With all the options available to meet women now, is it fair to say we are living in the golden age of dating?

[Vegasrunner]

[Cormac995]

Dating has never been worse in human history.

Everybody just fucks everyone, and people standards are completely fucked and unreasonable on both sides but especially woman. Dating apps are designed to fail but string you along just enough to keep you on them and worse they're dehumanizing. The economy is completely in the shitter locking a lot of men out of dating entirely just because they can't date and pay rent at the same time.

We've also created a culture where approaching people to make conversation is seen as creepy even if you're doing it at the bar or coffee shop. Those used to be the places you went to make friends and meet people now everyone goes to social spaces to be alone on their phone or with a pre existing group of friends that have no interest in meeting or talking to strangers.

We've also killed any sense of community which has massively harmed how dating works. Large events like festivals block parties etc are dead. People used to meet their neighbors and befriend them but now everyone keeps to themselves, and we've become so focused on "Individuality" that it's become a narcissism pandemic instead of freedom of self-making most people incapable of a healthy relationship because they're incapable of loving someone else more than themself.

American woman also has no appreciation for a man's qualities or values they care about his wallet and if he acts like a servant. there's a reason all the men that are "Worth having" are going overseas and marrying Eruopean woman. Then you have woman asking where are all the "good men" he answer is they went to a country that has a culture where men aren't treated like expendable trash so they could find someone who would love and respect them instead of robbing them in a divorce and take the kids.

We also have record high divorce rates and single parent homes and most people are run through by their 30s and they're crying why they can't find a husband/wife when they're dick/snatch has been used by 20 + people. more than 4 is a red flag so is anyone who is willing to be friends with benefits or poly relationships.

Poly relationships don't work someone always ends up being the third wheel and loved the least and people who do friends with benefits see sex as recreation and not a bond between lovers which means they're likely to cheat.

[Vegasrunner]

@cormac995 Interesting. Why are you struggling so much?

[Cormac995]

Multiple listed reasons above but my biggest hurdle is crippling finances. I'm average looking too which doesn't help with the dating scene. It think it's why woman are always happy when I show interest but never say yes. I'm good enough looking it boosts their ego but I'm not good enough looking to take a chance on. The woman I'm around say they feel comfortable around me and in general like me but the problem I keep running into is none of them love me. Basically, I think they see me as "A good guy but not good enough."

[aquamint]

It really depends what girls you looking at, to me an average man is enough as long as he can care about me, love me, and take care of me (if needed). I’m not going to lie there are a lot of women who are going to think a good guy isn’t enough, but there’s a lot of women who like an average man.

[Cormac995]

@aquamint I haven't been very picky I'll date a girl who's overweight within reason and I don't care about height. Basically as long as I can tell they're healthy enough to make it to their sixty's then that's all I'm asking. I want a life partner not someone I'm going to burry at 40. I'm trying but all the women I've met through people I know already have husbands or aren't interested in my that way. Dating apps are a cesspool I reluctantly wallow in and it's as mucky and filthy as people say but I've pulled out all the stops and I just can't get any traction. The only people matching with me are people looking for a quick smash or something which is frustrating too cause I'm not into that. I've pretty much run out of idea's.

[Vegasrunner]

@aquamint Does he also have to only be limited to you?

[aquamint]

I definitely understand what you mean. I myself am not looking for a guy who just wants sex and that it. I’m looking for someone to spend my life with who isn’t going to potentially cheat on me.
Now what I will say is a lot of guys I have seen talk about women’s weight, I understand but I also don’t in a way. I can guarantee some girls who are overweight want to lose weight, and if your interested in them and wait a while after getting to know them and you offer to workout with them granted they mention that they want to lose weight as a goal, but lack the proper motivation. Then you would have a potential partner who is working towards losing weight.

[aquamint]

Well of course, I don’t want a man who has a wandering eye or is lustful towards other women. I want a man who respects our relationship and me enough to not be fucking around with other women. Just like he expects me to be with just him.

[Vegasrunner]

@aquamint So he needs to care about you, love, you take care of you, and settle only for you? You left out his physical and financial profile. And in return first providing all this what does he get?

[aquamint]

There isn’t a financial profile that I’m looking for, I make enough to provide if he makes less than me who am I to judge? He’s got a job, granted it doesn’t pay as much as my does he’s trying. He shouldn’t have to take care of everything. Physical not much I am selective about either would I prefer his body is average? Yes, I don’t need the abs or the arms if he has those cool, if he’s a bit overweight? Cool. If you look at your question “in return for providing all this what does he get” that statement means that the relationship is transactional. Now considering the things I am asking for aren’t anything like protection, putting food on the table or money, but to just be committed and loyal not sure why that should be rewarded. Let’s assume that I’m the one who cooks and clean what would I be rewarded with?
Viewing a relationship as if I do this thing what do I get in return will always lead to a bad relationship because you aren’t doing those things because you know they NEED to be done your doing them because your care enough to do them. Now considering that anyone who wants to be in a relationship/ is in a relationship expects loyalty. Loyalty/commitment is rewarded with loyalty/commitment from the other person.

[aquamint]

@Vegasrunner ^ also might I add, if we are really going based on a rewarding system I’m a virgin. His reward is that he’s with a women who is untouched. Will I reward a man with sex? No, I intend to wait until marriage as then that is a test of commitment.
You have an untouched women by any man, sure you want sex but at the end of the day you have something that not many people have anymore that a lot of man want to get there hands on.

[Cormac995]

@aquamint Th reason guys are asking what we get out of the relationship is because women treat us like living wallets. When a woman expects you to act like her personal piggy bank why are woman surprised when men look at them like concubines? For the record I respect refusing to sleep with someone you don't love but if you're waiting for marraige you're going to be waiting a long time. Even guys that are dating still have no interest in marriage. They want a life partner sure they want do want a wife, but they refuse to put pen to paper because divorce laws in this country are completely fucked. A woman can cheat on you with your own brother and still walk away with half your shit the house and the kids. I personally want a lifelong partner, but I'll never file the marriage paperwork.

[aquamint]

I completely understand where you’re coming from, as I want a lifelong partner too. The only thing about marriage for as those two go head to head being damn near the same thing is I want the ring and I want to be able to say that my partner is my husband. Now as a woman who doesn’t view a man as a wallet as I stated that I make enough to provide. Is that as someone who can provide for a whole household, I don’t ask what I would get out of the relationship. But then again a lot of women like myself are experiencing bad men just as much as men are experiencing bad women. And that really sucks cause there are those of us out here who do want a long term relationship/life long/marriage and it’s getting harder to find someone who wants the same thing because of the men who want to sleep around and the women who are getting free meal tickets and marrying so they can get money from it.

[Cormac995]

@aquamint Yea that's pretty much what's happening. Contrary to popular belief most men hate this transactional state of relationships too. Women complain all the time about how. "Men only want me for my body." but they conveniently leave out they only want a man for the money. Men have realized this and since we're blunt by nature we stopped pretending this isn't what it is which is essentially "exclusive prostitution" often times minus the exclusive leading to messy break ups leaving both parties bitter.

The damage casual sex has done to the dating market can't be overstated either. Like it or not no guy wants to marry a woman with 20+ bed partners unless they're into getting cucked. Now we have a bunch of women who spread their cheeks on only fans made next to nothing and now they have a reputation as a whore, and no men will touch them. I've always had the impression it's the same with women and they disliked man whores too.

I don't respect anyone who is lose with their body and I'll never trust someone to be faithful if they've had sex with more than 4 people. More than one bed partner is normal but a string of them isn't, and studies have shown that casual sex leads to depression, a lack of self-worth and feelings of emptiness that make commitment and connection with other humans almost impossible. It's literally been proven that every time you sleep with someone new you lose a little bit of your ability to love someone else.

[Cormac995]

@aquamint That's part of why I respect you wanting to wait until marriage but it's going to be a long wait for these reasons. You also mentioned you want a ring and that's going to cause it's own problems because those things are fucking expensive and most guys would rather spend that money on something like a house or a work car.

We live in an economy where most people will never be able to own a home or afford to have kids and yet women still want a fancy wedding and a diamond ring when they won't even go Dutch on dates? You seem nice and sensible but I hope you realize how high you're setting your standards. I'm not saying you're not a catch you're a self-made woman who seems smart, but the thing is most men aren't on your level of success or even close enough to it to pay for things like rings and weddings.

[aquamint]

Honestly, it doesn’t even have to be an expensive ring. If he put the thought into picking it out and it is a gesture of his love for me I’ll expect it. I’m not a flashy person I don’t need/want a flashy ring. I have paid for all of dates that I have went on, never has a man offered to pay for it or even asked to split it half. I don’t even make it known that I have money, you’d look at me and think she’s normal lol. If I like a guy his level of success isn’t going to matter to me (unless he’s homeless, but that’s pretty obvious) if he can’t get a expensive ass ring, I don’t really care for expensive. I don’t think I have high standards at all. I want a man who will care for me, love me, be affectionate and never give me a reason to doubt him/loyalty. And those are very bare minimum, which I shouldn’t just settle for that but I do. Because as the relationship goes on that’s when better things come. I personally want to stay away from obviously cheaters, liars, men who expect sex all the time. I’d also prefer not to be with a rich man but if it’s a man that can fit those low ass standards that I have? I’ll try it.

[aquamint]

But yeah it’s definitely going to be a long wait, I won’t give my body to someone who has slept around with multiple girls. But also once I hit 27/28 and still am in no relationship, I’m perfectly okay with staying single. That’s giving myself 4/5 years to either find someone or for someone to find me and that isn’t such a long time but it also isn’t short. I won’t spend forever waiting for the “love of my life” when I can set a time and if it hasn’t happened then I plan my life so that I can fully enjoy it by myself

[Vegasrunner]

@aquamint Odd statement. You don't have a man yet you're making the argument that if you did he could be broke and fat? Also how would you making money benifit the man at all?

[Vegasrunner]

@aquamint You being a virgin only matters if you're attractive.

[aquamint]

@Vegasrunner well I’ve had men tell me before that I am attractive, it’s not self proclaimed or from an older women. I’m not making any argument? You asked about finance and physical, which I just simply answered that I preferred he be average physical but wouldn’t mind if he was muscular or slightly bigger than average but not overweight. Also didn’t say being broke, I said if he has a job and is trying to provide I also wouldn’t mind. Not sure how making money would benefit a man, but since it obviously doesn’t. There’s technically nothing a man could do to benefit me. I’m independent and have everything I need to provide myself which is why I said what I was looking for is basically bare minimum. Which realistically my standards should be way higher because since I can provide for myself financially and am considered attractive to men, then the man should know that because I can provide for myself that he should be aiming to exceed that.
I’m not sure how that an odd statement that I made, possibly because your used to women saying the exact opposite which is sad that they do but as someone who is low maintenance and is very simple I really don’t look for much in a guy physically or financially. The man should be able to provide for himself of course and if he can do that for himself why would that be considered being broke? Physically I just really don’t care as stated I don’t want anyone over weight but would prefer someone average. I’ve noticed that men have the whole physical aspect towards women as slim/fit, if it’s odd that a women says the opposite for the men. Then I guess that’s odd

[Cormac995]

@aquamint Your standards that I think are going to cause you problems dating is no sex before marraige and wanting a ring even a cheep one. Even cheep rings are thousands of dollars athough I appreciete your attitude about your desire for a partner. I'm also not saying your standards are wrong I' just saying they're going to make things more challenging. The other things you want respect, loyalty love you're right those are the bear minimum. The fact you paid for the dates is shocking to me. Most women look at you like you slapped them when you suggest even 50/50 or just paying for your own expenses. I will say that putting a timer on your dating life is a bad idea too. the odds of finding the kind of guy you're looking for in 4/5 years is really low.

[aquamint]

Definitely, the timer is just there for me as for actively pursuing a relationship. Once that time is up like I said I’ll start planning my life as it’s just myself, not meaning if a relationship comes my way I won’t accept it. But more so I’ll start living fully for myself as I am single and at that age. the no sex before marriage, it’s unfortunate it’s not as it was years ago when a man wasn’t expecting sex frequently and didn’t believe that the relationship is built off of sex. It’s sad, knowing that if I won't have sex with a guy that he won’t want to be with me, but then I’ll shame women online for having sex. It really depends on who I end up with. If I can fully trust the man and feel like we’ll be long term then maybe I might. But at the same time going on a date with a guy and saying I’ll wait until marriage is a big give away towards knowing if a man is just trying to get in your pants or actually wants a relationship.

[Vegasrunner]

@aquamint News flash men lie, and most understand how fragile women's egos are so there not going to tell you you're ugly to your face. The test is the caliber of man you can attract and based on what you said you didn't attract any. In debating terms your response is known as an argument. In your original description you didn't mention anything about a man's physical, or financial profile now we find out your requirements are much more than you led on. I asked how you making money would benefit a man, once again you left that part out. If there's nothing a man could do to benifit you, why would he choose you, especially considering as the original question asked he's got more options than ever these days? By your own standards you're not "low maintenance" You want a financially stable man who is in shape, willing to take care and love you. On top of this this man is supposed to go against his nature and only have sex with you. Why? To my original question this is why it's a golden age in dating for men. You just described the same man every woman wants, and since men are only as faithful as their options there's zero reason for that man to only be faithful to you which explains why you haven't been able to retain a man of that caliber yet.

[aquamint]

That’s fine if they won’t tell me If im ugly, I’m not really sure what that would do for me, I don’t view myself as ugly. I didn’t say I want a man who is in shape, so I’m not sure where you got that from I said an average man physically not fit and not overweight. A man’s nature is to have sex with multiple women? Odd, never heard that before. That’s fine, I’m okay with being single, so it’s not really a problem for me. If I find a guy, I find a guy. If not? Well time to go live for myself. If a man has that many options that okay, he’s not with me so I don’t really see why I should really care about that. My requirements aren’t much, the man’s physical and financial don’t really matter to me. Not sure why you went on this rant, but I’m happy you did and you got it out. It’s not really the golden age for men, it’s more of them just sleeping around. But hey more women are okay with being single and are closing there legs that’s why the birth rate has dropped so low, I know that men lie. No need to tell me, but if a man can’t remain faithful and believes in god he will be sent to hell 😃 have a nice day

[Cormac995]

If you're idea of the golden age of dating for men is easy sex and fucking as many different women as possible you're one of the guy's women complain about when they get mistreated and turn them off of other men turning them into toxic bitter bitches that are as nasty as the meanest parts of the incel community. I fucking hate this shit for this reason; it leads to a mess for everyone where nobody trusts each other and everyone thinks the other is just a disgusting user.

Also, if monogamy is unnatural for humans why do the vast majority of cultures in the word see it as the way things should be done? If it's natural then polygmy would be a mainstay of almost all societies because fighting human nature is impossible since it goes against our biology and centreies of instinct and eveloution. People like you are the problem and why nobody takes dating or marraige seriously anymore.

[Vegasrunner]

@aquamint It provides u w/ a delusional sense of your value. If he's not overweight then by definition he's in shape. Yes men want multiple women don't be embarrassed that you don't know this but it's pretty obvious why do you think prostitution is the world's oldest profession? It's great you're fine with being single because that is most likely how you will end up. Most woman are not okay, w/ being single which is another reason it's a golden age of dating. If you didn't care you wouldn't have responded to the original post. You claimed they "don't matter" then outlined less than 2% of the population. Men being able to sleep w/ a variety of women would literally constitute a Golden Age as that is what most men want the ability to do. Even on here every guy that says is not, is quick to imply that he has options. They're closing their legs to the bottom 80% while opening them for the top 20% w/put requiring any investment. Two weeks ago I had sex with 3 different women in 4 days and never spent a dollar. That's literally every man's dream. If you know that they lie why would you use them telling you you're pretty as a metric for your beauty?

[Cormac995]

You're a gross imiture moron.

[Vegasrunner]

@cormac995 You already admitted you get no women, why would you think your opinion matters?

[Cormac995]

Because I'm an adult and you never matured past high school. Yea I'm single that means nothing there are plenty of people who beat their girlfriends and aren't so that doesn't invalidate anything I've said. THe fact you're using play ground insults to push your argument only makes you look more stupid and juvinile.

[Vegasrunner]

@cormac995 How does your being a single adult make your argument better?

[Cormac995]

Also the biggest reason I'm single isn't because I'm not getting matches on dating apps or I'm bad around women the problem I keep running into is women only want sex and money out of me and I refuse to bang on the first date or do friends with benefits etc because I'm an adult and actually believe in managomy and not being an imiture man whore.

[Cormac995]

I never said it did I said you saying it was invalid for that reason was wrong because nothing you said invalidated my opinion since your argument was built on a bullshit premise.

[Vegasrunner]

@cormac995 Lol, you're single because women only want sex out of you? @aquamint Do you not find it odd that every guy ob here is complaining about dating, yet brag about how many women they have?

[Vegasrunner]

@cormac995 If you're not getting any women why would your argument be valid?

[Cormac995]

How does not getting women make it invalid? How thick are you? You're just a run through man whore with no standards and probably several STDs because people like you have no standards and don't care about other people just using them.

[Cormac995]

As for validating my opinion that this is the worst time to be dating how about we look at some statistics?

63% of men 30 and under are single for women its 52%.

We have record low birth rates and they're still going down, we need a birth rate of 2.1 to stop the econemey from crashing and the current birth rate is 1.6

21% of mothers are single mothers.

41-50% of marraiges in america end in divorce

Across all genders 20-30% of people cheat on their partners.

Lastly marriage rates have also plummeted in 1960 72% of americans were married. In 2025 it's 49-52% even worse people are so fucking sick of how dating is working in this country both men and women are marrying AI so how exactly is this the golden age of dating and how exactly is my opinion invalid?

[Vegasrunner]

@cormac995 If you're a failure at getting women, how can you weigh in about dating? You don't date.

[aquamint]

I’m pretty sure sleeping around with any woman who will let you isn’t dating

[aquamint]

But it also makes sense that your 47 and talk like this… but now that I think about it, @cormac995 is correct you are one of the guys that make women decide to not be with men anymore. Of course there are men who are community dick like you, but there are also men who don’t sleep around with any and everyone.

[Vegasrunner]

@cormac995 TY for sharing these states as the prove my point.
1. If 63% of men are single that means they are not stuck w/ one woman.
2. If women are "independent" then why would a HV man want to be stuck with a kid?
3. That divorce state has been the same for last 50 years.
4. That would mean 70 - 80% don't cheat.
5. Marriage doesn't benifit men at all which means that most mean have figured this out and are now taking advantage of the fact that more women are willing to have sex w/out commitment. Which is what men want. You're opinion is invalid because you're unable to get what is valued by men which is sex from women. Nightclubs, bars, porn, prostitution, etc don't exsist so men can get married they exsist so men can get laid and as you pointed out there has never been a better time to do that. Like most beta males you're debating for the female metric. You canake an argument that it's a bad time for females or beta males but for men who enjoy having sex w/ women how can you possibly make the argument that there's ever been a better time?

[aquamint]

@Vegasrunner and just like that I’ve stopped listening to anything you said. “Beta male”? Geez, I mean unless your a dog I’m not sure why you’d use those terms. Also not all men want to go around and have sex with everyone, but then again you have your own opinion and can’t speak for every single guy in the world. Not sure how you can place a value on @cormac995 because he doesn’t have sex like you do.
Also why do you keep saying everything is an argument? This is definitely a bad time for dating, but soon enough all women will have closed there legs are you’ll have to start having sex with each other.

[Vegasrunner]

@aquamint Lol, wait your argument is that I'm so impactful that women stop being w/ other men after I've had them?

[Vegasrunner]

@aquamint Yes most men want to have a variety of woman they're simply not capable of pulling it off. Not only can you not speak for every guy, you can't speak for any guys. I didn't plave a value on @cormac995 society did. If he's so great why don't you ask him out fir a date on this site. Because he's a beta who doesn't get women he's going to say yes despite never seeing how you look. Argument is literally the dictionary definition for opposite sides of a debate. Women will never close their legs because they will always need to feel important and the only way for them to do that is by receiving attention from men they respect and admire.

[aquamint]

@Vegasrunner I’m pretty sure the only person that can put value on @cormac995 is him himself. I didn’t say I was speaking for every guy? I was saying that you can’t speak for every guy, cause they might not feel the same way towards the topic as you do. I’m not really interested in dating right now as I am traveling and that’s what I spend my time on. You can’t speak for every women regarding closing there legs lol, I for sure have never opened my legs for a man so they have for sure been closed. No man will ever make me feel important or nor will I ever search for a man’s attention. Also didn’t know this was a debate, considering you asked a question which I answered. You’re not impactful enough to stop women being with other men lol I never said that. I don’t know him well enough to think he’s great, I just said I agree with him. But at the end of the day you are 47, and you are community dick so of course this is the way you think.

[Cormac995]

There are abusers that get women too getting women and not getting women doesn't say anything about who you are as a person or what your quality is as a partner also your hyperphixation on sex and your immature attitude and blatant at this point sexism is the tell tale sign of an incel. THe moment you started using terms like beta male in that context you invalidated everything you said and I have 0 belief you've ever gotten laid. I can't believe I of all people am saying this honestly because I've spoken out against the overuse of the word sexist as well as it's double standards for men on this site many, many times when aimed at men. I swear some men never grow up passed 18 and then they make us all look like shit. "Golden age of dating" mother fucker there are men that are as jacked as wolverine that are single right now because they're scared to catch a charge for harassing a woman just by asking her out because pricks like you treat people as living flashlights and make them think all men are trash. Seeing both sides of the argument doesn't make me a beta male it means I have common fucking sense.

[Vegasrunner]

@aquamint Actually that is incorrect Value is always assigned by the consumer. You literally made the claim "not all men". Which isn't even relevant as all isn't a pre-requisite for truth. Not all people vote however we still elect political leaders. It's odd how you make the argument that I can't speak for every man while you literally attempt to speak for every man. I'm not sure what your personal choices have to do w/ this conversation or why you feel the need to share them. One of the reasons it's a golden age is because men don't need every woman to open their legs we hust need a new one every night. Plenty men make you feel important unfortunately the problem you have is that no man you respect love or admire makes you feel important which is what woman want. Not sure why you think I'm concerned about women being "w/ other men" However I realize that a lot of women turn to emotionally charged arguments when the facts don't support their feelings. If by "community dick" you are making the argument that I have sex w/ a lot of women then that would literally validate it being a golden age of dating, for men. So are you saying you agree?

[Cormac995]

Bro stop pretending you're not a virgin. The only people this immature and sex obsessed at your age are incels that are ashamed of being virgins. If you were actually getting laid you wouldn't feel the need to go on and on about how great getting laid all the time is. You sound like the class nerd with broken glasses saying. "I have a girlfriend in Canada." Not to mention with a personality like yours I don't believe for a second any women would want to sleep with you let alone a bunch of them.

[Telekinetic-Potato]

I'll say this, it's definitely the easiest to get laid now.

Woman I think have generally realized (at least around my area) it's not any more shameful to sleep around then it is for guys to manipulate them into fruitless, waste of time relationships.

This will self correct in time I think, but if I were to put money on it, we have another 15 years of everyone being promiscuous until whatever the next iteration of a "traditional" relationship is becomes societies center of attention.

For people who just want easy, short term relationships, guys probably haven't had it this good since the 50's and 60's lol. But so far as I have seen, it's a very difficult time for people who want sturdy, long term relationships. Those I think will take a very long time before they become normal again

[Vegasrunner]

@Telekinetic-Potato Some decent points, I would argue men have it way easier now than in the 60's simply because there are more optiona available than ever. Men have always wanted easy, short term relationships however that wasn't possible 50, 60 years ago. Hell 20 years ago all of dating for men was hard, now with women as you said being more premiscuios than ever, and transportation and communication easier than ever. If you're a man w/ some basic success you have millions of women at your fingertips. It's intoxicating. in my opinion guys that struggle with women rn are proably struggling in life and just don't see the correlation.

[Telekinetic-Potato]

Well keep in mind that that time period was when everyone was doing drugs and fucking a lot. Especially young people going to concerts. Society was so sex positive that Elvis was flirting and hooking up with 16 year old girls on live television and nobody saw anything wrong with it. You could have nude children in advertisements back then and if you saw anything wrong with it you were the weird one who needed to take yourind out the gutter. Very, very different time

[Vegasrunner]

@Telekinetic-Potato Actually it was a time when young people teenagers and early 20 somethings are doing drugs the primary one being Marijuana. The sexual revolution wasn't available to adults at that time. Compete that to today, where 60 yro women are promoting their body online seeking attention, plus Marijuana is legal in several places throughout America. You're comparing a small self described "counter culture" to what is the norm for everyone today. Both your Elvis and Nude Children statement are factually wrong, and seem to be a conclusion you've created out of a series of mistaken opinions. That does even facture in the numeric advantage men had today. This is the part i believe most young men don't understand. It takes sweat equity for any man to get laid. This belief that a man shows up and random women hop on his dick is a belief held only by guys who don't get women. Men who do get women realize that in the 60's those "festivals" you referenced happened a couple times a year, would need to be located near you and didn't guarantee you would get laid. There were no cell phones so you would get one shot to close the deal and rest of the year you were basically subject to settle for whatever girl was in your town or neighborhood. There weren't even malls back then so the average man's options were extremely limited. Today the average man has a plethora of options to meet women both online and IRL. Women will always be a numbers game for men, as men aren't looking for "the one" that's a female belief.

[Telekinetic-Potato]

I mean, it's based on all the literature that came from that time. My grandma telling me stories, the dozens of old people I met while taking care of my grandpa at multiple homes over the course of 2 years, having worked in advertising and my mentor was kinda a hippie... Maybe hippie adjacent. The fact that all that stuff became illegal at basically the same time. Weed was associated with black people by the way when you were a baby there was all kinda propaganda for that.

I'm not even necessarily trying to say I'm right and you're wrong, but I'm not really basing it off nothing and Im not fully buying what you're saying even if it has some good points because you're kinda the perfect age where nobody is going to be honest about what they were doing 10-20 years ago to a kid

[Vegasrunner]

@Telekinetic-Potato Everyone is nostalgic about the past. Weed was associated with white people, that's why we associate it with hippies. Also it became legal 40 years later so nor sure what you're talking about. It's not really an opinion it's simple math. The average man has more women to deal with than the man 40, 50 years ago. You don't need to agree with it buts it's a fact.

[Telekinetic-Potato]

OK, easy solution here so what's your math based on.

[Vegasrunner]

@Telekinetic-Potato Lol, it's not "my" math its just math and all math is the same. Women are simply a numbers game the more you have access to the more success a man has. Back in the 60's the number of women a man could meet was limited especially once they left school. Maybe they meet a woman at work, or if they were lucky get set up by a friend. Women didn't frequent bars back then as it was seen as taboo, so you were limited. Fast forward to today when a man has nearly unlimited options from bars, clubs to social media to dating apps. There's exponentially more women available. One of the difficult part for guys of your generation is that you guys have been taught to act think like woman, looking for "the right one". This has jaded your perception and not allowed guys to recognize the options in front of them.

[Telekinetic-Potato]

I see where you're coming from and I think there's a lot of validity to what you're saying but what you're saying makes me think of Idaho and reminds me I live in NJ right next to NYC.

I live an hr and a half away from Woodstock NY

[Telekinetic-Potato]

So Im not sure how much the whole options drying up thing translates. Also I think back then people hung out at diners and generally outside more.

I mean people were getting married in their early to mid twenties so don't get me wrong, I think what you're saying is an intelligent point.

It doesn't take away from the fact that people were having so much sex they called them baby boomers. Drugs were so common back then... Look up the story of how the PCR test was invented. Sure, it was a whole time period later but I think it says a lot about the 50's and 60's and what was normal back then 😂

[Vegasrunner]

@Telekinetic-Potato Lol, what's in Idaho? What's in Jersey for that matter? Also they don't have festivals like that everyday which is my point. You have a short window to be exposed to a lot of women.

[Vegasrunner]

@Telekinetic-Potato Actually "baby boomers" reference to the kids of the previous generation the WW2 Henetation. By law drugs or much more common now with some states even legalizing hard drugs. in my opinion you're looking to make a point despite evidence to the contrary.

[Telekinetic-Potato]

Soooo, between the mid 40's to the mid 60's? Like I was saying? Also exactly the time the whole no wars, let's get a camper van powered by a Detroit diesel and do shrooms? I mean yea woodstock was 1969 so you could say the era lasted till the 70's but by then the publics view I think was shifting already largely as a result of the the 50's going into the 60's

[Vegasrunner]

@Telekinetic-Potato There were literally three major wars during that time frame. How does this relate to the original conversation?

[Telekinetic-Potato]

I don't know how to make my point any more clearly. I really mulled it over

[Vegasrunner]

@telekinetic-potatoIll I'll help you. You understand that men having options is what men value as success, however you're reluctant to agree with this because society typically demonizes mens wants while emphasizing females. You used a decade you have little knowledge about to validate your point but forgot that mention a handful of festivals Pales in comparison w/ the day to day options HV men have today. It's also difficult for you to the ignore the value options have w/out feeling like you are criticizing women.

[Telekinetic-Potato]

My only point is that men haven't had it this good in terms of quick easy sex since that time era. It's not to say it's the same as now... Or even close really. But I do think that if you're a broke, 20 something and don't have the money or patience to take woman out on dates and slowly build a relationship then the last time it was as easy as now was probably like 80 years ago.

I'm saying that it required less game, resources and social standing than say the 80's. The hippie movement as well as other cultural shifts how sex, relationships and nudity in general were looked at then are what I'm pointing at as references to a larger overall mindset.

[Vegasrunner]

@Telekinetic-Potato That's literally the original point of the post, that and to show men how many people hate to see them happy. Broke men have never had dating success because that's how dating works. You're romanticizing an era you know nothing about to make a bad point, yes free love was a thing in the 60's however because of technology a man had way less access to woman offering up that love. "Hippies" were a small limited subculture and not as prevalent as you've been led to belief, in addition simply being a hippie didn't mean the woman was obligated to have sex w/ whatever guy who wanted to have sex. Men still had to put in sweat equity to get sex from woman, same way do now. The difference is if a man struck out back then it could take weeks or months or even years for an opportunity. Today a man, especially a HV man can replace woman in seconds. Woman don't want to hear this because they need to feel special and the 80% of losers don't want to hear it because they are jealous.

[beenherebefore]

Not really. Social media and dating apps give you the false impression that you have lots of options when in reality most of those said 'options' wouldn't turn into anything else.

[CuriousFlo03]

Good point

[Flowersareawsome22]

No , I will say now a days people need to choose wisely get to know the person. Marriage is a serious commitment. It takes time.

[Vegasrunner]

Marriage is a metric that only benifits females.

[AviatorTom]

You have to remember that the purpose of dating is to find a mate. Most of "the options available to women" don't do that.

[Vegasrunner]

@AviatorTom That's for women for men the purpose of dating is to have sex which has never been easier to do.

[Anonymous]

The excess options is a double edged sword


They open more doors than ever but also mean everyone else gets a shot too


It used to be high school sweethearts got together and stayed together because neither one wanted to bother finding love in the big bad world


Now the big bad world is all around us


And frankly most women I meet are somehow harmed by this social model one way or another
The men too if we’re being real


So no it’s not the golden age


But it’s definitely the easiest it’s ever been to land a date

[Vegasrunner]

@Zack-Bann That's not an example of a double edged sword. More options is good, other people also having options are irrelevant. If I meet a girl and sex w/ her the fact another guy is having sex w/ a different girl doesn't factor to me.
The HS sweethearts thing is bad for the guy because he would typically have to compete amongst his peers for that one girl, now he no longer needs to do that. Women are harmed from it because it reduces their sexual leverage and most women can't handle that.

[Opinion Owner]

Last time I started seeing a girl she innocently asked what my bodycount was
I answered which was a fairly high number in my mind
She said “oh mine is 120”

I couldn’t even muster up the performance after that.

So leverage aside, no human should feel the need to have that many partners

What’s the endgame? Just stacking an arbitrary number without ever reaching anything meaningful or any semblance of happiness?

That is the unfortunate reality of so many young adults these days

[Vegasrunner]

@Zack-Bann That's a hilarious story, but highlights your dating inexprience, and quite frankly an issue many young men are having. You're the man or at least your supposed to be, a woman asking a man she is on a date w/ about his body count is odd because she's only on a date w/ him because he has a high body count. That's not a question you should even entertain and if you'd been w/ as many woman as you claimed you would know this. As for her body count, you dogged a bullet, and proably should have ended the date once she told you. The problem is you're seeking equality, "No human should feel..." Well actually no woman should feel that way because any woman can have a dick thrown in her. Men need to be doing something right to have sex w/ a lot of women so it actually displays value when he does. Also endgame? You're a man, your endgame is you get to have as many woman as you can for the rest of your life, provided you do the right thing. Women are the ones that need to find a partner. What you dont understand is the fact that 20 years ago the same girl still had 120 bodies, the diffetemce is now at least you have the opportunity to collect 120+ of your own. Whats so unfortunate about men also having options? .

[Opinion Owner]

I’ve heard this rhetoric a thousand times in times and used to believe it too but it’s plain wrong

The distinction between man and woman in terms of value related to body count is something Red Pill podcasters use to shit on women on the internet

I maintain that no human should feel the need to sleep with hundreds of people

I’ve been with over 20 people and I already feel how pointless it all is

One true solid partner that’s beautiful inside and out and will stick around and be loyal in the long run is worth more than all those random bodies who’s names I barely remember

I have a friend who’s only ever been with 2 girls and has been dating that second girl for years
He’s got access to all the joys of life with her:
The couple’s vacation, the Christmas dinners, the new year’s kisses, the cheering when one of them has an achievement

He sometimes envies my freedom but little does he know: all I am is lonely and keep trying to fight that loneliness the only way I know how
Which is how I end up in bed with the crazies of the world

[Vegasrunner]

@Zack-Bann You've heard it "1000's of times" because it's accurate. At 27 only 20 girls is kind of low to begin with. Did you ever consider that the reason you don't believe we're in the Golden Age is because you're looking at it from the female lense?

[Opinion Owner]

“20 girls at 27 is kinda low to begin with”
I feel like I’ve had this conversation before. Maybe it was with you actually

And no it’s not low.
It’s more bodies than my entire ancestry going back 15 generations at least

Just because I’m not treated the bodycount as a competition doesn’t mean I’m somehow lacking

The fact is: ever since I lost my virginity I’ve always a woman in my life. And that woman changes every now and then. So 20 bodies is the random number I’m at right now but my sex life is in full swing

And yet every girl I slept with I eventually had to live through our breakup. (Often time it would be me ending it, but I’ve been dumped a couple of times)

Which is why I don’t consider this the golden age

My parents have had millions of fights and yet have been together for 30 years

My grandparents on both sides marriage young and are buried next to each other.
Similar to most older people I know

They had access to something we now lost.
True loyalty.
And that, to me, is the true golden age.
I would trade the “notches on my belt” for a solid partner who’s gorgeous inside and out, and willing to stick around come hell or high water.

But all I have is a promiscuous society and the ability to warm up my nights in the arms random people

[Vegasrunner]

@Zack-Bann I think I understand your confusion. Reading your comments everything starts w/ I or me. This is anecdotal behavior and an irrelevant metric. Assuming you started having sex at 17 that's only two girls a years so yes that's very low. Using your ancestors as a metric is once again irrelevant, especially considering you're a product of that ancestors and subscribe to a more feminine way of thinking. Also your point seems contradictory. If your dating life is "in full swing" then wouldn't that lend itself to being a Golden Age?

[Opinion Owner]

I just remembered we had this exact talk before

No offense but I think you’re wrong on all counts

And you think I’m wrong as well

That’s ok

I don’t have the energy to rehash it again on GAG

[Vegasrunner]

@Zack-Bann TBH it's proably a good idea for you to quit, because putting your belief in writing, against facts will make you seem odd. in my opinion more people should do that instead of trying to argue a false, emotionally driven point.

[Opinion Owner]

The only one who’s wrong here pal is you.
You’ve been wrong for half a century

Not wanting to argue with you isn’t quitting ;)
It’s dismissing you as noise
Which is what people make when they have nothing of substance to say

[Vegasrunner]

@Zack-Bann Wrong about what? I'm simply asking why this is a great time for dating, if I understand correctly you are making the case for having a lot of dating options?

[DannyUk2017]

Nope! 90% of the time happens "virtually" the other 9.9% is Avoidance & Validation, which many people are running away from, and that 0.9% are the fussy ones that don't know what they want, and the 0.01% is You! So i guess your "golden age" just refers to "wasted age" as the Face 2 face meeting, and Trust that The other person will turn up, is greatly diminished...🤷‍♂️

[Vegasrunner]

@DannyUk2017 I find it so interesting that you've limited dating to solely meeting people online. Also I believe you're making the mistake into believing that because you're struggling to meet woman face to face, that everyone is. Perhaps try to figure out why woman aren't meeting you face to face but are willing to meet men like me?

[DannyUk2017]

😂😂😂👍... You do you!

[Vegasrunner]

@DannyUk2017 If I undrrstand correctly, I'm not the one struggling to meet women.

[OneViewpoint]

More like the nightmare age of dating.

• It feels easier because technology increases access.

But...

• But it's destroying social skills
• Promoting ghosting because there are no consequences.
• Allowing lies with bullshit profiles and filtered 10 year old photos.
• It's paralyzing people with unlimited choice. Just keep swiping left, the next one will be the one.

[Vegasrunner]

@OneViewpoint It's increasing social skills because there's mores girls to talk with. Why would breaking up w/ someone be a good thing? Women wear makeup so part of dating has always been lies, but now it allows guys to participate. Have choices is a good thing no? It's much better than 30, 40 years ago when guys were limited to 1 or 2 cute girls in town.

[OneViewpoint]

@Vegasrunner,

Then why is there a movement of men walking away from dating altogether? Why are women more neurotic and going to therapy? It's not working. At least not for the average Joe & Jane. Everyone thinks they deserve a "10". They don't.

[Vegasrunner]

@OneViewpoint Great question. That movement consist mostly of you men, many who don't realize that dating has always been more difficult for men. These sane men have been indoctrinated w/ feminist beliefs si they are attempting to be attractive to women while displaying feminine traits. What these men and perhaps you fail to realize is that all these men have done us reduce the number of available men to women, allowing Alpha and top 20% men to step in and clean up. Whike you are complaining, the dame men are simply coming in and banging the same women you're complaining about.

[CuriousFlo03]

Accurate. A small sample of men is getting all the women because the other part is too busy complaining.

[CuriousFlo03]

I see men complaining sometimes on forums. And I can understand that, I was a virgin with no options until last year. I had to take personal responsibility and work on myself and now I do have options. What would you say is your main obstacle when it comes to dating?

[Vegasrunner]

@CuriousFlo03 Correct, was actually just talking about that with a woman this morning. The 80% loser guys keep complaining as if that will somehow solve the problem, meanwhile the top 20% just keep getting more and more options, pissing off the 90% of woman who keep chasing.

[OneViewpoint]

So you just contradicted yourself. Now you're admitting that the current dating environment isn't working for 80% or some high percentage of men. So it's no Golden Age of dating. All you can do is focus on it working for you. Pretty myopic and childish.

I don't have any problem attracting women. Quite the opposite actually. I get approached all the time and have to deal with rejecting 95% of them without looking like an asshole. But I can empathize with all the guys who say they are struggling without acting like a dick and calling them whiners and losers. I don't think those guys are lying. And 80% of men are probably not whiners. Social media has enabled the worst behaviors in men and women. This is no Golden Age of Dating.

[Vegasrunner]

@OneViewpoint TY for sharing as it helps me understand your confusion. My argument is that the bottom 80% of men have always struggled and will always for that matter. The difference os that its never been a better time for the top 20% Also if I'm providing a statement for 20% of the worlds make population than how can it be about me?
If someone like you is "rejecting 95% of woman" then that would seem to justify that it is a Golden Age for men? What point are you attempting to make?

[OneViewpoint]

My point is that if it's only good for a handful of us, it is by definition shitty for most men. That does not make it a "Golden Age" for people overall. The bottom 80% never struggled as badly as they struggle in a social media enabled dating world. I don't need to get hit on by 4-5 women every time I go out. Hell, I don't want to be hit on by most women. A lot of the women have become absolutely delusional due to social media. Dumb as a fucking bag of rocks. I guess you have lower standards. And zero empathy. Humans do poorly when presented with too many choices. That's my point.

[Vegasrunner]

@OneViewpoint Dating has always been shitty for LV men, that how dating in capitalistic countries work. However at least you're provided the opportunity to raise your status, instantly making dating easier. Whether you "need to get hit on" isn't relevant, however the fact that 4, 5 random girls hit on you would seem to correlate w/ dating success for men, as most men don't get hit on at all by woman. So your position doesn't make sense. You're attempting to make the argument that the bottom 80% don't have options while simultaneously using options to justify male dating success. You're essentially arguing for something, that you admit even you don't go through. Humans typically do better with choice which is why we have anti trust laws and different consumer brands. Let me summarize your position. You believe that most men are struggling w/ women but you don't want to admit that you are so you're attempting to convey that you have this daily selection of women who approach you, but somehow none of those women are good enough for you because you have so many options but not having options is the metric your using to gage general male dating success?

[CuriousFlo03]

It is shitty for most men. It's even unfair. But the solution isn't to whine about it on the internet. As men it's our responsibility to fix problems. Not complain about them all day.

[OneViewpoint]

OK, thanks for self identifying as a red pill incel. We're done moron. Good luck on your mom's couch.

[Vegasrunner]

@CuriousFlo03 That's such an interesting point. The title of the post ask why it's a Golden Age, yet you find so many comments focused on the negative. My personal opinion is that its never been a better time for men, so why was that part ignored?

[jshm2]

LoL, what planet you living on? There is very little "dating" going on.

Most of it is just legalised prostitution or dick slinging at best.

Can hardly call any of it good for anything.

[Vegasrunner]

@jshm2 Interesting, what are some reasons you're struggling so much?

[Pohjolan]

With each bigger social shift there is winners and losers.

Dating is now more looks based and long term relationships are less in demand.

Winners are fuckboys, sluts and women seeking a long term relationship.

Biggest losers are guys seeking a long term relationship failing to compete with their looks.

I'd advice them to start saving for a companion bot.

[RavVid]

It was probably better when the dating pool was smaller. An abundance of choice leads to indecision. Everybody would like the pick of the litter.

[exitseven]

If it is so great, why does everyone keep saying what a horror show the dating world is?

[Vegasrunner]

@exitseven Excellent question. Its the squeaky wheel gets the grease theory. Most people get more attention bringing up negatives vs highlighting the positive. This question is a great example of that. The original questions only focuses on the success or positive, yet nearly every answer is a negative. This is made even odder considering there's no reason to introduce negativity into this question, if you weren't having success you could just ignore the question. Also most people hold a superiority complex making it important to for them to feel as if someone is doing worse than them. Notice how many people say how bad dating is yet, are quick to bring up the fact that they are doing well. Read @OneViewpoint or @Zack-Bann and ask yourself why they are convinced it's so bad for everyone else yet, they are doing just fine?

[Shehnaz]

Dating yes to some extent. Relationship wise this is the worse age.

[SunnyCaliGirl]

In my personal experience I never had any luck with dating apps

[Vegasrunner]

@SunnyCaliGirl What does that have to do with the question?

[Anonymous]

Not really. All the best men aren't on dating apps.

[CuriousFlo03]

Then get off the apps and look for them irl

[Opinion Owner]

@CuriousFlo03 Im married.

[Vegasrunner]

@Anonymous Interesting. Why did you choose to use dating apps as a metric?

[sophie555]

I hate this age in dating. I do have a lot of dating apps but that’s because dating has become so difficult face to face. I wish I was born when courting was still a thing, and not everything was about sex. It’s annoying now

[Anonymous]

golden age of dating?

fuck no, society is collapsing and there'll be a revolution from men when women can no longer control them

[Vegasrunner]

@anonymous Well it won't be a revolution from men because the top 20% of men are having a great time, and the other 80% aren't going to challenge us.

[Opinion Owner]

it doesn't have to be the entirety of the bottom 80% of men

the Taliban consisting of 20,000 men overtook an entire country alone

one dude Luigi Mangione alone was able to strike fear into the hearts of the elites by himself

many of the anti-immigration protests in many western countries have shown it's only a matter of time before vigilantism becomes the norm

in Nepal, the young men are overthrowing their government as we speak

aside from the fact the top 20% of men are outnumbered by the bottom 80% of men, the top 20% of men aren't necessarily all equipped to fight back and suppress the bottom 80%

[Vegasrunner]

@Opinion Owner Lol, that's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard. The top 20% are the most fit, most athletic and strongest. The bottom 80% are fat slobs sitting in their couch. They would get their assessment kicked.

[Opinion Owner]

is that how you would describe Trump? Elon Musk? Jeff Bezos? Mark Zuckerberg? most fit, athletic and strongest?

most pro-athletes and some movie stars, sure

yet the bottom 80% comprises of farmers, construction workers, laborers, police, soldiers and other men who are generally considered "uneducated brutes"

[Vegasrunner]

@Opinion Actially both Musk and Zuckerberg are trained martial artist, not to mention they have the money and resources to simply higher people to defend them. Yes, and that bottom 80% you mentioned lacks the physicality, intelligence and financial amd political resources to be a threat.

[linguistrosey]

We are not. Dating used to be something that lead to marriage. Now, it's harder to find someone to commit to even, let alone getting married to

[Vegasrunner]

@linguistrosey But marriage only benifits females. Now men have an abundance of options to choose from the way women did for so many years. Or are you saying you don't want equality?

[linguistrosey]

@Vegasrunner if you're a redpiller, then stay in your perpetual adolescence and don't reproduce. **I'm not a feminist, I'm Catholic.** I don't believe in divorce. I don't believe that men and women are made equal, they are complementary. Each has their own duties towards their families and God. You will not be saying that marriage only benefits women when you're in your wheelchair and have absolutely nobody to take care of you.

[Vegasrunner]

@linguistrosey That's an odd take. I make a post claiming this is the Golden Age of Dating. Yet, you're advocating for not reproducing? Please share one way marriage benifits men?

[linguistrosey]

@Vegasrunner yes, YOU don't reproduce. You're Indian lmao

[Vegasrunner]

@linguistrosey TY for sharing, however I'm still not sure what any of this has to do with the question. Are you sure you responded to the correct post?

[linguistrosey]

Refer to my OP. You ought to improve your reading comprehension instead of watching redpill slop

[Vegasrunner]

@linguistrosey Your original opinion attempts to corelate marriage with dating success yet when asked to provide a benifit for men you are unable to do so.

[linguistrosey]

>Benifit
Lmao

[Vegasrunner]

@linguistrosey This validates my point.

[linguistrosey]

Validate this dick, nigga lmao

[Vegasrunner]

@linguistrosey Great comeback. This only strengthens my position.

[WonderingManII]

NO I think it has gotten worse. Technology in dating has made it worse.

[Vegasrunner]

@wonderingmanii Really why are you struggling?

[WonderingManII]

@Vegasrunner I'm not merely struggling. It's impossible for me. You can't date when there is no single women. I can't expect anyone to understand. I'm in a special situation that most people are not in. I spent years, and I mean years on dating sties, working and attending church. Those were all the places I should of had a chance at meeting a single woman, and I went through my entire teenage years without finding a woman that would like me. I went through my 20s without finding a single woman that would like me. I went through my 30s without finding a single woman that would like me. Now I am in my 40s. That is why I call it impossible for me. I accept it, but whenever I get a chance to complain, I do. Makes me feel better to complain.

[Vegasrunner]

@wonderingmanii You simply fall into the 80% loser men category. It's always berm difficult for those guys to date. Part of the problem is you guys try to date like women. Dating sites, church? Those are places are designed for women to find men not the other way around. Meanwhile you haven't figured out that it's a golden age because guys like you have dropped out, making it even easier for top tier men to get what they want. Please keep complaining, ill keep banging these chicks.

[Anonymous]

No it's not.

The end of patriarchy will be the golden age of dating, because women will start taking more initiative.

[Vegasrunner]

@Anonymous How would that help anything?

[Opinion Owner]

Because then I would have the chance to find a girlfriend.
Present-day girls are too passive/submissive, I need a dominant girl who likes to make the first move.

[Vegasrunner]

@Anonymous Lol, that's not going to work. Just improve yourself. Women are literally throwing themselves at the top guys. Hit the gym focus on your money and stop acting like a female and you'll be fine.

[Opinion Owner]

I'm too shy, so I can't make the first move.
I used to go to the gym, but nothing happened, all I could do, is to watch hot girls workout, but I wasn't able to ask them out, I'm afraid of rejection.

[Vegasrunner]

@Opinion Owner The end of patriarchy was a while ago, and you're still a loser so perhaps it's you who needs to change?

[Opinion Owner]

Nope, most girls are still passive/submissive (influenced by the patriarchal society), therefore - the society needs to change.

[Vegasrunner]

@Opinion Owner how woukd you know? You've never been with any.

[Opinion Owner]

They never showed any kind of initiative... ok, maybe they just don't like me, I'm not rich or handsome, but if I can't be with any of the girls that I like, then I'd rather stay single.

[Vegasrunner]

@Opinion Owmer Lol, it's your job to show initiative. If you want to stay single I can promise you no one cares, it's a problem you'll need to fix.

[Opinion Owner]

No, it's not "my job", that's just a thing imposed by the patriarchal society.
That's why I'm against it.
Patriarchal upbringing is a bad influence on women... that's why they are not showing initiative.

[Vegasrunner]

@Opinion Owner Yes, if you want to actually get woman it is your job to show initiative. Same way if you want to eat it's your job to go out an earn money. Nothing in this life is handed to you and the sooner you accept that the better off you will be.

[Opinion Owner]

I know a few guys that were lucky enough... the girls they liked showed initiative, and they are in a happy relationship... they didn't have to do anything, and now they have girlfriends.
The problem is - I'm not lucky, and the damn patriarchal society is making it even worse for me.

[Vegasrunner]

@Opinion Owner Statistically that's not realistic not to mention you're ignoring all the work those guys have to do to keep the girl. You're making up something that's not true to justify your actions. My point is how can someone like you weigh in on dating when you're not even able to date?

[Opinion Owner]

Nope, I'm not making up anything, the girl asked them out, they were lucky, I'm not - that's why I'm not able to date, it's cause of the damn patriarchy.
Without patriarchy, more girls would take initiative, and then - maybe I would have a chance.

[Vegasrunner]

@Opinion Owner You kind of are. Not to mention you're leaving out a bunch of relevant details. How old were the girls, how attractive were the girls, etc. The irony is you're kind of making my point for me. One of the reasons it's a Golden Age is because guys like you have given up, meaning there are fewer attention givers that women actually want. You're theory is also batshit crazy because reality is it's unlikely the "patriachy" will ever end much less in your lifetime. Also if you've given up as you said why are you complaining on a relationship platform?

[Opinion Owner]

Nope, I'm not, honestly, that's the truth.
Relevant details?
It happened about two decades ago.
Both girls were attractive, one is just my type, the other not so much, but still pretty.
The first girl was 18 years old, the other one was 23.
What other details would you like to know? Their horoscope signs? Cause I know that too!

You have no point, because... I still give attention to girls I like, but what's the point? I know that nothing is going to happen, because of the damn patriarchy.
I know that patriarchy won't end so soon, but I don't care about this crappy life anymore.
Why do I complain? What else can I do? Nothing.
So no, there is no "gold age of dating", that's just a fairy tale.

[Vegasrunner]

@Opinion Owner If you are still allowing something that happened over 20 years ago preventing you from happiness then I have all the info I need.
You've kind of made my entire point. Those girls don't want you. 20-30 years ago they may have had no choice but to settle for someone like you, a self loathing loser. Woman don't want that, today because of the increase in technology, and the world become a smaller place that same woman has a chance to meet a winner like me. This means everyone is happy, HV giys get more women to run through and women at least get a shot at winners, while loser like yourself don't get to reproduce. This is truly the Golden Age. TY for being you.

[Opinion Owner]

I was not interested in those girls, they were just an example.
I was interested in some other girls, and they didn't want me, or at least they didn't take the initiative, because of the damn patriarchy.

LoL, dude, you're older than me, you're almost half a century old, girls don't want you, unless you're a gerontophile.
You might find some cougar.
Yep, Golden Girls, that's your Golden Age ;)

[Vegasrunner]

@Opinion Owner How would you know what women want if you've never been w/ any?

[Opinion Owner]

Different women want different things, even I know that.
Most girls who like me are unattractive to me... whilst girls I like are not interested in me.
Maybe somewhere there is an ideal girl for me, but with my luck, she probably lives on another continent.

[Vegasrunner]

@Opinion Owner If I understand your complaint you haven't been w/ any women so how would you know? All you can do is speculate. The entire point of the post is woman don't want women like you so they gravitate to the to 20% of men. While you're crying, about your luck, HV men will be spending their Friday night banging some chick who's name I can't even remember. The golden age.

[Opinion Owner]

Yes, I can speculate, but I can also learn from experiences of my friends, neighbors, work colleagues, college and school colleagues, my brother, and my cousins.

What makes you think that you are in 20% of men desired by the girls?
If you don't look like a male supermodel, then... Oh, I get it, you're probably rich, right?

[Vegasrunner]

@Opinion Owner It's only learning if you are able to validate those experiences. You'll never know if a parachute works until you open one when you need it.

[Opinion Owner]

I validated their experiences as unachievable for me, because:
I'm not very attractive (at least not in my opinion)
I'm not rich
I lack self-confidence, and I'm too shy, I don't have any seductive skills

[Vegasrunner]

@Opinion Owner How does that refute the fact that this is a Golden Age of dating?

[Opinion Owner]

From my point of view, it's not. Maybe it is Golden Age of dating for someone who is lucky.
But I doubt that most people feel that lucky.

[Vegasrunner]

@Opinion Owner but you're a self proclaimed loser.

[Opinion Owner]

Am I the only one? I don't think so.
Luck is very rare on this world, that's why it's so valuable.

[Vegasrunner]

Opinion Owner According to you yes you're the only one. All your friends were lucky, I'm lucky

[Opinion Owner]

Not all of my friends have girlfriends, but most of them do - That doesn't mean all of them were lucky.
Only two of them were lucky, as I mentioned (their girlfriends made the first move).

The others had to try really hard to get a girlfriend (I can't do that, as I said, I'm too shy, introverted, and I lack self-confidence).

Some of them had to settle for ugly, or fat girls, or even older women (I would never do that, just like I said, if I can't be with any of the girls I like, I would rather stay single).

[Vegasrunner]

@Opinion Owner Highlights another reason why it's the Golden Age, girls don't have to deal w/ guys like you or your loser friends and can focus on trying to retain HV men

[Opinion Owner]

What reason is that? Besides them being negatively influenced by patriarchy...

HV men are 18, or in their 20s, or 30s, you're not in that category.

[Vegasrunner]

@Opinion Owner Lol, This explains why you're single. An 18 yro old man is the lowest in the totem pole. They are broke, have limited resources and provide little to nothing to society. This is why an 18 year old girl can get into a nightclub but a 18 year old man is stuck outside. Men have to earn their value and it takes time to do that. If someone would have explained that to you, you would probably be in a much better place vs complaining about not being able to get a woman.

[Opinion Owner]

So you are rich? No wonder you're so smug. I guess you like gold-diggers...
Sure, if I were rich, I wouldn't have any problems in getting a girl that I like.

[Vegasrunner]

@Opinion Owner You're simply making up what you want to hear, to justify your failures. The original question is why it's a Golden Age of dating, the answer is because men like you aren't involved in it.

[Opinion Owner]

Nope, I'm not making up anything, you said that 18 years old men are "broke, have limited resources and provide little to nothing to society" - It's obvious that you value people in a materialistic way.

I'm not involved in dating just because I'm not desperate to be with just about any girl, as I explained.

[Vegasrunner]

@Opinion Owner This is great conversation because it helps demonstrate to young men the traits that the 80% have and that successful people dont. Wealth isn't a zero sum game just because one person isn't broke doesn't mean the next is rich. My value system varies based on gender in centers around intelligence for men and beauty for women. This is another area you seem to lack and explains why you've failed w/ women for so long. Society as a whole only values men if the provide something, if you do then women become a by product of that success. Since you have no money, and no women it is safe to assume you are not successful. This explains why it's a Golden Age in dating. If you werent desperate why would you respond to a post highlighting mens success? Whether you're desperate or not women don't want you, because unlike 30 or 40 years ago they have more options and are now choosing to be w/ men of value, ironically all this has done is provide more options for top 20% like me. You've provided tangible proof of this fact, would you mind if I shared this conversation w/ the young men I mentor?

[Opinion Owner]

Oh I do have money, but I'm not rich, therefore, I'm not successful.

I responded to the post because I have my opinion, that doesn't mean I'm desperate.
Desperate people would settle for just about any woman, but not me.
Desperate men would f**k a hole in an old tree...

That's why I realized that you must be rich, considering you're not in your 20s or 30s.
Sure, you can share it with your pupil, don't forget to teach him the art of arrogance and mocking the less fortunate people.

[Vegasrunner]

@Opinion Owner If you have money and still can't get women why did you think men need money to get women. Kind an odd belief you hold, the men who are actually having sex are desperate but the guy crying about no women wants him isn't? I guess you could make the argument that you've quit, but that would mean being desperate was an upgrade?
That's another flaw in your argument, women are valued fot their youth, men are valued for your resources. Something like 30% of men under 30 are virgins or haven't had sex in a year, so equating male youth to dating success is another flaw, in your thinking that has proably kept you single for so long.
TY, technically you would be teaching them this as your statements are complete w/ arrogance and self mocking. Hopefully you get the help you need.

[Opinion Owner]

As I said, I'm not rich, many women want men who has a lot of money.
I know there are some men who don't have money, and still have sex - but they are skilled in lying to women, especially to naive and gullible women... I would never do that.

Men who actually have sex can be desperate - because they settled for unattractive, obese or older women... I'm not desperate because I clearly stated that I won't settle for just about any woman.
Therefore, settling for someone that I don't find attractive is obviously not an upgrade.

It's not a flaw, younger men can have more sex than older men, women know that.
Also, women usually find them more attractive.
However, you are right about this - many women value men for their resources - But that was actually a part of my argument (I said that rich guys have more luck with women).

I'm not arrogant, you are... I'm not the one bragging about my alleged success with women.
Also, you're mocking me for being a virgin.
The only help I need is winning a lottery (or something like that ) :P

[Vegasrunner]

@Opinion Owner Sounds like you're fighting really hard for mediocrity. First you claimed you have money now you claim you not rich?
Doesn't even make sense if a man is having sex, then he had achieved his dating goal a randoms person's subjective opinion of the woman is irrelevant.
Statistically younger men don't, and there a bunch of obvious reasons for this. Society has fought hard to convince men like you that men and woman are equal therefore in your head you believe youth for a man equates to sex, but as I like to point out this belief is held by a man who doesn't have sex.
Actually women value men for a multitude of things resources is just one, unfortunately for you you don't understand this and are unable to take advantage of all the opportunities available to men rn. Instead of self improving its easier for you to whine, complain and make excuses. Those type of men are categorized as loser and woman don't want them.
I haven't personally "bragged" about anything, I simply posed a question and responded w/ a fact based POV. I didn't realize you were a virgin until just now, but no I'm not "mocking you" I'm using your rhetoric to show future HV men not want to do, because most men don't want to be virgins.
Even if you won the lottery it wouldn't help you because you, don't understand what it actually takes to be successful with women.

[Opinion Owner]

I said I don't have a lot of money, therefore, I do have money, but I'm obviously not rich.
By rich I mean millionaire, or billionaire.

Again, your theory is flawed... the goal of most men is not just dating and having sex, it's actually dating and having sex with an attractive woman.
Without the attraction, I don't care for either dating or sex.

Most guys I know who are successful, and by successful I mean they are having hot girlfriends, are in their 20s and 30s.

Ok, so what kind of advantages or opportunities are available to men? Cause I haven't noticed any... How can I start self improving?
You didn't realize I'm a virgin until just now?
But I told you I never had any kind of relationship... that's what I meant, I never had a date, I never had a kiss... all of my loves were unrequited, get it?

Well, if I would win the lottery, I would be rich, and most girls like rich guys, as you said "guys who have resources, guys who can provide" - I wouldn't have to do much, they would start taking initiative.

[Vegasrunner]

@Opinion Owner If you believe you need to be a millionaire to get women then you may be suffering from delusion brought on from scrolling social media to much.
The overwhelming goal of most men in dating is to get laid and this is backed up by anyone willing to invest money into that theory, including you. As you have categorized yourself as a failure because of your i ability to attract women.
Sense you're not successful it's unlikely you know "successful people" Also if that were true then you're an even bigger loser because you would be surrounded by hot girls yet still unable to pull any.
There a ton, unfortunately for you your ignorance and inexperience will always prevent you from benefiting from them.
Correct I didn't realize you were a virgin, however that make sense considering your POV. It's odd that you don't realize that you being a virgin, and holding the view u do only validates my original point. You mentioned you were ugly and poor, do you have a learning defect as well?
Unfortunately what you quickly learn to understand that resources are only one of the many requirements woman want in a man. Believing all you need to do is be rich and women will magically show up, is a fairytale appropriate for a man of your low value to hold. However if a normal man "won the lottery" after some trial and error they would find that in order to attract women men must be superior in numerous areas. The spoils of the work it takes to be superior are the many women that come. I realize this is something as you said you would never experience so I appreciate this opportunity to educate you on it.

[Opinion Owner]

Don't try to manipulate, I never said I need to be a millionaire to get women - But I do need to be a millionaire to get a very attractive woman.
I could easily get a woman if I were desperate enough to be with ugly, fat, or old women... but I don't want that.

"The overwhelming goal of most men in dating is to get laid" - If the girl is attractive.
If not, what's the point? I don't need that... as I said, guys like that are willing to f**k a hole in a tree.

Being unsuccessful doesn't mean I don't know any successful people.
Yes, I know many hot girls, but as I said, I don't have any luck with girls I like (probably because I'm not a millionaire).
Oh I'm definitely not "ignorant", but I do lack experience (thanks to the damn patriarchy - most women don't take any initiative).
So what can I benefit from, tell me mr genius?
I'm actually very good at learning, I know many things about history, geography, biology and many other things, but when it comes to girls, I don't know much.

What other areas do you think men must be good at?
As far as I know, most women like either guys who are rich, or guys who are attractive (preferably both).
Of course, they claim they want a guy who is "funny and intelligent", but those are just fairy tales.

[Vegasrunner]

@Opinion Owner You don't have anything anyone wants, why would they manipulate you? There are plenty non millionaire with attractive woman every day. That's a ridiculous statement that makes you sound crazy, perhaps take a break from social media.
That's just biology, you don't have to like it but it's a fact of life.
You don't have success with girls you like be cause you're a loser with nothing to offer. By definition if you don't have experience, you can't know what you don't know. You personally can't benifit from anything because your to busy teaching others about things you have no experience of That's another loser trait. However men who listen can learn a lot, about how to be attractive to women as a man. Again you're speaking like a woman, thinking that 1 specific improvement ='s success. It is very hard to be attractive to woman as a man as you are finding out. I realize you've don't want to hear this because society trains you to believe the world is about equality. Because it is difficult to be a HV man, men that are attractive to woman typically like to enjoy a bunch of them. Since you're not willing to put in the work, you don't get to enjoy the spoils. It's pretty simple. I'm actually getting ready to bang this broad in about an hour so I'll help you some more tomorrow.

[Opinion Owner]

Nobody is manipulating me, you were just trying to manipulate my words.
Yes, there are guys who are not millionaires with hot girlfriends, but those guys are handsome.
The reason why I have nothing to offer is because I'm not a millionaire, and/or I'm not naturally handsome as those guys.
As I explained, I don't have experience but I can learn from other people's experiences.
I'm not teaching anyone, you're the one who is pretending to be some kind of educator.
LoL, how am I speaking like a woman? Sure I want to hear this, explain.
I know that it's not easy to be attractive to woman as a man who is not either rich, or handsome.
What should I put in the work?
Hmm, ok, if you say so, enjoy it ;)

[Vegasrunner]

@Opinion Owner You responded to my post blaming an intangible system for your failures. I can't "manipulate" your words, if you don't like them choose more appropriate words. It's telling how invested you are in convincing yourself that 1 specific trait is what attracts women to men. We're you born a man, because this is more a female trait. As I have repeatedly told you, it's not one trait that makes a man attractive to females, whether you accept it or not, women are extremely picky, and want the best man meaning he must, be tall, handsome, have money, have status, be educated, etc, etc until you accept that you'll continue to be a failure. You don't have anything to offer because you don't know what you're doing. You can observe but until you take action it's all theory. Watching a million Football games doesn't make someone a great QB. You're actually teaching, a lot you're providing a template to the type of guys that fail with women. Think about it logically, how would behaving like you help any man get woman?
You're making the mistake that what attracts a man to a woman is what attracts women to men. A woman only needs one trait, be attractive and that is enough, a man needs to have a bunch of traits, the fact that you're a virgin makes some sense that you don't know this, however if you've ever approached a woman this fact should be obvious. TBH it's more likely you're a woman pretending to be a man, because of your reluctance to admit how superior a man needs to be to have success w/ women. If you truly understood how hard men had to work to actually get woman your would be more receptive to way men need multiple women vs your odd obsession w/ finding "The one"

[Opinion Owner]

That system is well known for centuries...
My words are quite appropriate, but you are trying to twist them.
Both men and women can actually be attracted by one trait (physical, mental, emotional or financial).
So what, I'm very picky too, that's one of many reasons why I can't get the type of girls I like.
I'm not very tall, so what can I do about it? Stretch myself?
I'm not very handsome, so what can I do, plastic surgery to make me look like some movie star?
I have money, but I'm not rich... all I have to do is win the lottery, lol...
I don't have any relevant status, so what can I do, become a politician?
I'm quite well educated, but that never helped.
Yes, I already said that I don't know what to do.
I can't take action because I'm too shy, there aren't any pills for that.
I know that I can't become a great football player by just watching games...
What kind of template am I providing?
There are bunch of other guys who fail for completely different reasons - some of them are rude and annoying to girls, others are violent or drug/alcohol addicts, etc.
Nobody is following my example, I'm completely irrelevant when it comes to dating.
I never approached a woman, because whenever I see a hot girl, I get frozen, I don't know what to say, because I lack self-confidence, so if she doesn't take initiative, there is nothing I can do.
A few times, some friends introduced me with some girls, but those girls just friend-zoned me.
No, I'm not a woman, just a virgin who never had a relationship, or any kind of intimacy.
It's not possible for so many guys to be "superior" - to be successful with women... as you know, some men are very popular, others are just average, or below average.
Workaholics usually don't care about women, all they care about is their career, so why do you think that men have to work hard to get an attractive woman?
Ok, so I'm looking for "The one", but several girls had that role in my life... and all of my loves were unrequited.

[Anonymous]

The genuine people will always be few and far between. It will always take work to find them. As it should be. Good things are worth that effort.

[captain_voidwalker]

What are you fucking high. Dating is shit today and marriage has gone extinct

[Vegasrunner]

@captain_voidwalker Interesting, why are you struggling?

[captain_voidwalker]

Ohh me it's because I'm so ugly when I walk through a hospital burn ward the patients day "god damn at least I'm not that guy"
But my dating failures aren't a mystery.

[Vegasrunner]

@captain_voidwalker Looks aren't a pre-requisite for male dating success. For womem they are.

[captain_voidwalker]

That's not entirely true. Admittedly it matters less to women it dosen't mean looks dont mater at all to women.

[Vegasrunner]

@captain_voidwalker Nah it's true. There's 1000's of objectively ugly men that have the world's most beautiful women on there are. There are no ugly women w/ rich, successful HV men.

[captain_voidwalker]

Well yeah any man can have a prostitute with enough money but thats not having a loving relationship that's having a transactional relationship

[Vegasrunner]

@captain_voidwalker I never mentioned anything about a prostitute that's just a fallacy you created in an attempt to justify the fact you understand my point is valid.

[captain_voidwalker]

Whatever you say

[Vegasrunner]

@captain_voidwalker Glad I could educate you, however whinning and creating conventional falsehoods won't solve your problem. As the question says it's the Golden Age of dating, now I didn't add in that this is only for men who don't act like feminine bitches you're a man or at least pretending to be one in this conversation. Stop worrying about looks, the advantage you have is that if you simply increase your status you will increase your attractiveness to women. Woman don't have thos luxury, so what they done is try to convince you that women and men are equal. So now instead of focusing on the things that will actually solve your problem your spending your time weighing in on a subject you have little experience on.

[captain_voidwalker]

Again Whatever you say

[Vegasrunner]

@captain_voidwalker Perfect, now get to action.

[captain_voidwalker]

Nah, to much work for 0 rewards

[Vegasrunner]

@captain_voidwalker Thats fine, but then how can you make a claim that's it not the Golden age of dating?

[captain_voidwalker]

Go look up a few statistics, I'm sure you know how to use Google

[Meatballs]

Right now yes but who knows what the future and AI has cooked up... Vegas

[qwerty2469]

We have AI and sex robots. Women are obsolete. Yes. The golden age of dating

[spartan55]

Sure doesn't seem like it.

[CuriousFlo03]

I can tell you I used to struggle with dating. A lot. Wasn't even able to lose my virginity u til last year. Thankfully something clicked and I have options now, I don't struggle anymore to find a decent woman to date. If someone were to ask you: what would be your biggest hurdle when it comes to daring today?

[Vegasrunner]

@CuriousFlo03 Nice, as I said we are living in the Golden Age.

[McLlovin]

😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤦🏽‍♂️

[Nemesis2k7]

The golden age of STD’s

[Vegasrunner]

@nemesis2k7 That was the 80's

[Filthy_Immigrant]

yeah only if you are Brad Pitt

[Jltakk]

Absolutely not, we're in the dark ages.

[Vegasrunner]

@Jltakk Really? Why are you struggling?

[Slim57]

I'd say it's the opposite, worst age of dating

[Vegasrunner]

@Slim57 Really, why are you struggling?

[Slim57]

Not struggling anymore, found someone, but people are superficial, made worse by online social media, and dating sites, where the bottom of the barrel people are in the dating pool, I had to get away from that to find someone worth dating

[Vegasrunner]

@Slim57 Odd if you've "found someone" that seems to support the golden age theory. TY for proving my point.

[Slim57]

I've struggled most of my life to find a good partner, if you're talking about finding a girl just to sleep with of course it's easy, but today finding someone who's actually willing to be in a committed relationship is tough

[Vegasrunner]

@Slim57 You've struggled most of your life but have now found someone, seems like that literally constitutes a Golden Age no?