Why are girls and women allowed to wear pants and cross dress when if boys and men wore dresses, they'd get laughed at?

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Shouldn't girls and women get laughed at for wearing pants. The Bible clearly forbids cross dressing. Yes, pants were designed for men and no, they didn't have them in Jesus' time.

If females can be confident in pants, why can't males be confident in their skirts and kilts?

Men: be proud of your kilts and tunic brethren. Speak up, if need be to draw awareness and not let media belittle our great sex we experience,

Women: do not tolerate this double to continue in future generations. Speak up.

[Bonnie676]

No girls shouldn't get laughed at for wearing pants because A) many people are atheists B) even if they aren't atheists, most Christian's are true fundamentals following everything such as not eating pig or wearing mixed fabric & C) laughing at women for their clothing choice doesn't make any sense and you can't shame people into changing. The you say "if females can be confident in pants, why can't males be confident in their skirts and kilts" which doesn't really make sense because you just suggested females should be laughed at for it... which I also want to point out that there is such think as going into a women's department and buying clothing designed for a women vs. a men's department so I don't think if it's designed w/ women in mind it's cross dressing. The younger generations and main stream media is ok with and supports genders not wearing traditional clothing associated with their gender and I don't think this is that pressing of an issue

[Bonnie676]

That face is not meant to be there

[Bonnie676]

And I meant to say "most Christians are NOT true fundamentals

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@Bonnie676
There's no such thing as an atheist.
https://www.heavennet.net/writings/atheist.htm

Also, I'm saying if men wearing skirts and dresses gets laughed at, then maybe women wearing pants should too. It was a theoretical saying to if one does, maybe both should or if one doesn't, neither should. But never just 1 get laughed at and the other doesn't.

[Bonnie676]

Ok. You can think of me as agnostic then but I'm still going to call myself an atheist because that represents my position better and I'm not going to read that article sorry. No I don't think anyone should get laughed at like that and I don't think that that's really comparable because most women get their pants from the women's clothing department --it's not cross dressing to me and a man wearing a skirt can be a skirt made for a man but society doesn't see a skirt as a male garment so a man doing that is more like cross dressing and more against the Bible than a women wearing pants from the women's department ---- largely accepted for women. If you want to keep gender roles like the Bible suggests then you should want men to keep wearing pants from the men's department and women to wear them from the female department, that makes more sense to me I like gender roles personally

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@Bonnie676
That article proves why you can't be an atheist.

So you're sexist and into sexist roles? Anybody who believes in gender roles is sexist. I wear short shorts. Isn't that sexy?

[Bonnie676]

Maybe I am sexist to some people but so be it. I don't want to live in a world where boys and girls have no differences personally but people are going to do what they do. I don't personally think that is sexist expeccialy when men and women are biologically different and that effects the things we do and don't do but I don't think that makes either sex superior... the Bible is full of gender roles by the way, women are supposed to be quite, gentle and homemakers. I don't think short shorts on a male are sexy and I think if you do that you are likely to attract only gay men or at least mostly

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@Bonnie676
What makes women so special that only they get to show off their legs?

I'm not a homosexual at all. I don't adhere to sexist dogma. The Bible supports many things like not eating pork.

Why should boys and girls be different? Male cats and females cats aren't different. Neither are any other male and female species.

Males are females are biologically the same, not different.

How do you want boys and girls to differ?

[Bonnie676]

It's doesn't make women more special that they "get" to show off their legs, and men are allowed to show their legs by the way.. and if you don't believe in the Bible are you saying you think God is a liar? Men and females cats are different (periods, child birth, temperament) how could you not know that males and females are biologically different by the way? It's very surprising because most people know about xy and xx chromosomes. There brains are also different (even tho one isn't smarter than the other the size is different and it's been shown the two sexes respond differently to drugs because of the brain) their life span, the hormones. In no way are females are males biologically the same, any biologist will tell you

[Bonnie676]

I want females and males to be different in that i would like it if it was expected for men to be chivalrous, I wouldn't like it if a man never held a door open, wouldn't dare help a women with her suitcase because she is equal and should be able to do anything a man can just as well, men are naturally stronger because of testosterone, it is just a fact. I also think that it's nice when there is a female and a male who have different "energies" you could say and bring something different to a relationship or a perfective

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@Bonnie676
We both have eyes, both have brains, both have hearts, both have skin, feet, fingernails, hair, beards, armpit hair, leg hair, etc. We are biologically equal.

You don't believe in God. How could you use that analogy for me when you don't adhere to it yourself?

How are boys and girls differ? More importantly, how do you want them different?

[Bonnie676]

I'm tired tbh. We just see things very differently
Agree to disagree how about that

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@Bonnie676
Why would you hold such sexist views? Chivalry is sexist. Why not women open doors for women. At 5'4" 138 lbs, I'm hardly stronger than most women. I'm above average strength of a woman.

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I meant about average strength.

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@Bonnie676
You see women as better than men and think only women get to wear makeup and only men should pay on dates and only men should open doors for women. No way can a 16 year old girl value such views. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Why not women open doors for men, pay for men, etc also?

[Bonnie676]

Then according to your definition I'm sexist... C'est la vie, oh well I still think that. and someday when I meet a guy they will think the same thing as me. I think if you worked out you would be much stronger than a female and are probably naturally stronger and just don't realize it

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@Bonnie676
Would you mind telling me about these views in private messaging?

[electrikrainb0w]

It is an effect of sexism towards women (although that may seem backwards). Women are associated with dresses and men with pants. Men are viewed highly by society so women are considered to be rising up when they wear pants. Women are lower so when a man wears a dress he is considered to be lowering himself to the status of women! For example, "hitting like a girl" is viewed to mean hitting poorly. "Crying like a girl" is viewed to mean a sign of weakness. I think everyone should be free to wear what they wish to wear but the best thing we can do to make that happen is try to make women (and thereby things that are considered feminine) considered better. If women are considered true equals to men (and thereby all things feminine) then dresses, crying, and being a stay at home parent will not hold the negative connotation it has today for men who do the same.

[yotes-of-472]

That is so true. I have been mentioning the tomboy vs effeminate issue for awhile at different forums. I don't get as intelligent as answers as yours. I generally get the 'suck it up' and 'dude, you want to look like a faggot' type answers and it shows their intelligence isn't high.

You are a brilliant woman.

[electrikrainb0w]

Haha thanks! I'm glad I'm able to provide a satisfying answer! :)

[AriadneSky]

finally someone answers this question intelligently. thank you and i agree. but now i dont have to say it :-)

[1Anon]

You're definitely right there!

[Jemini_Crocket]

Perfectly written! No need to say my opinion because you already did. :)

[Avaavaavah]

I agree

[Hello1216]

I don't know. I don't think it's fair I think men should wear what they want and women too. I honestly think it's still strange to some people because for millions of years the man was always a strong masculine figure and still is in most cases. Hopefully that could change soon I mean I live in Toronto and I don't think too many people care if a man cross dresses it's pretty common here and I think most people are accepting in Toronto. But I'm not a cross dresser so they know best this is just an assumption. Could be bad on their end I don't know.

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Blue Jays, Maple Leafs and Raptors. How common is it that somebody there likes all 3 teams?

[Hello1216]

LOL as common as Canadians being extra polite. Very 😛

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Ok, that's understandable then.

[Itsmeyay]

I don't want to wear a dress and seeing men wear dresses would in my opinion bring the male image down. This it might be to do with males being higher ranked than females from general society point of view, I guess, no offense ladies, but woman wearing pants are deemed more successfully is what I read once, so men wearring dresses would be a negative aspect in our masculinity in the eyes of society, different cultures would also interpret this differently, it's just how we grew up over the ages, look at Arabian men, they have dresses and the richest of the rich wear them. I personally like to see the difference between a man and a woman When I look at somebody.

[ILoveChicks]

If you want to wear dress or a skirt, go for it. I will not care what you wear

[LittleSally]

Isn't it an oxymoron to be a bible thumping sexist and a crossdresser? Jesus wore a dress... so can you. Good luck with your logic.

[yotes-of-472]

Who says a dress says a man a cross dresses? I can say you wearing pants makes you a cross dresser. So when girls are tomboys, you agree? When boys are effeminate, you disagree?

So if a woman challenges a man's ideas. she's standing up to him but if a man challenges a woman's ideas, he's sexist?

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I meant to say, who says a dress makes a man...

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Rather be a Bible thumper than a wordly thumper.

[milopiano]

Actually, in ancient times, women, who worked in the fields shucking corn and planting seeds for their next harvest, had to wear pants. This was because when the women were some distance away from others, anyone could come upon her and rape her. It was far more difficult when the women wore pants. Harder work for the rapist, and more time to break away for them.

Also, whilst in battle, men were known for wearing skirts. Why? Pants chafed, and were difficult to climb with. Skirts had plenty of room, and they could climb stairs and hills quicker.

So the pants were used by women in Bible times, and in Rome. Ladies can wear pants if they please, men can wear skirts if they please. I see no difference.

[yotes-of-472]

Wow!! Are you really this intelligent at age 14?

[SweetHomicidalQueen]

I think its apart of the double standards due to the good intentions of feminism, which has now turned into a band of feminazis who ruined the fight for equality. Society has tried to be more accepting for women being who they are but by doing so they expect men to be better and put men down. I still see a lot of shit for women acting manly at all, so its less of just "pants" and more of a cross dressing thing or acting more like the other gender. Women are expected to be ladylike while men are expected to be manly and strong.

[chigurl33]

Personally I think it looks weird and I'm not a fan of the dressing but that's just my opinion... some people don't care. You shouldn't care about what I think, you're your own person. Everyone has their own judgements and you can't force them to think any differently. It's like trying to convince a gay person they're straight... everyone has their own prejudices and you have to respect that.

Even people that say they don't judge judge those that do judge, I hope you understand where I'm going. As long as it's not illegal, go for it. There's nothing that's universally accepted... get over it and learn how to appreciate differences between people. It brings a whole new light to life.

[Zoe_mwm]

I do not mean to come across rude or close minded and I hope people can see where I am coming from...
pants were designed to be unisex so that's off the list already.
Dresses are a global symbol for feminism - thus the idea of a masculine profile portraying such a feminine look can be often unpleasing to the average eye, it's how our brains were wired. It may even be distressing at times as to be frank, most guys seen wearing dresses in public are usually just 'taking the piss' and looking for attention.

[Curious625]

That's a valid point tbh it just the way most societies are conditioned. Just the way a girl can wear the exact same tracksuit as a man but he can't wear the same dress as her without some ridicule. Everyone has a right to dress as they please so do so freely and with confidence. You just have to accept the fact that depending on the society your in and their values on gender role and identification they may assume you to be homosexual or transsexual. As unfortunate as this may be this is just one of those things. You can't change the minds of every individual but you can embrace yourself and aim to be the best version of yourself, whatever you think that is. I live in the U. K. where t shirts and jeans are the norm but in other parts of the world wearing these is laughed at because their cultural dress is something different.

[KittyImpala67]

Well if pant's weren't around in biblical times then they could have been unisex and just changed over time to be for men. I think men look good in kilt's and makeup, the confidence that it takes to dress like that is hot. The patriarchy just screwed everyone up but giving men more masculine roles and expectations and women not so much because women were never considered capable of much. Technically women aren't allowed to cross dress we just do because girl power, sister suffragettes and confidence. If more men pushed the envelope and cross dressed more often with confidence it would be come acceptable. :)

[TokyoGhoulLover]

Well considering its a Patriarchal society, women are considered (Not that I Agree In anyway Nazi feminists) the "weaker" more childish sex, so women wearing men's clothes is in the men's eyes (Society wise everyone is different) its like a child playing dress up, its cute when they emulate men. Whereas if men wear skirts or kilts it is like they are emulating the Weaker sex and Is therefore viewed negatively for... I guess basically being a Pansy for it

Not saying its right, its just how it is,

[WaterRat]

Toga or kilt party everyone (school girl skirt for girls?)! My house, Friday night. I think it's hilarious when men dress up as women for Halloween or for fun on TV. It's funny because it's uncomfortable but it breaks free from the norm. I get squirmish when I see women dressing up as men too. People love dressing up as something they don't usually wear. Kurt Cobain wore a dress in an interview once. Skirts are annoying to wear because they're hard to run in or they fly up in the wind.

Now what to do with the horrible tight clothes madness trend rampant. (I smell another poll...)

[jacquesvol]

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[jacquesvol]

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[jacquesvol]

Do they look effeminate?

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No, do I?

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[jacquesvol]

Charles Manson's brother?

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https://s1108.photobucket.com/user/bones34/profile

[MsElizabeth96]

As to the Bible thing, The Mosaic Law does condemn cross dressing, but there's such think as trousers designed for women so it doesn't count. Styles have changed a lot but we still have a pretty distinct line between clothes for males and for females, so as long as your stick to your category you're good.
Another interesting thing I notice- It's more acceptable for a man to have feminine facial features than a woman to have masculine ones.
I Guess it's ok for men to BE feminine but not act it, and women to act masculine but not be it.

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@MsElizabeth96
Can you explain last 2 sentences?

[nalaa]

Pants are now unisex. About 100 years ago women would get dirty looks for wearing pants. And in the late 1800s women would even get arrested for wearing pants. That continued even until the 1960s, though less frequent
So all it takes is for more men to wear dresses and about a 100 years for people to get used to it And be glad you're only being laughed at

[shadowlegend]

Men have been accepted in wearing kilts or skirts for many, many years. In earlier centuries men's fashion was based on robes or tunics in many cultures. And even high heels were originally designed for men. Women have a much harder time being accepted for their fashion choices.

[goodgirl27]

well high heels were originally worn by men not women. Our culture is stupid, and it depends on where you live. If you want to live in a more liberal area then move to a more liberal area where people dont care about that stuff. And no conservative mindsets have a right to exist just like liberal mindsets do. So move to where it is welcome and you will be where you need to be.

[yotes-of-472]

It would seem skirts and dresses protects men's private areas better and make more sense to be for them than women and pants makes more sense for women.

[goodgirl27]

no skirts for women make sense because it hides the space between their legs. that was the point of them.

[yotes-of-472]

You mean no, skirts, not no skirts. You forgot the comma between no and skirts. That changes the perception.

[laleahh33]

I wish it was more culturally accepted for guys to wear skirts and dresses too. I don't know why it hasn't gone both ways yet. But, you can try to start the trend. You may get people following you or you may get laughed at. But, if you can handle the stares and possible judgement from other people.. then you should do it. I think it would be awesome and very brave of someone if they did that. Straight up.

[topcat15]

I am a straight guy who does wear dresses and skirts - as a man, not trying to impersonate a woman, because l find them so much more comfortable than trousers/pants.
I was a little apprehensive on the first few occasions I went out wearing a dress or skirt, but I have been amazed at how many women are supportive. And the best bit... when I get a compliment from a woman about the dress or skirt that I am wearing.

[wankiam]

pants were not designed just for men... they were designed for heavy manual work which it just so happens was almost the sole preserve of men at the time. later like during the world wars women took to wearing pants as they filled in male job roles while the men were away fighting. i dont dismiss the rest of your case but im a welder in a cold country so i won't be wearing a skirt anytime soon.

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It's cold in the United Kingdom? Wow, I thought European countries were mainly hot and cold depending on the season.

[wankiam]

it can get warm in summer but my cars are all iced up on the driveway right now but that really wasn't the main point of what i said

[wankiam]

oh and bear in mind the uk is really northern Europe

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lol, not the main part but it was the last time.

[Neverneverland]

I think it's because men tend to pride themselves on their masculinity and women on their beauty. A woman can feel pretty in pants more easily than a man can feel manly in a dress. Also, various movements and circumstances have called for women to wear pants, but none for men to wear skirts.

[yotes-of-472]

Wouldn't that mean that the default dress code is masculine?

[Neverneverland]

Not necessarily. A woman would probably feel prettier in feminine clothes but not to the degree that a man would feel more masculine in pants. Women still tend to wear dresses to occasions where looking good is more important than usual, but usually wear pants on a daily basis. Of course, there are many exceptions.

[yotes-of-472]

Name those many exceptions.

What I meant by default code is that female airplane flight attendants wear suits and ties but nowhere does a profession have all members wear togas, etc hardly or anything deemed feminine.

[Neverneverland]

By exceptions, I just meant that women wear skirts in casual situations sometimes and pants in formal situations sometimes. I don't really understand the rest of your comment, but I suppose menswear has become almost unisex because of the various movements and hardships compelling women to be more masculine. Also, clothing tends to become more masculine or more feminine in cycles. Now, I think the pendulum is swinging back a bit. (Also, I know this is basically irrelevant, but togas were only worn by men and prostitutes. The respectable female equivalent was a stola.--dork fact)

[Hidden_P]

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Stop being two faced. Partly for what @LittleSally said but, and I can't stress this enough.

WE DONT ALL SHARE YOUR RELIGION.

Religion is like a penis. You might have one, you might be proud of it, but don't shove it down others necks.

Speak to the meme if the hand ain't listening.

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Religion or not, it is still immoral to cross dress. I don't get why you are hating on my question.

[Kapakani]

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Well you're on your own with this one mate!!! Because this, girls in these, will always and forever be welcome 😌

[yotes-of-472]

Hey, I didn't say cross dressers can't be sexy tho.

[Kapakani]

Haha touché mate touché

[Cherokeehp]

I think boys should be allowed to wear skirts and dresses. It's just a piece of fabric wrapped around your leg and you're not hurting anybody. Wear whatever you want. But no matter what you're wearing or what you do their will always be people that will judge you for your choices.

[JuicyBrain]

They are allowed! They just don't want to wear them.
Tell me, do you wear makeup or shave your legs or get your hair done or otherwise go through some sort of ritual to make you look good as a woman?
If you do, then it's because you are concerned about the image you project. You don't want to look like a guy or like a hobo right? So why should guys want to look like girls? Would you be attracted by a guy wearing red lipstick and a skirt?

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@JuicyBrain

It is natural for men to have long hair. It is natural for women not to wear make up. Male clowns wear make up. Are they wusses?

[JuicyBrain]

No, they are clowns.
Where are you going?

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@JuicyBrain

Look up at the other reply.