Guys, do you think modern women's dating standards are too high?

[MCheetah]

Most women seem to think they aren't picky/entitled, but almost every woman I've spoken to (besides a few realistic ones on here, like @JosyJosy, @DizzyDesii, etc;) SAY things that contradict that. They'll ask for Tony-freaking-Stark and then think they're not asking for perfection. And honestly, it gets annoying AF, especially when they complain about "being single," but reject 99.9% of the quality male population. They'll also do all of this while literally bringing nothing to the table other than having a vagina (not "giving up the vagina," just HAVING one). And then when some men like myself call out these entitlements, like the infamous "you can change weight, but you can't change height" counter-argument, they'll huff and puff, but never address said argument or see their demands as "unrealistic" and unfair.

By unrealistic standards; I mean:
- 6'0" to 6'4", minimum height.
- Ego brimming out the ass; enough confidence to wrestle a bear and 100% believe you'll win.
- Earns way more money than her, no matter who she is or what she does for a living.
- Immaculate gym body that requires at least 15 hours a week of exercise.
- Always put her needs first, but without coming off like a simp/beta, somehow.
- Buys her whatever she wants.

Realistic standards would be:
- Any height that isn't significantly shorter than her.
- Isn't too insecure or has realistic flaws.
- Has a job and can pay his own bills.
- Is relatively healthy, even if not in athletic shape, and at least weighs more than her.
- No history of abuse, cheating, crime, or STD's.
- Treats her well and respects her without disrespecting himself.

It seems like most women under 30-35 want the first set, and will only "settle" for the second set when they're too old.

But what do you think?

Yes; women too often demand perfection from men nowadays.

No; women's standards are realistic and obtainable for most guys.

[hellionthesagereborn]

Well as your data shows, we know that they do, its a scientific fact. As for them complaining about being single, well their was a subreddit called "lonelywomen" which was were all the single women who were lonely would go and complain about being single. They made it a private reddit because to many men showed up who were willing to date them. So yeah, women have an extremely over inflated ego and idea of their own value.

But that happens when men put pussy on a pedestal and will fuck anything that moves, the attractive men will lower their standards making women think they are worth more then they are (women raise their standards for sex and for some reason seem to think that men do the same (hence women thinking that a guy wanting to have sex with them means something when it doesn't)), and the "beta" men will shower them with praise. Is it any wonder they have no perspective (can't even really blame them for it. I mean its like raising a kid in the "every one gets a trophy" era, how are they to know what they need to work on, what is realistic if they are praised for everything they do even failing (as so many fucking "motivational quotes" for women and even songs from women show is the case).

So in order to fix this men need to keep their dicks in their pants and have some fucking standards and they need to have a spine and be able to tell a woman off and call them out when they do wrong, not just online but in real life too. Problem is most men don't do this because not all women respond positively to being put in their place (trust me, I've got personal experience with this).

[Yads_Is_Back]

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You said this perfectly.

[MCheetah]

Yeah, very few women want actual equality, and the few who do are the successful ones men tend to respect anyway because they didn't coast their way through life on their Pussy Pass.

[Yads_Is_Back]

You are right. Not to brag but just to show an ethical point: getting respect is not that hard if you respect yourself and others. Respect is earned. I have avoided the problems a lot of women have with the wrong men. Have there been disrespectful guys, sure, but I don’t let them be a problem. Men will respect you if you give them something to respect.

[hellionthesagereborn]

Well the problem I have isn't that women not wanting equality, its that they want the benefits of being a man and the benefits of being a woman. If she wishes to play by the old rules, great, but that means she is going to obey me, period. I'm not playing the game where I take care of her but am also letting her lead me around. Thats like a business owner pandering to his workers, your not going to run a successful business that way. You shouldn't mistreat the workers of course, you should respect them, care about them etc. but their are rules and you have to follow them and if you don't follow them you show them the door.

If a woman wants to play by "men's rules", thats also fine , but she gets all the rules not just some of them. She wants to be treated as an equal she gets to be an equal and that means she suffers the consequences of her actions one way or another. She doesn't get to challenge a man to a fight and then expect that man to hold back, she wanted to be a man and when that happens, men need to actually step up and give them precisely what they have asked for (then they will understand why these rules are in place and why we have the expectations that we do (and this goes for men as well, you want to be a man you be a man but you are bound by the rules and codes that brings. You don't get to mooch off of her and have her act like your mother, you want respect you earn it.).

[Anonymous]

It's because of the illusion of choice.
Women have so many areas to get endless male attention with little to no effort except exposing themselves.
So they have these insanely unreachable standards because all they have to do is swim in the sea of attention until they find another male who they want to either fuck or attempt to change into the guy they want.

[TheUniqueOne96]

Given some of the attitude of SOME of them on here, I'd say yeah, but overall, I don't know - it's easy to feel frustrated when you hear or experience a lot of negativity and it almost makes it seem like men and women aren't made for each other, given how different they are, almost like a guy could try all he wants, but he'll never be good enough and the fact that us guys are generally expected to approach, makes us seem desperate too, but at the same time, if women approached us, wouldn't we be picky too and look for the best of the best.

I don't like to judge people for what they're attracted to, because I don't think it's something we have control over, so even the height thing and that's coming from a guy who's 159cm.

The only thing I find unfair, is when some women complain about guys not being good looking enough, IF they're only that good looking when they're wearing make-up, like how is that even a fair comparison, us guys don't generally wear that stuff, because you can fix almost anything with that on, from a beard, bad skin, dark circles, receding hairline, etc.

Another thing is, since guys are the ones that are expected to approach and seem interesting, but what about the women, like are we just supposed to sit there, make ourselves seem good enough, only to potentially get rejected for some dumb reason, because someone expected perfection and they didn't get that with a first impression, like a dinner date the first time two people meet up.

Standards work both ways and when I think of dating, based one some clips from shows like 'first dates', it just gives me the impression that we have to do everything to win someone over and if any of the things I've heard about women in relationships are true, then you've got to consider whether or not it's worth dating, especially if you made ever effort to pursue them - I'm solely going by stereotypes here and I'm saying they're true, just things I've heard, like the following (copied and pasted from one of my previous answers):

Can't keep secrets:

If you're in a relationship with your partner and he/she opens up to you, keep the information private and don't tell anyone else anything, IDGAF if it's your best friend or your mum, if you spill private information about your partner, you obviously lack respect for them.

Crying:

Not in general, I'm not against anyone having emotions, men or women, but if you're going to cry to avoid the consequences, because you know you're wrong, especially if you picked a fight in the first place, it's just stupid.

Not being direct:

If you want something, say it. Don't say one thing, mean another and then get upset when your partner listens to what you say. 'I'm fine'. Relationships are harder anyway, but if this is the reason why, then you've got to question whether or not it's worth dating something who's stupidly unreasonable and it links in to the next point.

Picking fights:

Apparently woman pick fights with their partner, just because they're bored. How stupidly unreasonable and immature is that? Grow up. I get that sometimes you may need to discuss a serious matter with you partner, but if you're going to pick a fight, simply because you're bored, then it's stupid and sounds like something a child would do.

Like I said above though, I'm not saying any of these negative stereotypes apply to all or most women, but if it does, then there's no point dating someone who's stupidly unreasonable, like the above.

[TheUniqueOne96]

Especially if one is going to use terms like 'real man', I mean play your role of a traditional woman.

[Aguysopinion4799]

I agree that the demand for a perfect man that is ripped and muscular is becoming popular, but it is not what every girl wants and I know from observation of relationships and talking to my female friends, my guy friends are also in relationships with girls and those guys are actually not at all ripped, they are just funny guys and found the right person.

I know many girls in my college have told me they have crushes on guys who were never muscle based and not always height based either, you can't say every girl wants the same thing because that is just wrong.

As for the liking muscular bodies part, I assume the attraction can be a cause from models being muscular in magazines and it gives false representation of what to expect but makes it desirable since it is a thing that they see in models, it also shows physical strength and fitness, which is something that is more desirable, but not all girls are controlled by these desires but perhaps just like to see a guy who puts the effort in to get fitter, the height has actually been a thing girls told me they get annoyed about and how they want a guy close to their height as it makes their neck ache if they are ridiculously shorter than the guy.

To be honest 6ft doesn't feel tall in my area, a lot of people are that height in my area, there are even girls taller than me and I am 6ft so the height only sounds like a lot on paper but not as much in real life.

There are girls who prefer guys who are shorter and girls who prefer guys who are skinnier, I know this is true because I talk with girls and I have a lot of female friends, you can't just assume they all want muscles and height.

As for the ego, that is actually a massive turn off for many girls I have spoken with, they like confidence but Ego and self glorification is going to be digging yourself a ditch and you might as well lay in it because they won't want to talk with a guy who only wants to talk about himself.

Earning more money is good if you live together as a family but as boyfriend and girlfriend it is not as important because you are not buying things really expensive and if you are then you should both pay if you are both going to use it, unless it is a gift for Christmas or valentine or birthday or anniversary.

Who doesn't like someone who exercises? shows you are willing to train your body and be healthy, not unrealistic, just a matter of if you are willing to do it.

Technically when you are in love you do put the person you love above yourself, and you expect them to do the same for you, a mutual thing, it isn't being a simp, it is how a relationship works.

No... they won't want you to buy everything but there may be times when they may ask for things from you as gifts, like hints to you and you could get them for their birthday or on a holiday. A independent girl won't want to rely on a guys wallet.

[_Troian_]

Yeah you are very right about your mytake sir, I thought only women in my country were like that, well actually they are very snoob and they all think they have right to pick any man they want lol but they're actually not that precious as they think.

I guess the reason why women today have very high standards is, men being more loud about what they want compared to them or men usually chasing women make them think "men needs women but women doesn't need men" it's because of stupid old taboos and traditions ( like always guy should take the first step bullshit ) especially in where I live, men can be very annoying and try to date with any women they can.. even if she is ugly. We even have sentence here for these people and we say "Damn it's just enough for woman to breath for this guy it's his only criteria" lmao.

Normally preferences should be like you said above but it's not, I guess especially "height" is very big deal, my height is 5.11 and when I was around 20 some 5.4 ish chick said I am short lmao, I dont care about her opinion tho but these people are just funny and insecure.

[LimboOfTheDink]

I'm not gonna say that first set of standards are realistic; they're not.

I'm just saying that no women I know have those standards. In fact a lot are open to "date down" and bring more to the table than what they ask for.

And to add, I personally think that the second set of standards could be a bit lower (he can be shorter but he can't weigh less? NO history of crime—even parking tickets?).

Maybe you just hang out with the snooty crowds if you keep meeting all the snooty women... 🍵🐸

[Summeroflove]

Well this is really subjective. I don’t think it’s fair to lump all women (or men) into one thing.

It depends on the woman. I hold people to the same standards they hold me. If someone loves me for who I am. I try to do the same. If you judge me for my money. You better be rich. My looks. You better be hot. You see where this is going. Examples all day. If you judge me for how brave I am. You better not be a coward yourself.

But. People should have standards. What everyone wants is different and it doesn’t make someone a bad person for not being attracted to me or me not being attracted to someone. It doesn’t mean I judge them on a personal basis. Just wouldn’t want to be with them romantically or sexually. That’s all.

People who do have too high of standards or unreasonable standards. Usually nobody wants them. Because the kind of people they want. Really don’t want someone like… the way they are. And become very bitter

[RemoErdosain]

Requiring someone to not have a "history of STDs" is about as unrealistic as all the others, since there's plenty of STDs and even oral sex can give a person one. A lot of them can be cured and not all of them are so bad, though. I think most girls have unrealistic expectations, and only settle for your realistic version, not necessarily when they're older, but just in general when they realize they won't find the super tall guy with the long dick who is also willing to commit and, like you said, be a simp while not being a simp at the same time

[BCA6010]

In regards to online dating, I think most people have their expectations set too high, which is also why a lot of people end up disappointed when they meet someone in-person. That, and basing assumptions entirely on looks is bad enough, but in the age of Photoshop, it's very easy for someone to oversell themselves (and many people do).

I think women tend to have much higher expectations at a younger age, but become more willing to settle at an earlier age, especially if they want kids. I don't necessarily see anything inherently wrong with that trend at face-value, but the fact that so many who want to start families will rush into a bad marriage at a young age is a serious problem.

[Yads_Is_Back]

The standards are not supposed to be obtainable by most guys. That would ruin the point of having the standard lol
It’s survival of the best. Get it or go home.

Does this mean that standards can’t be too much or that some people aren’t hypocritical about it or unrealistic? No. Both of those are true sometimes. But.. if I meet the standards I lay and those standards help me get a better man than settling for less, sorry but the standards stay.

[Yads_Is_Back]

P. S. Sorry, I didn't read the description first. But yeah, entitlement is not the same as taking something for granted.
Entitlement goes both ways. Am I entitled for a good man? No I am not. But I'm fortunate to have one. Am I entitled that if the man wants me he will make it known? Yeah. And men have entitlements too. If you don't want those entitlements as men, then feminists or women who aren't proud of being a woman are just for you.
Should we take for granted that someone has an interest in us? NO!

[Yads_Is_Back]

Also, those standards are bogus. I think most women are perfectly fine with the realistic ones.

[Yads_Is_Back]

"They'll also do all of this while literally bringing nothing to the table other than having a vagina (not "giving up the vagina," just HAVING one)." Well, obviously guys accept that and that low quality, so if you're one of those guys with no standards like that then don't complain about what you get. It's as simple as that.
Be of quality yourself and demand quality.

[FinalFantasyBro]

I say the girls standard are reasonable, I am a guy and even I have big standards in terms of women. Personally to me if I am only thinking of sex than yes don't care for her, I just want her pussy and ass. But now as a romantic partner her just being pretty ain't going to cut it she needs to show more of herself and I mean her personality and life not her physical appearance. She can be a drop dead bombshell with triple d titties but if her personality is straight up garbage or you know just a horrible person, than her boobs ain't worth it.

[FinalFantasyBro]

Also it not only women, there are men like myself with huge standards in terms of women too. I don't see anything wrong with having standards in terms of dating, I feel like people who just doesn't want to put in the effort to look appealing be the ones who hate the idea of standards, of course this goes for both men and women.

[Avicenna]

Some do have very unrealistic expectations. A lot of it is fed by female friends and relatives.
Note to guys on dating apps- many women, if not most, get input from family and friends about guys they see on the apps. You may actually be getting “rejected” by them, not her!

[Jamie05rhs]

That's kind of f'ed up, though, if you don't even get the chance to meet her friends and relatives before they reject you.

I am fully confident that if a girl brought me to meet her parents then I would blow their socks off.

[iseekpinetrees]

No I think we're pretty normal. Looks wise its pretty hard to have a guy too ugly to date. Looks grow on us once we like u. But its if you click is whats really important. We will often overlook other things. As long as your trying to be the best you you can be.

[KrakenAttackin]

You see how the women on GAG are voting, they are self dillusional to the end.

[Yads_Is_Back]

I think the poll is biased to the asker and therefore I did not vote. I think a lot of women probably won't. But for those who do, I wouldn't count it as accurate. The poll is biased because this asker is one who complains about this stuff all the time.

[MCheetah]

@Yads_Is_Back
Literally the first thing I wrote is "Most women seem to think they aren't picky/entitled. And in your own response - which I did not respond to, out of politeness - you go ahead and prove you ARE picky/demanding/entitled, but that it's justified. So you're ironically trying to do spin/damage control for something you almost agree with, but not quite (because as one person put it, women never like to look bad in public).

[Yads_Is_Back]

@mcheetah Uhhmmm no. Because you are making "entitled" and "taking advantage" sound like the same thing. they are not. Men are just as entitled about who they want to date. It's a choice for everybody. Taking advantage of it is another story. They are not the same thing, which you tried to demonstrate.

[Yads_Is_Back]

You can reply to mine if you want to. I'm cool, it's a good topic. I even PMed you to try to help. You've told me before that you like the way I explain things. I have no problem explaining myself. Feel free to comment on mine so we don't blow up peach boy's notifs (jk, love you @KrakenAttackin lol)
Taking advantage of people is wrong. PERIOD

[MCheetah]

@Yads_Is_Back
I never mentioned "taking advantage of" and don't see how that's related to this. I'm simply talking about asking for perfection and then getting mad (at men, or even women) when they live up to impossible standards only a dozen people on the entire planet could *possibly* live up to.

And yes, I'll check that message.

[Yads_Is_Back]

Asking for perfection is taking advantage of your ability (entitlement) to pick who you want. As you said perfectly, nobody’s perfect. Not only is it an unrealistic expectation, but it’s also stuck up. Even the lowest person you consider unworthy showing an interest in you is to be appreciated. Nobody and nothing says they have to, yet they gave you the time of day.

[KrakenAttackin]

@Yads_Is_Back The poll may have a bias but the graphs show actual data about the attitudes of men vs. women. The attitudes of women reflect a core belief that is statistically impossible as most men cannot be below average looking, by definition. So if the majority of women have demonstrably unreasonable beliefs how are men supposed to respect this?

[theBigLoser]

I believe that once isn't enough but repeated behavior is well what you do. I have seen women treat men worse than meat... I mean yes the image of perfection is attainable but requires time spent
Magazines, porn, and movies are all about what or how to look... yet we are all different what looks best will not always win out...
Eh. Notoriously harder and harder to get a god bod as you get older... but to answer...
Women have changed with the times and all of us have changed along with it. So standards have gotten high... let's just give em a slap on the wrist this time.

[Jjpayne]

I think women do have some strict dating expectations. But I will say for me when they start getting bossy on their dating profile, that's a red flag for me

[FinalFantasyBro]

So true, sometimes people do have expectations for others, while standards themselves isn't a problem you should still treat the other person as a person not a servant.

[Jamie05rhs]

LOL at women wanting men to earn more than them, and yet also wanting gender pay equality.

[DizzyDesii]

Anyone outside of an arranged marriage would prob have standards considered to high. Just because a guy/girl can't reach your standards doesn't mean theyre too high. Some people just dont fit the bill

[DizzyDesii]

Sorry i just fully read it. Yea those standards are hard to come by. Those women dont deserve a boyfriend 🤣

[Pete671]

Yes they are imho, but I think there is also a confidence issue with women as there is with men, perhaps women declare high standards to avoid rejection or something?,,,

[Hangry22]

You're talking like you don't have any preferred height/weight in a woman😒

[MCheetah]

I have very few things I would reject a woman over, unlike most women I've talked to who have rejected me over my height, race, or looks. Also, this one little thing you bring up doesn't deflate my argument or contribute anything useful to it.

[MCheetah]

And actually, no, I don't have a preferred weight in a woman. I'm not a white dude, so I don't want a skinny chick. I just want some level of curves, which isn't exactly related to weight.

[Hangry22]

Just those stuff I have seen in your questions and my takes because I really don't have any physical preferences but it maybe because I am short and half demisexual

[MCheetah]

I have things I prefer, but my only dealbreakers are feminists/far left extremists, queer people, jerks, open relationship types, and men.

[Hangry22]

That's reasonable since those are personality traits. But i do think both men and women have high standards when it comes to how good of a partner they will be in long term relationships.
From what i have seen, while guys may date away from their standards, if someone who meets all their standards comes along, they will cheat. A male user here said this about his top racial preference.
I think most women will be looking for long term partners more and so do not settle for anyone less. This doesn't imply women don't cheat

[chHaynes]

Actually women's is standards a little too unrealistic if you look at a fat woman he tried to ask her out cuz you're a little chubby yourself she said no cuz you're fat that makes her a hypocrite and then I really

[art84]

Yes they are too high when when it comes to dating.