Young people can't find love due to having too many choices while old people can't because they want the same options they had when they were young?

[Anonymous]

Agree or disagree?

Isn't it ironic?

[Anonymous]

You might he right about the young, but you're not right about the no longer young. I'm not old, i consider myself, "seasoned".😆

Older people are just older young people. If a person gets older and decides not to mature he/she just becomes an immature older person. Now there might be a lot of older women out there that want to date young. But i don't have a problem dating women my age. But you need to understand good women DO NOT stay single. If she's my age and single there is likely a very good reason why. Also it's very easy to sell a brand new car. It's not so easy to sell a car with 4 bald tires, a leaky transmission, and burns oil. The older women would be the car in this scenario😆 They still however can be sold. But NOT when they are trying to command new car prices. And i'm not saying there aren't HIDDEN gems out there. But they are typically hidden. And they are still rare.

It's funny because this is the internet hyperbole reigns. We like to say women have their value when they're young. And men have their value when their older. And there is a NUGGET of truth in this. Women are young and attractive when they're young. It doesn't mean they don't have value when they're older. But they have to be more than a pretty face. And some women NEVER evilve beyond that face. So when she loses her looks she has NOTHING to fall back on. Men are a dime a dozen when were young. Most attractive women KNOW she can have near ANY man. And a lot of them regard men as such. But as men get older they procure skills, reputation, and assets that add to their overall value. At some point (age) the value of your avg. Man surpasses that of your avg. Woman. Now men become the hunted. Except that women will never admit to that. And those women just become more bitter. It's not that (good) men don't want relationships. It's that they know if they choose the wrong woman (and at this point most of the dating pool will be wrong women). It's that choosing the wrong woman can undo years. of work on himself, possibly decades.

[Asker]

I'm sorry, man. Men do not increase in value as they get older, sagging, wrinklier, balder, dicks malfunctioning. How often do you see hot 25 yr olds dating 45 yr olds? Almost never

[Asker]

It's just that men lie to themselves to feel better.
95% of the time a young woman would want an old man is because she either has daddy issues or is looking for an ATM

[Opinion Owner]

Thank you for illustrating my point.😆👍 Though at 25-29 you shouldn't be this bitter yet. You're kind of ahead of schedule. Things must not be going well for you.

[Asker]

I'm 28 and I will never go for a man your age. All of the girls my age are dating guys in their 30s

[Opinion Owner]

Like i said. It's not that men don't want relationships. But we can only take what's offered. Sometimes sex is the ONLY eorthwhile thing a woman has to offer. It's ok for a young woman to treat a guy as an ATMA if he doesn't mind it. It's transactional. But everyone is getting what they want. Right?

[Opinion Owner]

Ok, why would i care whether you'd go for a man my age? What exactly are we talking about here? Are you venting?😆

[Asker]

Young women may treat you like an ATM while she cheats on you with a younger hotter man who she is actually attracted to.

[Asker]

A young man with a dick that actually works

[Opinion Owner]

Young women don't treat me like anything. I can't imagine i'd ever be attracted to a woman any younger than 32. Women younger than that are simply too immature for me.

[Asker]

Even 32 yr olds won't want you. The only time where a 32 yr old would want an old wrinkly saggy man with a dick that doesn't work is If no other man wants her. Then she will settle for someone like you

[Asker]

Realistically, most 32 yr olds still have options

[Opinion Owner]

Yes, that's probably why the 32 year old i'm currently dating asked me out. Because i was her OPTION.😆

[Asker]

@opinion owner

No high value woman with options will ever want an old saggy wrinkly ass man with a malfunctioning dick like you unless no other man wanted her.

I'm pretty sure no one has ever asked you out

[Asker]

I have seen 38 yr old single moms go for men like you though.

[Opinion Owner]

Why are you so angry?😆 What exactly offends you so much about my success? I think it's my stability that attracts her.
I've actually had a lot of women ask me out. Is it as much as women get asked out by men. Not likely. But i never claimed that. And actually the majority of them has been after i turned 40. Which only illustrates my point.

[Opinion Owner]

Inlaugh at your silly terms like "high value" and you wonder why you have trouble keeping men.😆

[Opinion Owner]

Nothing wrong with a 38 year old women, a 48, or a 58.

[Asker]

Just because I'm not attracted to 45 yr old men, it doesn't mean I'm angry

Just means you're offended

[Opinion Owner]

I'm not offended. I find your attempts to offend me amusing. And when i laugh at them you get twice as angry.

[Asker]

I'm actually not angry

You just thunk I'm angry cuz the truth feels harsh on you

I didn't mean to be harsh. I just speak the truth

[Opinion Owner]

Yeah, don't try to cover for yourself now. It doesn't work. Once you've already let your crazy out of the bag it's kind of obvious.😆

[Asker]

Insult me all you want, doesn't mean what I've said wasn't true

[Opinion Owner]

Who's insulting?

[BCRanger10]

I disagree.

I think having too many options is only part of the problem with younger people. Another problem is that so many of them have anxiety and spend more time scrolling than they do talking with real people. They don't know to charm or be charmed. And they're polarized politically.

And depending on how you're defining "old people", maybe they're divorced or widowed and just have the mindset of "been there, done that" and don't want to give it another try again.

That's just my opinion though.

[Nikki1989]

The problem is men these days actually believe their own bullshit and take advice from other clueless idiots who think of themselves as 'experts at relationships'.

Look at the anon nonsense posted on here.

[Asker]

yea its quite funny how these men think they get more attractive as they get fatter, wrinklier, saggier, balder, dick malfunctioning.

[RachyRach]

Disagree. I think young people are still maturing so it's hard to find someone who is stable.

[Chazmatazz269]

That’s true for women. For men it’s the opposite. Men chase beauty and women chase resources. As men age, they have more opportunities to earn and accumulate wealth and power. Therefore, for the vast majority of men, as men age their mating options expand, not shrink. There is a very small window in youth when attractive and charming males have an abundance of options. This is where the playboy and “f*ckboy” archetypes originate. As soon as a young man is old enough to work and be expected treat women to gifts and experiences, his options shrink. This begat the stereotype of the washed up high skool quarterback who never made anything of himself.
On the flip side, women are coveted for their beauty. When they’re young, their options are almost limitless. Beauty fades with age, and maintaining youthlike beauty is laborious and expensive. Even if a woman remains exceptionally beautiful, she will likely become jaded about how hard she has to try in order to attract fewer men, and those of lesser status to boot. Fortunately women’s sexual liberation freed them to chase the young men that are often overlooked by young women. Thus the “cougar” trope was born. More power to them, as long as their intended mates are of the age of majority and power dynamics aren’t being exploited.

[Asker]

In the United States, the average age gap between opposite-sex spouses is 2.2 years, according to Pew Research Center analysis of U. S. Census Bureau data.

www.google.com/search

No evidence that 25 yr olds are dating 40 yr olds.

[HawkPerception]

I don't consider myself a terrible looking guy. I'm pretty average, and I have absolutely no options of which you speak of. I suppose I am getting a bit old now that I'm in my 30s. I do notice a large difference between now and when I was in my 20s, but I really don't think I had option overload when I was in my 20s either.

This is only true for women. Especially on dating apps.

Tinder Study

[Asker]

That's only true If you are an attractive woman. I don't get that many messages from men. And if I do, they're usually low quality men

[HawkPerception]

"And if I do, they're usually low-quality men." Hypergamy is a proven statistical fact in society, and it didn't start recently. It's been a thing throughout history. Women always aim for the top percentage of men, whereas men tend to go for women around their level. How do you define a "low-quality man?"

[Asker]

Mentally ill, sexually predatory, broke, lazy, sexual addict, has no control over his emotions,

Just the same way men only want young, pretty, thin young women under 30. It's only these women who get plenty of hits on the apps. Not the chubby 34 yr old who gets ignored

[HawkPerception]

Just those terms you used alone speak volumes about you. Do you really think the majority of men fit those terms?

[Asker]

Most guys on the dating apps fit that description

Short guys, single dads, weirdos, societies rejects, mentally ill, secually predatory all on there

[HawkPerception]

Truth is, I can say the same about women I've found on dating apps. I swipe left and press X on probably 99% of them. They're mostly liberal, entitled, narcissistic, materialistic, illogical misandrists who expect men to pay for everything even though they believe in equal rights and equal pay. It doesn't make any sense. As soon as I see dyed hair or septum piercings, I dodge those too.

And I don't care if a girl is older, but the majority of men want families, and older women generally don't. They also tend to be more jaded and less open to new experiences. Those are just facts.

[Asker]

If a woman is taking your last name in marriage and doing all the work birthing, breastfeeding and raising your kids... then why should you pay for everything.

There is nothing equal about pregnancy, childbirth and breastfeeding. ESPECIALLY if she has to work a job while doing all 3 things

More and more women don't want to have kids nowadays because they are tired of making all the sacrifices. Realize bearing and raising children is 90% woman's job, not a man's job

[Asker]

@HawkPerception

[Asker]

If a woman is taking your last name in marriage and doing all the work birthing, breastfeeding and raising your kids... then why should ******SHE***** Pay for everything.

[HawkPerception]

Firstly, the concept of not taking a man's last name only came about in this generation. Taking a man's name was never seen as a sign of oppression or anything in previous generations.

Secondly, after giving birth, breastfeeding, and taking care of kids, there's something called maternity leave, until the parents are adjusted to handling their new life.

Thirdly, I never said women should pay for everything. I implied they should pay for themselves on dates when you're just getting to know each other. We have equal pay nowadays, so why do you think women's time is more valuable than a man's? Does she not also want to go on the date and get to know the guy? Why is it only the guy who takes all the risk. We already have to initiate 99% of the time. You can't even pay for your own time and food when getting to know someone? How does that seem fair?

After there's an established relationship, and she decides she wants to be a traditional girlfriend/wife, then I'd be happy to pay for everything. That's assuming she does the cooking and cleaning at home, which isn't a big task especially given the tools and devices we have available to us nowadays. I'd even be happy to do the harder physical tasks like doing the lawn, the shoveling, the garbage, or any handy jobs around the house.

And any good man would help with the kids as much as they can even after work. Because it's technically a full time job.

It's all about teamwork. But I feel most women see a man as an ATM and a free ride in physical labour nowadays.

[Asker]

studies show that married mothers do more housework than single mothers.
studies have shown that single childless women have longer healthier lives than married women with children.
studies have shown that married men live longer lives than single men, but married women don't necessarily live longer lives than single women

why do you think so many women are choosing not to have kids nowadays?

[It's all about teamwork. But I feel most women see a man as an ATM and a free ride in physical labour nowadays.]

why shouldn't you be treated as an ATM? you DIDN'T BIRTH the kids. You never stayed up all night BREASTFEEDING then having to head back to work the next morning. You never had the baby kicking at your belly all night so much that you can't even sleep. The baby did not ruin your body. You never had swollen feet or gestational diabetes or hypertension. You never had to endure the PAIN and suffering of labor. You never had to deal with morning sickness.

WHY SHOULDN'T YOU PAY FOR EVERYTHING?

if it weren't for womens suffering, you wouldn't ever have the chance of having kids.

[Asker]

[We have equal pay nowadays, so why do you think women's time is more valuable than a man's? Does she not also want to go on the date and get to know the guy? Why is it only the guy who takes all the risk. We already have to initiate 99% of the time. You can't even pay for your own time and food when getting to know someone? How does that seem fair?]

if you won't pay for my meal, it means you don't care about impressing me. Its the same as dressing in a suit for an interview. Better to be overdressed than underdressed because you desperately want the job. Not paying for a meal when you know you should is like saying "I don't really care about what you think of me" I can easily find a guy would be glad to pay for the date and that man will be much more likely to get a second date from me.

[After there's an established relationship, and she decides she wants to be a traditional girlfriend/wife, then I'd be happy to pay for everything. That's assuming she does the cooking and cleaning at home, which isn't a big task especially given the tools and devices we have available to us nowadays. I'd even be happy to do the harder physical tasks like doing the lawn, the shoveling, the garbage, or any handy jobs around the house.]

nobody cares about how much you want a woman to stay home to cook and clean for you if you can't provide her a good life. Most of you men shouldn't even be having kids cuz you can't afford them. That's why women need to suffer in pain standing at their jobs 8-12 hours a day while being heavily pregnant with swollen feet, nausea and back pain. It's not called materialistic, it is about taking good care of your family

[Asker]

You won't ever have kids unless a woman decide to DO GROW AND BIRTH THEM FOR YOU.

Men do absolutely nothing for their kids to come out.

Even after birth, women do 90% of the childcare. Men only show up when they feel like it.

If she GREW, CARRIED, BIRTHED, BREASTFEED the baby and you expect HER TO PAY all the bills, she is a single mom...

[HawkPerception]

"If you won't pay for my meal, it means you don't care about impressing me." Damn straight. Why should I have to go and impress a girl I just met? I can't just be myself? Is a girl going to be with me for my money or who I am as a person.

"Nobody cares about how much you want a woman to stay at home to cook and clean for you if you can't provide her a good life." Which part did I say I WANT a woman to stay at home to cook and clean? I said if she WANTS to be a traditional partner, then I'd be happy to provide that.

You're just proving more and more why most men wouldn't want to date you.

[HawkPerception]

And yes. There's something called a maternal instinct. Women are naturally more attuned to be nurturing and caregivers. It's why even after years of equal rights and more opportunities for women in the workplace, the majority of women still choose the same caregiving jobs

[Asker]

who said men don't want to date me?

I'm in a relationship

["If you won't pay for my meal, it means you don't care about impressing me." Damn straight. Why should I have to go and impress a girl I just met? I can't just be myself? Is a girl going to be with me for my money or who I am as a person.]

you already suck as a person... why would i want to go out on a date with someone who doesn't care to impress me? would you go on a date with a girl who is poorly dressed, smells, greasy hair, no makeup on because she just doesn't really care if you end up liking her?

[Which part did I say I WANT a woman to stay at home to cook and clean? I said if she WANTS to be a traditional partner, then I'd be happy to provide that.]

because you can't provide that. just because you want a woman to cook and clean, it does not mean she will want to do it for you.

you as a man who complains about paying for his woman, is the equivalent of complaining about you should care about your wife. Providing your family a good life means you need to be financially stable.

Smart women will run away fast at the first sight of you.

[HawkPerception]

Well now I feel bad for your man 😂

[Asker]

[And yes. There's something called a maternal instinct. Women are naturally more attuned to be nurturing and caregivers. It's why even after years of equal rights and more opportunities for women in the workplace, the majority of women still choose the same caregiving jobs]

yea... its the same reason why an increasing number of women don't want kids anymore. because they realize they don't want to go through what their mothers and grandmothers had gone through just to raise the next generation.

Women get no help or support in raising kids. Plenty of married single moms out there where dads disappear or do nothing.

[Asker]

[Well now I feel bad for your man ]

I feel bad for any woman who will want to be with you.

I'm pretty sure no woman will ever want to marry you though.

[HawkPerception]

And I don't understand. Did you not initially say "I don't get that many messages from men. And if I do, they're usually low quality men." If you're in a relationship why would you be getting messages from men unless you're on dating apps looking for a relationship?

[HawkPerception]

Well I'm glad we both established that we think neither of us are relationship material. I wish you the best in your "relationship." 🙏🏼😂

[Asker]

Because I used the dating app for years before I found my boyfriend.

[Asker]

[Well I'm glad we both established that we think neither of us are relationship material. I wish you the best in your "relationship." ]

the opinion of a biased, hateful, bitter, jaded, mysogynistic man does not matter.

if you think holding this mindset impresses women, you will just stay single forever.

women want to feel supported and cared for. Not a man who complains about having to pay for everything after she suffered tremendously to pop out 4 kids

[HawkPerception]

Look the mirror would you. You're the embodiment of a toxic modern woman

[Asker]

standing up to misogynists is not toxic.

[HawkPerception]

Just as standing up to illogical misandrists is not toxic.

[slatyb]

Disagree. Young people can't find love because they are living at home because housing is too expensive for them to move out.

[Asker]

you don't need to move out to find love

[slatyb]

And where is the young couple going to be intimate?

[Asker]

Hotel?

[slatyb]

If they can't afford their own place, how do you think they will have the $100+ for a hotel room? The high cost of housing is inhibiting household formation -- young adults can't afford to move out, and can't form new families because they have no place to live.

[Asker]

you never heard about moving in with your parents? it's something that is done in almost every culture except American culture. Once a woman got married, it was customary of her to move in with her husband's family

[Asker]

and along with living with her husband's parents. the parents usually end up becoming free babysitters.

[Anonymous]

Disagree. I don't have a good way to meet women my age.

[jahaims]

People who can't find love are emotionally immature

[Ariesman81Nshiiit]

True for women, not for men

[Asker]

That's not true.

[Ariesman81Nshiiit]

You not wanting it to be doesn't make it so

[Asker]

How often do you see 25 yr old women dating 45 yr old men? Never

[Ariesman81Nshiiit]

That's because the resorts you go to aren't all inclusive

[Asker]

Look at marriage data, average age Gap is only 2 to 4 years

[Ariesman81Nshiiit]

Who said anything about marriage? We're talking about love.

[Asker]

well if you love someone enough, you would marry them.

and statistics show that vast majority of people tend to marry someone just about 2 years apart from them. Large age gaps are uncommon

[Ariesman81Nshiiit]

I would want to marry someone I love, but marriage just for the sake of love isn't smart. Been there done that.

Will I say all younger women are responsible enough for marriage... hell no.

But isn't that everybody's problem, the one you love ain't marriage material.

[Asker]

@ariesman81nshiiit

because young women aren't interested in old men, that's why young women aren't marrying them.

ain't that hard to comprehend.

[Anonymous]

Disagree

[Anonymous]

Disagree.