Would you care if your son wanted to wear makeup?

[Anonymous]

The kind of makeup that makes them look feminine.

[hellionthesagereborn]

Yes and no. If it turned out they are transgender then no, otherwise yes. If you are male you need to be male, if their is a medical condition i. e. transgenderism, that is beyond your control and you do what you need to to actualize yourself in the best way that you can. A male who cannot function as a male is useless in the eyes of society and women and will always be disfunctional and never be able to self actualize, as such allowing them to do as they will without guidance or rules or some kind of frame work to function within, regardless of what they are doing, is deterimental and destructive to them (which is probably why you see substantially higher rates of mental issues and depression with those who are "progressive" then those who are not, because without structure they don't know how to function and be their best selves.).

[abc3643]

I would not be for that, no.

It's one thing to be homosexual by being a homosexual or woman has nothing to do with makeup. Many women may use make-up, but that's cultural; it's not an intrinsic trait to being a woman, so there's no need for a gay male to wear it.

Furthermore, all wearing feminine-looking make-up does is target the gay male for harassment and violence. Ask Jack Twist about that.

Lastly, if you are a gay male and you want to attract another GAY male, why the fuck would you want to look like a female? The other gay males are into ___males___... That's what makes them gay!

[Ninjazzed]

I don’t think you quite grasp the full gravity of homosexuality and what it means.

The same logic can be applied to lesbians who want to have the appearance of a man, or being “butch” so to speak.

Effeminacy in men has a lot to do with a mindset. Most of us are familiar with the stereotype of a “gay voice.”

A man speaks at a higher pitch, and in a more melodious fashion.

This can be due to high estrogen levels or simply because his brain is more female than male.

Estrogen levels can reach a certain concentration and stimulate part of the hypothalamus, the small portion of the brain that regulates body temp and sex drive.

[abc3643]

@Ninjazzed I do understand the gravity of homosexuality and don't disagree with you because I know that lots of homosexuals have identity issues and want to identify as members of the opposite sex.

My thrust in my post - and I know that I wasn't clear - is that fashion choices are not intrinsic to sexuality and orientation.

The butch lesbian who wants to dress like a man or the gay boy who wants to wear feminine makeup are doing so because these are the current fashion / makeup trends for these genders. The gay boy wants to wear makeup to appear more like a woman because he feels himself more as a woman than a man. But, make-up doesn't define who a woman is. And, furthermore, the gay boy is not a woman.

Like the butch lesbian, he should be free to dress however he wants and that includes make-up. But I have the freedom to not like it. And I don't like it really primarily because, as the hypothetical father of a gay boy, I see the make-up as a target. Old adages: 1) The tallest blade of grass is the one that is cut first. 2) It's the squeaky wheel that gets the oil. In both of these, action happens to you when you call attention to yourself. A boy appearing feminine like that screams out being gay and sets him up for harassment or violence. Being gay should be a private matter; if you don't want to be treated differently don't act differently.

So, I understand what you are saying and don't deny it.
I'd want my gay son to survive and thrive in our world and the reality is that the more effeminate he is - (especially when by choice of clothes or make-up), the less likely he will survive and thrive.

[Ninjazzed]

“Being gay should be a private matter; if you don't want to be treated differently don't act differently”

Yeah, I don’t think so. People will stick out like a sore thumb, so I wouldn’t expect them not to deviate from the collective hivemind. It’s something you’re born with, that’s like telling a disabled person not to appear disabled, even though it’s beyond their control.

[abc3643]

@Ninjazzed Do you have a job? Do you want to KEEP your job? Then you understand that there are certain expectations on behavior. You are free to do what you want (once, at least), but others don't have to like it and THEY have the freedom to react accordingly - including firing people.

[Ninjazzed]

How does being gay correlate with keeping a job? Are you implying that there aren’t already equal-opportunity/discrimination laws in place?

[Ninjazzed]

An employer can’t terminate your employment simply based on your sexual orientation, that’s against the law.

[abc3643]

@Ninjazzed Actually, that's only a recent phenomenon based on a US Supreme Court case last year.

From Wikipedia...
Bostock v. Clayton County, 590 U. S. ___ (2020), was a landmark United States Supreme Court civil rights case in which the Court held that Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 protects employees against discrimination because they are gay or transgender.

From the opinion of the court...
www.supremecourt.gov/.../17-1618_hfci.pdf

Sometimes small gestures can have unexpected consequences. Major initiatives practically guarantee them. In our time, few pieces of federal legislation rank in significance with the Civil Rights Act of 1964. There, in Title VII, Congress outlawed discrimination in the workplace on the basis of race, color, religion, sex, or national origin. Today, we must decide whether an employer can fire someone
simply for being homosexual or transgender. The answer is clear. An employer who fires an individual for being homosexual or transgender fires that person for traits or actions it would not have questioned in members of a different sex. Sex plays a necessary and undisguisable role in the decision, exactly what Title VII forbids.

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[abc3643]

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But sexual orientation is irrelevant. Dress codes are not. There is no federal law regarding employer dress codes.

From 2017...

www.lexology.com/.../detail.aspx
TITLE: The legal landscape on employer dress code and appearance policies: a U. S. and European perspective
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Federal U. S. law does not directly regulate employer dress codes or appearance policies. However, it does prohibit employers from discriminating against employees based on a number of protected characteristics including, for example, religion, sex, race and national origin (and, since June 2020, now also sexual orientation and identity).

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The point with dress codes, ethics codes, and other similar company rules is that a company has the legal right to expect its employees to act, behave, and dress is a manner it desires and, to enforce it, they establish those rules and make them clearly known.

Thus, if a company has a dress/make-up code for males to not wear overtly feminine make-up, then that's it because there's no law protecting the employee from those rules. Furthermore, no such law would likely survive a legal challenge by a company because a company is within its First Amendment rights to create such codes as part of its branding.

So, if you're a gay male who wants to go to work dressing like Ru Paul, you better find a company for which that is acceptable... or work for yourself like Ru Paul. A gay male going to work and violating the company dress codes getting fired isn't getting fired for being gay, but for violating the dress codes which apply to all employees equally.

Look, I don't want to come across as anti-gay. I am an LBGTQI+ ally. But I also understand the real world and the real world is a tad hostile to persons not straight/cis-gendered.

[PaynefulPleasures]

Ozzy Osbourne
Alice Cooper
Freddie Mercury
Boy George
David Bowie
Marylin Manson
Prince
Ru Paul
If my son chose to wear makeup such as these men did & many others before them. No I don't have a problem with it. Can you imagine where these men would be if they were told no you can't wear makeup, or how it would have effected their signature trade mark (identity of who they are)
Either the kid is going to grow out of it , or not, maybe he'll end up being famous who's to say but I'm okay with it ✌️

[A_Bell]

Basically all these people are reckless drug abusers.

What a great sample.

[PaynefulPleasures]

Thank you ❤️

[ilikefrogsalot]

@A_Bell To be fair, most celebrities are reckless drug abusers. Correlation, not causation. I could say "My straight male friend wears makeup and he's fine", but that isn't a good example because you don't know him. A better opinion would to list celebrities as examples because, y'know, everyone knows celebrities.

[Ninjazzed]

@ilikefrogsalot Fucking exactly

[DizzyDesii]

I've never been into makeup but had to wear it for ballet recitals as a kid. I prob wouldn't wear it again until the day i marry. My future daughter won't be wearing makeup until she's at least 18 with the exception of her ballet recitals or prom. I pray my future son would NEVER want to wear makeup but if he does, it won't be until he's 18 and out my house. I dont play that

[Asker]

You are dark skinned I am guessing

[DizzyDesii]

Being black doesn't mean I’m dark skinned. My skin is darker than a nonblack person, yes. Bt that has nothing to do with not wanting my kid to wear makeup

[TheSpaceGnome]

I'm tired and read that as ballet rectals. And now all I can visualize is butts with just feet instead of entire legs coming out of them.

[johnsmithjs]

What the hell does it matter the color of her skin you piece of garbage, she simply said no kid in her household will wear makeup until they are 18 and if they are a male not under her roof. I am not dark skinned and no son of mine will wear make up under my roof either, I also agree with her feeling about her daughter not being allowed to wear make-up accept for special occasions. If I have a daughter she will only wear lip gloss and if I have a son he can use blistex or chap stick for rough lips. Other then that NO, NO, NO! I guess I am dark skinned also, right. Here is your sign, "IDIOT"

[Asker]

@johnsmithjs I am only saying that because many dark skinned black women in America choose not to wear makeup. Depending on how dark the skin is, is often doesn’t look the same.

[Anonymous]

If he's straight FUCK NO, because it's super fem, I don't want a super effeminate straight boy, and he'd probs be bullied, beat up and stuff. The only makeup I could tolerate is maybe black eye pencil if it's just like a smudged circle around his eyes, no wings, if he's going for some type of alternative look maybe.
If he's gay & out I don't care as much because it's fine if a gay guy acts girly. But I really wouldn't like it at all still and I wouldn't want to be seen in public with him like that

[Anonymous]

Yes lol idc about this “woke” bs my boys are not allowed to act feminine nor are my girls allowed to act masculine. A fine line is drawn here... I don’t think women playing sports is “masculine” nor do i think men wearing a pink shirt is “feminine”. However my line is drawn to things like my son putting makeup/wearing a skirt, or my daughter wanting to like pee in a urinal. Then yes these things I wouldn’t accept but obviously if my daughter said she likes football, she doesn’t wanna wear makeup, she likes jeans or my son want a pink shirt (from the men’s department), he likes cooking or whatever I wouldn’t care cause these are basic activities however makeup is only for women and skirts are not for men either. at least not men in my family and household. Others can do as they please but this ish ain’t acceptable in our family at all. Call us close minded please.😂🏃‍♀️

[ChrisMaster69]

I have a daughter that is learning kickboxing, She’s helped both me and my ex wife on our respective cars. She wants Tattoos and to learn kart racing.

if I had a son, then it would not be an issue, it’s his life to look at how he wants to express thing.

[purplepoppy]

Yes, I wouldn't want my son to be the subject of public ridicule.

[Sabretooth]

if he's lucky.

[beardedbigguy]

Let them try it out. They may like it they may not. If you force people to not do things they like, often they will sneak and do the things. Have an open mind, explain what some of the consequences might be if they do this and then fully support them and help them be the best person they can be

[hahahmm]

And if your son said he wanted to try playing with fire and gasoline cans you'd say that? There's no need for an open mind on every topic, actually.

[beardedbigguy]

But there is a way to show the the power it holds. Hoe distrusctive but also how it cooks our foods. Not everything is black and white. Let kids explore but you still have to supervise them. We need kids who are able to make their own decisions but are also aware of the good and bad that comes with them

[hahahmm]

Some things are simply irresponsible for an adult to let a kid play with like crossing an interstate highway at rush hour. Analogies aren't perfect. Yes, parent A. is free to try and experiment with their kid's life while parent B. says 'nope'

[ThePolishKnight37]

The only thing I would worry about is how mentally strong they are. They will get bullied,. I would just encourage you to keep tabs on their mental state. He is being himself. I love people that walk to the beat of their own drum. They are usually strong willed and do not care what others think.

[just_a_potato]

I always say everyone should be able to do what they love as long as it doesn't hurt them. But I'm not going to lie to myself, with the way I was raised, I wouldn't want my own son doing that while he was still living with me.

[Nicegirldaqui]

Yeah, I would care, a child don't choose for themselves. As a child, he would do only what I allowed him to do.

[Nazgol]

Well said 👍👍👏

[VIVANT]

Then how does that child learn to think for themselves and become an adult?

[Nazgol]

@VIVANT obviously when they're no longer considered a "child". Why would a child have to think for itself when it is not under any obligation yet? Once it reaches a certain age then it can begin to think for itself

[Breanna_nonbinary]

No. In fact I’d teach him. If you’re going to do something you might as well learn to do it correctly. Besides if he feels the need to do it, discouraging him will only harm his emotional growth and make him feel bad.

[oldasIfeel22]

A man asked this question?

Kids will go through their rebellious teenage years. But unlike the militant trans activists who want to make it legal to give kids hormone altering drugs without parental consent i feel this is NOT a sure sign of gender dsyphoria.

Instead let the kid experiment and see what happens (he will likely get negative feedback among his peers). From there he can decide if this is cool or not. But I would neither discourage nor support it.

[hahahmm]

Yes. He'd essentially be rejecting everything that was giving to him by his parents and ancestors. It's like asking if I'd care if my son was an arsonist while living in our wood frame home. He's free to go do his own thing in his own place.

[devilish-cutie]

i wouldn't mind and who says make up is feminin, men have before worn make up and tights and dresses n it was all normal back then, its just fashion trends

[DaarkAngeel]

Of course not, telling someone not to wear what they want because of their gender is the most stupid thing ever. Everyone should be allowed to wear whaat they want regardless of their gender and sex. And I would be happy that he found a way to express himself

[joesheks]

Typical drivel that’s taught in schools now

[ElvenMr]

Cool, let the boys wear bikinis and bras.

[Melamore]

I would let my son wear make up if he chose too, but only after he's a teenager, not as a kid. And I would do the same to my daughter.

[Slartybartfast]

The perfect response...

https://youtu.be/7-bIhCBSrzU

[PaynefulPleasures]

ROFLMAO 😂

[kyleelyn199723]

Yes which is why I’m not having kids really because you can’t really control them to how you want them to be. They just migrate into what they want to be whether it’s right or wrong.

[Zelda_5]

Not if they're older. I don't care cuz fuck gender roles, but makeup isn't necessary. If you start wearing it too young, you'll feel like you always need to wear it. Once they're a little older, I wouldn't care.

[TruthBringer]

Yeah I do care that my son doesn't become a degenerate

[BeMuse]

If it was something like monster make up for Halloween, camo make up for paint ball or air soft, or something like then I wouldn’t think about it. If he was dressing up like a girl and being a homo I’d be against it.

[paradiseonearth93]

No! I would be excited to help him learn and try new looks. I love makeup and it would be a cool passion to share with my child.