If steroids are illegal for athletes, should photoshop be illegal for models?

[Anonymous]

i mean come on! lololol XD
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yes

no

maybe so? (explain)

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+1 y

oooh! love the debate! such a close tie between yes and no! very interesting...

[Creole_Flavor]

Nope not the same, Photo enhancement exist for a reason to enhance photos and cover flaws. Sometimes things go overboard but t the end of the day its just business. As for steroids that is illegal for athletes because you are cheating when competing against other athletes that depend on natural talent and practicing for strength and body building and as for modeling when a model has a portfolio her pictures of her in a natural state and when they go to auditions and casting calls they are not allowed to wear makeup and their hair has to be pinned up or worn straight they don't get gigs based on their Photoshopped pics. Totally different so do some research. If Photoshop did not exist or was banned Photographers would be out of jobs and so will graphic designers like me lose profits for not being able to do photo enhancement. It's not hurting anyone except for women to are insecure and constantly compare themselves to women in magazines instead learning to love and accept themselves. It should motivate them to change if they feel the need to naturally because you can't use Photoshop when you walk out the door.

[Creole_Flavor]

This model posted this herself. Not much of a difference here just some airbrush and some photo manipulation on the breasts.

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[lanternhill]

In terms of making people feel bad, I think Photoshop is a terrible idea. However, it's an effective marketing tool and that's why it's allowed - it accomplishes the purpose of advertising. On the other hand, steroids hurt the sport which is based on the idea of fair competition. It's not about individual models competing, it's about selling products.
The idea of falseness/fakeness is there but otherwise they're not really related ideas.

[scrappygirl]

no it shouldn't i dont get why people think that models in magazines actually look real my cousin is 14 and even she knows that what she sees in magazines isn't real so i dont buy the excuse that kids get insecure about it absolutely no one in real life looks like that and if anyone believes they do they are delusional and stupid

[Asker]

haha well good for your cousin! she sounds very mature for her age and that will help her. but i mean all of those girls who are not so mature and dont understand that this isn't real without seeing the beofre shot posted next to it :(

[Theguyoverthere]

Honestly, even without photos in a modeling competition people do things to "gain an edge." For example, in a bikini contest many girls use synthol for their butts. It's not a steroid, but it is an alteration technically. Some can say "it's just oil" another can consider is crossing the line. It'd like like making breast implants illegal I guess you can say.

Photoshops would also be hard to be made illegal because those things are mainly just advertisements for things like clothes and stuff. There's really no case for it.

You also have people who say "Its my body I can do what I want" to an extreme.

[JackKerouac77]

Hilarious and good question.

Hence why I don't read magazine ads, ever.

[Asker]

hahaha i do, but just passing by in the grocery store for some laughs XD its like once you get it in your head what they do to make the models look like that, you can't help laugh at the ridiculousness of it! but i feel bad for younger kids and insecure people who are like, im so ugly, ill never look like that :(

[JackKerouac77]

Yep, just need to tell them it isn't real

[Asker]

hopefully with these next geerations knowing more about technology, well be able to explain wht is really happening in the pictures before it affects them. meanwhile, im sure it still hurts

[JackKerouac77]

Tell everyone you can until then!

[JackKerouac77]

Thanks for MH!

[Asker]

no prob!

[Eugene]

Sportsmen perform for results that you can actually measure. Like time, distance, height, score etc. This is why steroids/doping give them an unfair advantage over the possible limits of human body. You must work hard in order to perform better than the rest. Basically anyone can be a champion, it just takes years of determination, training and practice.

While you can't really measure models (everyone person has his own taste), they are out there just as an eye candy object, nothing more. It takes no skill, no hard performance, nothing. As long as you're somewhat pretty, you know the right people and you're okay to sleep and suck your way through, you're good to go.

So tuning them in photoshop just to make them look better cannot be compared to use of steroids/doping in sports.

[rawr156]

"It takes no skill, no hard work, nothing" are you f***ing kidding me. Modeling takes more work than your ass can even imagine. You have to eat healthy, gym every day, you have to be toned, fit and you have to know how to work your body to get the picture. Not to mention shooting in extreme weather conditions in 6 inch heels.

"as long as you're okat to sleep your way through it" this is just offensive. As a former model, in no way does anyone ever ask you to "suck through it". Ever. In the fashion industry it's all about image, for the models the photographers, agents, etc. if someone ever tells you that you won't get the job unless you sleep with them, they would never, ever be hired again.

Educate yourself before you make a stupid comment

[Eugene]

@rawr156
So I guess you're a "former" model because you refused to suck and sleep your way through?

And yes, modelling takes no skill, no brains and no hard performance.
Eat healthy, wow, that's damn hard. Digging gold in mines and saving people from fire is just a child's play when you compare these activities to eating healthy. I mean, it must be extremely painful to make yourself a healthy meal 3-4 times a day that takes about 10 minutes to cook.
Gym every day, stay toned and fit? Damn, I hit the gym just because I'm bored from time to time, yet I can honestly say my body is relatively toned and fit. So yeah, I guess it takes a lot of ridiculously hard work and performance.
As for "knowing your body": choreographer and photographer do that for you, you just follow orders.

So modelling is one of the most useless, brainless and easiest jobs out there. The only reason why it's hard to get there is because there are tons of folks who want to have an easy job like that.

[rawr156]

@Eugene
Firstly, I quit modeling because I wanted to be an engineer, and am currently studying engineering.

Second, you have no actual idea what the hell you're talking about. Modeling is one of the most competitive businesses and you have to be good at what you do to even be able to scratch the surface. Just because they don't " ig for gold" they contribute a s*** load to the economy. And there are no choreographers in modeling, it's all on the model. If she doesn't get the picture she's going to have a hard time being hired again.

Modeling is just like any other skill. If photography hard? Is it just standing around and pressing a button? No. Same this with modeling. You work with the photographer to create something beautiful.
It might be easy enough to be a model, but it's really hard to be a good model. Just like it's easy to be a photographer, but takes major skill to be a good photographer.

[rawr156]

Not to mention the fact that take a really tough skin and confidence to face the judgment of society and idiots like you

[Eugene]

@rawr156

Modelling is competitive for the reason I stated above: it's an easy ticket in life (requires no skills, no brains, no talent, nothing but natural good looks) and plenty of people want that.
Those earlier things you've mentioned (such as "eating healthy food" and "hit the gym") are hilarious.

Taking a photo takes a certain level of creativity. Not exactly as high as drawing a picture from the scratch, but still. Besides, photographers usually tell models what they should do and they just follow orders. And yes, I don't really consider photography a hard skill to master, but at least it has some kind of creative requirement to find the right angle to make something that looks "meh" to look "okay".

And indeed, it takes a tough skin to face judgement, just like you said: it's kinda hard to swallow that you're basically useless and good-for-nothing eye candy toy, I can totally agree on this one.

[rawr156]

@Eugene
I think that you should shut the hell up about something your idiot brain know nothing about. It's useless arguing with your undeveloped prejuduce mind.

[Eugene]

@rawr156
If you can't win an argument, just start throwing insults. Good ol' tactic.
Anyway, bye-bye.

[rawr156]

@Eugene
Take care

[TadCurious]

I actually think the realistic (real) photos are better, because they look like how real girls look in real life. (I just used "real" too many times in one sentence.) And to me, "real" looks hotter. Because it's real. I think that's 6 times I used "real."

[Asker]

hahaha exactly!

[LokiOfEngland]

Steroids are illegal not just because it gives athletes an unfair advantage but because they can cause you health problems. Look at all the famous wrestlers from the 1980s who took steroids. So many died quite young because of heart problems caused by steroid use.

Photoshop may be misleading but it's not hurting anyone.

[Asker]

what abou tthe people who are killing themselves to look like this?

[LokiOfEngland]

So do you think Auto-Tune that people who can't sing very good use to record albums with should be illegal too?

[Asker]

personally as a singer, yes! haha, but im talking about photoshop. autotune is annoying but photoshop can actually be detrimental to the people who kill themselves trying to look like this. but im sure it will never be illegal anyway so...

[LokiOfEngland]

I do understand your point. I'm just not sure banning photoshop is necessary.

Photoshop is not the Problem Photoshop in itself does nothing, it is a program designed to help photographers produce their best work and tweak images. Maybe we should ban physical alteration of images - allow touch ups but not changing size or shape of people - but then it's to hard to police. Maybe we just need to educate users of the impact these images have not only on young girls/boys but on the models that you are making thinner, more muscular or more "beautiful" - that's an insult right there.

Banning Photoshop is not necessary, educating people and changing cultural expectations is.

[Asker]

yes! thanks thats what i meant! of course you can't ban photoshop (my friends a graphic artist and would probably kill me if i advocated for that XD) but i mean physical alterations of sizes and shapes of models should not be allowed

[Tokana]

There is no study ever published that supports this claim:

So many died quite young because of heart problems caused by steroid use.

[bubble_tea]

It depends on the ads.. making the models wear fake eyelashes and photoshop them to the extreme to sell your mascara should be illegal.

I haven't bought a mag in years. I thought they do need to state now that the pics have been digitally altered.. but I guess most people just don't know by 'how much'.

[TripleAce]

Well it's very different. Sports are for titles, money and athletic challenges. Having a levelled playing field is very important.

Magazines are made to look good. It's marketing and advertising. They must appeal to the audience. Why does a Big Mac always look so delish in pictures vs when you actually buy it. Because there going to put pictures that set the standard

[Tokana]

There has never been a study published that support the claim that moderate steroid use is detrimental to ones health. Its steroid abuse that's the problem, but the same could be said about alcohol abuse and much more deadly tobacco use.

Photoshop shouldn't be illegal because its simply changing the way a picture looks and has no effect on humans.

[MaiNameIsSunshine]

Yes photo shop should be banned, the portrayal of beauty in media is very horrific, it just leads people to have an idea of idealization that is impossible to achieve leaving people to have self-image issues.

[Asker]

yuppers!

[Anonymous]

It shouldn't be illegal because not everyone has that perfect body and if it's a marketing campaign would you rather them be anorexic or have some fat like a normal being... And I part time model to get myself through business school but I'm not a skinny stick and I don't mind if they change it

[sovetskii13]

Hmmm... you make a good point. Well, we all know pictures in magazines and other places that have models are all fake but we don't always know if sportsmen are all on steroids. This will take some long-term thinking.

[rthomas43]

No, if people are too dumb to realize everything in magazines is fake, then they deserve to be insecure.

[aamy811]

I knew things where photoshopped but they didn't stop me from wanting to look like that an honking there was something wrong with myself

[aamy811]

I think Photoshop should be illegal period. I think it gives unapproachable standards. Once girls (I'm using girls because I'm a girl and can relate) learn that stretch marks, scars and belly pooches are normal they'll stop killing themselves

[aamy811]

Lao models don't choose to be photoshopped someone else decides that

[Anonymous]

What is it with women and this stuff? Society is all about striving for perfection and this is no different. There's nothing wrong with that. It only hurts YOU if you let it. Just ignore it if it bothers you.

Men are idealized and and objectified just as much as women but you don't hear them constantly complaining about it.

[Alej27]

Haha amazing question! They cheat and that should be noted or informed at least... it gets people to think that's the norm

[Asker]

hahha! like those little surgeons general warnings on cigarettes lol!

[Alej27]

I know be aware pic has been twicked so that the model lost 10lbs

[Asker]

XD the camera adds 10 lbs and photoshop takes away 30!

[JustinCaseUDontKnow]

Nope cause females aren't abusing steroids to make their bodies look better now they could be over doing it with botox injections

[Asker]

*disclaimer, not just women do this
just to haunt your dreams XD =>www.drpersky.com/.../...ot-top-plastic-surgery.jpg

[smackforthepriest]

How about the belimia?

[Asker]

@smackforthepriest thanksy you!

[electromagnetic]

Photoshop will never be illegal br aide IT doesn't exactly cause bodily harm. Just destroys confidence. But I get what you mean.

[Asker]

haha i know it could never really be illegal, cause like capitalism and selling the image but it just seems so unfortunate XD

[sonia1013201]

No, coz photoshop saves makeup money. Like steroid Photoshop doesn't effect health of the models. So, very funny question u have asked

[chrisbigman]

Yeah, I would say it should be illegal. After all, flaws are sexy.

[Anonymous]

You picked out really bad examples. Almost all of those pictures were only so people could see what photoshop can do, not to be actually put on magazines and shit. Not all of them are even real models.

But yes. I think photoshop should be banned.

[rawr156]

Ok, the pictures you chose are not very good example, none of those would ever be published in an actual magazine

[thewanderingme]

yes. yes, of course it should be. that makes perfect sense. 0. O