want meet family, or hides you from family friends, someone that denies spend holidays with you. Someone that prefers be with friends instead of you. Someone that Meets u only 1-2x a month. Someone they don’t want to cuddle or hold your hand. Someone that denies go on fun vacay trip with you and denies take pics with u.

[RingOfFire]

• She's a feminist.
• She's a Democrat.
• She's posting half naked pictures of herself on the Internet.
• Her self esteem is so low that she constantly thinks that every minor criticism is an insult and gets overly defensive.
• She's after money.
• She's manipulative and/or dishonest.
• She's passive aggressive.
• She doesn't like my dog or he doesn't like her.

[Anonymous]

• Tattoos, especially prominent ones
• Nose or tongue piercings
• Promiscuity or cheating in the past
• Woke and/or feminist views
• Smoking
• Excessive partying
• Unhealthy views of men or relationships

[chocolatetwopointo]

so she has to be sexist and traditional?

[Opinion Owner]

Yes, more traditionally minded than many women are today. "Modern women" do not offer enough to a man for him to justify taking on the risk that modern marriage poses for men.

How is not having unhealthy views of men and relationships "sexist"?

[chocolatetwopointo]

” woke/feminist views” meaning u want a sexist girl with sexist views. what do men have to risk in marriages?

[Opinion Owner]

It's feminists who are sexist today. Being against that is the opposite of sexism.

What do men have to risk in marriage? Is that a serious question?

[chocolatetwopointo]

feminists want equality, anything else is sexism. yes answer the question, can u?

[Opinion Owner]

That's a lie. Feminists CLAIM they want equality, but their actions clearly show otherwise. They hide behind the word equality while advocating only for women's interests, and often at the expense of men's. Actions speak louder than words, and the actions of the feminist movement over the last decade have been despicable. Sorry, but you don't get to claim responsibility only for what you view to be the positive aspects of feminism and disavow all the negative ones. It doesn't work that way. You have to evaluate the good with the bad. Otherwise you're just being dishonest with yourself and everyone else. If you support feminism, you are supporting both the good and the bad, period.

Half of marriages end in divorce, women file 80% of them, and men get screwed in divorce court and child custody. Studies consistently show that lack of commitment is the #1 reason for divorce, and women file the vast majority of them. That's a very poor reflection on women. Look at the divorce rates among heterosexual, gay and lesbian couples around the world. The rate among gay couples is the lowest, and the rate among lesbian couples is the highest, by far. In other words, the more women in a marriage, the higher the likelihood it will end in divorce.

So yeah, marriage today is far more risky for men than in the past. Women are destroying the institution of marriage. It will be a thing of the past in another generation or two unless there are some drastic changes, and I don't see that happening. Today's women don't have the character or honesty to acknowledge the problem they have created and try to change themselves for the better, and we are all paying the price for that.

[chocolatetwopointo]

if u want ur marriage to be good, then dont be a shitty husband? and u wanna know why its higher now? bc now women CAN file for divorces, women couldnt back then. feminism is for equality, whatever u hear that is different is wrong and ignore it

[Opinion Owner]

You're a typical dishonest feminist. Today's feminism has nothing to do with equality. And the bad players within the movement ARE feminists whether you have the honesty to acknowledge it or not.

Explain to me why the divorce rate is so much higher among lesbian couples. You conveniently ignored that part. I'm sure it annoys the hell out of you that you can't blame men for that like you as a feminist do with everything else.

You're an example of the fact that women, and especially feminists, are incapable of taking accountability for their shit.

[chocolatetwopointo]

omfg, feminism is about equality if someone doesn't stand for equality it means they’re sexist.

[Opinion Owner]

That's like saying an avocado with a rotten spot is not an avocado. Use your brain and get some honesty.

Like I said, feminists claim to be about equality but their actions clearly show otherwise. Feminists talk the talk but don't walk the walk. If / when feminism changes its colors and starts actually seeking genuine equality and stops mongering hatred for males, I will gladly support it. But until then, anyone who supports modern feminism is a shit person.

[chocolatetwopointo]

omfg it hurts to know how many people gen act like this irl.. now what feminists r u talking ab?

[Opinion Owner]

All the feminists I've ever had an in-depth conversation with about gender issues. They always start out cool but as the discussion gets more specific and I start asking them the difficult questions about what equality actually looks like, they always lose their shit and show their true feminist colors.

So, tell me what equality looks like to you. Let's start with reproductive rights. What does true equality between men and women mean to YOU in the context of reproductive rights? Again, please be very specific. The devil is always in the details.

[Opinion Owner]

Nothing?

[chocolatetwopointo]

true feminist = wanting equality hope this helps. and wdym equality in the context of reproductive rights?

[Opinion Owner]

I mean issues like the choice of whether to abort, financial responsibility, and whether a man has a right to know he got a woman pregnant or even has a child in the world.

[chocolatetwopointo]

ok so personally i think you should b able to get an abortion, no matter the case, and if the parents aren't together and have a kid i think the one who doesn't have the kid at all should pay child support, other than that its usually not needed, i also think a man has the right to know he got a woman pregnant, but its all up to the woman if she wants to tell him or not and i can't control what other women do

[Opinion Owner]

So, you think women should have the choice of whether or not they want to be a parent, but men should not. Where is the "equality" in that?

And you think a woman should have the right to not tell the father he has a child? How is it fair that a man can have a son or daughter and not even be made aware? Where is the "equality" in that?

Feminism is not about equality. It's about protecting women's interests at the expense of men's

And feminism is about attitudes toward men that compel feminists to say things like "men are genuinely disgusting". I see your question got deleted, as it should have, but not before you showed your true feminist colors. As I said before, every feminist I've ever had a conversation with about gender issues ultimately showed her true colors, and you're no different.

[chocolatetwopointo]

a man can leave an pay child support, i think bearing a child and giving birth to it is worse, than paying for ur child once a month. what? i literally said men should have a right to know? but as i said i can't control other women and their descision, there's no law on it unless they want child support. omgg ur so retarded it hurts tbh, feminism is about getting women higher on the pedistal that men already are at. when did i say i was a feminist? and if i did im wrong bc im not a feminist💀

[chocolatetwopointo]

please grow up, its for ur own best
feminism = equality, not that hard to understand

[Opinion Owner]

Feminism = "men are disgusting" (your words) You are clearly a feminist based on your hateful attitudes toward men. "Women" like you are the ones who are disgusting.

You're 19 years old, young and dumb with the maturity and intellect of a cocker spaniel. But hey, on the bright side, you still have some time to grow up and pull your head out of your ass. I hope you do, because the world needs more good women, much better than you.

[chocolatetwopointo]

omfg feminism = equality. if anyone has told u otherwise they’re lying why is that so hard for u to understand? hating men = misandrist. omfg says the one who doesn't know what feminism is💀

[Opinion Owner]

Feminism is as feminism does, and the actions of feminists clearly show it has nothing to do with equality.

[chocolatetwopointo]

omfg if they dont do shit for eqality then they are not feminists!! what is it that u dont understand? if they say they are feminist but dont stand for equality then they’re fucking lying, ur the reason i hate men tbh

[Opinion Owner]

You are a classic example of the dishonesty of modern feminists, and of why men hate feminism today. If feminism was ACTUALY about equality, men would support it. But it's not, so we don't.

Grow up and ger some fucking honesty.

[chocolatetwopointo]

omfg why are men so fucking brain dead😭 pls google what feminism is.

[Opinion Owner]

"omfg why are men so fucking brain dead"

Thanks for showing your true colors so others can see what feminists actually think about men.

[chocolatetwopointo]

who said im a feminist?💀

[Opinion Owner]

Whether you want to call yourself a feminist or not, you are one. You've made that clear through the attitudes you've expressed here and in other questions.

[chocolatetwopointo]

feminism = equality, js saying

[Opinion Owner]

Nope. It used to, but it hasn't for decades. Modern feminism = toxicity, sexism and division.

[chocolatetwopointo]

says who?

[chocolatetwopointo]

id love to see ur source on when that became official tbh

[Opinion Owner]

There has never been anything "official" about feminism because it is defined by the actions of it's adherents.

[chocolatetwopointo]

if u google feminism it’ll say its ab equality tho? if it was true i think it’d be changed..

[Opinion Owner]

Tell me, what is the official definition of MGTOW.

[chocolatetwopointo]

what is that?

[Opinion Owner]

It is the male equivalent of modern feminism.

[chocolatetwopointo]

what?💀

[Opinion Owner]

If you really don't know what it is, and I suspect you do, just Google it. It is precisely what today's feminism is, except it is men rather than women.

[chocolatetwopointo]

y'all males r fucking weird, like fym male equivalent of modern feminism thats so stupid

[chocolatetwopointo]

i googled it and it said its an inti feminism and misogynistic movement💀 y'all need to grow tf up

[Opinion Owner]

No, the official definition is "men going their own way". Nothing more, nothing less.

We both know that's bullshit because the actions of MGTOWs show they are a bunch of sexist,, victim-minded whiners... just like feminists. Saying feminism is just what the official definition says is just as dishonest as saying MGTOW is just men going their own way.

[chocolatetwopointo]

i also googled feminism and it says highlighted in blue, ”All genders having equal rights and opportunities”

[Opinion Owner]

Again, the official definitions of feminism and MGTOW bear no resemblance to what the groups actually do. Feminism is as feminism does.

[chocolatetwopointo]

ok so r we done now?

[Opinion Owner]

If you have no valid arguments, then yes, we are done.

[chocolatetwopointo]

i do tho, im js tired of arguing with a guy who doesn't know what feminism is at his big age

[Opinion Owner]

If you do, then share them. Why haven't you done so yet? Go on, I'll wait...

[chocolatetwopointo]

i have shared them, and tbh rn im not sure wtf ur on ab, all im saying is feminism is and has always been the same, people who act sexist and say they’re feminists, are not feminists

[Aiko_E_Lara]

"omfg why are men so fucking brain dead pls google what feminism is." One does not need to know what feminism is in theory when we can see it in practice. Just like how you call men braindead, that's generalizing and you don't consider that sexist for whatever reason. Way to prove what actual feminism really is.

Another thing would be, you can google the meaning of communism. You'll just notice nothing in there says that they torture anyone who speaks against the government. Because that's what they do in practice. They don't put that in the dictionary like feminists do.

[chocolatetwopointo]

literally who said im a feminist😭 god men like u r retarded

[Opinion Owner]

@Aiko_E_Lara Well said. You are of course correct. It is typical of today's feminists to claim that any time a feminist does something bad, it means she's not a feminist, which is incredibly dishonest.

Dishonesty is the hallmark of modern feminism. Anyone who supports feminism today has to exhibit that dishonesty to justify their support, which of course is a bad thing. That means every feminist today is not a real feminist. How dumb is that?

[chocolatetwopointo]

omfg do i really have to explain this AGAIN? feminism = equality, anything other than that is sexism. im not gonna fucking tell ur retarded ass again

[Opinion Owner]

Good, you shouldn't keep repeating the same lie over and over again anyway. Please just stop. Go get some honesty and educate yourself.

[chocolatetwopointo]

ok so google feminism and you’ll see who’s right, i dare ur lazy ass

[Opinion Owner]

I just did, and this is what I found. Google doesn't lie, right?

www.mhsmarquee.com/.../

concernedwomen.org/.../

digitalcommons.liberty.edu/.../viewcontent.cgi

[chocolatetwopointo]

yeah, and now actually google ”what is feminism?”

[chocolatetwopointo]

crazy i have to spell it out for u💀

[Opinion Owner]

That just returns an AI generated answer, which is pointless on a subject like what feminism actually is. The experiences and opinions of real people, and the actions of real feminists, are what matter in the real world. It's the actions of feminists that define what feminism actually is, just like as Aiko_E_Lara said, it's the actions of communist governments that define what communism actually is. Every communist government in history has done bad things. Does that mean it's not real communism? Nope, it's means communism is a bad system, just like today's feminism is a bad ideology. Actions are what matter, not AI generated messages.

[chocolatetwopointo]

ah the excuses💀 real feminists want equality, anything else is sexism, not that hard to comprehend tbh, and the actions of actual feminists are good things unlike sexists

[Aiko_E_Lara]

@chocolatetwopointo Then if you're not a feminist then why are you even trying so hard to defend it? I you're way to "try hard" for someone who claims to be not a feminist. Just imagine if you claim you're not a rapist and yet there you are supporting them with all you got. You think that's not any better?

[Opinion Owner]

What is equality?

[chocolatetwopointo]

bc y'all can't comprehend what it actually is, i js hate men tbh but still agree with feminism, now he's comparing RAPISTS to feminists💀 thats crazy

[chocolatetwopointo]

equality is having the same options and rights no matter ur gender

[Aiko_E_Lara]

And again, you can google the meaning of communism. You'll just notice nothing in there says that they torture anyone who speaks against the government. Because that's what they do in practice. They don't put that in the dictionary like feminists do.

And you know what? As i've googled the meaning of equality too along with feminism, it never said they're synonymous. So yeah they're not about equality after all since it's not in equality's synonyms lists. However tho, egalitarianism is but a lot of feminists just don't call themselves that. Instead, they're more busy defending the label more than equality by itself.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

That was just an example but you see, you'd rather purposely misconstrue it just to give yourself an excuse to be butthurt. And here I thought you wanted to be a lawyer. Lol good luck defending your clients.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

equality is having the same options and rights no matter ur gender <--- Exactly that's what equality means not feminism

[chocolatetwopointo]

have u met anyone who says they’re a feminist when they’re not? why would feminism and equality b synonyms, then from what ur saying torture and communism should be synonyms but they’re not

[chocolatetwopointo]

oh my fucking god. feminism stands for equality, google it and you’ll see the exact same thing. wdym purposely misconstrue?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Yes I've met a bunch of morons like you who claims they're feminists.

"then from what ur saying torture and communism should be synonyms but they’re not" <--- and feminism is not really synonymous to equality. But still people can see it in practice which is exactly why youtube videos debunking feminism have more views and votes than videos about supporting feminism itself. And it can't be biased since youtube is a media that's for all genders

[chocolatetwopointo]

omfg u can't argue for shit and that shows💀 im so fucking tired rn but keep thinking everyone is sexist if u want, im js trying to help u understand but u obvi dont want to, men r useless nowadays fr

[Aiko_E_Lara]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guuPHxg4XXc Just like a bunch of morons who keeps repeating thesame arguments here like all your arguments debunked.

[chocolatetwopointo]

ok do what u want i dont fucking care anymore, its like talking to a brick wall

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Anyone disagreeing with you, they're braindead. That's pretty much all your arguments. But really, if the world is braindead, who exactly is forcing you to live in society?

And that's right, you're just looking for excuses to run away from this thread because you're just losing credibility

[chocolatetwopointo]

ok u do u, as i said its like talking to a brick wall, and i have this thing called a life, yk what that is?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Maybe your head is made of bricks. Rock solid really and nothing's in there. Also, you sure claim to be someone who has a "life" for someone having problems with the world.

[Opinion Owner]

At least you have the honesty to admit you hate men. You're here arguing that feminism is just about equality, and yet you support feminism and hate men. You are a typical feminist, and you're exactly why men know what feminism really is. We see it all around us every day... feminists like you openly hating half the population. Feminism = misandry.

[chocolatetwopointo]

as i said, i am not a feminist, as I've said like 5 times now

[Opinion Owner]

Of course you're a feminist, you just can't admit it because you're already made it clear you hate men. What a fucking joke.

[chocolatetwopointo]

hating men means im a misandrist?💀 men r so stupid it kinda hurts tbh

[Opinion Owner]

Yep, and modern feminism = misandry. You are a great example of that fact.

[chocolatetwopointo]

modern feminism isn't a thing, feminism is and has always been about equality unless u have proof it has changed and one woman who said she's a feminist while being sexist does not equal feminism by the way

[chocolatetwopointo]

and once again, im a misandrist. MISANDRIST meaning i hate men

[Opinion Owner]

Well you as a feminist have more honesty than all the others who won't admit they hate men.

Look, you're here defending feminism, which makes you a feminist. And you also openly acknowledge you hate men. You are a typical feminism who represents what feminism has become today. Grow the fuck up.

[chocolatetwopointo]

once again, im not a feminist, im explaining what feminism is to you. omfg feminism = equality misandrist = hating men

[chocolatetwopointo]

ur literally a grown fucking adult and doesn't even know what feminism or what a misandrist is, PLEASE get educated on the subject before u start spreading bs, and im fucking done with ur brain dead bullshit im literally talking to a wall rn so byebye

[Aiko_E_Lara]

And here I thought you are going with brick wall. Also I love how you don't claim that modern feminists don't exist while they're also many other feminist saying that modern feminists exist while they consider themselves to be classical feminists in defense of feminism thinking they should still be relevant today. It just really seems like you feminists don't really agree on what feminism should be but the all share the same notion thinking that there is a patriarchy that puts disadvantage on women which is why feminism should happen.

Also you have been saying feminism is about equality multiple times without any real argument and here I thought we are the brick walls when they're literally many other sources debunking that we have presented to you. But you don't really hate men, you just hate yourself for being brainded and salty with the fact that there are many men smarter than you.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Sure feminism and misandry can still be different because feminism is an indirect misandry while misandry just simply misandry. But it's ironic also that you're confusing equality for feminism when they are both different words.

So if you're logic is misandry is misandry while feminism is feminism, therefore equality should just be equality not feminism.

[chocolatetwopointo]

OH MY FUCKING GOD WHY IS IT SO HARD FOR U TO UNDERSTAND😭😭 god ur the reason i hate men. Feminism = www.humanrightscareers.com/.../
misandry = https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misandry unless u can prove that those two terms means smth else we’re done

[Aiko_E_Lara]

https://youtu.be/guuPHxg4XXc?si=ZzPwU4UC6Q7E3bK9 for the same reason why it's also hard for your to understand this. That's why I have told you your feminism theory don't really matter when we can see it in practice. You may not call yourself a feminist but there are still many feminists who behaves the same way you do. And good for you because of course no men needs you anyways. And what are you going to do? You going to start a war? Good luck with that

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Also it just seems like you are just claiming to be a misandrist to cover up for feminism because you secretly just are. I mean it's not secretly because it's written all over your face.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Also feminism is just a word that is just created in the 21st century and not even a word that people had been using since ancient times that involved into words that we use today in an almost daily basis but rather a political view. With that being said that's not really a word but just more of a political agena.

[chocolatetwopointo]

if they act like me and say they’re feminists, THEY ARE NOT FEMINISTS omfg im so done with u, ur not even trying to understand, you’ll never make it in life if u keep denying facts u braindead retard

[Opinion Owner]

"The nuclear family must be destroyed... Whatever its ultimate meaning, the break-up of families now is an objectively revolutionary process."

"I feel that 'man-hating' is an honorable and viable political act."

"I haven't the faintest notion what possible revolutionary role white hetero- sexual men could fulfill, since they are the very embodiment of reactionary- vested-interest-power. But then, I have great difficulty examining what men in general could possibly do about all this. In addition to doing the shitwork that women have been doing for generations, possibly not exist? No, I really don't mean that. Yes, I really do."

"We can't destroy the inequities between men and women until we destroy marriage."

The above quotes were all made by feminists. They called themselves feminists, and everyone else did too. Because the WERE feminists. Saying they weren't feminists just because they did bad things is absurd.

Were the policemen in the below video not policemen? Of course they were. They were policemen who abused their positions as policemen to do bad things. Can you image what the reactions would be if the police department said "those men are obviously not policemen because they beat a man, and police don't beat people, so we don't take any responsibility or accountability for their actions". But that's exactly what feminists like you do regarding other feminists who do bad shit... just dismiss them as not feminists so feminism doesn't have to take any responsibility or accountability for all the bad shit feminists do. What a fucking joke.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbYjM_p0jgw

[chocolatetwopointo]

what has this generation of men become🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

[Opinion Owner]

Anti-feminist, and for good reason.

[chocolatetwopointo]

🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

[Matt_M]

Emotional manipulation and passive-aggressiveness are big ones for me. If someone habitually resorts to the silent treatment or saying "I'm fine" when they're clearly not fine, that's a huge deal-breaker for me. Likewise, if someone tries to convince me that I'm responsible for all their personal baggage and refuses to take ownership of their role in creating their own problems, that too is a huge deal-breaker.

[Maybe_Maybe_not]

I'll look into that when presented with a deal breaker, compromise and sacrifice are hard to judge without any context to relate to

[DextroShade]

I have a list:

• Single mom
• Any history of sex work
• Still in any contact with dudes who have smashed her
• Feminist
• Has hoe friends
• Goes out to bars and clubs
• Tattoos or piercings

[ProbablyClueless]

Any kind of immaturity, vague hostility, general combativeness.

[GoodGuyBreakingBad]

When the woman lacks communication.

[llorando]

Not being a Roy Orbison fan. Being a Roy Orbison is one thing we must have in common, and I'm not willing to compromise.

[paledreams]

Would be: Has a problem with condoms ♀️ that's a bid deal to me

[paledreams]

*big lol

[Anonymous]

Finding out what planet someone is really on with you.

[Staximus]

Lying, cheating, stealing from me, hard drugs, libtard snowflakes

[LiamJHayden]

Besides the obvious "cheating?" Being a drama queen.

[Anonymous]

Pretty much just cheating, maybe extreme weight gain too

[shattered420]

Lying, I don't best to be as open minded as possible so no one feels they have to hide or be ashamed of who they are.

[Anonymous]

she's talking to other guys and thinks its normal.

[susie22]

Smoking/vaping

[Finchie40]

Cheating and liars

[DrPepper12]

If she used to be a dude...

[Tanntoned]

Love it!

[msc545]

Cheating is the major deal breaker...

[noohair]

Girls liike you. Too much hate.

[chocolatetwopointo]

wdym too much hate?

[admles]

Cheating

Smoking

Snooping

[CVNT5]

ghosting you and rubbing up to other guys.

[tpskchats]

Communication still incl with exes

[ManInChains]

Cheating and Sex

[Slim57]

Cheating for the most part

[Agape93]

Controlling behavior

[periodictaco]

Cheating

[paledreams]

That's fair 😃

[exitseven]

She is a liar.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Feminists

[chocolatetwopointo]

why?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Because I support equality.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Also if she keeps talking about her ex and comparing me to other guys

[chocolatetwopointo]

feminism stands for equality u retard💀

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Then it wouldn't be called feminism as it is clearly in the name itself. Don't you realize that equality and feminism are two different words? Because if you like to confuse them both, I can easily just claim masculinism is about equality

[chocolatetwopointo]

well bc if we want equality we need to get women higher up, its like pedistals, men r the highest, and we’re trying to get women up there too, feminism means equality between the two genders

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Then that means you're only ignoring the downsides of being men and the issues they are facing. You only like the look at those CEOs and leaders but you like to ignore what they have to go through to get to that position and there are way more men who are up the bottom of the hierarchy trying to reach that position and a lot do fail ending up becoming homeless with no societal support. If you support equality then what's with that victim mentality?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

I mean your victim mentality for only one side. You see this is why action speaks louder than words. You just want women to be higher and give them more privileges. That's not equality but just women empowerment.

[chocolatetwopointo]

you do realise that men also have to do smth when it comes to eqality right? women aren't gonna do everything for u, matter of fact I've only ever seen a woman advocate for mens rights but no man for mens rights. i doubt women will ever have more privileges than men

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Also they don't magically just become higher up in the pedestal just because they are men. If that's the case then every man would've been rich, powerful and be leaders.

Actually we don't go pratting about our rights like you women but we do try to do something about it. And if you really believe that you women are doing anything about it then where's the progress? It is only the fact that men are fighting for it because they're risking their lives and willing to become homeless just for the sake of getting powerful just proves it. Also because we don't jump to conclusion that because we are men that's why we face discriminations unlike feminists.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Also if feminism is about equality then feminists should equally believe that men and women are equally privileged because that's basically equality. But you're proving the opposite otherwise.

[chocolatetwopointo]

nope, most of the time men r js seen as higher up bc they always has been seen that way.
Hows that going for u? has anything changed from when u started doing amth ab mens problems? the progress is that around 100 years ago women couldnt vote, many couldnt work, were forced to be housewives and couldnt leave their husbands. how are men fighting for it?💀💀 what discriminations do men face?

[chocolatetwopointo]

feminism WANTS the genders to be equal we dont alr think we are equal bc we’re not

[Aiko_E_Lara]

That is something called societal pressure that men have to face that you women don't really have to. You can pressure yourself to do whatever you want but you're not really forced to do it like what men face for more than hundreds of years even if they didn't want to do it. It is only now that women are being able to drive and vote now that the system is stable and cars are easier to drive. Also you don't realize that men fighting in revolutionary wars are indeed sufferagists fighting for their rights and you seem to be so ignorant about it. What discriminations you say? Pretty much all the discriminations you can think of. Except we don't just whine about it like femimists do. Those men who are at the bottom are pretty much discriminated and you also seem to be so ignorant about that for someone who claims to be supporting equality for both genders.

[chocolatetwopointo]

well i mean, its men’s fault💀 and women have rlyy high standards too, always have to be perfect and stuff js so a guy can like them. god u men whine a lot, why dont u do smth ab it then? why isn't there a ”men’s rights” movement?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Men facing those issues is not even only for hundreds years but millenniums. You just like to ignore the fact that men and women are both built differently and both have their own pros and cons. If you really want women to be treated like men, you can start by pressuring yourself to be the breadwinner CEO, leader, etc. without any excuses. But you can only speak for yourself if you want to be treated that way.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

See and you're blaming it on men. It's also easy for me to blame your issues on women as well. It's not our fault you never really choose to lead and just burden yourself from the start of humanity. If you like to say "because men don't let them" You're just making excuses. Those women in the past couldve of just done what they wanted to do anyway without men telling them. But it turns out it is their decision after all

[Aiko_E_Lara]

By the way I'm not asking for a men's rights movement because as I have said I support equality. And if advocating for such rights is considered whiny then why isn't feminism whiny? Irony?

[chocolatetwopointo]

oh really? what issues exactly? wdym pros and cons? yeah im gonna be a successful lawyer and id love to be treated like a man, less likely to be catcalled for one

[chocolatetwopointo]

women literally couldnt decide what they wanted to be or what they wanted to do back then, they were forced to be housewives bc it was illegal for them to work.

[chocolatetwopointo]

if u support eqality you’d know what feminism is. when did i say it was whiny?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Remember, you asked for it. Here you go. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ucR-1NodAs&t=44s You can mention all the cons women have but here are the pros for you. If you wanna be a successful lawyer then sure but you can only speak for yourself and if you wanna do it the man way, stop making excuses and fuck your feelings.

And is women not deciding even men's fault? You sure like to blame it on men for our own issues but you know, I can easily say thesame thing. It's not men's fault when they let men chose to lead and not even choose to just rebel at everything men say. Oh by the way, men also didn't have a choice but to keep working even at jobs he didn't want for the sake of the family and jobs back then wasn't really as easy as jobs today which contributes to why men's death rate is way higher and still is today and men who aren't really fitted for the jobs have big chances of being homeless since we don't have those men's shelter like women's shelter for women which of course proves my point of men being the more disposable gender which you still like to ignore. So again you wanna be treated like men? Then suck it up butter cup.

There's a reason why equality and feminism are not really synonymous but of course I sure know what feminism is which is exactly why I don't support it. "if u support equality you’d know what feminism is." That right there is an act of monopolizing the discussion of feminism. In other words "Anyone opposing it, they're just sexist." like the world revolves around that label.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Any discriminations and cat calls, you suck it up if you wanna be treated like men. Or is it only you wanna be treated like men only if it benefits you? Because that would just simply mean you only want special treatments not equality

[chocolatetwopointo]

what excuses have i made? and wdym fuck my feelings? yh it was illegal for women to work bc of men. bro we couldnt do anything, physically men r so much stronger than women, if a woman said something she would be killed. ofc other women were scared then too. what is there to suck up dude?💀 pls google what feminism is😭 ur either feminist or sexist. if i was a man i most likely won't get any cat calls or such. nah i want equality thats all, u js need to grow up and realise what feminism is

[Aiko_E_Lara]

You sure it was because of men not really by the majority's choice? Ok then go tell other women today to work on sewers, factories, powerplants, military, etc. I mean that was pretty much the high paying jobs people can do back then so tell them if they wanna work there. I mean there's only few women working in those fields right now. I'm pretty sure most of them wouldn't take it by choice. And even men today don't wanna work there because of other options. Also, I just debunked your claim saying women couldn't work. You sure about that? www.brookings.edu/.../ So yeah it only seem like you're using men as an excuse to just whine about equality

[Aiko_E_Lara]

And what about the privileges examples I just gave you? You sure just wanna ignore that do you? Like how you ignore men's issues and like to call your agenda "Equality", Yeah I did google what feminism is and it's talking about for women when it should be talking about for men and women if it was truly about equality. If that's the case then masculinism should be about equality too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masculism It's says right here to combat sexism towards men. It does exist tho so how do you like it being considered equality?

[chocolatetwopointo]

many women would probably do that💀 yeah bc it doesn't pay as much. now as it did back then, and we need money to survive obvi. also a lot of women were raised to think women should be housewives bc thats what men wanted, and when a woman went to work she was treated terrible.

[chocolatetwopointo]

the only issues men have rn is basically that they can't show emotions according to society. yh bc women need to get higher up to get to mens level, why is this so hard for men to understand? and what the fuck does masculism have to do with this?😭

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Ok then it would've been the case that there are more women in those fields. But really tho, women's happiness did decline since the 70s law.yale.edu/.../...iningFemaleHappiness_Dec08.pdf Women in the past were happier when they had a much simpler life. So it turned out it was their choices after all. And that's already a thing since the Paleolithic age where women let men hunt for them.

[chocolatetwopointo]

i can't go into the link. yeah bc many were raised to think thats their only purpose! hope this helps!

[Aiko_E_Lara]

www.scientificamerican.com/.../ Studies shown here other wise. And that's the reason why you don't have to man up to survive. A lot of feminists don't even understand how manning up is important so you let men just be vulnerable for your advantage. But ok, at this point, I'm basically talking about men's issues here but you're making it sounds like it's such a taboo to talk about it. So what happened to that "Men needs to open up some more" agenda you keep pratting about?

[chocolatetwopointo]

which comment are u answering rn cuz this makes no sense💀

[Aiko_E_Lara]

As i've also said, jobs are now getting easier and women have more options now unlike before which is why there are more women working and that has nothing to do with feminism but change. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=In8jWBlc8xo

[Aiko_E_Lara]

It doesn't really take a genius. Of course you only like to pretend it doesn't make sense if I talk about men's downside or I guess it's just too much for your small brain to process.

[chocolatetwopointo]

it does tho, so explain

[chocolatetwopointo]

feminists fought for the right for women to work tho?💀

[Aiko_E_Lara]

The video debunked that other wise. But still only few women actually get drafted and working in those fields I've talked about. Women would've actually dominate those fields if they actually did fight for it. But nope, they're working on other jobs AKA the other options that just weren't available in the past.

[chocolatetwopointo]

yh bc it pays better? who would wanna work a job when u dont get paid a lot?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Those people who don't wanna burden themselves too much? Yes there are a lot of us now. Because there are just other ways you can earn more money without having to work on those filthy work places. I don't even think you even have that kind of job but if you do, then do it. I don't give a fuck about your choices. I'm not a feminist like you who can't speak for themselves.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

by the way, I'm not sure what you're referring to as it "pays better", The old jobs or the newer options? If you're saying they work on those other options because it pays better, then yeah you just nailed your own coffin. Those jobs weren't available which is exactly why women chose certain jobs and to work at home while men only had those jobs to do even if they didn't want to do it for the sake of the family. Meaning both genders didn't have much choices after all if you just like to say "women didn't have choices" <-- I can easily say so did men.

[chocolatetwopointo]

i can speak for myself tho? and no I've never worked at a place like that and i hope i never will, and yeah men worked at those places bc of other men (society) pressured them into, since women were at home somebody had to do it and society made men think they need to be providers and women need to be housewives

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Then if that's the case then you would've never been a feminist who would try to push that agenda on to other women and let alone try to monopolize that movement as equality.

If it was because of other men, then what do you even except men to do? Just be a slouch at home and not make any income for their family until they go bankrupted? Even you yourself don't wanna work in such fields so what more if it comes to the average women? So you still like to blame men on women's choices. As I've talked about how our human nature works, you just wanna ignore how men had always been the hunter and women had always been the gatherer and that's not even a social construct.

For your ignorance, I can explain it here.

Biologically speaking, only women can give birth which is exactly why they had to be safe guarded and not being put in front to die to save the population. Because a ratio of more women than men can repopulate the society faster since women can only give birth for a few times in her life while men can impregnate hundreds of women at a time. And that's why society requires only few men and more women meaning men's life is much more dispensable than women's life. If you're a feminist who really support equality then you should know this too. But you only choose which one you want to learn apparently.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

In short, civilization would've never started if men never had to man up. It's a survival mechanism and you sure just like to blame it on men. What a feminist you are.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

And you're not suppose to be surprised why many people hates feminism including women. Just take a look at the likes and dislike ratio of the youtube vids I've sent you. Only 5% dislikes it. Here's some more arguments if you really wanna learn about them. Those aren't mostly men because all genders are literally allowed to have a say and dislike those videos. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guuPHxg4XXc&t=544s

[chocolatetwopointo]

yh bc they’re sexists

[Aiko_E_Lara]

If the whole world is sexist then maybe you're the problem. You just think you can just monopolize the discussion about equality and if anyone disagrees, that's your go to argument "they're just sexist" since you don't really have a real argument. The world just don't revolve around you unfortunately.

[chocolatetwopointo]

where did u get the ”the whole world is sexist” from?💀 how am i the problem? yh bc sexist means u dont want eqality for both genders and agree one gender should have more, have u ever even met someone who says they’re a feminist when they’re not? maybe YOU’RE the problem

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Because you're the one complaining about the whole world. And if I'm the problem then everyone is the problem according to you. That's exactly why the whole world can't revolve around you

[chocolatetwopointo]

when did i say i wanted the world to revolve around me exactly? im complaining ab men like you bc y'all r fucking braindead and argue about no existing things

[Aiko_E_Lara]

You didn't say that but you acted like it. We're not the ones who have problems with the world but you. You don't need to say you're a spoiled brat when you act like one. It's simple.

[In_Trance]

Bad dental hygiene

[paledreams]

Thumbs 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

[Iron_Man]

Cheating

[DerekC321]

Lack of trust

[Anonymous]

She knows.

[chocolatetwopointo]

what?

[elaphe]

Drug abuse.

[Crazzyyworld]

Bum.

[zombiewoof]

Honesty