Are men that are seen as being thirsty or desperate just men that women don't find attractive to begin with?

[Chthou95]

Regardless of how they come off

[ManOnFire]

Yes. But even other men will think this about a guy just because they see him talking to a female period. But in general, yes, if a woman doesn't think a man is physically attractive to her, she ridiculously ties that to him being a bad person based on her perception of looks alone. This is why I say women are more visual/care about looks in a person to a much higher degree than men do.

[Chthou95]

You could make that argument

[Chazmatazz269]

100% There’s nothing that a very attractive man could do to be described as “creepy” and there’s nothing that ugly men can do to NOT be described as “creepy”.

[HawkPerception]

I'd say that's accurate. But women can also smell desperation a mile away and are easily deterred by it, so that's a factor.

[Noredcarpet]

I think it does not feel personal, u see him flirting with basically anyone. I hsven't gone for that, for that reason. Then again I always feel bad for guys in general as it is still the attitude to take the first step. Had I been a guy that would not work for me. It is easy to critizice but have I done ut mysrlf? No. God knows how I would come off, I don't even want to think about it, lol.

[queenofcardio]

Yes. I get turned off if I feel that a man is desperate.

[Chthou95]

Do you like a man that has determination?

[Telekinetic-Potato]

It's guys who don't know how to manage woman's emotions

[yeahimadude]

most studies show the majority of women are not genuinely attracted to thirsty/ desperate men.

[Chthou95]

What's the difference between being desperate and determination?

[yeahimadude]

How much pride and self worth you're willing to give up.

[yeahimadude]

With determination you dont give up your self worth the only thing you'll be giving is the time

[Chthou95]

Couldn't giving time still be seen as desperation if the woman isn't attracted to you?

[yeahimadude]

Oh yeah, if she's genuinely not attracted to you

[Zionne]

not really lol

[Chthou95]

Women like determination in men generally speaking. What's the difference between desperation and determination then?