How would you approach a feminist girl?

[Pillarofhell]

I dont know why I even care to make her like me, she's just interesting I guess. I almost feel gay for being attracted to her cuz her body is manly. No wonder she's single.

I met her last year and last saw her sometime around January. Now I'm in her city again and trying to figure out how to cleverly "bump into her".

And then what to say and what attitude to have, or how to appear to her.

Go ahead and ask me some questions about her if you need more details.

[Lliam]

If you can manage to "cleverly bump into her" again, be cheerful about it and ask her out, even just for coffee or something. Just have a normal, friendly conversation. There's no reason to get into politics or social issues initially. Once up close, you can check out her looks, body language, voice and basic attitude. See if she is friendly or has a chip on her shoulder.

The thing is, there are feminists and feminists. Some girls are intelligent, self-empowered, and like men. They're simply have self esteem, minds of their own, and won't be treated with disrespect. I actually like women like that, as long as they are also feminine. A lot of women who support women's empowerment are actually a lot of fun, liberated, uninhibited, and celebrate their femininity.
The kind of feminists who are pains in the ass are sort of defensive and confrontational SJW types. They resent men. I have no interest in women like that.

[Pillarofhell]

Yeah she is the first type but unfortunately the body mimics the mind

[RolandCuthbert]

What is your definition of "feminist"? Is a woman with a PH. D in genetics automatically a feminist? If a woman voted for Joe Biden? If she carries a.44 Magnum. . .

GaG is a weird place. There is some masculine stuff women can engage in without being called feminist. But this place is about politics. Not actually about what is considered to be feminine or masculine. I found that out when I was arguing with a bunch of males here. . . about what accounts for being masculine.

What Are Masculine Traits?

[Screenwriter]

"I dont know why I even care to make her like me, she's just interesting I guess. I almost feel gay for being attracted to her cuz her body is manly. No wonder she's single."

If you can't figure out why you "even care" to interest her, and you "feel gay" for being attracted to her because you don't like her body, why ARE you bothering?

Your comment about "no wonder she's single," is such a mean putdown, I'm baffled by you. I think you need to get your head in a better place. I doubt this woman would be interested in you if this is what you think about her and being attracted to her..

[Luopio27]

@Screenwriter
You are baffled. That word and your comment lead me to find the defenition of the word that I only heard once before in the Halleluja song of shrek soundtrack.

This post, your word and answer makes me imagine this becoming a real life Shrek story. Shrek was lost before he found fiona. The rest of us im GaG are sideline characters.

[Screenwriter]

@Luopio27 Let me rephrase. I do not understand your push/pull, interest/repulsion with this woman. You can't seem to make up your mind. You don't know why you'd bother with her, BUT she's interesting. You feel GAY for being attracted to her because her body is manly. You put her down, insult her and yourself even, say she's interesting, you GUESS, then you know why she's single because she has a "manly" body!!!
Maybe you should leave this woman alone because you're so conflicted. And I am not baffled. You're the one who appears confused, perplexed, bewildered by your feelings.

[Luopio27]

Your maturity level is way higher right now than mine. I dont even know this guy but he is not as shallow as many are. Never saw any girl give him credit for that.

Im not even suprised anymore because the way he talks about women's looks can easily trigger very angry feelings. Many women have been called ugly and that does hurt, and so does the idea of any woman in a relstionship being talked that way behind their back or in their face.

My reference to shrek was just triggered by rare words you use. The way this guy speaks about girls, even the one he liked is hurtful to girls and funny to immature and shovinist guys. He got my immature side out. But anyway his way of talking is ugly. He refers the girl as ugly. In Shrek, the oger learned to do better and embrased their kind. He saw their kind more beutiful than any human could.

We dont know what this girl had said to him about feminism but there is a small chance she could have been just as blunt.

[CrazyGirl2]

Well I would normally say “approach her politely and with respect”, but the language you use to describe her is just stunning “she manly”, “you feel gay for liking her”, and “No wonder she’s single”
Let me give you some advice… She is a feminist, you can sometimes come across as borderline misogynistic, that relationship will NEVER work out!

[Bobsyoruncle]

I have absolutely NOTHING against women who want to be treated and paid, fairly, as adults.

But ‘FEMINISM’, today, is a word that conjures up images of much more (as well as much LESS) than that.

At my age I don’t have the time needed to dabble with 30 year mortgages, bucket lists than run longer than a single page, double spaced OR hyper-politicized quasi-religions like ‘feminism’.

The young ones, of both genders, can sort THAT crazy ball of wax out.

IF they really think it’s worth the effort.

[TruthBringer]

Young one here. I don't want to bother and it's not worth the effort. I'm happy to say that many men of my age and older have seen the true face of feminism. And I can gaurantee you that judging by the fact that the marriage rates are at their lowest points and still dropping, as well as men staying away from relationships, there is going to be an influx of desperate and bitter cat ladies who can thank their feminist ideology for dying lonely.

Only women who are worth their cents manage to get themselves a fine man to commit to them

[slatyb]

What's difficult about that? "Hi, I've seen you around. I'm <name>". You can tell in about ten seconds if she has any interest. After three minutes if she's still talking to you, invite her to lunch or coffee or whatever. Then try to have a conversation without thinking about getting in her pants. After I divorced I had no trouble finding partners. I met a number of women online, and I never asked for anything -- they asked me. If they were interested on the first date, they let me know they would like to be kissed. If we made it to the third date, they invited me in, or invited themselves over.

[globetrotter22]

Well you know the old saying. Going to bed with a feminist is a false rape allegation waiting to happen.

Okay jk jk. One thing about feminists is they usually speak their mind and approach men they are attracted to. While they often lack feminity while doing this I do have to hand it to them about being straight up if they want sex or not. That is one of the very few good qualities about these types.

Anyway I would just start a friendly conversation with her. If she likes you I doubt she will hide it. Also I don’t know your political beliefs but I warn you that there is 9 out of 10 chance she will bring up politics. You can choose to go along with it if you want to get laid. But if you disagree (as you really should) you better be very careful about doing it. While most women like a man who can stand his ground I find that modern far left women take most disagreements as personal insults. They enjoy getting riled up because it feeds into their victim mentality.

[TruthBringer]

Dating a feminist is a disaster waiting to happen. That is for masculine men worth their two cents. Those who date feminists are usually men who aren't really in tune with their masculinity and want the woman to wear the pants in the relationship. But by all means if that's the type of life you want, then go for it. Just don't end up coming here demonizing the girl if things the way you want. You were warned beforehand.

[MrOracle]

Why would you do that to yourself. Just hit yourself in the hand with a hammer - it will hurt less and heal more quickly.

[Luopio27]

The fact that her big body doesn't bother you, shows you are not a shallow man. But her feminine side must be confusing at best.


Your ability to be honest with your feelings for feeling almost gay for liking such a big woman was not taken lightly by women here. The comment after that, no womder she is single, really got under the skin of female readers.


Maybe we can help you better if we know what it is in her you like and what it is in her you dont.

[Anonymous]

https://www.samaritans.org/how-we-can-help/contact-samaritan/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=onebox

There you go a suicide helpline because that right there is a suicidal act

[Luopio27]

I can't tell who's comments are worse. The men or women's.

[hahahmm]

No. The modern feminist only cares about herself which makes her unworthy of taking seriously. She won't give you anything except sex and you can get that from literally any other woman. If you fall for somebody self-centered you're going to be a doormat and end up a cuck like Will Smith. Don't be that guy.

[Heartache0405]

Don't go after feminist types. You'll regret it. I did and I ended up with a false accusation and a PPO that I had to fight against in court. Unless you want to go through that too, I suggest don't chase feminists. But you do you dude

[Pillarofhell]

The danger is what's exciting to me.

[Heartache0405]

In that case, good luck I guess 😅

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

That girl was a cunt. Doesn't mean a feminists are.
My wife is a feminist. Never had to endure any bad behavior from her.

[Heartache0405]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8, not yet...

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

Been with her for seven years now. Married for two.
The preconceived idea you have about feminists don't fit the ones I know at all. Specially my wife.

I understand that you went through a very bad situation. But to blame all feminists for it is the same as blaming all men for rape when only a few do.

[Heartache0405]

Be that as it may, feminists have a really bad rep and for good reason. Claiming they're for the equality of both men and women when all they care about are women. They'll throw men to the curb for their own gain when it's convenient for them and they believe that they can get away with it. And it's extremely easy for them to do. I knew a guy who said his ex threatened to kill him and everyone in the house, had the weapons ready and everything, and this guy was in the army, and he called the police and they arrested him while she just sat on the couch crying crocodile tears while his brother went batshit crazy over the whole ordeal.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

And in my country we had two guys destroy the face of a women with a baseball bat with nails and both walk free. Why? Because she was cheating on one of them and since that is very humiliating to a man the judge let them go.
Shit things happen to everyone. Don't blame an entire group for it.

[Heartache0405]

@This_is_my_opinion, judge shouldn't have let them go, she shouldn't have cheated. The guys should have just left her. Would have been simple. All were at fault in that situation.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

Just to tell you justice is not fair. I know examples of it being unfair to literally every gender and race.

[Heartache0405]

This_is_my_opinion, I agree with that. Though in my country women get away with a hell of a lot because they're women. And they use that to their advantage. Not to say that women here don't deal with problems but majority of them make it harder for those who actually do need to find justice. And the reason for that, at least here, is because of feminism. Or misandrism masquerading as feminism

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

Those women who use feminism as a shield for their shitty behavior are the worst. I know they exist and honestly I don't think they should.

[Heartache0405]

This_is_my_opinion, They really are. And unfortunately there are far more of them than the ones you claim your wife is. Just ask around

[snackthatsmilesback]

What the fuck dude? Maybe you should consider you are not straight if it's just the "feminineness" of the body that attracts you, and not that it's a woman. There are plenty of feminine men I'm sure you would find attractive as well by that standard.

If she's interesting to you but you aren't attracted to her, why don't you just try being friends with her? Why would you try to manipulate her into liking you—especially if you don't even like her? What is your goal here?

[snackthatsmilesback]

There is no clever way to bump into her without stalking her first. Which I do not recommend. Maybe get a mutual friend to set her up to meet you at a specific place and time, if you don't want to approach her yourself directly. That or just go about your trip and hope you happen to cross paths.

[noohair]

Treat her beliefs like it is a religion and do not discuss anything about it with her.

[SweetDumplings]

Her body is manly huh? Well you can go up to her and be like do you work out your body is incredible. If you want to lie like that and then maybe you can see where things go I mean I don't know... um good luck!

[Razp_Sorbet]

Yeah just don't you seem like a dick and that's not going to go well. Or do... Maybe your ego needs some crushing.

[Pillarofhell]

I had to say that so I didn't get a bunch of replies saying Im gay

[Razp_Sorbet]

Only makes you more of a dick

[Pillarofhell]

What can you do

[MCheetah]

I wouldn't. That's literally one of the last types of people I'd ever consider approaching, along with transpeople, queer people, polyamorous people, and men.

[dustybiker]

Just be yourself. With any luck she’ll say something nasty to you squashing your confused feelings. Problem solved. If not you might have something real with her.

[dustybiker]

That was light humor. Be brave and get it over with. You’ll always regret not asking her out otherwise.

[AviatorTom]

The same as any other girl. You say Hi, start a conversation, and see what you have in common. Feminists don't bite.

[MCheetah]

They don't bite; they just accuse you of sexual misconduct for daring to make eye contact at them and try to "cancel" you.

[bean2k21]

Give her a home-made gift certificate for a 'Go To Jail For Free' pass, that entitles her to convict you of a crime without your defending yourself. Or, just cut off your penis. She'll love it.

[tatianamay]

Don't approach her

No offense, you kind of seem like a jerk

[EaterPeter]

By running in opposite direction like you've seen ghost

[EaterPeter]

Thanks for likes!

[msc545]

Stay away from her. These are angry, hostile women who will ruin your life with false accusations of harassment and rape at the drop of a hat.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

That sounds like a misandrist.

[msc545]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 Feminists ARE misandrists by definition.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

No they are not. Misandrists hate men. Feminists don't.

[msc545]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 ok, find out for yourself.

[Pillarofhell]

I know. Thats what makes it funny. Maybe she won't do it to me. Hahaha.

[msc545]

Do you like taking chances like this with your life?

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

I have. My wife is a feminist. She couldn't love me more.
My sister is a feminist also married and loves her husband.

[msc545]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 Anecdote is not a synonym for data.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

And you think the isolated cases you hear about are the rule? Or are they pick and chosen examples? Situations that most feminists would actually despise and say "that is not feminism"

[TruthBringer]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 If feminists didn't hate men, then the manosphere would have not existed. "Your facts are only yours". Classic case of a hit dog hollers.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@TruthBringer I just said in my last response that you were so triggered with our last interaction that you were now just trying to get into arguments with me. And look here you are again. Sorry but this one was actually funny.

About this topic... Manosphere is just a place full with coping mechanisms. Nothing more.

[TruthBringer]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 Lovely how you start to deflect a counter point to your response. Trust me, mate. I'm not here for the love of arguing with you, I'm here laughing at your flawed mindset and I stumbled upon this (still fresh & active) post only to find you triggered by anyone who has something to say about feminists. And yet I'm the "triggered" one. Like I said. A hit dog hollers

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@TruthBringer not even going ti try to argue anymore? That lost in hope?

[TruthBringer]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 That's a question you're asking me or yourself? YOu didn't even respond to my example about manosphere other than claim it's cope. Which ironically is cope in itself. Why? Because the manosphere has it's own story as well as feminism. And you ditched that aside as "cope". Come back when you have anything intellectual to say. Jesus Christ this is way too amusing

[msc545]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 I hear about and see a lot more than isolated cases. You are extrapolating from an N=1 situation with your wife.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@TruthBringer Asking you obviously, because you didn't continue with the argument after I respond to it. Somehow you now appear confused that I have, but I will answer you again. You asked why it exists I told you to give some men a coping mechanism. Excuses if you will. That is the answer. There is nothing more to it.
I have been in the manosphere. I know what they preach there and it's laughable. Literally always a way to push away blame for their own mistakes and flaws. If you are part of it that explains a lot.

Sorry buddy, but you just be amused at yourself. Again I was just done calling you out on another post for being so triggered that you were now following me and on the next second you do it again. It was priceless. Would you feel better if I said sorry?

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@msc545 I had this conversation in this very question with another guy. What you are thinking are shitty women who use feminism as a shield for their bad behavior. Not of actual feminists.

[msc545]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 Bullshit. Why are you defending women who think you are a piece of garbage that exists only to please them? Are you that much of a simp?

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

First they cause don't think that about me or about you.
Second I defend them because guys are actively shooting themselves in the foot by believing feminists hate them. Most women in the US today considered themselves feminists. Guys like you who believe they all hate you have your dating pool massively reduced and live in fear of even approaching girls. That is why seeing them for what they are helps us.

[TruthBringer]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 I'm still waiting for you to properly debunk my example of bringing in the existence of the manosphere as a response to modern toxic feminism. There was no such thing as groups like MGTOW prior to modern feminism. So it was actually your turn buddy considering the "cope" claim didn't debunk anything from my end. Focus on the points rather than me as a person, I know it's a hard thing for you to do since you're so used to logical fallacies.

"Literally always a way to push away blame for their own mistakes and flaws. If you are part of it that explains a lot."
- That's literally the core essence of modern feminists. Claiming zero accountability and shoving blame to MEN and "PATRIARCHY". So you're sitting here simping over feminists while you're condemning the same behavior in men. Double standards at their finest. Here is a prime example, enjoy watching it:
https://youtu.be/I5lfBKUd90I

"You're mad because I called you out"
- Says the guy who resorts to the use of logical fallacies including ad hominems and appeal to ridicule. Come back once you stopped contradicting yourself. Pot. Kettle. Black. + A hit dog hollers.

[TruthBringer]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 Since that @Subarugirl was so kind to you for removing my replies to you on that other thread. I'll be posting them here.

Still ignoring the definition of entitlement, are we? Just because I’m entitled to be served at a restaurant as a paying customer, doesn’t mean I’m allowed to overstep my boundaries by breaking every spoken or unspoken rule that restaurant has set. Entitlement does NOT mean having unconditional right without any boundaries. That’s a definition YOU brought to the table and that YOU have assigned to the word ‘Entitlement’. Which means YOU are in the wrong. Now you’re playing mental gymnastics as soon as you realized you fucked up by just me having to show you the definition of the word.
No it does not apply to humans. We don’t own humans. However, we own the right to have an advantage in aspects in someone’s life that another does not have. That definition you pulled from LAW. com speaks within the context of owning THINGS not people. Once again, invalid argument on your end.

[TruthBringer]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8

I asked my girl whether we are entitled to each other's bodies, and she said "whats the point in being in a relationship if you're not entitled to one another? By agreeing to a relationship, you agree to give that person a right that others don't have whicb your significant other is entitled to. That includes the body. Might as well go screw everyone or none at all". Sorry mate, but you and I have not the same rights. But good to know I have as much right to your woman as you do. That's exactly what cucks and men with cuckold tendencies think. Or men who have wifed a feminist like yourself. Something that is not the case for the majority of monogamous relationships. What a "husband" you are 🤣🤣.

"You screwed up on the basic definition of entitlement. Because as we saw having the right over something means you have ownership over that thing."

- oh look, more proof of the invalidity of your reading comprehension as well as skills to produce a valid counter argument. If I were wrong about the definition of 'entitlement', then how come you didn't correct me on that, but instead pulled a red herring to play your mental gymnastics? Like I said, keep deluding yourself. At this point it's obvious you're butthurt for losing face after your damage control arguments got debunked with actual counter-arguments.
Just claiming someone is incorrect is not how to expose someone to be wrong, especially after that person managed to bring actual counter arguments without jumping to logical fallacies like yourself did. Try again. You failed massively yet again.

[TruthBringer]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 As a husband, you should be entitled to your woman's body far more than another any other person outside of the relationship. No one claimed it's entitlement in an unconditional way. Not even in the definition. But by all means keep twisting definitions because you so badly want to pedestalized women which is obvious simpish behavior. Come back when you managed to produce a comment without a single logical fallacy. Not that I can I’m going to hold my breath since I can already smell them coming.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@TruthBringer Oh that? I have nothing to say to that. I believe that it might have been created literally because they needed a place filled with people who want to blame feminism for everything. Changes nothing. If anything proves my point. They needed a place where they could all blame their shortcomings on feminism because it gave women equal power. Again coping mechanism, by shifting the blame.
But I get it you think they were created because men needed a place to talk about their problems caused by feminism. And I consent that to some that might have been the case. But like I told you I have been in the manosphere, most guys there don't fall into this category.

I already saw that video. I also watch Abba and Preach. That video was hilarious as well as the ones they talk about transgenders in MMA. But what does it has to do with anything we are discussing here? Shifting blame? Like I say guys in the mesosphere do? Thing is you will find that most problems those men have is the lack of control over women. And most feminist problems is their lack of freedom.

You literally proved my point the moment you decide to come here for me. What do you want me to tell you? There is no way around that.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@TruthBringer Jesus Christ you wrote a lot. Give me a second.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@TruthBringer She should have left them for everyone to see as far as I am concerned.
This is hilarious! I am not ignoring the definition you are! Because you are not taking into account the definition of having the rights over something.
But you are not entitled to be served at a restaurant! People can say no to serve you. The restaurant can cast you out. The moment those things can happen you are not entitled by definition.
And you continue to ignore conveniently the rest of the definition. Nice. Work around it all you want, having the right over something means you own that something. And try as you might there is no way around that.

Let's try this again... I also have the same rights to YOUR partner's body as you do! Booom!!! Shock right? But it's true I do! Difference is she chooses to let you do whatever you want with it. Still her choice, not yours. The moment that choice is just yours than you are entitled. Duh!
That's how it works. Get it now?
Also don't try to seek help of your partner for an random internet discussion. You should be able to handle it on your own. Your partner, just like you not knowing the definition changes nothing.

Because that definition is correct so I. not going to correct you. But you forgot the rest of it. 'No one claimed it's entitlement in an unconditional way." By definition it is!

[TruthBringer]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8

Shifting blame is never okay. You’re the one claiming cope when I simply referred to that if toxic feminism wasn’t such a big thing as you claim it not to be, then groups within the manosphere wouldn’t be growing bigger and bigger. Toxicity and projection on either side is bad. One cannot condone one over the other. However, understanding cause and effect is clear. Just as understanding how feminism came to be (when it didn’t turn out toxic and wasn’t hijacked by marxists), the same could be undertood for groups within the manosphere.
That video I’ve sent is a prime example to how powerful toxic and modern feminism has become, that things like that are being organized (as they wanted) and they STILL manage to blame men for “oppression”. All because the male team had won. This is a response to your “cope” argument when you’re supporting a group that resorts to cope 24/7 themselves.
“You literally proved my point the moment you decide to come here for me. What do you want me to tell you? There is no way around that.”
- And what point may that be? It’s not like I seek you out on every thread you post just to argue with you. I happened to stumble upon you here and disagreed with your arguments. If you think I have a special spot for you, then delude yourself further, pal lmfao

Still waiting for you to properly debunk my example of the manosphere. “Cope” is hereby dismissed as it is not a valid argument, but rather just a buzzterm for damage control. Good luck.

[TruthBringer]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8

“Because you are not taking into account the definition of having the rights over something.”
- I already disected this as you not only brought another term into the matter not being discussed, but also are using a definition that is made within a context that does not fit humans, but rather law and material. Again, invalid argument.

“But you are not entitled to be served at a restaurant! People can say no to serve you. The restaurant can cast you out. The moment those things can happen you are not entitled by definition.”
- Thanks for repeating just what I’m saying. A restaurant is still supposed to give you the entitlement of being served if you stay within the boundaries. Otherwise why would a customer even visit if the restaurant doesn’t want to serve? In the case of marriage, why would someone be married if they aren’t allowed to touch their partner. Thanks for making my argument for me.

“And you continue to ignore conveniently the rest of the definition. Nice. Work around it all you want, having the right over something means you own that something. “
- Says the dude who is the one who pulled the massive red herring from LAW. com. Having a right to something doesn’t mean I own it. I have the right to use public transport if I pay and obey the rules (like not smoking in the train), doesn’t mean I own the train. Try again.

[TruthBringer]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8

“Let's try this again... I also have the same rights to YOUR partner's body as you do! Booom!!! Shock right? But it's true I do! Difference is she chooses to let you do whatever you want with it. Still her choice, not yours. “
- No you are not. Because she gave her commitment to me and not to you. Entitlement can still be given. No where does it say that it was yours always. I’m entitled to use my PC however I want, on the condition that I because paid for it. I’m entitled to my girl’s body on the condition we both are committed to each other. But seems like you like to pay and not get the benefit for what you pay for. That’s your issue mate, don’t make it seem like we are on the same boat as you. We are not. Again, another fail on your end.
“Also don't try to seek help of your partner for an random internet discussion. You should be able to handle it on your own.”
- I didn’t seek help from her, I wanted to know what she thought and it seems she doesn’t agree with you. It’s not like she came here and starts arguing with you. Funny since you claim you’re entitled to her body while she highly disagrees with you.
“ But you forgot the rest of it. 'No one claimed it's entitlement in an unconditional way." By definition it is!“

- Definition of ‘entitlement’ once more: “the fact of having a right to something.”. Do you see anything about ownership and unconditionally? I don’t. (insert curb your meme theme)

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@TruthBringer The Nazi party gathered many supporters by pointing at certain groups and saying "Hey they are to blame for all of bad in your lives." In that case the social and economic status of Germany at the time. Same thing here with feminists as a big easy target. That is why they grow. Men get hurt, see many like them and their blame ends! Because if so many are saying X for sure X must be true!

I never denied that toxic people within feminism exist. Unlike you I can see the flaws of the things I defend. But they don't make the rule. Unlike out boys in the sphere.

I don't believe that you just happened to stumble here when this was literally the last thing I answered to at the time. You went to my profile saw what I had been replying to and came trying to finally get one over me.

I literally just said in my last comment why the sphere is basically men looking for a way to cope with their shortcomings. Literally the previous comment.

[TruthBringer]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8 Still believing I followed him. The irony of claiming someone is coping. Once again: A hit dog hollers.

The similarity between the nazis and feminists funny enough is that they both brought negative attention to themselves. The nazis in the way of war and allied forced who opposed them and feminists brought it upon themselves with the manosphere opposing them. Which means that groups have gained enough count and influence that gave birth to other groups opposing them. But according to you that's just cope. I guess the allied forces were coping as well.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@TruthBringer Yes I do have the same rights to your girlfriend body as you do. Unless like you said she gave you that entitlement. But if she did, by definition she can't say no to you now. I feel like I am repeating myself now... It would be helpful if you could get the point.
I already told you I don't ask for permission when I want to touch my wive. I simply do it. If she is not in the mood she will tell me. Lack of memory and fail on your part not on mine. Thing is, this doesn't mean I am entitled to anything. Again by definition.

Yes now google what it means to have the rights over something. Oh wait I already did and posted it previously. It had ownership on it! Door for you is over there take with the rest of you dignity while you still have it.

And you are correct we are not the same. Not even close.

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@TruthBringer Yes you did. I know you will never admit it but that is another fail on your part.

I compared the Nazis to the sphere in case you missed it.
Yes it is just cope. For the most part anyway.

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@This_Is_My_Opinion8 The dude who claims not to have some entitlement to his wife's body, the same woman he MARRIED and committed his life to is telling other people they have little dignity. The same dude is notorious for simping for women here and gets called out for it by multiple users. Omfg the irony is palpable HAHAHAH. All because you noticed you fucked up big time.

Listen dude, as I said. Entitlement is an ambigious term. Learn the meaning of ambigious. I literally threw the definition in your face multiple times that contradict your claim. The fact here is that YOU'RE the one who imposed your own interpretation to what "entitlement" is. Which is flawed at its core. Entitlement can be given and can be taken depending on the context and boundary. You can delude yourself all you want, but you're not as entitled to my girl's body as I am. Because she didn't give you that privilege. She gave it to me. And as long as the conditions are met, I'm entitled to it. Entitlement come with conditions. And as long as those conditions are met, that entitlement (depending on the context) applies. If LAW (the red herring you pulled) was so black and white, then the LAW books weren't so complicated and the books would be VERY THIN. But any dude who went to law school will slap you across the face for your claim.

And THANK GOD we are not close, such a shameful way to be a 'man' if if I were you.

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@This_Is_My_Opinion8 "I know you will never admit it". Again cope.

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@TruthBringer Yes. I am not an abuser who demands entitlement to my wife. I do call that dignity.
You might not understand this, and this might shock you, but sharing my genuine opinion is not simping. I don't come here just be to agreed with in fact to debate is what I like the most. I am not like the guys from the sphere who don't like to be challenged on their views and go only where everyone agrees with them.

Oh now is ambiguous. Backpedaling much?
If you recall from the very start I said that I knew it meant something different for you and me. That you didn't actually thought of it as your girlfriend not being able to say no. You didn't seem to understand those words then, but now is ambiguous?

"And THANK GOD we are not close, such a shameful way to be a 'man' if if I were you."
Funny thing I was thinking the same.

You not admitting something is not coping on my part. I accused your all glorious sphere of being a coping space and now triggered you are trying to throw it back at me by any means necessary. The equivalent to a child answer to an insult with "No I am not you are!". Such a nice comeback.

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Entitlement is given, not demanded. Good to hear you didn’t demand it from your woman. That would make somethign that we both have in common, despite how different we are. You claim not to show simpish behavior, yet I recall knowing you all this time on this website, you’re mostly catering to women. Not that it strikes me as a surprise since you’ve been raised by a single mother and are married to a feminist. This is not an attack to you, but rather an observation of the kind of behavior that you portray that is very common in people who didn’t grow up with a masculine father (figure) who told them what’s up. Something I’m thankfully blessed to have had.
“Oh now is ambiguous. Backpedaling much?”
- Nobody here is backpeddling other than yourself. Hence why you couldn’t stay away from the logical fallacies. You try to give a definition to a term that at its core IS ambigious. Me saying is ambigious has absolutely NOTHING to do with backpeddling, but rather EDUCATING you on words out there could have different meanings and levels when used in certain contexts. Funny how I’m supposed to be backpeddling while this is your comeback? Irony strikes again.

“I accused your all glorious sphere of being a coping space and now triggered you are trying to throw it back at me by any means necessary. “
- Funny coming from a guy catering to the very group that is hideously notorious for coping and avoiding accountability like the plague. Not to forget to mention that you claim I'm triggered when you're the one who decided to throw shade at the very group that managed to be the very example that destroyed your claim about feminism not as toxic as it is often mentioned to be. And I'm the one who is "triggered" HAHAH. Once again, a hit dog hollers.

Hahah So what’s the next damage control going to be? It seems like you’re running out of invalid arguments.

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@This_Is_My_Opinion8 seeing them for what they are indeed keeps me away from them, just like I stay away from toxic waste.

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@msc545 Don't bother, this guy is known for his simping to women and feminists. The fact he married one speaks for itself.

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@TruthBringer good point. I wonder if she pegs him.

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@msc545 Lmfao you're not the only one who said that. More people think the same thing about this dude. This dude has lost so much individuality that he starts to use the same strategies and namecallings as these feminists to call me out on their posts 😂😂

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@TruthBringer Well - a cuck is just a cuck after all.

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@msc545 I agree. Stay away from toxic waste. But if you literally want to label toxic waste more than half the women population in your country be my guest.

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@TruthBringer Guys on the red pill who say women should never refuse sex to their husbands disagree with you.

Jokes on you I made a Take to cater men. Just let me find it and I will post the link it was on my other account.
Also I have discussed against many women here. Manly the ones that feel superior to us.

No it's not ambiguous. There is only one correct definition, but I understood where you were coming from, what your interpretation was. Even if I have a different one. But when I said this before you didn't said "it's ambiguous". In fact you insulted me and kept on with the argument. Note that we are here both arguing nothing more than semantics like we are discussing the cold war. This makes no sense specially when both of us believe that a partner should have the power to say no. Which is the core of it.

A group that actively fought to have the same responsibilities as men do clearly is not trying to avoid accountability. They know very well what comes that leaving the role of a housewife is a high risk high reward kind of deal.
You are confusing. At no point did my claim that feminism was not toxic was destroyed. This is why I say that your facts are yours alone.
Also yes you were definitely triggered.

None of my arguments is invalid and you can read back all I said it still stands. We are talking in circles right now so I can just go back and copy paste them really. Unless you have some other point you want me to shut down. Again.

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@TruthBringer I feel for my own. Guys, I get why you get frustrated ↗

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@TruthBringer I also made this question.
Is it right to force boys to apologize for their gender? ↗

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Making 1 Take to cater to men isn't going to make you look less like a simp, especially since you also made a take catering to women. And more importantly than that, you're MAINLY catering to women. Funny how you claim to also speak against women's ignorance towards men when I didn't see you argue against users like subarugirl when they make ridiculous claims about men. So ridiculous that other women even called her out on it. Didn't witness you do it. And this was merely an example.

When it comes to the red pill, if you have the slightest knowledge about the red pill, you would know that not every red piller agrees with one another. The red pill isn't a guidedline whether your wife shouldn't refuse to sleep with you. The red pill tells you that a wife shouldn't refuse to sleep with you as a means of CONTROL or isn't fulfilling part of her duty as a wife (which is make sex accessible for her husband). Once again, you're making everything seem like it's all black-white, when life AND the red pill have proven themsevles to have all shades of grey. CONTEXT is extremely important. So whenever a red piller says she shouldn't refuse sex, know the context behind why he says it. Cherry picking quotes isn't a correct may to make a good evaluation.

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Lovely how you claim it's not ambigious when it has proven itself to be ambigious in many contexts. Material entitlement is not the same as kingship entitlement. And that is not the same to entitlement of being served. And that has its differences within entitlement of marriage. This is why LAW is extremely complex and those entering studies for law know the variety of ambiguity ESPECIALLY divorce laws. Where entitlement to who and what need to be defined in detailled. If this shit was as easy as you claim it to be, then courts wouldn't analyse cases and make a judgement based on THAT situation. Again, you've failed to prove your point to why it's not ambigious.

“A group that actively fought to have the same responsibilities as men do clearly is not trying to avoid accountability”
- Stop confusing healthy and old feminism before it got hijacked by marxists that later gave birth to modern feminism. There is a major difference between the two.

“None of my arguments is invalid and you can read back all I said it still stands. “
- No they don’t since they have been dissected by the use of definitions and arguments containing examples from the real world. All you did was say “NO, ITS NOT! WAH!” But if it helps you sleep at night, mate, whatever floats your boat.

“Also yes you were definitely triggered.”
- A hit dog hollers.

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@TruthBringer You don't seem to understand that I am not catering to women. I am simply sharing my own opinions. I have no goal with all of this.
What ridiculous claims did she make about men? I literally just saw her in a question saying men can and should expression their emotions. That women are not turned off by that. How is that bad?

Again!!! I know that some individuals in the red pill are not bad. However, trust me when I read it the guy meant it exactly as I put it.
I agree that men shouldn't let women control them with sex. 100%. In fact I said around many times that we provide sex too! Denying us sex is shooting themselves in the foot while in a relationship. You and I see things in different perspectives but we agree on more than you think. But after you labeled me, oh the great sin a simp, you can never admit that.

It's not ambiguous by definition. But honestly I will just repeat myself at this point. Discussing this any further is honestly stupid.

But that healthy feminism still is around today.

This... "No they don’t since they have been dissected by the use of definitions and arguments containing examples from the real world." You did none of this.

We are clearly going on in circles now.

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@This_Is_My_Opinion8 Just because you believe in what you preach from the bottom of your heart, doesn’t make your comments less of that of a simp. Especially since as I mentioned, you’ve been raised by a single mother and married a FEMINIST. With that being said, you’re exposed to the female side of things more than men’s side and it’s showing. Hence why the manosphere, even healthy communities within it, are too much for you to handle and thus you feel the need to throw shade. Why wouldn’t you if they show anti-modern feminist sentiments that you’re so much exposed to.

When it comes to subarugirl, women called her out just on her ridiculous questions alone and told her to grow up. They have recognized a victimhood mindset that she tries to portray onto men. Other times she likes using the buzz term “toxic masculinity” (which in itself has been debunked) in a way to shame men for surpressed feelings and shoving the blame to them while neglecting an entire dynamic within society that deeply involves women. She got called out on that and started to backpeddle after she realized she started to lose face. So on one hand she tries to virtue signal and on the other she blames the same group she is virtue signaling for. Classic contradiction.
Demanding sex in a way of being a tyrant is never okay. When married people take their vows, they didn’t sign their basic human rights away. They did however give each other rights and privileges which ONLY THEY are ENTITLED to have. Mate, it’s dead obvious you don’t know the meaning of entitlement and are desperately trying to impose your own interpretation when the definition is clear as day and night.

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“It's not ambiguous by definition. “
- Yes it is. If a term can be used within various contexts and situations that would mold the term depending on those contexts and situations, that means it’s ambiguous. This is why every contract or terms & agreements are very detailed in regards to that specific context. Example: when I sign a contract for a job, I’m entitled to certain things. Those things are different than the things I’m entitled to when I sign a marriage contract.

“This... "No they don’t since they have been dissected by the use of definitions and arguments containing examples from the real world." You did none of this.”
- I literally did all that time and just did it again. You however, are just claiming I’m wrong without extensive elaboration. Claiming I'm wrong without proper elaboration won't debunk anything the other person said.

Once again. Try harder.

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@TruthBringer Saying what you firmly believe in, your genuine opinion, makes you a simp just because it's not red pilled? Not surprised.

Trust me I know very well what hardships men face. Is not because I was raised by a single mother that I don't and I agree that men don't have half the social support that they need. But if you ask a feminist like my wife, they will be in favor of giving men that support. Like they have given me. Believe it or not I haver zero anti men sentiments or beliefs.
I already told you I know members of the sphere have good reasons to seek out. I believe it was created with the best intentions! But, just like you believe regarding feminism, to me it was overtaken by a bunch of angry egocentric control freaks.

I saw your conversation with her on toxic masculinity. At any point she said anything shaming men in general. In fact this was the second thing she said:
" no not at all. Being told that you cannot express your emotions with out being seen as weakness. That kind of emotional repression is extremely damaging."
How do you see this as a bad thing I don't understand. She is telling men is fine to have emotions. She is not shaming men who chose not to do it. She is telling that if they want they can. That is not a weakness.
Isn't this none of the topics of the sphere? Men's mental health?

I am not going to duel on the entitlement argument anymore. We both understand what the other thinks, we both already exposed our points and this is taking nowhere.

But I have given further elaboration along this conversation. What am I going to do repeat it all again? I could try harder and indeed repeat myself, but honestly I don't see the point. Want to know my response? Scroll up.

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“Saying what you firmly believe in, your genuine opinion, makes you a simp just because it's not red pilled? Not surprised.”
- Never said you have to be a red pilled dude in order not to be a simp. I already explained why you’re coming off as one. Read my comment again. You’ve once again proven that you’re incapable to think outside a binary mindset. Not everything is black and white, but seems like that’s concept of reality is quite hard for you to grasp.

“How do you see this as a bad thing I don't understand. She is telling men is fine to have emotions. “
- It seems you missed her gas lighting attempt at the very beginning which she got called out for. She blamed “toxic masculinity” for the suppressed emotions of men while neglecting the crucial play of society in its general and that of WOMEN that lead to that suppressed emotions. Either you’re incapable of reading properly or you’re turning a blind eye to the obvious gas lighting that was happening.

“She is not shaming men who chose not to do it. She is telling that if they want they can. That is not a weakness.”
- Yeah right after she blamed men and “toxic masculinity” while once again neglecting women’s crucial role in men’s suppressed emotions. Jesus Christ...

“Isn't this none of the topics of the sphere? Men's mental health?”
- This is utmost priority in the sphere and it is shown in many different ways. Some groups advocate to let women go entirely, others preach never to marry, others advocate for men to better themselves and learn female nature (red pill) and others are out there mainly hating on women. But of course people only like to focus on the latter. The manosphere is the obvious response and the only thing defending men and their mental health against the dangers of today's toxic feminism that slithered its way into our day to day lives such as politics.

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@TruthBringer If you said that I was coming off as one, than I misread. My bad.

You never heard men calling another a pussy if he isn't tough? Or any variant of that? I have been asked what kind of man I am because I don't like to watch football. This shaming comes primarily from men. Women do it too for sure, but in a much smaller scale. Just look around that question who was saying that men should never show emotions? Guys. Who was saying that we can? Girls.
This is why she blames men and toxic masculinity. Toxic masculinity being the exaggeration of "manly" behavior to the point it becomes a problem yourself and others.

"once again neglecting women’s crucial role in men’s suppressed emotions". Many guys on that question were saying, don't show emotions because women don't like it. But women were saying they do. Something doesn't add up here. Either they are lying, or men have that wrong idea that came from... you guessed it, places like the sphere.
Let me clear. I am sure guys were dumped for showing emotions. But this is a snowball. Let's say you are a boy, with no luck with girls. You are frustrated because you don't understand why. You encounter the sphere. You see many guys saying "don't show emotions because they will never love you otherwise!" You will believe it. Than live with that belief.
The sphere doesn't say "it happen to me and others here, but doesn't make it a law". That's what I don't like about it. It does make it a law and spreads wrong info that actively harm others future dating lives. How does that help anyone?

I will be honest, I don't like either one except for the self improvement one. That one I took too and support it 100%. The other ones I don't get. Why so afraid of marriage, why so afraid of relationships? Honestly why?
As far as support groups for men I prefer the MRA.

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@This_Is_My_Opinion8 Gee, I don't know why. Maybe #metoo, divorce rape, and false accusations? I think you will get to experience some or all of these things eventually.

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Of course there are men who shame each other and tell each other to toughen up. That’s been the case for millenas. Did you ask yourself what the basic reason behind it is? Gender role. Why? In order to provide and protect. It goes back to our biology. To whom should the provision and protection be? For the WOMAN and children. Same reason why women are notorious for slut-shaming other girls more than men do. Because they know that in general, men in their biology do not like sluts. At the same time, a man who is all in his feels will feel the consequences in dating, regardless if he didn’t get criticized by men.
This is what subarugirl FAILS to realize. That she is so keen on blaming men and toxic masculinity, that she completely neglected a major role of toxic femininity that plays a role with men’s suppressed emotions (as well as slut-shaming and sabotaging the reputation of other women). So she ended up backpeddling as soon as she realized she fucked up as people called her out on her shit. It’s obvious that her animosity was the primary motivator to her comments right before she tried to virtue signal as a means of damage control.

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“Many guys on that question were saying, don't show emotions because women don't like it. But women were saying they do.”
- Boy, oh boy oh boy. My dear friend. You have A LOT to learn about women so it seems. You seriously take women’s words at account here? If there is 1 VERY CRUCIAL lesson I have learned about women is to never take their word, but rather look at their actions. Women are notorious for saying they want A, but end up going for B. Now, that doesn’t necessarity mean that they are lying. Not deliberately anyway. Often, they do not want to admit to themselves. Or perhaps KNOW they are describing what they should be thinking or feeling attraction to. Hence why the VERY NOTORIOUS stigma of women chasing bad boys and friendzoning the nice guys. Despite women claiming they want a nice guy. If this sounds foreign to you, then you most definitely are living in a cave. ONLY believe their words when their actions back them up. So in that post, you see women claiming “not me, I like it when a man shows emotions”.

Which leads to me this : “I am not like other women” – every woman.

“That's what I don't like about it. It does make it a law and spreads wrong info that actively harm others future dating lives. “
- If something happens enough, then it will automatically become the rule itself. There is 1 very important aspect you seem not to have figured out about the manosphere. And that is because men get drawn towards it because they have an affinity to it. They found the answers to their frustrations and questions. They get drawn to it because it MATCHES their experiences.

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“How does that help anyone?”
- When did a woman telling a man to show emotions, be vulnerable , shower his date with fowers and compliments works for men in general? If the manosphere is so “wrong” as you desperately try to imply it is, then it wouldn’t be growing bigger and bigger with men from various countries, backgrounds, faiths and belief.
- Funny that you speak about self-improvement when many self-improvement books that don’t resort to shaming the other gender are very much in tune with the lessons from the manosphere (like red pill).

“The other ones I don't get. Why so afraid of marriage, why so afraid of relationships? Honestly why?”
- And here you are telling me that you know the red pill or the manosphere. If you did, then you wouldn’t be asking this question as the topic of marriage is very much talked about. Now I’m very certain you are criticizing a sphere you know exposed yourself to know very little about, apparently. Because if you did indulge, then it will be VERY uncomfortable for you as you’re going to be met with facts, often supported by stats and arguments that you are very not used to hear.

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@msc545 O literally couldn't be less afraid of any of that than I am.
All of those are rare occurrences. No reason to be afraid of relationships.

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@TruthBringer To toughen up? No one actually shames others to "help" them. They do it because they enjoy it and are bad people.
Even when we were living in caves women were scavengers that brought in most our food. We were fighting things bigger than today's elephants with rocks and sticks, meat was rare before we became sedentary and began to raise cattle.
It's not in our biology to like or dislike sluts, that's a social construct like many others.
I invite you to see this:

https://youtu.be/szf4hzQ5ztg

I know he looks very feminine, but he knows his stuff. He is an actual biologist and you will quickly see he knows what he is talking about. He made amazing videos calling out BS creationists made. Take a look promise is very interesting.

I did not read your entire conversation with her. But I agree with you that women do play a role on the idea that we can't share our emotions. But men shame other men much more for that, and unlike what you say, is not to help them. It's out of a superiority complex. Women are the ones also saying that we can do it. They are the ones actually helping.

"You seriously take women’s words at account here?"
Yes. Simple as that. Yes I do. What do you think they are? All brain dead babies that don't know what they want, all a bunch of liars or both?
You can tell what you want right? So can they.
You had experiences dealing with different things and people that helped you see what they want right? Same to them.
Not knowing what they want is another stereotype spread by groups like the sphere.

Women want a nice guy. But they don't want a man with no backbone and charisma. I don't know a single nice guy with good social skills that is single. Very rare.

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@TruthBringer What's the place called? Manosphere. People there are men. They claim to be the manliest of men. With the best woman knowledge.
-"Are you a man? Have you ever seen this happen?"
- "What?"
-"This big stereotype that is false, but half the male population believes it. The same way everyone believe that lions live in the jungle"
-"Oh yes I see that all the time! I have seen lion on the TV I am sure they were in the jungle"
I am sure you understood the point.

"When did a woman telling a man to show emotions, be vulnerable , shower his date with fowers and compliments works for men in general?"
SINCE EVER! Those groups are a big fly trap for confused dudes buzzing around who have no idea what that are doing wrong They are an easy way out to make sense of their failures. That's why they are more popular. But in my friends groups I already asked them of they knew what mgtow, red pill and what not was. They had no idea.

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@TruthBringer Oh I know the topic is talked about a lot but... Here we have a great example!
They love to say that women are responsible for 70% of divorces. And they love to say that 50% of marriages fail.
What I never heard them say is that, with those two facts, the odds your wife will divorce you are 35%. And the odds you will are 15%. But to say 70-30 is so much more scary than saying 35-15.
So no I don't get why the fear.

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“It's not in our biology to like or dislike sluts, that's a social construct like many others.”
- Oh yes it is. Because unlike back in the day where we didn’t have DNA tests, a woman who is known to sleep around with multiple men is a turn off to other men because they don’t want to end up raising another man’s child. Calling it a social construct while neglecting a biological explanation is just being ignorant. I will watch that video, but not now. Not in the mood to watch a 30 min video.

“Women are the ones also saying that we can do it. They are the ones actually helping.”
- Yes, out of political correctness. Women often give dating advice to men that funny enough does not always work. While places like the manosphere actually manage to bring some enlightenment and actual advice to men (one of the reasons why I’ve been quite successful with dating and getting girls into bed). Sure women do have that sense of care more than men in general, but to say that men only tell each other to toughen up out of a superiority complex shows the brainwashing that has been done by feminist sources. If the manosphere in particular (or lets say red pill to be more specific) didn’t help men, then men would have nothing to do with it. If feminism truly did help both genders, then a lot more men would lean towards it, but you and I know VERY WELL that men scatter from feminism like an oil drop meeting water.

“Simple as that. Yes I do. What do you think they are? All brain dead babies that don't know what they want, all a bunch of liars or both?”
- You clearly missed the part where I mentioned they don’t lie on purpose or that they actually aren’t lying, but rather often do not know what they want or think they want A, but actually go for B, but still say A. No I do not believe them. Especially since often what they say contradict their actual actions and beliefs.

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“It's not in our biology to like or dislike sluts, that's a social construct like many others.”
- Oh yes it is. Because unlike back in the day where we didn’t have DNA tests, a woman who is known to sleep around with multiple men is a turn off to other men because they don’t want to end up raising another man’s child. Calling it a social construct while neglecting a biological explanation is just being ignorant.

“Women are the ones also saying that we can do it. They are the ones actually helping.”
- Yes, out of political correctness. Women often give dating advice to men that funny enough does not always work. While places like the manosphere actually manage to bring some enlightenment and actual advice to men (one of the reasons why I’ve been quite successful with dating and getting girls into bed). Sure women do have that sense of care more than men in general, but to say that men only tell each other to toughen up out of a superiority complex shows the brainwashing that has been done by feminist sources. If the manosphere in particular (or lets say red pill to be more specific) didn’t help men, then men would have nothing to do with it. If feminism truly did help both genders, then a lot more men would lean towards it, but you and I know VERY WELL that men scatter from feminism like an oil drop meeting water.

“Simple as that. Yes I do. What do you think they are? All brain dead babies that don't know what they want, all a bunch of liars or both?”
- You clearly missed the part where I mentioned they don’t lie on purpose or that they actually aren’t lying, but rather often do not know what they want or think they want A, but actually go for B, but still say A. No I do not believe them. Especially since often what they say contradict their actual actions and beliefs.

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“Not knowing what they want is another stereotype spread by groups like the sphere.”
- Another cope. If women did communicate their desires accurately, then the sphere wouldn’t even be given ammunition. A basic example: If women truly did want nice guys, then this whole “nice guys finish last” stigma and meme (which is very known OUTSIDE of the sphere) would not be a thing. Guys wouldn’t be complaining about the friendzone they ended up in, despite following female advice. Wishful thinking isn’t truly doing you well, mate.

“But they don't want a man with no backbone and charisma.”
- Indeed, they want a STRONG man who is tough but still knows how to be nice and tough when necessary. But often, this is left out, ending up misleading so many dudes out there.
“Those groups are a big fly trap for confused dudes buzzing around who have no idea what that are doing wrong They are an easy way out to make sense of their failures. “

- Who said the manosphere is perfect? A while back I clearly mentioned there are a lot of mixed opinions within this group. As I said, you clearly have little knowledge about the group, let alone red pill. Because there are some content creators as well as figures like Rollo Tomassi who hit the nail right on the head and actually help men (one of the reasons why I managed to be successful in the fields they teach). So because your friends don’t know anything about red pill or mgtow or whatever, that should reflect badly on those groups? I have friends who never heard of them either, does that mean I should give up on red pill believes? Especially since they have helped me tremendously? Lmfao

[TruthBringer]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8

“So no I don't get why the fear.” And in what way is it not relevant that the majority of marriages are initiated by the wife and that 50% of marriages fail, while keeping in mind the severe consequences in countries like the US impose on the MAN after a divorce had been filed? The fact that these numbers are this high is quite disturbing. Especially since we see a major decline in successful marriages compared to generations before. The odds of 35% over 15% is still giving them more ammunition considering women are the ones who seem to give up on the marriage faster than the man. Does that mean they never had a good reason? Of course not. It is something to keep in mind when trying to go that path. And many men choose not to do it considering the way society is today as well as women with actual dignity and self-respect (with traditional values) are a rare case. That didn’t stop me personally from seeking it nonetheless.

In any way, you should go ask them directly as I'm not the one preaching this stuff as much as they are.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@TruthBringer That makes no sense. You meet her. She doesn't have kids. Her kid if she stays with you will be yours. Doesn't matter how many men she had, as long as she is loyal it will be yours. Also "Not wanting to raise another's men child" is not in our DNA. We have adoption we have step fathers. Are they all freaks of nature? Not raising another men's child is a conscious decision, not a biological drive. But feel free to give the research for this and prove me wrong.

It is kinda long, but trust me it has what you need to know.

No they are saying it because they genuinely feel it. You really think girls here on gag have any incentive to be politically correct? Come on.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@TruthBringer Do you know when in my life I did best with girls? After an advice from a guy friend. Two things that you need to get laid at night. "I don't give a fuck mindset" and big numbers law. As long as you have the right mindset and shoot your shot enough eventually some girl will fall for you words. This works a lot better than what it sounds and I am living proof of it, because that "eventually" was never very long. This is all the knowledge a guy needs to get laid no need to play games, to be super manly bla bla bla. No need.

Don't be naive. To say that guys actually shame and bully others with good intentions is just naive. I will say the same thing about girls. Everyone. They don't do it to give any sort of help.

"they don’t lie on purpose or that they actually aren’t lying,"
So you just think they are that mentally inept? That is you passing them a ID card with the name "Stupid" to all of them. Again what do you think they are? They are far more social perceptive than we are. They know what works

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@TruthBringer Stereotyping is all the ammunition the sphere needs and mostly uses. Hell I have seem them use scenes from movies as "proof".
"Nice guys" aren't really nice guys finish last. Again a nice guys with good social skills doesn't have an issue getting a partner.

Trust me I have seen enough of their videos and social media accounts to know how they are.
It just means that those groups are known online, but are not that famous. At least much MUCH less than MRA and feminism.

But the 35-15 also says that women begin most divorces. But in a attempt to "shock" you will never see them use these numbers even if they mean the same.
And while it does give them an ammunition, it's a slingshot not a bazooka like they talk about. That's is why I don't get why be afraid of marriage.
People are marrying less, but still a lot. Words from a man who married two years ago and had his sister marry last year. Many places were booked for a long time with waiting lists already.

[TruthBringer]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8

“That makes no sense. You meet her. She doesn't have kids. Her kid if she stays with you will be yours. Doesn't matter how many men she had, as long as she is loyal it will be yours. “
- *Facepalm* You seriously missed the point, didn’t you? Read again but more carefully this time. The only reason why it doesn’t make sense is because you completely misunderstood my point.

“Also "Not wanting to raise another's men child" is not in our DNA.”
- And yet the majority of people have kids of their own rather than adopt kids. If this were not the case, then adoption clinics would be ‘out of business’. I don’t like to bring the animal kingdom in this matter, but kids of another male animal gets killed by the dominating one, because they aren’t his kids. Now humans may not be this ruthless, at the same time, the same principle applies.

“Are they all freaks of nature? “
- Strawman argument. Invalid.

“Not raising another men's child is a conscious decision, not a biological drive. “
- Exactly, because men themselves do not want to raise another man’s child. They rather have their own. The biological explanation is that men want to further their genes into the gene pool. And by raising another man’s child means furthering another man’s genes into the pool. And conscious standards are derived from this. You can deny this all you want, because it causes a severe cognitive dissonance, but it won’t change the reality of the matter, regardless of how much you CRY about it.

“No they are saying it because they genuinely feel it. You really think girls here on gag have any incentive to be politically correct?”
- Many of them do and many of them DO believe in what they say. You clearly keep missing the point. It is what they DO that overshadows what they SAY. When a woman tells you she likes A-type of men (which happens SO MANY TIMES), but you see her always going after the B-type, will you still take her word? Common sense. Ever heard of it?

[TruthBringer]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8

“Two things that you need to get laid at night. "I don't give a fuck mindset" and big numbers law. As long as you have the right mindset and shoot your shot enough eventually some girl will fall for you words”
- Exactly. Glad to see that you have at least some good knowledge that the red pill also happens to preach.

“Don't be naive. To say that guys actually shame and bully others with good intentions is just naive.”
- You clearly are NOT reading what I’m saying as I have already acknowledged that buys bullying other guys is not out of good intentions. I literally said this myself. I simply am pointing out that you shouldn’t imply that buys “bully” each other only for the sake of bringing another person down. Plenty of men who uplift each other and plenty of men (even in my experience) shit on each other because they themselves are pieces of insecure shits. So they bring others down in order to make themselves feel better. And yes, this same dynamic is also notorious within women. Humanity is to blame for this. However, miss subarugirl likes to shove blame at men and “toxic masculinity”. When it goes BEYOND that. THAT was the entire point why she got shat on by other users and myself. To a point she realized she fucked up and started to virtue signal. Get it? Or do I have to repeat this explanation a million times more?

[TruthBringer]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8

“So you just think they are that mentally inept? That is you passing them a ID card with the name "Stupid" to all of them. “
- In many cases, they are not aware of their own mentality. That doesn’t necessarily make them stupid creatures. It means they do not know how to communicate their wishes properly. ESPECIALLY since they do not want to say anything politically incorrect and risk losing face. Women are VERY serious about how others perceive them. So they rather give some politically correct answer that other people consider “acceptable” than to speak their minds correctly. In many cases, they also do not know what they themselves want. So they think they want A, but always end up falling for B, even if they do not like that idea on an intellectual level. Your manipulation attempt of framing me failed. Try again.

“Stereotyping is all the ammunition the sphere needs and mostly uses.”
- Generalization especially in topics such as this one is often the best way to speak about a broad audience. You take the most common aspects of a group and make a generalization based on that group, despite there are always exceptions to the rule. Not every generalization is good and neither is every generalization is bad.

For example: An Islamophobe who claims Muslims in general are terrorists cannot be further from the truth. Why? Because the majority of Muslims are NOT terrorists and neither do they have any of those sentiments. But to say men in general are heterosexual is also a generalization, but since this applies to the majority, it is safe to say such thing, despite there are a bunch of homosexuals and other non-heterosexual type of men out there.

[TruthBringer]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8

So yes, the sphere does generalize a lot. Hence why you should pick the information carefully and see if that information applies to the women you deal with. They are not wrong about women wanting strong men with some stoicism. Because we can clearly see that the emotional man who is all in his feels is often excluded from sexual encounters or a relationship. One of the reasons why men generally do not want to show emotions.
Who said anything about needing to be famous? There are books out there and the same message is being spread in multiple ways by a variety of people, even those outside of the sphere. If you think it’s about the preacher and not the message, then you obviously do not understand why the sphere exists. I never knew anything about it either, yet I still managed to get discover the red pill and make use of it. Despite it’s mostly known in the US.

“But in a attempt to "shock" you will never see them use these numbers even if they mean the same.”
- I’ve seen them use many types of studies to discuss this topic. The 70% of divorces initiated by women as well as 50% of divorces occuring is actually more relevant compared to the odds. The confirmed numbers that show the overal picture of what has happened and is happening is more relevant to the estimated numbers that describe odds.
Most fair of marriage is not the commitment. It’s the laws that are incredibly harsh on men when a divorce happens. As far as I know, it is not as “strict” in my country as in the US. Until you truly understand the laws there and the numbers, you can understand why so many do not want to start something that can cause them much pain in the future. I’m just glad not to be a US citizen. I’m open for marriage, and like every marriage, it should only be done if you’re VERY confident about your partner and relationship, regardless of what country or law you’re in.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@TruthBringer You literally said a women with many partners is a turn off because men don't want to end up raising another men's child. And that is biological.
First monogamy is relatively recent, if we count out most ancient relatives. So there goes "it's in our biology" thing. Second unless you are implying she is with a lot of men while she is with her partner I don't see your point.

False. For example, lions often have two alpha lions on the pride. Being two makes sure they have a better chance of scaring off a potential challenge that appears to take their place. This is not that uncommon. And they do indeed raise both children. Gorilas also raise another's men's offspring all the time. Those ones os literally all the time, even the alpha does it. From mammals to birds, many species do this.

No no honest question. They are no freaks of nature are they? So why does it happen? If there is a biological drive that should never happen. But it does.

People prefer to have children of their own. Sure they do. But remember what the argument is here. You said there is a biological drive to not raise another men's children. Perfering to have your own doesn't prove that it's a biological drive.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@TruthBringer "Many of them do and many of them DO believe in what they say". Says who? Simple question. What prove do you have of this?

But I see them going for what they say they want! All the damn time!

Please the red pill preaches that being yourself and putting yourself out there is not enough. It's the opposite of what I said.

"I simply am pointing out that you shouldn’t imply that buys “bully” each other only for the sake of bringing another person down."
And why shouldn't I? Literally what reason do I have to believe anything else? You probably agree info doing things that address how things usually work. Well usually we don't do it to uplift our brothers.
Same way women don't slut shame others because they want to help them. They do it because they want to erase competition.

"-In many cases, they are not aware of their own mentality." Red pill BS. Notice this...
To you they are either not conscious of what they want or they are lying out of political correctness. This why I can't take you guys seriously. It's always on them. Always, never on you. The problem was never that you were not who she wanted. Oh no no no. She is a women who is biologically programmed to hate me because I showed weakness. Never EVER is your fault and the coping mechanisms to push the blame away is always fantastic.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

@TruthBringer Generalization, can be wrong. A stereotype is a generalization that comes from popular believes. It can be tremendously wrong.

"see if that information applies to the women you deal with."
With this I agree. We must all know what bad people exist and we should look out for them.

The excessively emotional men is cast out. But so is the excessively emotional women. Come on you know they are. The ones that cry over nothing?

But the 35-15 percentage mean the exact same thing as the 70-30 and the 50% chance of success. No more no less. But the numbers are smaller. Less impact.
About divorce. The law is not as harsh on men in the US as we think. In 51% of divorces involving a child both parents agree from the start the child should stay with the mother. Meaning fathers only fight for their kids 49% of divorces. They win around 23% of the time. So out of 49%, they win 23%. Almost half when they actually fought for their children.
DO YOU KNOW WHO IS TO BLAME FOR THIS? STEREOTYPES. People's belief that mothers are biologically better parents. So much so that father's believe that children will be better off with the mother and not them just because they are men. The biological believes you have from the sphere are very wrong and hurt men left and right.
I agree completely with the last sentence you said.

[TruthBringer]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8

A woman who sleeps with many partners is a turn off because these men do not want to risk ending up raising a child not their own. So they would rather be with a woman who is not promiscuous. Just because you may like a woman who has a promiscuous past, doesn’t mean the rest of us do. Plenty of men who find it a turn off without society needing to teach them to frown upon it.

“Wild male lions will also typically chase off any male cubs when they grow up to ensure they are alone with the pride lionesses. Sometimes the lions will kill cubs - usually when they take over new territory from another pride - to stake their claim on the females.” – BBC. com
So there goes your attempt to debunk what I said. You think it’s a coincidence that the Lion King pretty much portrays this?

“ You said there is a biological drive to not raise another men's children. Perfering to have your own doesn't prove that it's a biological drive.”
- Funny, and yet we see animals fight each other off or to the death to mate with the female. And you’re trying to fabricate a new fact that men do not have a biological drive to spread their OWN seed to further their own genes in the gene pool. Jesus Fucking Christ... The denial of the obvious is strong in this one.

“Says who? Simple question. What prove do you have of this?”
- The proof is in the pudding. The proof is in society. The proof is in the statistics that show that men raised by single mothers are more often having issues in life including their their love lives. The proof is in men’s frustration that they do not understand women and that they get confused by what women say and what women mean/do. But by all means, keep remaining in denial. The fact you’re asking me this is further proof to why you do not have proper knowledge about the manosphere and why its growing so rapidly.

[TruthBringer]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8

“But I see them going for what they say they want! All the damn time!”
- Not the rest of men. They often see them talk about prince charming but go with some junk or bad boy. Using yourself is anecdotal and therefore an exception that could not be applied to the rule.

“Please the red pill preaches that being yourself and putting yourself out there is not enough. It's the opposite of what I said.”
- Thanks for confirming my already strong feeling that you do not know jack shit about the red pill. The red pill teaches a man to focus on self-improvement above all. And women is only an extra and therefore seen as not a priority in the quest of a man’s life. Why do you think black pillers hate the red pill so much? Because the red pill tells them to improve when black pillers just want to blame an entire gender in order not to try.

“Well usually we don't do it to uplift our brothers.”
- Yeah and therefore you stay the fuck away from those people. And stick to people who are willing to give you some harsh reality and criticism but out of good will. That’s why I surround myself with realistic and positive dudes. Tough love can do more wonder than you might think. Hence why the military adapts this religiously.

“Always, never on you. “
- So it is our fault that a woman contradicts her words? So it’s on us that we observed this behavior?

“She is a women who is biologically programmed to hate me because I showed weakness.”
- Pathetic strawman argument right there. Running out of arguments, mate? Funny you say this when I actually did meet women like Wowwgirl who isn’t scared to admit she likes bad boys. Can’t say the same about many other women out there. But by all means, do rage on because the cognitive dissonance is starting to weigh on you.

“Never EVER is your fault and the coping mechanisms to push the blame away is always fantastic.”
- Coming from the dude who pulled a massive strawman. Next.

[TruthBringer]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8

“Generalization, can be wrong. A stereotype is a generalization that comes from popular believes. It can be tremendously wrong.”
- Thanks for literally repeating my argument, Sherlock. Obviously not reading, are we?

“But so is the excessively emotional women. Come on you know they are.”
- And this is what we call a red herring fallacy. We aren’t talking about excessibely emotional people here. We are talking about emotional. Women are generally more emotional than men in terms of expression. And men have accepted that. They don’t claim not to want an emotional woman and then end up with one. We do see women claim they want men who can express emotions, yet funny enough they often get turned off by them. I’ve experienced this myself in my previous relationship a while back (prior to the red pill) as well as that of other people I know. And the fact that people on the internet AND my in places of work or study talk about this only validates that which I already have said. That women claim they want nice guy who isn’t scared to show his feelings, and yet they ditch or lose attraction when the guy does it. Not that I expect you to open your eyes and ears to these things considering you grew up and till this day are mostly exposed to women and their perception of the world.

If 70% of divorces are initaited by women and 50% of all marriages fail. Then this is pretty much the golden standard to look out for when you want an overview of the situation. If I’m going to walk in a jungle that told me half the people die, then I couldn’t give a rat’s ass about odd percentages. The point is that I got a 50-50 chance of dying.

[TruthBringer]

@This_Is_My_Opinion8

“The law is not as harsh on men in the US as we think.” – Coming from someone claiming to know the red pill. Another piece of evidence you do not know. If the law was oh so generous, then the manosphere would have no ground to stand on in regards to this topic. You’ve literally come with stats that show how harsh the law is against men in regards of having custody of their kids. And yet you’re telling me that “its not so bad as we think”. Try not to contradict yourself next time.
“The biological believes you have from the sphere are very wrong and hurt men left and right.”
- This information was already available to me prior to me discovering the manosphere. The manosphere only provided me with more arguments that strengthened my belief.

Anyway, I think I had enough of this useless talk. It’s obvious you’re talking on matters of the red pill that you have no knowledge of. All I was met with are wishful thinking and a bunch of logical fallacies. I’ll leave the last word to you since you’re clearly so desperate to have it. I honestly got tired of this discussion as nothing productive is coming from it. So at this point it is an utter waste of my time. here as there is nothing productive coming from this discussion. So I won’t be reading whatever you’re sending next. You stick to your wishful thinking and pro-feminist views and I’ll stick to my views that are based on some cold realism. I’m going to enjoy my weekend traveling with my girl and my family and prepare for my next flight schedule. Have a good one ;)

[cookiecrusher]

As a woman🤣

Just say hi and talk to her, if she likes you it doesn't really matter how. Just be a decent human.

And if she doesn't like you, then you never had a chance to get out of there with your life😗

[SpiderManFan2002]

I’d just say “hi” like I would with any other person lol

[libsaretards]

I would approach her with both middle fingers in the air.

[60minman]

No different than I would any other woman. Approach them with a down to earth combination of respect and confidence.

[Pillarofhell]

Confidence in?

[60minman]

Confidence in myself... which includes being respectful to her. No reason to cater to her... that just belittles both of you. She deserves the true you... win or lose.

[bamesjond0069]

You dont. Thats how you get accused of sexual harassment. Lmao.

[007kingifrit]

i wouldn't. they are never happy and you can't fix them. don't bother

[Anonymous]

Dude, if you knowingly try to get involved with a feminist, you'll deserve everything you get.

[Anonymous]

What kind of moron wants to approach a woman HE ALREADY KNOWS is a feminist?

[Mister_Hangry]

RUN. RUS AS FAST AS YOU CAN HUMANLY CAN, AWAY FROM FEMINISTS. THEY WILL DESTROY YOU.

[Anonymous]

Grab that booty pick her up and take her to the sheets

[Shamalien]

Two words

you don’t. Run.

[zagor]

How do you know she's a feminist?

[ManHater]

With a whip and a tazer.

[This_Is_My_Opinion8]

My wife is a feminist. She approached me.

[PardontheMasculinity]

Approach a real woman instead

[Pillarofhell]

She's charming

[PardontheMasculinity]

Well then go with your heart

[CubaPirate]

I just wouldn't bother

[Neko_Nya]

Don't

[Pillarofhell]

Why not

[Gwenhwyfar]

Politely

[Dchrls78104]

I wouldn't.

[joeldalton]

with a cross

[ikEVERYTHING]

I wouldn't

[888theGreat]

with a can of raid

[EnglishEuropean]

I wouldn't bother.

[Anonymous]

YA DONT

[postaldudePL123]

I won't!

[Anonymous]

With a weapon