
How do you feel about LGBTQ+ characters in children’s films and TV?


I think both having only straight characters in a show and shows with a few gay characters are fine. They can just show two boys or girls together without making a big deal out of it. I don't think it's wrong to show children reality, prepare them for it and show some nuances. If we can show villains in series stealing and bullying - that not everyone are nice, then they can also watch same sex relationships.
I also thinks it's fine having some characters breaking gender norms. Example girls loving football and having short hair, and boys loving playing with dolls and wearing pink. Again, people are different and showing it on TV in a childfriendly way doesn't do any harm.
Promoting transgenderism isn't okay, since children are too young undergoing permanent cosmetic and sex change surgeries, hormone treatments etc. They should learn to love themselves, because of surgeries are painful and should be avoided if possible. It shouldn't be normalized. Transgenderism also causes depression and anxiety. Only people born with the disorder should go this path, but feminine healthy boys and healthy tom boys shouldn't because of they don't need it. Believing you needs something doesn't mean you needs it.
It's a short step from using cartoons to sexualize children just generally which is what they started doing in the 90's, (internal memos leaked from Cartoon Network even use that exact phrase, "We will sexualize the pre-teens.") to then use cartoons to sexualize them to be homosexual or else confused about their own gender identity. Even children who are naturally resistant to this programming will simply become outcasts and misfits.
It's all designed to make everybody so fucked up and unable to relate to each other that all anybody can do is retreat into their own inner world and who exist in the real world purely to consume products and media.

The fact that it makes kids that much easier for adult pedophiles to groom, that's just a bonus. What it's really all about is this right here:
@Juxtapose Yeah, but that's not what's happening, it's being shoehorned into EVERY fucking show to shove it down people's throats as part of a concerted push to move the overton window.
And we can tell that it's part of a decades-long agenda and we can see where that agenda is aiming towards.
I literally do not care. LGBTQ people exists. If kids aren’t exposed to them in tv or media then they’ll just be exposed to them in real life. We can’t keep trying to keep children in a bubble and pretend like LGBTQ don’t exist. They’re real. They are just people. Why shouldn’t they be on tv? The only thing I hate about having LGBTQ characters in TV shows is that a lot of times the characters only appear once in the show, or they are written very poorly and/or their only character trait is being LGBTQ. For example, Robin from stranger things. Throughout the whole season Robin keeps telling Steve about how she couldn’t take her eyes off of him and things like that. Then all of a sudden out of the blue when he finally makes a move she rejects him and admits that she actually had a crush on one of their girl classmates. That was terrible writing. That was god awful.
"The only thing I hate about having LGBTQ characters in TV shows is that a lot of times the characters only appear once in the show, or they are written very poorly and/or their only character trait is being LGBTQ" - I totally agree! Same goes for people with physical disabilities, they are only characterized as their handicap, and what's worse is that a non-disabled actor acts as if he/she has a handicap, when there are so many really disabled people trying to get into acting! I know this doesn't have anything to do with LGTBTQ, sorry just had to let it out.
@little_bird1 Exactly. LGBTQ people and people with disabilities are real people that deserve acting opportunities, screen time, and good character development.
I know many people will disagree with this but I don't think you should involve young kids in adult issues and when you put certain things such as a gay couple in their cartoon, that's exactly what you are doing. Many will say " they need to know" but why does a 3 year old need to know about gay rights? Or 6 year old or and 8 year old, why do they need to know? Kids are curious and if they want to know something, they will ask and then you can explain it to them in the best way possible and in way they'll understand but not before then. Because then it seems like you are trying to shove all this stuff down their throat on purpose which will leave them confused. Just let kids be kids. Why does the world want everyone to be an adult, that aren't actually adults? I wish people would just stop.
It doesn't seem like a big deal, LGBT people exist, and its not like it's some kind of perverted sexual kink, any more than straight people in a relationship. I dont think it's going to negatively affect anybody, or turn them gay or something ridiculous like that. It might teach children to be more open and tolerant of other children who have same gender parents, and if they themselves end up realizing they're LGBT, it will probably make them less ashamed and more open about it if they have seen representation of LGBT people as normal people
Ok so since it isn't a big deal why can't we show cigarettes and weed and alcohol in the shows? They exist too. The answer is because it isn't age appropriate. Nobody enforces the dont ask dont tell rule anymore cuz nobody cares but if they dont want to open up they dont have to but it's like u are forcing them to be obligated to open up to people. I don't go around saying I'm a straight man cuz that's my business and my sexual preference and I don't feel like I have to open up to anyone about that. I hope people see this comment and really think hard about what I said.
I... what? Addictive substances aren't even remotely the same as LGBT relationships. And you dont have to go around saying you're a straight man, but presumably if you have a girlfriend you introduce her as your girlfriend without worrying about whether children are present to hear about your relationship. Why is it different for two men in a relationship, rather than a man and a woman?
It's not anything different and just because you bring either a male or female doesn't mean that you're straight you could like both. Why can't I put addictive substances in the same category "it doesn't seem like a big deal" right? a lot of people do drugs legally or not. If I'm a kid and I see my dad or a random stranger smoke a cigar vape etc. that doesn't mean I will grow up and do the same. Shit even in spongebob he smoked a pipe and bubbles came out just because I grew up watching that didn't make me want to smoke. So if you can put something as prevalent as the LGBTQ community in a show why can't you put drugs in there or let's go with another example they aren't the only community. What about the kkk, nazis, black panthers, gangs? Here's some other ones that are good that still aren't in tv shows NAACP, Benevolent and Protective Order of Elks, or The Lions club international.
So if straight relationships aren't different than LGBT ones, what are you arguing about? That children shows shouldn't show any relationships? That children's shows should include addictive, brain melting drugs and violent gangs? Although I do agree with you that some organizations are unfairly treated as adult or unimportant, LGBT relationships aren't organizations, they're just people
I'm not saying even show straight relationships being a kids is having fun not choosing who you are going to stay with. And ok if they are just people helped me understand this because I truly dont know why and maybe you might how come LGBTQ exclude straight the letter S from the acronym? Sounds like a group to me and a group of people who think one way aren't also part of that group. It's like those preferences have been place above being straight as if that isn't important as LGBTQ
They can put whatever they want on TV. But, parents if you don't want your child to watch that stuff, just find a children's show that doesn't have that kind of stuff in it.
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Why do people HAVE to open up? Nobody cares. AT ALLL. I don't go around telling people I'm straight and holding up a flag and a straight people parade. I dont have to explain myself to anyone. People who think this will open up their kid faster are the type of people who won't let food cook because they keep moving it or altering it or checking on it ever 5 seconds. If u just let them live life they will make their own decisions. So media trying to influence the community is like a low key recruitment at a young age. And if you say well LGBTQ is prevalent in society well shit why dont we put school shootings, cigarettes, vapes, weed hoes and cashflow in kids shows? Because it is not deemed educational or appropriate. LGBTQ community I'm sorry but sexual preference isn't education for a toddler or young kid. Yeah maybe when they get older to understand what it means to be a LGBTQ member but if you tell a 6 year old about a transgender person they are going to be confused because they cannot comprehend why or what they technically are or how it's even done. Please someone understand what I'm trying to say.
Well said.
@mermaidia_lol... for a Muslim.
@supercutebutt I'm most definitely not a Muslim 😂😂
@cipher42 I go on rants when I feel something is wrong. I'd go on a rant if a bunch of straight people were discriminating others and thinking they are justified. I dont hate the LGBTQ community I think it doesn't seem appropriate for children shows because 1. Kids won't understand 2. They dont care 3. By the time they start to figure who they are and decide what they like when that time comes then they can better understand their sexuality and hopefully by then have enough confidence in themselves to not have to prove a point that they're gay etc. But just be what they want.
@bro25 @cipher42 I agree with cipher42. Plus, nobody is telling you that you have to have a gay lover. I don't understand why people start ranting about gayness. It's almost as if they think if gay marriage is legal, then they will be required to be in a gay marriage themselves. It's a ridiculous thing to obsess over. 100% nuts.
@cipher42 @supercutebutt I don't know what type of grade a crack you are smoking but I never said being straight was appropriate for television either all that romance doesn't belong in a child's show. And super cute you are the Webster's dictionary of retarded. I never stated that if that is shown on tv that it will turn people gay and etc. People will as I said before figure out who they are over time goddamn did you all even read? Is that something you are capable of? Can you even understand me right now or do I have to speak it in another language? 하ㄴ글어? Francais? I'm also not a homophobic for your information because your assumptions are clouding your cranially challenge mind. I dont give a fuck what a LGBTQ does in their free time but I'm not going to engage in a sexual activity with then because I'm straight and all the friends I do have that are like that we just cool we would just go and grab taco bell and kick it to some music. The only hateful people here are @cipher42 and her sidekick @supercutebutt
there's WAY more straight characters on tv, childrens tv included, than there are lgbtq characters. When I specifically asked you if you ranted the same way about straight characters, you responded in a way that implied that you thought lgbtq representation in media specifically has issues in a way that straight representation doesn't.
So what makes LGBTQ representation special? Why so angry about that, but not the straight characters that have existed in children's media for so, so long?
I said if they were clearly being discriminated I would rant against the straight if it was that way. The only thing I'm mad about is talk to you because you are irritating and the fact that people are going to make their kids come out which might be a uncomfortable time for them and we all know how social med and media influences the community or countries so then as awe add more LGBTQ member in more mature audience shows then as people have had that time to mature and now get to understand more in depth they will know where they stand in the community or being straight. Then when they feel it is right they will come out or whatever they feel. No kid at 6 is gonna come out as gay but maybe late middle school and highschool yes because they have had time for the brain to mature and themselves and then they decide what they are and maybe a few years later they on their own comfort will speak so. That is all I'm going to say cuz u can't grasp what I'm saying
It really seems like you're treating LGBT characters differently than straight ones. Like, you're not talking about LGBT characters being discriminatory (against who?), you're talking about the idea that having LGBT characters will "force kids to come out" (how?) and that kids "won't understand". So I'd like you to explain how having LGBT characters is something that kids will understand less than having straight characters, and how exactly LGBT characters will force kids to come out or influence them into deciding their identity before they're ready in a way straight characters won't.
I am not Lgbt at all, but I think it is a positive thing if the character is done well, especially for kids and teens struggling with their sexual attration. It will make them feel like they aren't freaks if they see a character go through something that they can relate to. It will also show heterosexual kids/teens that being different isn't a bad thing and that sexual orientation is just a small part of who they are, they really aren't so different after all. Do I think every shows should have Lgbt characters? No, because that would be unnecessary, but a few shows with well written, realistic characters that just happen to be Lgbt could help a lot of kids deal with their own issues.
I am against any LGBT character in anything, but i don't mind a character being non-straight.
The difference? One is propeganda / pandoring and only serves the purpose of being a different sexuality and has nothing to offer beyond it. And the other is a well developed character who has it as one of its aspects where it isn't brought to the foreground.
Stranger Things 3 had a lesbian as one of the lead characters, i wasn't able to tell until the romance movement where the two seemed to fall in love and had great chemistry but she then confessed she was a lesbian with the guy being noticably bummed out and dissapointed. That to me is the right way to do it, she wasn't the lesbian character she was her own reasonably well developed character who had that as a trait.
The wrong day to do it is the series constantly emphasising on how LGBT the character is.
As for children shows in particular i don't think its a good idea to include it unless the show is aimed at an age range where dating is a reality. Because i can imagine if the show is an ordinary show and the lead character exclusively likes the same gender that would be confusing to a child who can't understand the main character is supposed to be a minority. I can't imagine the children really enjoying such a scenario in general in a cartoon. But in a show like that one show about surviving 1st grade it would make sense to cover it as a theme as its aimed at older children who are going to be in the dating scene themselves.
If you let your kids watch tv, you are failing as a parent. TV programming is meant to program your kids.
Homosexuals have no place in the lives of any children. They are trying to normalize homosexual behavior, and have children mimic that behavior.
Its called modelling. They want your kids to be gay.
Why? because homosexuals get paid less, dont have kids, dont have families, and are able to become better consumers. Its also to create more proxy warriors for the oligarchs. Gays will always disrupt society.
So you think that Hollywood wants everyone to be gay?
No that would be ridiculous. Hollywood is just the tool the oligarchs use to make people gay. The real question is why do the oligarchs want homosexuality to be widespread and seen as acceptable?
There are several factors, homosexuals dont have children, so they spend money on themselves and are not concerned about the future.
Homosexuals disrupt society, they break down moral values and oppose gender normity. People with value and character or more willing to stand against injustice.
Homosexuals dont need as much pay. A homosexual man, doesn't need a family wage, most working men, demand higher wages and go after promotions, because they have familial pressure.
Predatory behavior. Most Hollywood executives are sexual perverts, and want to normalize sexually deviancy to take advantage of more people.
Destroying masculinity. Nothing is less masculine than fucking another man or wearing women's clothing. Masculine men are intolerant and are high character. They won't tolerate abuse, but a homosexual man will.
Over representation of homosexuality in movies and shows. Despite gays LGTBQ+ being a small fraction of the general population they are vastly over-represented in entertainment. This over representation is because homosexuals and deviants hire their own and want to make themselves "Acceptable to the masses"
Metaphysical. There is a constant struggle between good and evil. Homosexual behavior and sexual deviancy is immoral and is in direct opposition to natural law. Homosexuality and LGBTQ+ serve no purpose other than fulfilling their deviancy. While hetero-sexual behavior is the cornerstone of all civilization.
Modeling doesn't apply to sexual orientation.
Bandura's Bobo Doll experiment was trying to study aggressive behavior and how kids mimic the aggressive behaviors of adults. You can't mimic someone's sexual orientation. Seeing gay people kiss isn't going to make you want to kiss another man and it isn't going to make you enjoy it. Modeling doesn't work like that.
@Starrk The experiment focused on violent behavior.
Children model their behavior after the adults or their peers. Thats the takeaway of this experiment. It isn't that children will be violent if they see adults being violent. Its that they model the behavior of adults.
Kids need to see healthy relationships between men and women, specifically monogamous heterosexual relationships. Its what is optimal.
These shows whether they are aware of it or not, are introducing destructive ideas about gender and sexuality to children who aren't ready or capable of thinking about these things yet.
"It isn't that children will be violent if they see adults being violent." This is where we disagree because I think this is EXACTLY what will happen! Heck I even see adults doing this! Monkey see monkey do! They COPY people especially if they want to assimilate somewhere. Teenagers do this with their peers to be "in"!
@SueAnon84 You misunderstood what I am saying. I agree with you 100% thats apparent from the experiment. You didn't fully read my opinion. You took taht out of context.
I am saying that humans do model their behavior from adults.
The experiment was meant to demonstrate modelling. It just focused on violent behavior.
@SueAnon84
Because I'm a Psychology Grad who understands the limitations of these experiments and know that no literature on this planet corroborates the idea that homosexuality is some contagious behavior. If sexual orientation was influenced by the environment then why do gay people exist in the first place. Don't the vast majority of gay people come from a heterosexual household and live in a heterosexual dominant world where men and women are constantly shown kissing each other.
If homosexuality was a choice that arises by what you are exposed to (e. g., gay people kissing) then why does it continue to exist in a heterosexual dominate world that has chastised homosexual behavior?
"Kids need to see healthy relationships between men and women, specifically monogamous heterosexual relationships. Its what is optimal."
Kids don't need to see ONLY heterosexual relationships. They simply need to see healthy relationships. Homosexuality isn't an inherently bad thing so why ignore it? Gay people contribute to society and try to live there life in peace just like everyone else. I don't see why such relationships should be brushed under the rug. If anything we need to portray them more so the future generation isn't as hateful to "differences" as the previous generations were.
@Starrk I am a christian so to me, Homosexuality is reprobate. I see it as inherently corrupt and perverse. So we will differ on that.
Tbh I dont know what makes people become homosexual. Its a combo of developmental issues in my opinion. But I think making it acceptable and putting it in children's cartoons and films, is unnecessary, and there is an agenda behind it.
Of course, there is an agenda behind it. It's to make it more acceptable amongst the population. It's to show people that gay people are no different from straight people. They are normal people who want to live their life like everyone else. When you demonize a group of people and portray them as an abomination rather than people, all you're doing is encouraging the next generation to be hateful towards them.
@Starrk Well, first of all, for me, I don’t hate them. I don’t think there’s anything to really HATE as that’s a powerful emotion!
Second, I think most of the population (though now it’s much less) think of gays, lesbians, etc. as abnormal people… or at least used to! It’s really not norm (or it really wasn’t!). When I was growing up, they would get made fun of or bullied because well, it WAS abormal to see! That is why and that’s the truth! It’s like children or teenagers getting bullied in school for being different. There’s been a lot of changes in society (in fact it’s too much to my liking as I’m more of a conservative person – at least I grew up that way!) and I don’t see any other reason to change other than for survival reasons!..
Anyway, you say that the majority of gays, lesbians came from heterosexual homes… How do you know this? How do you know that a lot the gays, lesbians, etc. weren’t sexually abused or emotionally abused as children? And were they really telling the truth in those surveys? You really don’t know and cannot guarantee.
Finally, that’s great that you are a psychology major. I also took some psychology classes back when I was in college and I happen to see that video as an assignment. I found it very interesting but that was too long ago that I barely remembered it nor do I want to. Anyway, it’s good that you are learning a lot about the human psyche and human behavior. You’ll need it both in your professional and your personal life!
@SueAnon84
"Anyway, you say that the majority of gays, lesbians came from heterosexual homes… How do you know this?"
In the same way, I can conclude that most heterosexual people come from a heterosexual household. Last time I check you need a mother and a father in order to produce a child. And the most dominant household type in every developed nation is heterosexual households with a mother and a father.
"How do you know that a lot the gays, lesbians, etc. weren’t sexually abused or emotionally abused as children? "
Because sexual orientation and abuse are not linked to one another. Do you know how many heterosexual adults were abused as children? Abuse doesn't cause homosexuality. If it did, such a link would have been founded a long time ago. Children who are abused tend to develop other forms of psychological problems, but a sudden change in sexual orientation is unfounded.
"And were they really telling the truth in those surveys?"
This is why we perform multiple randomized studies. While people do lie, the probability of everyone lying or even the majority is slim. Regardless of that, multiple studies are usually performed to ensure reliability. When we conduct experiments/surveys we do have methods to account for the possibility of deception or biases.
All the gay brainwashing is idiotic. First, kids aren’t sexually active (generally unless they are being molested) until they hit puberty or later so pushing gay sexuality issues on children is irresponsible. Alphabet soup is a very small minority, so they are being vastly over represented in film. Third, when gay becomes the base for a character or pushing gay issues becomes a core plot motive of a film, you destroy the story. If you have the money, you can make whatever film you want and distribute it widely, but you have to realize what you are doing to your brand name and any character franchise you touch.
Indifferent, but there's no way you can tell me that Spongebob ISN'T gay for Squidward.
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And I think Patrick and Spongebob are gay for each other
Honestly doesn't surprise me considering one of the creators was gay
I think it's weird that 4,5% of the population identifies as LGTB but like 25% of characters in shows now. When I was a kid, I watched the power rangers because it was cool and I didn't wonder about the sexuality of any of the characters. Largely because it didn't matter to me. It seems like a strange inclusion to an audience that won't care because they're not there for that. Seems more like it's for those old enough to care about inclusion and representation.
They don't want tolerance. They want you to bow down. Never, I say! This move to putgay sex glorifiers in children's shows is a deliberate attempt to corrupt minors, and should be prosecuted as such. They always eventually target children. "Boys Beware " had the right idea all along.
As long as their sexuality doesn't go against the story (taking an existing character and changing their sexuality) or being the main characteristic (look at me I'm ______) it's kind of just lazy writing and seems forced. It also makes it to be seen as an oddity. But good writing is what makes the difference.
I don't feel it's appropriate at that age much less the media or celebrities being allowed to influence a young child. That also goes for the reading of stories geared toward the LGBTQ community read to pre School , and kindagarten children. That is something left to the parents or guardian of that child if and when appropriate or if the child has questions. At that age a child is not concerned about sexuality.
Let kids be kids quit trying to influence them it's wrong and abusive to try and change or influence a child that young into something sexual
I think its perfectly acceptable. I mean, why wouldn't it be? Even if you're against the LGBT community, they will still be there and they're not doing anything wrong. I think if its forced into a show and completely contradicts the story then it's wrong but otherwise, I encourage it.
I don't care what people do behind closed doors, but why show sexuality on kids tv shows of boys and boys kissing or girls and girls kissing? People have gone astray by God's words and I keep reiterating this, what is happening in our world today, the protests in Chile, Hong Kong, Venezuela, and everywhere else. Pay attention to what's happening in Turkey in Syria because that will start the next world war. Why am I saying this? Because people want to be as liberal, as naked, as ignorant as possible in today's world. What's about to come in this world will be scary.
whoever disliked my comment just proved to me she or he is in there own little make belief cotton candy universe, if your not going to believe a guy who studies law, religion and politics and percieved as a liar... then okay, but i swear on my life i am not lying.
I can understand where you're coming from and I agree with some of your views but why are you so triggered because some random person disliked your comment? Not everyone will agree with you. No need to try and prove yourself to everyone.
@QueenTanya Im not triggered, for someone who has nieces and nephews i am strongly against this stuff and it has gotten so out of hand that naked adults are dancing gay pride parades with little kids... so if people are ok with lgbtq stuff for kids who undeveloped minds subliminally sending a message for kids to act a certain way is wrong, the same way news networks and politicians subliminally tell us who to vote for or support.
I think you only read the first sentence of what I wrote. I'm talking about why you had to address that person who disliked your comment.
But why do they have to put it everywhere...
I can’t even watch one movie or show anymore without having some gay stuff on it.. it’s very annoying... and yes I believe stuff like that should not be shown sooo much to children. I do believe it influences at some level even if by a little it still does.
I feel its being forced down our throats to accept it. all its doing is pissing people off and recenting the life style " choice". if i had a child or children i would be extremely pissed and would be monitoring what they watched more or just do away of tv all together
I'm fine with it, but it is not always executed well and sometimes seems forced on a character especially those that never had any mannerisms or signs of being LGBTQ+ or closet LGBTQ+. when it is forced on a character it is obvious and pushes an agenda just for ratings which makes the viewers uncomfortable. If a character shows the mannerisms and signs then it flows more naturally with the series. Ratburn has the signs and mannerisms which is why it fit so well with his character
Absolutely not! That's teaching kids that it's normal. No wonder kids are so confused these days.
I feel that your Muslim faith is more confusing, to be perfectly honest.
MY Muslim faith? You've lost your marbles. I'm Italian and Cherokee Indian, about as far from Muslim as one can possibly be.
Muslims really hate gay people so I assumed you are a follower of the Islamic faith.
That's the problem with ASSuming. I will never defend muslims or Islam, but in the Christian faith, we hate sin, not the sinner. That's probably their stand, though they are a hate religion.
You sound the same. Same hatred. Do you believe in the invisible sky daddy called Allah?
You're obviously not smart enough to understand the difference between hating sin and hating people. You just want to argue.
Who says gayness is a sin? Muslims do. So you are a Muslim.
God does! You are an idiot.
You believe in BS. That has to suck. :(
You are basically a Muslim.
You believe in butt sex. That's disgusting. And you are still an idiot.
@supercutebutt what do you have against Muslims?
Oh no two non straight people holding hands and kissing. That's inappropriate to children because whenever I see it I think of buttsex and scissoring. They're so nasty, turning kids perverts. Be gay if you wanna be gay, nobody cares anymore. I don't. Just try to not be seen so that you won't make me think or feel things. Start seeing you as a person and maybe even relate to you in some way as a fellow human being. Fuck that.
I hate it, but the market will pass judgment on it and it will gradually go away. Like retailers closing out guns and ammunition. Their ideology better be worth the billions they are losing. Their stockholders may disagree.
I have a limit on what I'm willing to accept. I watched a drama recently where some girl had to work late and she said: My girlfriend won't like this. She's cooking something special. Sure, it normalizes lesbian couples but it was relatively unobtrusive. But many more times. It is a central political focus meant to force acceptance. That's what the remote is for.
I don’t think introducing sexual matters and preferences into children’s shows is age appropriate. Let kids be kids and enjoy their childish nativity. They can have the rest of their lives to worry about sexuality and other adult matters.
If shows can show a boy and a girl holding hands or a mom and a dad in a wedding, they can show two boys or girls holding hands too. It's not that sexual as long they're not showing them fuck or do tongue.
It’s real life, people cannot handle it, they want to protect their kids from it, but the truth is, parents are not with their kids 24/7, they might find out on their own, probably at school or at a friends house, it like keeping them away from the sex talk, they probably going find out too & sex can lead to pregnancy & STD if they are not taught right. LGBTQ is REAL LIFE! If parents don’t like something, they don’t have to let their kids watch.
It's hard to say I feel like children shouldn't be told about this so young, but at the same time homosexuality is becoming more accepted by the mainstream and straight people are shown on childrens shows so I guess in a way it's more reflective of modern society.
Do it! To quote a great philosopher:
"No matter what is it, with children, get them started early"
-Ronald_25
The sooner they learn, the sooner they decide their personality, the sooner they can come out of the closet and the sooner they can find sexual happiness in their adult years. Let's encourage children, so they spend the least amount of time in the closet.
I dont think its appropriate for kids. I also think the whole LGBTQHD community are horrible people, quit pushing that shit on us. They cry bloody murder if you try to push religion (with exception of Islam), so why are you pushing your gay tranny shit on us GTFOH.
I have no problem with it because it’s only regarding preference for the same sex, and it’s a lifestyle choice many people have had long before media influence.
If they started introducing non-binary characters or any new unnatural, complex “trends” in a positive light (which could manipulate vulnerable youths into living similarly), then I’d call for a boycott 😡
To be honest, I've grown estranged from modern television these days and how a lot of it is so PC. I see no need for it. I see no need for an exorbitant amount of time spent in front of the television. When you're 84, you're not going to look back on life and think, "wow, I'm so glad I watched all those shows"
If it happened once and a while, sure, but every show has at least one LGQBTERTY$IOPOYDSDFGHJKKJHGFDFG character in it now. It seems like every show has to follow some bullshit check list for a cast of characters. It's all forced at this point and does not flow with the story most of the time.
As others have pointed out, as long as it isn't forced and the characters are actually written like humans.
A good children's movie/series, should be watchable for adults as well I believe, Imagine Mr. Rogers!
Adam_INTJ's Islamic faith is strong. You can't reason with him.
that shit has no place in children's shows. Especially now that science, the once self-proclaimed God of the liberals," found that there is NO gay gene. So being gay has been proven to be a choice. This means that rather than pushing "acceptance", Disney and others who consistently push the "gay agenda" are pushing indoctrination. Making attempts and normalization of deviant behavior. Nothing else.
This is what happens when you only read the title of an article instead of the actual article. When science said there is no gay gene, they weren't saying that homosexuality isn't genetic. What they're saying is that homosexuality is not caused by a SINGLE GENE, but more likely by the interaction of multiples genes working in unison.
Why would anyone choose to be gay?
This is pretty accurate, but while being gay is a choice according to genetics, it isn't much of a choice according to society, as society normalizes homosexuality a child will adapt to that and will therefore be more open to be gay and grow it in their mind, you can call it a mental illness or see its progression as a form of complex/abnormality in someone's body and mind.
@Starrk I know what it says. This isn't new news to me. I also knew the minute they couldn't find the "gay gene" which they WERE searching for, they would say it must be caused by several genes working in combination. Also in the news this year are many famous people CHOOSING to be gay. Doesn't sound like a gene thing to me. Almost sounds like... a choice. I'm no stranger to liberal-run science. Like I said... indoctrination.
The old "I knew it all along" phenomenal also known as "hindsight bias". Yeah, that's not a rebuttal. No one in any science field believes Homosexuality is a choice. If it was that easy then conversion therapy should have been successful back in the 20th century. Threatening gay people with punishment and death should have also been successful. Implementing laws that outright discriminate against them should have been successful. Families disowning their gay children should have been successful. All of these things should have worked in converting gay people straight if it was just something you can switch on and off like a light switch.
The same way straight people don't choose to be straight the same applies to gay people.
@Syrian_survivor
It can't be baseless if it's supported by very field within science that studies this topic. We have studies where the results directly contradict the idea that homosexuality is a choice. The real baseless argument is the one you support. I still have not seen a single valid argument by you are anyone else why sexual orientation is a choice and not an inherent quality.
@Starrk it makes no sense for homosexuality to be a natural inherent quality as it's disadvantageous for the human species, the terms "natural" and "homosexuality" can't go together, and don't go comparing us to other species that practice homosexuality because those practices have actual purposes in those species' lives, what humans have here is simply perversion, one that goes against humans' reproductive nature, therefore unnatural, do you understand?
There is no gay gene, there isn't a gay gene set, there are no certain genes that make a person gay, that is absolutely false as I have done my real-life research, off the internet and on it, I'll gladly explain if you want me to but it would be a waste of time, just know that.
So while I disagree with the "homosexuality is natural" statement, I do agree that it's not a choice in most western societies, as the biggest and perhaps the most effective factor in homosexuality spreading is basically normalizing it in a society, kids are curious and looking to try new things, their brains are sponges, you can turn a kid to whatever you want if you put a thought in its head as "okay" or "true", like back when Spartans made literal killing machines out of their children.
What we have isn't much of a scientific phenomenon, it's more an environmental one, more focused on psychology and mentality than science.
@Syrian_survivor
"it makes no sense for homosexuality to be a natural inherent quality as it's disadvantageous for the human species"
It's not disadvantageous, that's an opinion of yours. And even if it was, whoever said evolution was perfect. There are many innate qualities about humans that are a disadvantage for us, with some of them being deadly. For example, the way our throat is designed is terrible because it makes chocking on food or contracting pneumonia far easier to occur. Males testicles being exposed is a design flaw that makes us vulnerable. Our narrow pelvis is another flaw, especially in women who have to push a baby out through it. Our mouth is too small for the number of teeth we have. Our spine is curved in the wrong location, which is why back pain is so common in people. Our retina is designed is a way that actually encourages a detached retina to potentially occur, which is the leading cause of blindness in humans. I can go on and on. Moral of the story, evolution is far from being perfect. Evolution simply provides us the bare minimum for survival, that's it.
"I'll gladly explain if you want me to but it would be a waste of time, just know that."
Please explain. I find it exciting that you manage to find the answer that scientists couldn't.
" the biggest and perhaps the most effective factor in homosexuality spreading is basically normalizing it in a society"
Let me guess. This is based on nothing. Newsflash homosexuality was prevalent when it wasn't normalized. Hell, it's prevalent in nations that make homosexuality a crime punishable by death. So obviously society's acceptance/unacceptance of homosexuality has no effects on its prevalence.
@Syrian_survivor
"kids are curious and looking to try new things, their brains are sponges, you can turn a kid to whatever you want if you put a thought in its head as "okay" or "true""
It doesn't work like that. Yeah, you can teach a kid a lot of things such as learning a new language or learning how to play basketball or learning how to read. However, you do not learn to be homosexual and you do not unlearn to be heterosexual. If learning was the key then homosexuality shouldn't exist since gay people are usually born and raised in heterosexual households where they are constantly exposed to heterosexual parents.
"What we have isn't much of a scientific phenomenon, it's more an environmental one, more focused on psychology and mentality than science."
First of all, Psychology is a Science.
Second, I'm a Psychology Grad and I can tell you that the vast majority of Psychologists believe Homosexuality is innate and not something you can change. The APA (American Psychological Association) is the largest organization of Psychologists in the world, and they debunked the idea that homosexuality is a mental problem back in 1973.
https://www.apa.org/topics/lgbt/orientation
@Syrian_survivor I had a sociology professor that told us that homosexuality could possibly be nature’s population control.
@Asker there's no way for human evolution to know that people need to stop making babies, there are no natural receptors to get that information other than thoughts in the brain, which our genes can't really interact much with let alone change human evolution because of them.
This is the hypocrisy of GaG. The same males here who are against gay characters on kids television are the same one claiming there is no difference between the sexes.
Weirdness.
I think, as long as it's not obviously forced to create diversity in a cast, it's very nice and gets children introduced to same Sex couples in a friendly way. Especially cartoons (Steven universe, etc) could help with normalising lgbt couples
Disney is turning over in his grave! Since it has been PROVEN that there is no "gay gene", we know that it IS learned or acquired behavior. It has no part in being thrown up ion kids' faces, or anyone else's, for that matter.
I’m sure Walt Disney would not be to happy about many aspects of Disney now.
Excuse me, its not learned behavior. We in the field of Psychology, as well as Psychiatry, debunked that decades ago. You can't alter someone's sexual orientation. It doesn't matter how much gay porn I forced you to watch, you're not suddenly going to have desires to have sex with men or worship dicks. It doesn't work like that and if it did then conversion therapy should have been successful in converting people straight.
@Starrk Excuse me, there is no gay gene. Stanley Center for Psychiatric Research at the Broad Institute of MIT and Harvard recently showed that there's no such thing as a "gay gene" that drives a person's sexual behavior, as they concluded the largest genetic study ever conducted on the issue.
No, that's incorrect. They concluded that there isn't a SINGLE GENE that dictates sexual orientation, but rather sexual orientation is a lot more complex than we originally believed. Originally the common belief amongst some was that there was one all-powerful singular gene that gay people have (that straight people do not have) that made them gay. However, this study, as well as many previous ones, have concluded that sexual orientation is most likely a byproduct of genetics, environment, and biology working together.
Regardless, the premise that being gay is a choice, just like how you choose between chocolate and vanilla ice cream is unfounded, and no literature supports such an idea.
As the picture shows in the thumbnail, and as a childhood favorite, Arthur is an old show. So is the Mr Ratburn character. Close to 20 years I think. While I don't have a problem with gay rights, I do have a problem with it being in a show for Y7 viewers. It's really not necessary. It's suppose to be about intellectual education. Not gay rights.
I think it's a good idea as every family is diffrent life changers u eather respect it and move on or stsy wgere u are and get left behind
I think people think it's wrong cus they don't understand but insted of learning some don't that's what I call closed mined ignorant people
Pro. We need to get over this homophilia. Being gay is natural. People can’t be turned gay. Children aren’t in danger from gays.
Damn true. The amount of idiocy and lack of knowledge in people has gone beyond limits. You can't turn anyone into being gay, same as you can't turn anyone into being straight. No matter what kids watch, they will be what they will be, nothing influences sexuality. I mean if it was true then homosexuality wouldn't exist (because it was hidden so far and yet homosexuality still existed)!
@little_bird1 I think you can have a good match with @OddBeMe but sadly not in a good way... You wrote: "No matter what kids watch, they will be what they will be, nothing influences sexuality."
We probably don't live in the same world... I'm in the one where pornography and society alter more and more the behaviour of young people, including their sexuality, where they find "normal" some things that are really not.
@little_bird1 Sorry, the science isn’t with you. In fact it’s the opposite. Most studies show access to porn has brought down sexual assaults the last several decades. Now degrading, objectifying women, that’s a different story. But like violent films and mass shootings, there’s no connection.
What gives you the right to say what's normal and what's not, huh? Who the fuck are you to judge? And you're comparing LGBTQ to crime, are you kidding me? You are 35 year old grown man and you still haven't educated yourself one bit about moral or anything related to common sense. Don't even there bringing "science" into this because we both know you are not educated enough to know.
I don’t mind children knowing LGBTQ people exist, are people, can be good people, etc. But I think it should be done at an appropriate age— a 6 year old doesn’t need to know about and understand LGBTQ people. I also don’t want them thinking that they are the norm. Because statistically they aren’t.
I don't much care. There are ways to do it poorly (like the token gay, 1 dimensional character who's only trait is "I'm gay") but for some it's handled well.
There is also the Schrödinger's characteristic (if a characteristic isn't defined it is whatever each individual viewer feels it should be, all at the same time)
I dont think the whole gay thing should be exposed to kids. Kids are supposed enjoy their childhood not worry about their fucking sexuality.
I don't care. It's not like they don't exist. People need to stop trying to shield their kids from things that literally are not problems.
This is ridiculous we really have to put this on TV this is what we want to teach your kids now I'm a little boy or girl grows up they don't really know what they're just because everybody puts these thoughts in their head why don't you just let it eat that you're all and just look up Adam and Eve kind of a thing huh I don't know you don't see two coyotes holding hands anyway that's my opinion
I feel great about that! I want my kids to know that they always have a choice and no matter what they choose they will be accepted. That's the kind of future I wish for my children and grandchildren.
Lmao this is why generations are getting dumber and dumber
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I don't know. It doesn't seem right. I mean i don't really care but Where's the moderation? If homo sexuals are all we'll see then Kids will take idols one way or another.
The kids are best taught to avoid the media completely.
I'm fine with some characters being gay cuz that's a thing and children need to be aware gays exist. But I don't think every single show needs to have gay relationships and such. Kids shouldn't focus on sexuality that early on. I think gays should be mentioned, just like other relationships are, but they shouldn't be the main focus
I don't mind it. I'm more concerned about the idea of mandatory LGBT sex education taught in public schools and parents having no say in whether or not their children get sex changes.
Such characters are created to groom children for sexual abuse by paedophiles, who will convert an otherwise normal child to a life of sexual perversion and misery.
Make new/original characters, dont change older characters for it
May I ask what you mean by that?
If your going to add for example a gay character to a show why not make a new character that is gay, instead of changing an already established character that prior episodes risk contradicting the changes, also if its aimed at way younger and purely educational I don't want any sexuality stuff in it period gay straight or otherwise
I don’t think much of it, but it’s good to see more positive representation of different kinds of people.
I think it's unfortunate. I'm don't dislike gays or lesbians, but I don't feel that it's appropriate to feed that stuff to our kids.
Only the religious freaks will be triggered by it
I think it is good and not triggered by it
I didn't know Ratburn was gay! It's hilarious how most dudes on here think there's a hidden agenda to make kids gay for _______ reason. Lol what a bunch of fools. Turn off the TV if your closed minded brain can't handle people being gay on TV.
Le Fou is not openly gay. It can be argued that he is gay, but it's not something the movie ever addressed.
At the wedding he is seen slow dancing with a man
Filth to muck up children's minds; hardly fit to be called entertainment; suited rather for the gutter and the cesspit than for any kind of mainstream media; proof of the decay and degeneracy accompanying modern living.
These producers are not including these characters just because they feel like it’s the right thing to do. No. They are doing this for media coverage and money.
LGBT people exist, so it makes sense for them to appear in fiction once in awhile.
Nobody is complaining about zebras being shown. To me, it's just as inconsequential.
What about zoophiles, necrophiles and pedophiles? They too exist.
@BrotherFrost Anything that exists is normal. Otherwise it wouldn't exist. Hiding it won't make it disappear, it will only feed it and direct it into to the wrong path. Hasn't history thought as enough already? It's a damn time to bring all into public and try to direct it into the right path. We can't "cure" it, but we can give proper support as fellow human beings. Afterall we are humans we should be more supportive of each other, because it could've been you (or your children or anyone you care about). Any behavior that you see in anybody just proves that we as humans are capable of it, any of it. You are human too, so it doesn't exclude you. You think those people choose to be like that? You think they like it? Just try to imagine what it's like having those kinds of desires and not being able to turn it off, while the whole freaking society hates you and calls you a monster. Suicide rates are highest in these cases (in LGBTQ communities as well). It is no secret that humans are complicated beings, not everything is black or white. And it's been like that ever since the beginning of time; gays, zoophiles, necrophiles, pedophiles and all kinds of something-philes that are not that known, existed long, long before.
@little_bird1 We're talking about a kids TV show here.
My point is, if it does not involve crime, why do we have to judge it? What does it have to do with us? Look how many sex toys there are today, for the love of god I have a rotating vibrator that feels great! Does that make me a monster? Am I some kind of roto-phile because of that? I am well aware that penis cannot rotate but I it'd be great if it could. Same goes for all that people, the only difference is that they cannot enjoy anything else other then what they are attracted to. So why don't we give proper help and think of solutions for those people, instead of throwing hate, neglecting them and sending them to graves? We could make toys for them too, for example. Our sexuality doesn't define us. A person can be a pedophile and still be good person, good friend, a genius, a hard worker, etc. etc.
@BrotherFrost Yes, exactly, because future depends on those kids. We screwed it up but maybe they'll do better. And the only way to make that happen is to make them aware of it from the very young age, because otherwise they will end up just like us.
@little_bird1 The point is all other deviations are illegal. Why should one deviation be legal, and others not? There is no logical explanation.
People with physical mutations also exist. But they are not normal, as they do not confirm to a norm. Same goes for homosexuality and other deviations. Children who do not understand this will get screwed up if they are exposed to it. Many adults are unaware, so that's why lots of westerners are screwed up.
@BrotherFrost @BrotherFrost So you would say people with physical disabilities are also not normal? If that's your point, then people who wear glasses because of bad vision are also physically disabled and, by your logic, they also not normal? Hmm, so that would mean that anyone who lacks something (even as something as trivial as, let's say, not having as many hair on eyelashes as someone you define as being normal by the norm) is not normal? That would mean that 99% of human population is not normal, lol. Cmon, you are not a kid, you do realize how stupid it sounds what you just wrote? You should know that every human is different, both physically and mentally, no? We all have different faces, there is not a single human who is identical to another. Not physically not mentally, it is impossible and stupid to pick a one human being and compare all the others to it. Because that's what you're doing. You just picked one VERY SMALL (compare to all the others) group of people and called them "normal" because that small group was the only group accepted by society your ancestors built centuries ago (because they were in that group). They believed that their little group was the only legitimate and rightful group to call themselves humans and walk this earth. So they rapidly reproduced, were bigger in numbers and thus they created this society (their society), made some rules and completely neglected the existence of others, calling them "deviant". In fact, the only reason they hated these other humans is because they did not have the tools or knowledge to explain evolution and basic human anatomy. They were actually just afraid of others that did not look or behave like them. I did not made this up, google it it's all in history and evolution books. But it is inevitable to evolve, and that's why things are changing now, you like it or not.
@little_bird1 Don't play dumb. The majority sets the rules, simply because it can enforce them. Claiming that anything other than that is behind it is silly. Norms on the other hand can be objectively judged. It's not a matter of opinion and enforcing that opinion. A lion is a lion if it looks and behaves as all others like him. If you see a lion who does not look like a lion or does not behave as lions do, at best you will say that that is one odd lion. Humans are exactly the same way. If one has abnormaly large feet, he will be called big foot. Some deformations you can see, others you can not. But that does not change a thing, unless functions of part of or the entire specimen are altered in any meaningful way. How big of an impact is if you have one less eyelashes? What about five? And how big of an impact is it if you have the need to hump a lion?
As for your glasses idea, your compereson makes no sense. Humans can see. Some see further than others. It's not a third eye on your forehead.
@BrotherFrost Those are shown in fiction dude, all of them.
Homosexuality by itself is not harmful, and these kids shows are not showing the characters fucking, so it's completely age appropriate.
@BrotherFrost Yeah an odd lion, but still a lion. As the matter of fact, it doesn't mean how it looks or behaves, the point is that it exists same as you and me. It didn't choose to exist, but it does. Same with humans, there are different kinds everywhere. And you want to hide them and restrict them of all rights just because the majority finds them... odd? Because watching two guys kiss is disgusting to watch? You are not losing anything by supporting them, but they are losing EVERYTHING if you don't. Forbidding it or hiding it or even inventing a law to kill LGBTQ people wouldn't change anything, new ones would be born.
@little_bird1 Nobody questions the species of the deviants. But i will not have anyone lie that they are normal and get away with it. They get the same rights as everyone else. They however can not ask for "special" rights to be created for them.
I am not going to enable deviant behaviour, no matter their subtype. Tolerating their exsistance is the most they can ask. But that does not make their behaviour normal nor acceptable, which is promoted by showing it on TV.
@BrotherFrost Why not? Has does accepting it harm you or anyone in any way?
@little_bird1 It harms the society by implying that their behaviour is equal to the normal behaviour.
Individualists don't operate with the term 'society', i know.
@Juxtapose You are right, further discussion is pointless, he will never understand he is brainwashed beyond limits. He is one of those people who thinks a kid can become gay if influenced by media, and that a kid can be prevented to become if not influenced. It's so sad, such a small brain...
@little_bird1 It's rimarcable how handicapped you westerners are. You do not even realize that you are the ones who are brainwashed, as you are unable to see simple connections between arguments. You know how i know? You keep paroting learned sentences and keep pretending you know where the discussion is going ti go. In fact, i am not even saying that kids will catch the gay if they see it. That's how i know i am the one who is not being brainwashed: my answers aren't predictable. And that's probably why you, a brainwashed human specimen, can't even comprehend what i am saying. If you actually read what i wrote you would see exactly what my concern is.
On top of that, you are a hypocrite. You pretend that you care for all people, while if you trully did you would die of depression as every minute someone on the planet dies. Not to mention that feelings are not even valid arguments.
@BrotherFrost You 100% are incapable of demonstrating how homosexuality hurts you or anyone else.
I am bisexual, and that has never hurt anyone. You are whining about a victimless crime and I'm going to tell it like it is.
You have absolutely nothing except your own disgust over homosexuality. You haven't given us jackshit, not ONE valid way of how homosexuality harms anyone.
Get the fuck out of here, you're a disgrace!
Ah, so you have a personal horse in the game. No wonder you are fighting tooth and nail to paint the image that you are the one making sense.
@BrotherFrost Still nothing.
Called it.
As you can not understand how humping a goat is a problem when it is preceived equal to male-female intercourse then sure, you called it. Because in law you need to prove guilt. Good luck putting a goat on the stand.
@BrotherFrost You are contradicting yourself because you can't give us a valid answer as to how homosexuality harms others. Your opinions are based purely on your personal dislike and hatred. You are simply evil.
But luckily, the world has started to see what kind of garbage of majority has ruled this world, and it's time to put you down. We win, buddy.
@little_bird1 You are clueless. Which is why the west is in decline.
@BrotherFrost I'm not talking about fucking goats, I'm talking about consensual sex between two adults that happen to be of the same sex.
You are unable to directly answer my question, because you are disingenuous. You can't give me an example of how homosexuality hurts anyone.
He is switching subject, it's so obvious. He got pushed to the corner because he's got no facts, nothing.
1:0 for us.
Are you so clueless i have to spell it out to you? In fact, i won't. I will post a series of questions, which should be easy to answer if you have any basic knowledge of the matter. Then, you will either hop around it or spell it out yourself, for yourself.
What is the purpose of sex? What offten happens when a fertile male and a fertile female have sex? What happens when two fertile people of the same sex have sex with each other? Does the society benefit from any one of those two pairings? What is the difference between those two pairings then? Which pairing is hurting the society and how?
@BrotherFrost you won't answer a very simple question and then you expect me to answer a series of questions.
As i wrote. You chose to skip around it. You do not want your questions answered. Now why am i not surprised.
@BrotherFrost If you can't answer a question without asking a question of your own, you are mentally deficient.
Hah, no. I want you to say what i mean by following the step-by-step explanation you get by answering my questions. That way i make sure that you either:
A. Show that you don't know what you are talking about.
or
B. Answer your own question.
If you answer your own question i avoid continuing this ping-pong where you ignore the parts that you don't like.
If you show that you don't understand basic biology and sociology, you discredit yourself.
So i am not going to continue the ping-pong match. Either answer my questions and get your answer, or continue arguing with a mirror. By the way you already showed lack of basic knowledge of philosophy.
@BrotherFrost You are literally too stupid to answer a simple question?
I think it great! But I don’t think it should be forced in a tv show either. If a plot needs an lgbtq+ character then by all means!
Puke-inducing degeneracy at it's finest! Absolutely grotesque and disgusting!
U r Muslim?
It's insanity. Corrupting children's minds from early on.
The world doesn't revolve around your Islamic extremism.
How is common knowledge Islamic extremism? But nice try, SJW.
Muslims believe gayness is evil, just like you believe. So you are the same. I mean if that's what you believe, then that's what you believe. I can't reason with a religious fanatic. :(
But I do not believe in Islam, what is so hard to understand? Because I don't feed into bumlshit pro-gayness propaganda, doesn't make me a Muslim extremist, or a Muslim at all. Christians, actual Christians, oppose this disgusting trend aswell.
You're a bad troll.
I accept lgbt people, but on deep emotional level I dont support lgbt stuff on kids shows.
Only bad ideologies need to be propagated to children in order for there to be any adults who accept it.
Not a fan of sexualization in children's shows period.
It doesn't belong. LGBT is an ideology and it doesn't belong in the culture.
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