Why do men get mad when women rate themselves or other women as attractive or 10/10?

[Apple1996]

God forbid a girl has some confidence in herself and men just wanna crush it 🙃 men just seem to think only their opinion on beauty matters lol

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a lot of men under rate women. Probably due to their own insecurity. Projection type of thing just so women can feel as bad as they feel about themselves

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a lot of you men truly aren't lonely enough 🙄 y'all think your being realistic when rating a woman when the real reality is that y'all are just assholes who want to make women feel bad about themselves... If you dont think a woman is a 10 its easy enough to just not say it out loud and stay away from her. ITS A CHOICE TO BE MEAN. You can choose to be nice or stay quiet instead

[fonduegirl]

A lot of people, predominantly men, have distorted perception of beauty. They think just because gorgeous women decorate their Instagram, Tiktok, Snapchat and YouTube, that kind of beauty is common. You know what I'm talking about. Big lips, small waist, pale skin, long hair, kinda petite, falsies. That's why they'd rate a woman on the street 4.

Second of all, most men want women to be humble. You know, that 1 Direction crush typa girl. "You don't know oh oh, but that's what makes you beautiful" They are looking for a goddess with a lack of self awareness, which is hard to find. Because women get complimented since a very young age

[Apple1996]

Yep extremely true. Social media/porn has rotted their brains. I was thinking about this question last night before bed. It popped up in my head about how men from 200+ years ago would probably be in awe about how average women today look. Like theyd think we were beauty queens. Men in modern times think average women ain't shit tho because all they see is fake women online

[fonduegirl]

The Greeks weren't more accepting, they simply didn't have Instagram to check the "ideal body"

[Apple1996]

True even in times where beauty was important its not like it is online today with the beauty standards

[fonduegirl]

Beauty is not appreciated in today's age. It is wasted. Hence so many people suffer with low self esteem. Even men, I don't think all men are or should a muscular chad like Henry Cavill

[Apple1996]

Yep I agree the muscle look is overrated

[fonduegirl]

Thanks for the MHO!

[fonduegirl]

@Theodish_Warrior both genders are crushed by the digital age and viral beauty standards. Which is why I also mentioned muscular giants like Henry Cavill

[fonduegirl]

@Theodish_Warrior disagreed.

[fonduegirl]

@Theodish_Warrior do you think an OF thot would have the intelligence and time to argue here, on a forum that doesn't support image content?

Hot damn, you're stupid

[naartjie]

There so much beauty in how different we all look. It’s so sad to see people succumb to rating each other and putting so much power in that number.
We should all be feeling beautiful. We should all be a 10/10. Self love. People would rather be miserable and pick and hate on others looks, probably due to their own insecurities like you say.
I wish we could just live a peaceful life where people aren’t shitty for no reason. We have one life… why not make it the best and the happiest?

[Apple1996]

Yep exactly

[Sunrising]

And all males 10 out of 10 too!

[Apple1996]

@Sunrising yes lots of men are beautiful and don't even know it

[naartjie]

@Sunrising yes! No one said men aren’t. Men can say they’re a 10 but they don’t, they’re just insecure and pessimistic so when women do it, they’re bitter. Not a single woman said men aren’t 10s, women are more uplifting when it comes to rating and men are more tearing people apart

[fonduegirl]

The rating system most often than not relies on beauty standards. Which means you can be one of the most gorgeous women on planet earth, but if you don't meet xyz standard, you're a 3/10

[fonduegirl]

@Sunrising of course

[AI Opinion]

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[Sunrising]

And all males 10 out of 10 too!

[blondfrog]

That guy Brian has no credibility. He used to be a prankster. He is a bad actor like many of those red pill guys. By the way I don't like those only fans women either but I do believe that who is judging them matters. Like those guys on those podcasts have no room to judge. They don't have actual jobs. Their jobs are to put others down and they can only put people down that are worse than them. That's why you will never see that guy invite smart good people on his podcast like scientists, math mathematicians engineers, etc.

[Apple1996]

Yeah the whatever podcast drives me crazy. I just decided to link it for the question

[blondfrog]

I know its so annoying he won't stop showing up on my facebook videos when I am scrolling. I really believe videos like facebook, tiktok, and instagram are rotting our brain.

[AaronKrieger]

It's goofy if someone rates themselves a 10, but I won't be a buzzkill and take it away from them 😂 unless I'm asked. I think most people wouldn't either in real life, since generally we're afraid of offending others.

However, online, everyone is harsher and way too many people criticize other's appearance. I do not get that part either, since what's the point in being mean?

[Apple1996]

For real online people are very mean about appearances

[fonduegirl]

They are mean for the clout. I mean, have you ever watched an alpha male podcast where he respected the female guest? Exactly

[fonduegirl]

Because algorithm doesn't favour that

[DangerouslyCute]

if they get mad it's their problem... but it's a known thing

beauty is in the eye of the beholder

so... it doesn't have to be that those men want to crush women's confidence... maybe they just don't see those women as so beautiful...

but you are right... a really confident person wouldn't care about opinions about their looks

[BarryLiverstone]

Shows like the whatever podcast are grifters. They pay people to create conflict and act on fake emotions just to generate super chats and exploit people (majority men) to pay to watch and participate. These shows prey on lonely guys who wouldn’t normally be able to communicate with good looking women.


However to your question, the 10/10 is a look based evaluation only and doesn’t have to do with how the girl feels or her confidence. A model could be a 9/10 and feel insecure while a girl could be cute and feel 10/10 inside with her personality. So guys will react because they think the girls are lying and not being objective in rating their looks. The guys react as other girls can’t say they look better than someone sitting next to them

[Apple1996]

Yep I have heard that the whatever podcast pays people to act certain ways

[BarryLiverstone]

They do, also fresh and fit and other podcasts in the man o sphere. So it’s not people being honest and authentic , these are for entertainment and people are paid to be on. But as you asked about guys being mad, that’s the point of these shows. If the shows were not controversial and had no debates like abortion or body count, then very few would watch and have an emotional response to spend money on them.

kinda like OnlyFans, after covid isolated people in their homes, these online services allow people (again majority guys) to spend money to buy the online fantasy. These guys used to go out to bars and buy girls drinks.. now they (in my opinion) waste money online on these podcasts and onlyfans to feel a sense of community and acceptance.

[BarryLiverstone]

Your update about guys underrating women.. that’s for two main reasons. As you said they may feel insecure themselves so they underate her looks to bring her down to his perceived level.

However the more manipulative reason guys call a 9/10 looking girl a 5/10 is because they know many girls are not confident and secure in their appearance and know girls use makeup and clothes to try and enhance their natural looks. The moment the girl feels challenged by hearing 5/10 or 6/10 it’s like she wants to prove it to that guy that she is attractive. That’s the game guys play, but that’s only short term and not how you build longer relationships.

[Apple1996]

Definitely some type of game

[BarryLiverstone]

If a girl says another girl is 10/10 look wise. Do you think she could be playing a game? And if so why would she lie?

[Apple1996]

Nah that seems pretty honest

[BarryLiverstone]

The challenge is that none of the girls on the whatever podcast are 10/10 in looks. That may be 8/10, but it’s a lie to say 10/10. Remember that 5/10 is average, anything more is attractive. 2/10 would be ugly.

[Apple1996]

Most of those women look like 10s to me so.. lol

[BarryLiverstone]

lol, might be time to get your eyes checked. Remember that 10/10 is perfection and not more than 1,000 women could ever be 10s. Being an 8/10 would make someone the best looking in their city or state. Same with guys and their looks, 10/10 guy is rare

[Apple1996]

Um its not rare at all to be a 10. a lot of men and women are perfect just the way they are and fall into that category

[Apple1996]

A 8/10 is saying someone is pretty but not gorgeous like a 10/10 would be

[BarryLiverstone]

Nope it’s rare. A model or movie star is rare because of how they look. 8/10 is gorgeous and if you see the bell curve 80% of people in the world are less attractive than someone who is 8/10.

Remember 5/10 is average. Many people are attracted to an average looking person and would pursue a 5/10 for a relationship. If you think that 8/10 isn’t gorgeous then you are judging on a larger scale as better than 8 is rare

[BarryLiverstone]

Anyway, we can’t agree. I do think that beyond just looks, personality matters and someone can be a 5/10 in objective looks and feel like a 9/10 to their romantic partner

[Apple1996]

Personality and looks are two totally different ratings to me. They can't be combined

[BarryLiverstone]

End of the day , everyone wants to feel loved and cherished and accepted. Looks and personality can be combined and a husband can tell his wife she’s the most gorgeous person in his world and still say that Margot Robbie is a 10/10 in looks.

[Apple1996]

Interesting how men think that way

[BarryLiverstone]

Thank you :)

[Shiprex]

The girls also rate the majority of men LOWER than average so expecting women to rate objectively is pointless. Might as well rate people as afternoon or evening when assessing their appearance.

[fonduegirl]

There was a YouTube essay that said short form media such as shorts and reels often rely on emotions to become addictive. Which is to say, you're not scrolling feed, you're scrolling through emotional states of yours

[Apple1996]

@anon1903 that is interesting

[Shiprex]

@anon1903 it's the modern day digital heroin

[fonduegirl]

@Shiprex that's right

[ProbablyClueless]

I think it might be pent up frustration. Sometimes you'll meet women who wildly overestimate themselves and will treat men that they think are beneath them like trash.

If that happens enough, some of those guys feel the need to knock those women down a peg.

It really sucks 😕

[MikeyObrien]

I think its because 10/10 means perfect and nobody is perfect. When you say 10/10 you're literally saying there's nowhere left for you to be better or improve. Which to us sounds both like narcissism and laziness. Plus I dont think its healthy to feed delusions to your friends and its cruel to them. Men are brutally honest to each other not because we hate each other but because we know we can be better and we push each other. Also attractiveness is a bell curve so if everyone is a 10 then nobody is. Which by the way you dont need to be, being a 6 or 7 is perfectly okay and most men fall in love with those women still, so maybe you're fit but you teeth are a bit yellow, or you dont smoke but you drink, when men fall in love its not just with the good parts of you, they fall in love with the bad too.

[Apple1996]

I dont personally have anything work on looks wise. And god i would not want to date a man who thought of me as a 6/7. That would probably lead me to suicide tbh

[Apple1996]

Men and women take criticism very differently. Men it pushes them to grow. Women it takes them down and makes them insecure

[MikeyObrien]

That's just something men and women have very differently yeah lol. Even in my relationships I've fallen for the "does this dress make me look fat" type questions lol. When they dont want honesty they want confirmation of their beauty. I just wish women saw themselves as men do, a man can fall in love with a woman who has 80 percent of what he finds attractive. Also when you love someone they become more attractive you as you stay together.

[Apple1996]

Thats not love then. It has to be 100%

[Apple1996]

I honestly think men are just mean and aren't fully attracted to women. Im bisexual I see 10s everyday and its painful to watch them be with men who are calling them anything less than 10. Im like damn girl you deserve someone who acutally values you

[MikeyObrien]

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. You don't seem to understand the way me and men in general think. If you want me to explain it more you can dm me cause I can tell that'll take a while.

[sawno]

Because its often paired with unrealistic expectations. "I am a 9 so I deserve X Y and Z because I am a high quality girl. That means I can be high maintenance and he better X Y and Z" to which the men will say she's actually a 6.

If a guy declared himself a 10 and rejected all girls who were not super models the girls here would be talking him down to.

[Apple1996]

Men aren't accurate when rating women. They will call literal super models mid

[sawno]

Not everyone is into that look, but yeah some guys can rate wonk. But how do those guys rate themselves by comparison?

[Apple1996]

But no girl is getting mad at how he rates himself. We might rate him differently than what he rates himself but we just accept that beauty is in the eye of beholder

[sawno]

Like I said its often that those girls acted entitled sparking those reactions. Made worse by dating apps where men out of their league are fine having them as a side girl for a bit. If she's a 6 but frequently dating 8's / 9's who all tell her she's a 9 then she won't settle for a 6. Even though the 6 would be actually interested.

Those podcasts play into those types of frustrations, and men in general have a culture of calling it like it is. If your a guy and your gonna claim shit like that about yourself i'd expect other men to be like 'no man you're a 6". The father of my ex even said to me unprompted that I scored a girl 2 points out of my league and that he expected me to have a nice personality, but said in a way to mean "You got yourself a special girl, don't you dare treat her like she's not special". The rating he gave me aligned with the rating I had for myself, so did the rating for his own daughter. And the treating her right part was always a given.

But even in the clip, she thinks she's a 10 and that ugly guys should just shut up. But she's a 6 so by her logic she has no right of speaking since she's not judging herself correctly either and acts entitled.

[Apple1996]

She has the right to think she's a 10? Thats her opinion. And women almost always 99% of the time are dating men uglier than themselves. Whenever I see couples the girl is ALWAYS hotter like always. Women are doing men a service by dating down out of their league

[Apple1996]

Those podcast are made for humiliating women so men can finally feel powerful for a second. They are the complete opposite of the truth. Many women have came out about how they got paid to be humiliated on there

[sawno]

That podcast is trash, but no its HER standard in the video. She's not allowing men to speak their mind regardless of what they rate themselves at, but insists she is a 10 with right of speaking. That's entitled, so she gets flack in the comments to put her at her place. Its not that complicated.

Neither do I agree women are dating down their league, that's only relevant in looks if you cipher away everything else. She could go for a guy at least as pretty but then he may have a lacking personality. Girls "dating down" didn't do that for the sake of society but because the guy has the traits that she loves. Women are less visual in that sense, but that doesn't make those guys lackluster.

Same thing happens both ways, if a girl has a great personality thats better than a rude obnoxious supermodel. Had the girl in the show been nice and realistic she wouldn't have gotten such vile comments rating her a 1 and a 4. Just like a personality can elevate someones looks it can also make someone unattractive and thats what happened there.

[Apple1996]

She clearly said beauty is in the eye of beholder. And women are more visual than men. That silly myth that men are more visual just isn't true

[Apple1996]

No girl wants to be with a dude who just likes her personality. We want our boyfriend/husband to see us as a 10. If a guy im with thinks im anything less its a insult to me and I wouldn't stick around with that behavior

[Apple1996]

Personally id rather someone think im a bitch thats hot rather than a kind girl thats average

[Shiprex]

Women generally rate men as mostly BELOW AVERAGE producing a left edge biased curve while men have a harsher but more evenly distributed curve

[Apple1996]

@Shiprex im sure you are a beauty queen so dont worry what those women think. Just rate yourself

[Shiprex]

@Apple1996
Thanks for the sarcasm and it's not true because I KNOW and can accept the aspects of my physical appearance I know aren't perfect. I understand that my ego doesn't require to be massaged by making up shit to feel good about myself AND I know that I can do things to enhance or compensate other ways for. MEN know they should work on themselves, women refuse.

[Apple1996]

@Shiprex or maybe men are just too hard on themselves and other men? You build your own confidence so calling yourself ugly/average is gonna allow other people to think they can call you that

[OneViewpoint]

@Apple1996,

You can rate them any way you want. Men will call it like they see it. And make their decisions accordingly.

[Apple1996]

@OneViewpoint men can't even see beauty when its right in front of them so just on a personal level I can't trust many men unless they prove themselves to have a good eye for fashion/design that type of stuff then maybe I can trust them to be honest about ratings

[Shiprex]

@Apple1996
Men see attraction in more than the visual as you said. The PERSON is more than the appearance. If you want a man to love you, you need more than heels and a dress. If that's all or how you value yourself then the P&D crowd will be the ones you attract.
Good men want women with characters they can mold themselves around and cherish them.

[Apple1996]

@Shiprex im talking just physical for this question

[Apple1996]

@Shiprex even tho I think men would be mad at women for saying postive character things about herself as well. If a girl said she was fun or down to earth. I've had guys mad at me for saying things like that too

[OneViewpoint]

@Apple1996,

It doesn't matter if you trust their perception of fashion or beauty. They probably won't share your perceptions. But that's irrelevant to them. You are irrelevant to them. They will base their decisions on their perceptions whether you like it or not. Do you think men are lying to themselves and making choices they hate? No, they are making choices you hate. Why is that so hard for you to accept? Men generally do not share your perceptions. Your perceptions exist on the far fringe for most men.

[Apple1996]

@OneViewpoint well the man in married to and a lot of the men im friends with irl share my same view of beauty. Like im saying its a built trust thing because they have proven themselves. Many of them have acutally made me open my eyes about beauty when before my eyes were closed

[OneViewpoint]

No one is attacking you. Why so defensive? All anyone is saying is that in this social media society, some women have developed a delusional view of themselves and men aren't buying it. They never will.

[Apple1996]

@OneViewpoint um what? Im not acting defensive in any way. Women aren't delusional. We are finally being realistic about ourselves and not allowing strange men with bad judgement to make us feel insecure for nothing

[OneViewpoint]

Wow, yeah, I can see that. Best of luck!

[sawno]

Considering yourself a 10 is not realistic

[Apple1996]

How is it unrealistic when I have other people calling me a 10 as well?

[sawno]

How many of them are men?

[Shiprex]

@Apple1996
I think men and women would see anyone boasting about their appearance as conceited and arrogant. Not an attractive trait for anyone. Would you find a guy saying he can bench press 90kg appealing and attractive? Not likely but men would believe it of another and be impressed BECAUSE they're not attracted to it.

[Shiprex]

Saying you're a 10 in this context is like Saying you're a vampire just because you like vampires. It shows that you're not actually rating yourself

[fonduegirl]

The "high quality human" BS is so real 😂
Like just say you have certain standards, why be entitled little beetles

[OneViewpoint]

Because a lot of those women are delusional from the perspective of a man. Looks, personality, values, handling money... they are 5's at best. Men just want to see them acknowledge that and take accountability for their poor life choices. Because men know a woman that delusional is nothing but misery.

[Apple1996]

Wouldn't it be more miserable to be thinking down on yourself and being insecure? Id rather be happy with myself even if that meant I was delusional

[naartjie]

@Apple1996 exactly!

[OneViewpoint]

Why do you need to label yourself a 10 to feel good about yourself. That in itself screams you're insecure, not happy in your own skin. The cold hard truth is that most of us are not at the bottom of the bell curve. And most of us are not at the top of the bell curve. Most of us are somewhere between in the middle between butt ugly and uncommonly beautiful. I get that. I'm not Brad Pitt. I can accept that and good for Brad Pitt or Penelope Cruz. My sense of self worth is not dependent on my physical appearance alone. Why is your self worth so tied up in your physical appearance? I'm sensing some deep insecurities here.

[Apple1996]

Because im acutally a 10? So why would I not call myself that

[Apple1996]

Because tie their self to other things like their work. Would you be walking around always saying you were bad or average at your job? Or would you work hard and acutally be good at your job?

[Apple1996]

Because men*

[MemeSupreme]

i feel like its weird to rate yourself or others. like ik i'm probably overthinking it, but it feels weird reducing someone to a number

and probably bc she said there's only fugly men lol instead of listening, its gonna make guys just wanna argue

[Apple1996]

Some people are more mathematical so numbers is easier than just saying ugly. Average, attractive.
And yeah but men bring women on that podcast just to argue lol

[Miristheiss]

Not mad. I just marvel that they can be that dumb or clueless or fail so thoroughly to grasp the concept of truth and reality. It isn't about how you "feel" or this lie to yourself fake it until you make it... the question is asking for truth.

Also, a girl that is a 6 should happily get with a guy who is a 6 not believe she deserves a 9/10.

[Apple1996]

A girl of any attractiveness should get with a guy that views her as a 10 and she views him as a 10. Regardless of society rating them. They should rate each other high as possible

[Miristheiss]

Delusion again.

The question is what are you really. The truth.

Not what one guy out of a thousand with rose colored glasses finds you. Just what are you.

[Apple1996]

I've had multiple men tell me im a 10. Most women in general are 10s so this isn't some hard thing for women to find

[Miristheiss]

Ah, you are a ten. Most women are tens. You, my dear, are full of shit.

[Apple1996]

No i just have confidence and know my worth

[Miristheiss]

You see, you seem to think it matters how you FEEL.
That has nothing to do with it.
Unless you are a drop dead gorgeous model type with a great body and proportions then you are not a 10.
10s are very rare. 10 is perfection.
There are very FEW 10's and you thinking MOST women are tens proves your delusion.

[Apple1996]

There's 10s everywhere. Maybe your just not attracted to women

[Apple1996]

Maybe asexual or into men? Im not really sure how you can't see that stunning women are everywhere unless you just dont like them

[Miristheiss]

Your deflection does not change the fact you are delusional if you think most women are tens.

[Apple1996]

Most women are 10s. I see them everyday

[Apple1996]

Its not deflection. It sounds like your genuinely not attracted to women if you think that way. Which is fine

[Joshydavid25]

Did we watch the same clip? He pointed out the hypocrisy of women calling a mam ugly and calling themselves 10s.. The reason why a lot of men don't like it is because it makes a lot of women conceited and think that they deserve better than they do.. They'll be willing to call a man ugly, but say that they're all 10s.. It doesn't matter what people call themselves, other people are really the deciding factor as to your appearance..

[Apple1996]

Other people do not decide your appearance wtf? You decide that for yourself. Other peoples opinions are mostly irrelevant

[Joshydavid25]

It's like saying "I'm a good singer" and then you sing like a raspy voiced kid that just got a butt whipping.. Things meant to attract people like looks, skill or talent aren't something that you can decide are good.. And that's okay.. Even if somebody isn't good looking doesn't mean they are worth less or that their self worth should be based on what people think of them.. There are people who are humble enough to know that they aren't the next top model, or sexiest man/woman alive, but they realize that their value hinge on if they're good looking or not.. A real confident person knows what they are and aren't and plays the strengths handed to them to the best of their ability..

[Apple1996]

Thats not humble. Its being insecure lol everyone who knows their worth and value can see it in themselves even when others dont

[Apple1996]

Everyone sets their own tone for how others treat them. There are shitty singers out there that still make it to the top because they know their worth. For example jessie Murphy has a annoying voice but is still topping the charts right now.

[Joshydavid25]

No insecure is what you and the women who call them "10s" are doing.. It's not confidence to lie or be delusional about how you look.. And it points put a hyper fixation on physical appearance instead of other attributes.. Saying that you are a 10 has nothing to do with setting the tone on how others treat you.. Showing people that you are a great person to be around despite how you may or may not look sets the tone.. A happy woman who accepts that she may not be beautiful to anybody but one man and decides to be happy and live life anyways is the confident one.. And making it to the top charts is not about knowing your self worth, but knowing who to know.. Lmao..

[Apple1996]

It really does set the tone for how others treat you.. if you dont like yourself its pretty likely that no one else will either. You are the only person who you should let define yourself. At the end of the day like I dont gotta care about others opinions of me because its my life, looks etc. Ain't nobody else gotta live with it besides me so why not be positive and love yourself? Its insecure not to

[Apple1996]

In her specific case it was about self worth. I watch a clip of her talking about how she got bullied for her singing in high-school. Everyone told her she'd fail type of thing. Yet she believed in herself and got there. (Obviously super random example to bring up since its singing not about looks but I guess it similar enough)

[Joshydavid25]

No, it doesn't.. Just because you think you're pretty, doesn't mean everyone else will.. And it doesn't mean they'll treat you like you're pretty.. And I agree you don't have to care, but at least being realistic how you look will definitely help that.. And yes somebody else does have to live with it.. Whoever you're going to be with.. It's not positive to lie to yourself though..

And no that's not self worth.. I don't even know who Jessie Murphy is, and I looked her up.. I guess she's famous.. Some people just know how to rig the industry I suppose..

[Apple1996]

Its not lying when you acutally think it. Even with a partner like my husband technically isn't forced to live with my looks. He could leave if he didn't like me

[Joshydavid25]

You're lying to yourself as what that is.. Well, technicalities aside, he is still living with you, and has to look at you and wants to like what he sees..

[Apple1996]

Im being truthful to myself after a long time tbh. My husband could easily leave if he want no one forced him to be with me. He says im a 10 because its the truth. He doesn't always live with me everyone here knows that lol

[Joshydavid25]

That's about as truthful as saying you're a great singer when you're terrible (not you personally, just in general).. And yeah but we're talking about the fact that he chose you so he has to love with seeing your face.. He says you're a 10 because he wants to make you feel good and it's his opinion because he may be that attracted to you.. And yeah, I know but we're not talking about specifics here..

[Apple1996]

If someone thinks they are a good singer then why not let them think that even if you dont agree?

[Joshydavid25]

Because it's better to let them know that they're not.. In fact it is the loving thing to do, than to let them live a lie.. Especially if they start making decisions on the fact..

[Apple1996]

Its not a lie if they legitimately think that way. Its not love at all. Thats just being mean

[Apple1996]

Id just be happy that people are being positive and confident with themselves even if it wasn't what i thought about them. Think of the saying "if you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all"

[Joshydavid25]

It is.. Because it's not true, and just because someone says, doesn't make it so.. I like when people are positive and confident as well.. But I also like people who are real with themselves and can play to their strengths and recognize their weaknesses.. Some of the best people can make jokes about their disabilities in a lighthearted manner without putting themselves down.. Those people may not be beautiful outside but are the most on the inside..

[Apple1996]

Maybe you aren't aware but men and women take critsim wildly differently. A man can make a joke about his weakness and go on to better himself. Women take those jokes and comments seriously and it then causes her to be depressed and get low self esteem

[Apple1996]

Someone saying a opinion about how they rate singing or looks does make it true for them. Its not a fact

[Joshydavid25]

I'm very aware, but really doesn't have much to do with criticism since jokes and comments are not the same as criticism.. But yes I know that distinction.. That doesn't mean we coddle women.. Y'all can take criticism too, just differently than men.. Some of y'all need some more criticism TBH..
I personally don't care for any rating system.. I don't rate people, but in order to attract people, you have to be attractive to them.. Which is the point of attraction.. Confidence is realizing that maybe you don't have that pull, and knowing that your worth is more than that..

[Shiprex]

Someone needs to look at the research on this topic. Men rate far more evenly distributed over sets of women while women invariably rate 4/5 men below average.
Is that inherent misandry and man hating ideology being pushed on girls from a young age or something else?

[Apple1996]

Don't men rate themselves and other men low as well?

[Shiprex]

No, think men are more rational about these kinds of things and use comparative analysis to generate a value based on the context. It's also unlikely to be about "attractiveness" as well as men will use things like physique, muscularity, clothing etc. to judge another men and less on physical attractiveness because men (straight at least) don't see the features and posture of men as attractive.

[Apple1996]

Im not sure about that. I think men talk each other down because of competition between them for getting women

[Shiprex]

I disagree. Men will big each other up by giving advice but NOT with ego boosting myths. Men would rate each other based on themselves and those around them at the time.
It's not about competition for women but to be better at THAT aspect men are focused on at the time. Men will be far more likely to estimate their own level as honest and rational.

[Anpu23]

Have you. seen this study: How Men and Women Rate Each Other on Dating Websites https://share.google/mSkGS9RG3ddvaxO9O

I get it people can and should rate themselves however they want. But its disingenuous to say that "a lot of men under rate women." When studies show the opposite.

[Apple1996]

Men will say no woman is a 10 🙄🙄

[Apple1996]

Because men are not valued on their looks like women are

[Anpu23]

That isn't my experience, nor have I heard that. But I can accept that I may be wrong here.

[Shiprex]

Men are rated on their height, physique and facial features far more harshly by women than men do the same for women

[Sunrising]

It's all news to me! I don't rate anyone, and I don't care if anyone rates themselves or not!

Just between yourselves and me, I would be rated a 10! 😄

[Sunrising]

I'll rate females any score you would like, if that makes you happy 😊

[Aakash_Hangargi]

The podcast speaks for itself , I mean this podcast is not the best example for the question you have asked lol.

The podcaster is pointing out on hypocracy of the women calling men fugly while they rate themselves 10 what he is pointing at it is women want to judge but not be judged.

Anyways most podcasts are scripted so could be easily faked to get more viwership.

[Apple1996]

Wow im surprised so many guys aren't understanding that podcast clip. It seems pretty obvious implied that the guy is angry about that woman ranking herself and others a 10. Ofc she's gonna snap back and say he's ugly. If this man was kind and agreed that all women were 10s I highly doubt she'd be talking about fugly men. Its a reaction to how she's being treated

[Nikki1989]

The whole rating thing is total bollocks. A 10 to one person could be a 5 to someone else.

[Babygirl_S]

The goal is to make a butterfly feel like a cockroach that those haters are

[Apple1996]

So true

[Geo1970]

Regarding this subject, I don’t have a problem with any woman rating herself either one out of 10 or 10 out of 10 for example on her looks and other abilities.



If that is how she or they are regarding themselves, they are entitled to an opinion. So for other people, male or female, I do not care to be condescending, I’m personally not interested in those people.

[TallAnon]

10 is perfection, none of us have ever witnessed perfection because it is an ideal. 6 means you've put on some eyeliner and you look like most other girls. 7 means you have some natural beauty, 8 means you're likely a model and 9 is a very rare occurence, once every 5 to 10 years an artist or actor pops up that catches people by storm with overwhelming charisma.
So yeah, unlikely to be a 10, nonsense.

[Apple1996]

10s are everywhere. They do not mean perfection wtf

[OneViewpoint]

10 out of 10 literally means perfection. As good as it can get. There is no higher score.

[Apple1996]

@OneViewpoint when used for rating beauty. It just means gorgeous/stunning/highest rating

[TallAnon]

It does not. If you can't score higher, it means perfection.

[Apple1996]

I guess so. Thats just not a common word to use when describing someone's attractiveness level

[TallAnon]

That's flattery, if we call someone a 10, that's not true. Calling yourselves a 10 means there's no room for improvement; Folly.

[Kingofkings1992]

@Apple1996 what are you on about? Please stop living this little girl fantasy. Perfection does not exist when it comes to looks.

[Apple1996]

@Kingofkings1992 I think it does 🤷‍♀️

[Apple1996]

@TallAnon I don't see room for improvement for myself as of right now

[TallAnon]

See, that's bullshit.

[Apple1996]

To be fair I just dyed my hair and its grown to the perfect length. If it wasn't for that id maybe be trying to improve my hair because I almost always have some sort of hair goals

[TallAnon]

I'm sure it looks great, but there's not a single person you think could be remotely more attractive? You could be the best version of yourself, but you're up against everyone else when it comes to scores

[Apple1996]

Why would i factor in other people with my own attractiveness? Its not a competition

[TallAnon]

Yeah, that's what we're rating; We're not rating whether you are the best version of yourself, why would I care about that.

[Apple1996]

Beauty is not a competition dude. Everyone can be beautiful in their own way without it being a competition between women

[TallAnon]

I think that's where the disconnect is, we most certain make it a competition.

[Notherndude84]

I’m not a fan of rating people on their looks, it’s hard to qualify what is and isn’t beautiful as a standard. I find some women attractive and others not, I think it unnecessary to put it on a scale from 1-10.

[worldscolide]

Because its dishonest.. a perfect 10 suggests that person is perfect. No one is perfect. And then false ratings lead to said women believing they deserve women who are at that level, when in reality men on that level want nothing to do with them.

[WonderingManII]

This the first time I heard about this. But then again, I don't spend all hours of my life online. Today I spent all day in a barn.

[fonduegirl]

YouTube has the worst selection of people

[WonderingManII]

@anon1903 They have some bad people for sure.

[fonduegirl]

People say the worst things online just for clout

[WonderingManII]

@anon1903 good to know.

[bananathunder]

I don't know men like that. That just sounds weird

[Apple1996]

Its very weird

[standardguy]

1Cor 11:11-12: "Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in Yahweh. For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of Elohim."
A woman is not in herself existing but created for the man. So the point of view of the man decides if a woman is attractive for him. If she declared herself attractive she patronizes the man in his judgement

[bananathunder]

@Apple1996 Found one! LOL

[Apple1996]

Lol 😂

[DonaldDarko]

I didn't know this was a thing. I've seen women rate fat lard asses as attractive. You go and look at the girls picture and she could lose about 40 pounds. You see that and you're like WTF? Maybe that's what's happening.

[Apple1996]

I think bigger women are beautiful

[DonaldDarko]

I don't have a problem if they're big. But, big or "curvy" usually means the girl is a lard ass if not an outright whale.

[Apple1996]

Im curvy but not fat so idkk about that

[DonaldDarko]

I'm going to guess that means you aren't built overly thin and stick like. You don't have a photo so I haven't got anything to go on but what you're saying.

[Quinw]

Women say confidence - but it’s just straight unaccountable delusional entitlement.

The issue is men are made to feel like shit by women if we’re not taller than 6ft and rich, whereas every woman is some beautiful angel? It more falls on how badly men are treated that we just get pissed off with women.
Women all suck. Any thoughts? Look at how that woman in that video thought all women are 10s, I think modern women just hate men.

[Quinw]

But please remember, most men are made to feel invisible while everyone is just some sort of goddess. Is that not unfair to you

[Apple1996]

Are you projecting? Because women litterally get shitted on for everything little thing about themselves. Men having to deal with one standard of being tall is nothing in comparison. y'all get the freedom to look human but women dont. If we dont look like Ai porn girls then we are invisible

[Apple1996]

by the way I litterally dont care about mens height but that being some womens preference is no big deal considering how much men expect from women.

[cheating-test_com]

They don't get mad; we just know it’s not a realistic assessment of self-value. Girls tend to think, ‘If I can have sex with a 10/10 guy, I deserve only 10/10 guys' when in reality she’s just been used for sex and left, and she’ll stay stuck in this loop forever thinking how special she is.

[Apple1996]

Women should think of themselves as special

[Apple1996]

We live in a world where men are constantly tearing down women just for existing. Its weird af like aren't y'all suppose to like women?

[cheating-test_com]

They absolutely can think of themselves as special, but it’s not going to reflect in real-world outcomes, which is what we call being delusional nowadays.

[Apple1996]

If you dont think of yourself as special no one else will either. Your confidence is setting the tone for how others treat you

[cheating-test_com]

Consider this: if a man thinks of himself as special without any achievements, he is and will be called a douchebag, egotistical — you name it. And life will let him know how ‘not special’ he is, as no one is interested in him without achievements. But you try to put a ‘special’ label on every woman just for existing.

[Apple1996]

I hope men do think of themselves as special. Its better than being insecure

[Kingofkings1992]

@Apple1996 we do NOT tear down women for existing. What are you talking about? Men are more honest and realistic

[Apple1996]

@Kingofkings1992 men will litterally shame a fat woman just for existing because they aren't attracted to her

[Kelly6]

@Apple1996 Men I meet regularly enjoy when I rate other women

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

Jealous, insecure or immature.

Grown men that have important ish to do won't worry about such BS like that.

[Xawyx-2]

What men? I don't get mad when they rate themselves or any other women.

[RedInnocent69]

Yeah, we’re assholes and have ridiculous expectations, especially on line when it doesn’t really matter

[genericname85]

i mean not "mad" but it's usually a completely delusional self rating. cause statistically, not many are 10/10 but everyone rates themself that. it's toxic positivity.

[Apple1996]

I see 10s everyday so thats just not true at least in my opinion

[Apple1996]

Also its not toxic to have a opinion about beauty. Its just the way someone thinks

[genericname85]

if you have a deluded opinion of yourself that is absolutely disconnected of any rational reality, then that's toxic positivity. it's like some crazy narcissism or a god complex. unless you're one of the very few who is actually legit 10/10 which statistically aren't many. i mean you can also think you're the fastest runner in the world even if you never work out or run. you're free to think what you like. but it's delusional tho.

[Apple1996]

Um its not deluded just because I think differently than you

[Apple1996]

Faster runner can be proven. Beauty is in the eye of beholder. Its not some fact

[genericname85]

ask 1000000 people if they find she's a 10/10. if all these people disagree but she still thinks she's a 10/10, she's delusional. beauty isn't entirely subjective. cause if it was, certain people wouldn't be regarded as more and others as less pretty by most people. again. it's statistics.

[Apple1996]

Asking that many people still doesn't make it a fact.. it is 100% subjective

[genericname85]

nobody says you can't still be confident by the way. that has nothing to do with beauty really.

[Apple1996]

There's no stats for this type of thing. Even in general beauty standards change every 10 years so that probably means beauty isn't ever set and stone

[Apple1996]

If you dont see yourself as a 10 your lacking confidence

[genericname85]

nope. if it's a bell curve, then it's not subjective. if it's completely random, then it's 100% subjective. that's how statistics work, in case you didn't know. but with beauty, you find bell curves. so yeah. sure you can live in your own little world where nobody elses opinion matters but again. that's delusional.

[genericname85]

well if you don't see yourself as a 10 and you're an ugly motherfucker, then you're down to earth and realistic. that's what it is. if you're ugly, don't build your confidence on looks. that would be idiocy. build your confidence on what you are good at.

[Apple1996]

In no way is that delusional.. its thinking for yourself rather than being hive minded in a group

[Apple1996]

Its more delusional to not think for yourself

[Apple1996]

Someone can be realistic and down to earth and just acutally be a 10 and rate themselves as that

[Apple1996]

Im not a fucking a dude. i dont need to rate myself on skills wtf

[genericname85]

yeah someone can be realistic and down to earth and actually be a 10 and rate themeself as that. sure. but not if they're an ugly motherfucker and still rating themself a 10 xD then they're delusional. that's all i'm saying.

[genericname85]

well i know you're just a troll trolling :D but i like having these completely pointless discussions some times :D so thanks for that.

[Apple1996]

Sorry but if a man can be confident and think he has good skills than I can be confident and think of myself as good looking. Not to mention my man tells me im a 10 all the time so its not just me thinking that about myself

[genericname85]

a man being "confident" in skills they suck at would be as delusional as a ugly chick thinking she's hot shit :D

[Apple1996]

Skills can be proven as bad. No one can prove someone is ugly

[genericname85]

that's why i'm saying it would be dumb to build confidence on looks if looks isn't what you got xD

[genericname85]

and either way it's not a good idea cause looks are eventually gonna fade.

[Apple1996]

Beauty doesn't fade. Thats ridiculous to think

[genericname85]

it absolutely does xD unless you litterally label everything "beautiful" at which point that word means nothing.

[Apple1996]

Nope women especially get more beautiful as they age. Youth fades, beauty stays

[genericname85]

yeah definitely doing the trolling right :D

[Apple1996]

No im not im just being honest and speaking my opinion. Its fine if you dont agree but that doesn't mean its trolling

[genericname85]

it's not toxic to have an opinion. but the entire "yaas queen" mentality definitely is toxic and delusional. if you're ugly, then don't build your confidence on looks simple as that. best not to build it on looks at all. better build it on achievements that you actively chose and succeeded in.

[Apple1996]

Again im not a dude. I dont need to build myself on achievements

[genericname85]

yeah dude you're completely fine buiding your confidence on absolutely nothing :D you're also free to shoot your own knee. nobody will stop you from doing that but is it smart? i doubt it.

[genericname85]

"dude" doesn't mean you're a guy. it's just informal. don't think about it so much.

[Apple1996]

Women are valued on their looks so its not nothing. I understand for men that they are valued on other things so for y'all yeah looks might get you nothing

[Apple1996]

Why do some people value looks so much when it's really personality that is actually important? ↗

I asked this awhile ago. Many people seemed kind of angry at me when I said looks shouldn't matter

[genericname85]

So you're saying you're accepting societal values when it comes to being valued for beauty but then you don't accept it when society thinks you're ugly? XD

[genericname85]

I'm not saying looks are not important. They are. But if you don't have them, that shouldn't be the focus of your confidence

[dustybiker2]

Maybe you're socializing with the wrong type of men?

[chrissykerdock]

men seem to give low grades i get only a 6

[AviatorTom]

@chrissykerdock I'd give you a 9, which goes nicely with the 6. 😏

[Apple1996]

They rate way lower than what the girl acutal is. They were calling margot robbie mid when she's obviously a 10/10

[cheating-test_com]

It's above average so not bad.

[Apple1996]

@cheating-test_com 6 is basically saying ugly but fuckable

[cheating-test_com]

@Apple1996 I’m here for the first day, and I can’t stand your comments already hahaha. 5/10 is average by definition. If 6 is ugly - I don’t know what planet you’re living on.

[chrissykerdock]

@AviatorTom it's just easier to go ahead and give the blowjob

[dean55au]

Your at least an 8/10 in my opinion

[chrissykerdock]

@dean55au why an 8

[dean55au]

That's just my honest opinion..😊

[chrissykerdock]

@dean55au why 8 n0t 9 or 6

[dean55au]

Can be a 9

[chrissykerdock]

@dean55au no it's not i look good in a miniskirt but i have an ugly face

[dean55au]

It's you as a package, looks, very open minded and openly honest

[MannMitAntworten]

@AviatorTom Good one! Clever! Funny part is it can be read both ways.

[Layla_99]

What’s wrong with an 8? Coming from a girl. Most celebrities aren’t even a 10.

[Ironco]

You forgot about us men that couldn't careless one way or the other.

[SamWinchester058]

There's no reason to get mad. It's not their fault you're delusional. Based on the things I've seen you post here I'd say you're a 3 on the inside. Might be higher in rating based on your looks but when people get to know you... yikes.

[Apple1996]

I litterally dont care what other people think of me. Im already taken by a man who thinks im a 10 with my looks and personality and I also think of myself as the same

[SamWinchester058]

Cool story bro

[SamWinchester058]

Crrrrrrrazzzyyyyy and very mentally stable...😂🤡

[Mangospacho]

I did watch the video. I had to rewatch it though because the whatever logo hit perfectly right inside the corner and bounced back not once but TWICE.

[Angeliki2004]

They hate it when women are sexy and they know it.

[Jennz6]

If you got it flaunt it 💃 10

[Apple1996]

You are a 10

[Jennz6]

@Apple1996
Yes

[Sam1133]

@Jenny26

You're more then 10 💀🥰

[Jennz6]

@Sam1133
Thank you Sam 🥰

[Sam1133]

@Jennz6

This weekend your place or my place? 🥰

[Jennz6]

@Sam1133
Come up and see me sometime 🥰

[Sam1133]

Done Babe don't make any olan for this weekend I'm coming to see you and I have bought something for you 🥰

[Jennz6]

@Sam1133 what do you have for me?

[Sam1133]

Your favorite rings n necklace 🥰🥰
@Jennz6

[DrPepper12]

That's stupid. Really? Guys do this?

[Apple1996]

Yep some men are bitter

[Grond21]

What does it mean to be a 10?

[Apple1996]

Beautiful, stunning, gorgeous. At least in my opinion thats what it means. Im sure everyone has their own opinion

[Grond21]

Physically, character wise, or both?

[Apple1996]

Im talking more about looks in this specific question

[Grond21]

So looks is somewhat objective. There's ways you can measure beauty. There's ways you can measure facial beauty based on facial symmetry and such. It's not 100% exact, and there is absolutely an element of subjectivity, but it's also not purely subjective, either. For example, I have a friend who thinks that Kiera Knightley is the most beautiful actress, and I definitely don't. He would rate her a 10 and I would rate her as more of a 7. But you won't see the same woman being rated as both high and low by large numbers of men.
Thus most women would fall under a range with 2-4 point spread

[KostasKouvalis]

Because it's almost impossible to achieve a perfect 10 without photoshop or heavy makeup

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Same reason why women get mad when they see other women rating themselves as 10/10 or rating each other that

[NathanDavis]

doesn't matter to me

[seeyounexttuesday]

lol. So you are calling men "mad" because they have eyes?

[Apple1996]

No because they are acting mad thinking their opinion is better than women's

[seeyounexttuesday]

Not better, just accurate

[Apple1996]

They really aren't. Men think literal super models are mid

[seeyounexttuesday]

wait you just said all women are 10s. How can they be mid?

[Apple1996]

Men think they are mid. I dont

[Apple1996]

Also no where did I say that all women are 10s

[seeyounexttuesday]

i don't get to tell you how to put tampons in, you don't get to tell men how to rate women.

[Apple1996]

Lol what? Thats not even comparable and im saying the opposite men cannot be telling women how to think

[seeyounexttuesday]

You've been putting in tampons for as long as I've been rating girls. So I'd trust our respective expertise.

[Sam1133]

I support freedom of free speech 🙃

[Sam1133]

Babe who hurts you?

[Sam1133]

Damn why you're so mad n uneasy now days apple? All well?

[Apple1996]

Just speaking some honesty

[Sam1133]

You will be always beautiful to me even 50yrs from now I will love you more when you have wrinkles on your face. 🥺

[Apple1996]

Awh thank you

[Smegskull]

You see confidence, we see arrogance, delusion, and pretentiousness.

[Apple1996]

Most likely because men dont acutally like confident women. Its easier to control a woman when she's insecure

[MannMitAntworten]

Why is the default control of women by men? This has to be how ‘some’ women see themselves … as easily manipulated and easily made insecure and easily controlled. Dear Me most sane men want nothing to do with that mental gymnastics. I mean, I prefer a woman who prefers my honesty even if it in includes a “fuck you” at the end.

As for “rating”. Some women may self “rate’ yourselves all 10’a because you ‘feel’ sexy or confident or whatever, but dear God the character of these women doing this with reckless abandon have little to no character. It is disturbing that these same women will then turn around and expect life to be bequeathed at their feet merely because they think themselves, “attractive”. See, men need not objectify women. Women objectify themselves. Equally women are the most critical of other women. It really is disturbing for men to see this behavior and if married to a woman who behaves this way … it is demanded of her nan to agree with her observations of the woman she is vilifying. That is not confidence either. Confidence does not require outside ego maintenance in order to remain confident. Either you are or you are not. If you are, nothing any man says or does to a legitimately confident woman is going to alter her course. Confidence comes from within and not from the sisterhood banding together rating one another 10s. That’s purely adolescence at its finest. Not to be indulged by the rest of the normal behaving adult world. Which includes both sex.

Finally, never mistake confidence with arrogance. There is a significant difference between the two.

[jahaims]

Because you can tell when it's delusional/fake.

[Apple1996]

And we can tell when men are saying its not true just to be mean to women and try making them insecure

[Dongie]

Apple, are you out here trying to pick a fight? 😅

[Apple1996]

@dongie you a 10

[Dongie]

Moi? Hehe, nah.

[LiamJHayden]

I find the entire ratings thing silly.

[Apple1996]

Rating is just equivalent to calling some ugly, average or beautiful. Puts a number on those things

[Kingofkings1992]

@Apple1996 putting numbers on someone’s attractiveness is dehumanizing. You said it yourself, all women have beauty. so why would we put a number on it?

[Apple1996]

@Kingofkings1992 if you dont like that numbers I pretty clearly said attractive or 10/10. Whichever one is easier for the person reading to understand. If I just put attractive some of y'all might not understand the question

[LunarEclipse433]

Who gets mad? It’s their opinion of themselves

[Apple1996]

I've had men do this to me a few times on her when calling myself attractive

[Apple1996]

Here*

[Apple1996]

I also have it happen often when I bring up how women look better as they age. Men have litterally attacked me time and time again over that opinion thinking they are always in the right about their opinion

[LunarEclipse433]

It’s their or your opinion of yourself. No one else’s opinion matters. Tell em to go pound sand

[Apple1996]

Yep thats usually what I do