If you got to be irate and desperate in life, how would you want to be treated?

[lightbulb27]

This is an inflight trial, feel free to be anon if you might be called for future jury duty.

In short... Neely was irate and a train passenger held him down til he died.

Neely had lost his parents, had failed in life as a Michael Jackson impersonator... was at minimum hungry and lost. The system failed him, parents failed, and nyc... has little compasion for such persons.

The solution in NYC in general is to ignore people until they go away. Sometimes, there's altercations. In this case, Daniel Penny engagd and held him down to protect himself and others. Neely died while being restrained.

How would you handle an irate person that is scaring passengers and making demands... e. g. wants help? NOTE: Neely as I understand did not touch or assault anyone (as far as I know).

https://www.foxnews.com/us/man-who-helped-daniel-penny-pin-down-jordan-neely-says-marine-wasnt-holding-tight-enough?dicbo=v2-BniQwoS

I'd want people to show compassion and talk me down

I'd appreciate if someone stronger got control of me and held me down... but not kill me

Something else

[Juxtapose]

Your post is meant to garner pity for someone who is acting like an idiot just because they are on hard times. No I am not playing along with that.

There's plenty of people with very fucked up lives who have had severe trauma.. they adapt and get through it. I don't like excusing weakness but at the same time you don't kill someone willy-nilly however. I know how to hold someone down without crushing their windpipe, breaking their spine or other such things.

So yeah, multiple people fucked up in this scenario but at the very least if someone acts really dumb in public they can expect an ass whooping unless they are in a nice neighborhood.

[Juxtapose]

You certainly don't fucking kill someone though unless you absolutely have to, I should stress that.

[lightbulb27]

That is the conflict in the question and I re-framed the question more than once to get out of the "fault" mindset, but more into the "problem resolution" mindset.
These same things happen over and over.. as there are assumptions, mis interpretations and mistakes. And it costs people their lives and freedom.
That is the essence of my question. If you went nuts, you'd expect an ass whopping... is your answer. You are ok if a group of mixed race guys including muslims and palestinians delivers that... accidentally to your death?
Or you'd prefer people are skilled at talking you down emotionally, providing water, food, social support, emotional support, encouragement, hope... etc..

[Juxtapose]

If I lose control and go nuts, I don't expect to be babied. Race is irrelevant either.

I don't want people trying to treat me like a child. I expect to pay dearly if I act beyond certain societal boundaries. I am to keep the peace and public order or I suffer severe consequences. 100% responsibility for my own actions lie within myself.

Infantilizing adults is disastrous for society.

[NathanDavis]

I know at least a dozen different ways to restrain someone properly and without risking their lives

if I ever got stupid I would like for someone to use any of those... I were out of control like a nut, then I would definitely need to be restrained for the safety of others, no excuses...

(note: I didn't check the video link or anything, I just answered the question)

[lightbulb27]

good answer. it assumes others know techniques and are skilled. in the case above, he was trained but in military.

[NathanDavis]

he was not properly trained... that was my point

[lightbulb27]

ah, I was wondering if he was more trained to kill... because military...

[IslaTheWitch]

I would wish for someone to restrain me gently, so I can't others or myself, and then that someone would put an effort into understanding what has happened to me and, if possible, to help me...

[lightbulb27]

that be ideal!

[Nikki1989]

I would seek people that can offer me empathy and understanding.

[Anonymous]

Jordan Neely. Who is responsible for his death? Subway Hero Penny or the soft on crime New York DA Bragg for not locking criminal Neely up? He was quick to go after Penny but refused to go after Neely after all the crimes he committed which included 4 assaults on women in the subway. One woman got her eye socket shattered by Neely. Time for DA Bragg to lose his job.

[lightbulb27]

yes, but that wasn't' my question.

[seeyounexttuesday]

so it's ok to threaten to murder people who are on their way to be productive members of society? GTFOH.

Neely was offered a variety of public services and rejected them all after two weeks.

[seeyounexttuesday]

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