Ladies, would you rather be treated like a princess, or an equal?

[ariadneR]

[Lliam]

I respect smart, plucky, happy, hard working women who are determined to make their ways in the world. I treat them as equals in everything but size and strength.

But I do have to say that I love the lady-gentleman game in which she makes me feel like a man by allowing me treating her at times like a delicate princess. I like opening doors and letting her go first. I like it when when she places her little hand trustingly in mine as if I make her feel safe and secure. I like being able to open jars, reach high objects, lift and carry heavy objects, build and repair things. I love that she is turned on by my masculinity and her own femininity.

So, there are times when I adore her as a beautiful princess, a girly girl, or a tender flower, but I still respect her as an equal in everything but sexual dimorphism.

I don't see how a relationship could survive if two people didn't see each other as equal members of a team who work together for their mutual benefit.

[MCheetah]

No woman in modern history wants to be an "equal" in a relationship. Women want "a provider" to wine and dine her while pretending she's doing equal contributions to the relationship when the man is doing almost everything for her benefit. The minute you become an actual "equal" to a woman in a relationship, she starts seeing you as weak/a soyboy and loses all respect for you. Don't EVER for a second, think women want actual "equality" in relationships. Hypergamy exists for a reason and women don't date less-earning or shorter men unless they're temporary rebound guys for her until she finds someone she actually wants to be with.

[Red-Blaze]

I get if you had some really bad experiences
But honestly that is some huge generalizing going right here

[USLegionary]

@MCheetah exactly right. Equality up until the bill comes.

[MCheetah]

@Red-Blaze
I'm a straight man. I'm pretty sure I've had more experience dating and dealing with women than you have. Sorry-not-sorry you think me telling the truth is a "generalization."

[Red-Blaze]

You speak a lie you made in your own head nothing more
I am a woman and unlike almighty you I was able to track a woman from every step of her life and still do
So I can tell you that you deciding everyone are the same is BS and that your option at least to one is completely faulty
And your off as a woman I deal with a woman more then you 100% :)

Also.. like I said, just because you had a bad experience don't tell you the story of the entire world

[MCheetah]

@Red-Blaze
I asked, how many women do you date and deal with in relationships. Especially as a man. I also literally said that women do what you're doing all the time in relationships.

"while pretending she's doing equal contributions to the relationship when the man is doing almost everything for her benefit."

Next you're going to tell me you're willing to date a man six inches shorter than you, who doesn't have a job, who you financially support. Cause that's what the majority of men did for CENTURIES for women and they were called "equal relationships" cause that's what "men were supposed to do." But sure; you're completely fine with "equality" and financially supporting a man who is shorter than you and expects you to fully pay for him on dates.

[Red-Blaze]

@MCheetah
If he expect that then likely no, I don't date assholes same as I will not expect a man to date an asshole
What do you know about what I do in a relationship? nothing you make it clear you don't know me

And yes, I totally date someone like that if I got a reason to do so, I mean if he can make me happy, make me laugh with his jokes, if he loves me as I may love him, then I will totally do that
But no, he should not be expecting it because its the time we live in

I may not go out with someone like that because they don't sound like someone that want to try to even do something and just expects
But if lets say his poor because his an artist putting anything into his passion then ya Completely love that and be more then glad to help if I can in are relationship

[MCheetah]

@Red-Blaze
But this is what men are expected to do all the time. And yet you're saying you wouldn't do this for a man. So then you don't want an "equal" relationship; you want a man to be traditional, while you get to be modern. "My money is my money, but your money is our money."

Even *if* what you're saying is true (and by your own admission, it is not), most women do not want to put in equal work in a relationship. They want a man to "provide" everything for them.

So assuming you are willing to put in 50% of the work in a relationship (which again, you imply you do not, because a man who doesn't do more work for you and all the traditional "man stuff" is "an asshole" as you put it), most women do not and will not.

[Red-Blaze]

Please reread with out the your vision glasses on
I said someone that expects like its obvious that they should be fully paid when from what I understand from you they basically do not try is an asshole and not talking about days be gone but this days

I also said if there is a reason for them to not be able to afford that is fine
And expected by who? man like your self? woman that are able and should pay for there own things this days, socially? that should change to be more eqreal for both sides

I never admitted to what you say I did, you just pick to read it in a way that fits your nerative that is not me or reality
And most is not all, so hey.. we moving somewhere :) welcome to the years of change, please leave black tinted glasses at the doors, and be ready for changes that are going to happen along the ride

[MCheetah]

@Red-Blaze
You misunderstand me. I am not against equal relationships. I am just saying, beyond all the lies, WOMEN don't want "equal relationships." *Maybe* you are one of the few women on the planet who doesn't expect a man to kiss her ass but not admit it out loud. I am saying, MOST WOMEN ON EARTH expect men to kiss her ass, wine and dine her, and pamper and spoil her, because "this is what men are supposed to do" and we've had most centuries throughout human history, where it was a man's job to take care of women cause they are the birth-givers and the more "important" gender because of it. I'm all for women putting in equal work in relationships and not having a high paying job and still expecting men to pay for her on dates. I'm just saying, most women don't actually want this and most (smart) men will tell you they don't.

[Red-Blaze]

@MCheetah I don't think we all that few
I do have friends that are absolutely assholes about man, they exist
But I also have some that will try there best to be eqreal on stuff pay for there own food on dates, and one that dose love her fancy food will nowmally insist on paying if she suggested the place for the date

On the outer hand I can tell you I been with man that will insist not letting me pay, and I personally hate it
I can also say I got friends that feel very uncomfortable to insist to pay, as at least here some man insist on it to an uncomfortable level
Like I said before we are in the changing days, and social they change slowly
Like you said its what "Man are suppose to do" is the feeling not that is set by any woman but is forced on both sides its a social norm that is being changed
And yes, at least some woman want ture equality, they want to be treated as there own being with skills and abilities, with status and personality that can afford to pay gor them self
For some this is a blessing for some its a curse as honestly they got very little to offer
I got high standards of my own, I will not go out with someone that dose not hold to them, that simply mean someone that dose not have what to offer, as I do offer some brains, lots of spirit and personality, I expect a partner to be with a high standard as well and be able to offer same as they get

Before you talk about highet, that I assume is your own experience, so I will say I prefer someone taller then me, its important for me in there look, but its just a bouns, I am not partnering with flesh in bones but with the personality and spirit that it holds, a nice box is well and fine, but its not the product in the end (Not saying the partner is a product, just using the metfore of it)

[Oedipus]

You straight preaching

[Red-Blaze]

For sure an eqreal I honestly hate being treated as anything beyond
Overall I will be moving away from someone treating me anything more then a simple human

Do not I mean eqreal as in view, it dose not mean everyone are eqreal on the very basic part, Like someone may be smarter on some stuff or stronger, and they should be able to get what they can with there ability, just becouse I was born diffrent genes from some dont mean I am any more spasial from anyone else, but all spasial on there own with what they can give and do and should be treated as such for there own gifts of what they can do, over the biolgical group

[Red-Blaze]

Lost train of thinking there

Wanted to end with
Its why I do love the internet, gaming and 4Chan, its eqreality at its best, everyone are the same

[XXblack88]

How about just treat us like a person. While it's nice to be treated like a princess every once in a while. But if it was happening all the time it would get on my nerves. I might like to be treated like a equal just to see what it's like.

[MCheetah]

Literally anytime you treat a woman "like a person"/"like an equal" (specifically the same way men treat other men), they whine and complain about "misogyny" or "sexism." Seriously; treat any woman "like an equal" and stop kissing their asses for one second and all the buzzwords about "misogyny" come out. THIS is why most men who want girlfriends do NOT treat women like "equals," but like how they ACTUALLY want to be treated: like spoiled princesses. You literally contradict your own words in the very second sentence.

Not me, though. I've never been rich or stupid enough to be a simp.

[XXblack88]

@MCheetah never good said you were.

[USLegionary]

I thunk most women would like to be treated like a princess. That's why so many women have such intrest in celebrity women, how they live, who the date and marry, clothes the wear and social events they attend. Kim Kardashian is a modern day Princess and had made a career out of selling that image of herself.

[OlderAndWiser]

Why can't she be a

and treat him like a

? These are coffee cups that I bought for my girlfriend and me; I told her that I will treat her lke a queen, but I expect to be treated like a king. So far, it's workiing very well!

[TonyV]

Yeah kind of the problem, you can't have both yet a lot of women try to pick and choose.

I can't treat you chivalrous, ie a special thing to treat different cause it has boobs and a vagin, if I'm treating you like an equal, ie the same exact way I'd treat a stranger on the bus.

Do you want to be treated like an equal and always taken seriously or do you want special privileged treatment?

[KrisPW]

An equal... Unless it's a spider... Then I'd like to be the princess and I'll treat him like my prince later when the spider is long gone.

[bamesjond0069]

Women don't like being treated as equals. Ie pay half of the date, open their own doors, judged on their income like they are a man... and honestly its unfair to treat them that way. So I always treat them like a princess or trash whichever they act more like.

[standardguy]

Interesting. Many woman want to be treated equal and throw their privilege away. But they can't see that equality is not possible. Men and women are not the same. Always you will elevate or mistreat the different/other sex. So the only good option is being treated as princess.

[wittymilf]

Interesting question, I feel there is a time for both but an equal is definitely what I’d want to be treated like most often.

[Ms_Facesitter]

A princess, then I can treat him like a king.

[Summeroflove]

Nothing wrong with wanting to be treated like both! A princess and a equal. Long as she treats him like a prince.

No one sided shit.

[Wish4UrB00ty]

I try to treat my female equals as much like princess as I can while still respecting their equivalents. I didn’t do to good with my last girl though… so… 😂🤦‍♂️🙄😂😂

[dustybiker]

Respect is golden. Princesses can handle themselves.

[jennifer_bloom]

I would love to be treated like a princess but if I’m treated like an equal than I have all I can expect since sweetness is voluntary.

[RangerBlue22]

You can’t have both. But really that is the crux of modern day feminism.

[MCheetah]

To modern women, "equality" is superiority and having complete dominance over the man in the relationship, but just calling it "equality" anyway. "Equality when it benefits me, traditionalism when it doesn't." Cause look at how many Ukrainian women signed up for the war against Russia, right?

[RangerBlue22]

@MCheetah I’ve done some deeper thinking about this over the years.

There is scientific research the female brains are literally structured than male brains. And of course hormones impact their behavior and thinking vs. men. And of course of course you will always find exceptions to the rule either way. That’s fine and even good (there are female fighter pilots, a tiny handful of women passes army spec ops training, etc.). We also got Ukrainian women bravely fighting in the Russian Ukraine war. But those are always anecdotal exceptions. They are not the rule nor ever the rule.

The thing is women have for almost all of human history had to depend on men to provide for them and protect them. Looking for and expecting handouts and softer treatment was necessary for survival. There was no “pervasive” patiarachy conspiracy for this either. The vast majority of men do not look to nor enjoy “controlling” women as feminist so persistently and falsely claim. Only powerful men got away with that bs. Those men not only controlled women but also controlled other men as well. They either has wealth/power that enabled them or in the worst cases enslaved people. But that sure as hell doesn’t account for the vast majority of men.

Anyway back to female entitlement. I believe that it is so deeply engrained in their DNA to expect cushy treatment and favors from men that most of them don’t even realize this crass hypocrisy. On top of that their brains/emotions can make many of them act like perpetual adolescents on how make decisions. Their thinking is dominated by emotion (usually selfish). But truth is most of them just can’t help it.

[MCheetah]

@RangerBlue22
I fully agree with you. I wouldn't say it's all women (not that I'm saying you said that), but I do think all attractive and feminine women are like this. Maybe a really ugly woman or butch manly woman might have lived a life where men aren't kissing their asses 24/7. But the vast majority of women always have an army of simps and male protection service workers at their whim, all the time. Even the feminist sh*tstains that hate all men will sure as hell use male police officers, attorneys, and judges, to exact their wrath on the men they're the most angry against.

And I don't even dislike women for this privilege they have. I just wish they'd f*cking admit it and stop pretending like they're victims when they are quite literally the most pampered lifeforms to have ever existed in planet Earth, with the one exception being the super-rich/powerful and even THEN, it's a big "maybe" regarding royalty and billionaires being treated better.

So yes, I believe you are correct.

[RangerBlue22]

@MCheetah the thing is their adolescent thinking makes impossible for many of them to even realize what their doing is wrong (and ultimately self destructive). Also it’s actually men who CREATES a society that no longer requires hard labor and consistent strength to protect women from domestic threats. Women generally don’t need an old western clint Eastwood to protect them from outlaw bandits/rapists. But they still like having a man around to walk them to their cars.

Anyway as men here is what we can do a better job of:

1. If your alone fine. Fuck other people’s opinions of you. You are not a beta, gay or a “loser” if you are single.

This is easier said than done. Especially for young men because they get pressure from everybody. On top of that women automatically assume taken guys are more attractive (which perpetuates this problem).

2. Turn down hook up opportunities with an woman who is a self avowed feminist and/or espouses radical leftist views.

This is also much easier said than done especially if you are lonely and you got a chance. Yes most vocal feminists look like shit so that’s easy to say now. But unfortunately we got a few AOCs out there. I hate her rhetoric with a passion (and she’s a perfect example of what we are talking about) but let’s be honest here. How many independent or moderate conservative men would turn her down for a hook up if they weren’t getting anything else? Probably not many. We think we are getting “our half” when we hit it and go but in reality we are just enabling these cunts. Better to cut off their lifeline (attention). They won’t be able to dildo/dyke it out forever trying to avoid the mirror when it comes to their personality.

[RangerBlue22]

3. We got to stop throwing each other the bus just to “impress” women just to get laid. We might not be like this but a lot of dudes will shit on other guys just to entertain a girl. For example if we see a guy who is socially awkward yet harmless some bitchy girls will label him “creepy”. We both know he isn’t. But some douche bag men will tag along with that to impress women to get laid.

We shouldn’t ever do that (unless the guy really is a creep). But rather calmly stand out ground by pointing out the truth about him.

4. We got to continue to work hard and look are best vs. getting depressed and doing self destructive crap out of loneliness.

This is hard. I picked up some bad habits in my 30s out of a deep depression I fell into after an ex girlfriend treated me like I was less than human (not exaggerating) after a break up. Not proud of shit I’ve done but I really need to stick the gym, jiu jitsu and my close friends for moral support. Male friendships start fading in our 30s because as men we don’t prioritize socializing like women do. Rather we care about careers and being independent more. If we have families/kids to take care of that’s one thing. But if we don’t this is very bad for mental health. But we got to stick together.

Anyway just my two cents.

[MCheetah]

It's good advice for young men. I've already been doing these things for years now.

My 4th one I'd add in, is to live life one day at a time. Society tries to scare us into making all these grandiose plans to prepare for marriage, family, kids, etc. And that's fine, if you want that. But some of us don't want that at all, and some of us may want that, but due to looks, genetics, lack of wealth, circumstances, etc, will never get that. So to avoid depression (which I dealt with for over a decade), I say live life one day at a time. Don't make long-term plans, but rather "desires." That way, you won't get depressed when you inevitably don't achieve them. If you want to lose weight, maybe just go to the gym if you feel like going. If you say "I need to lose 20 pounds in two months," that'll lead to depression when you fail. To stop feeling depressed, I stopped making long term plans and goals, and just did things daily. That way, I couldn't feel bad about planning out a better life that likely wouldn't be achievable.

Maybe you should make a MyTake and put all of these tips for young men in there? Just saying.

[RangerBlue22]

@MCheetah that’s not a bad idea. The thing is only have my phone and my company laptop. I won’t visit GAG on my company computer (they track everything). So I only use my phone on here (hence many typos). So I’ll have to think of a way to write a good mytake. Maybe write up a draft on Google docs and post it via my phone.

But men have two major problems that make us compromise:

1) Our innate biological sex drives. It is natural to want sex and to be loved by someone of the opposite gender. We don’t admit it outright (don’t want to look weak/pathetic) but positive female attention means a lot to us.

2). Our social status. This is where things get really screwed up. Society, friends, family and other women DO judge men harshly if they are seen to be “good with women” or not. The fact that women are so much more attracted to taken men vs. quickly judge single men is huge exacerbating factor. This drives men to insecurity and depression which makes things even worse.

However this factor can be mitigated if a man shows devotion to life outside of dating (activities, school, meaningful work, etc). I’m actually writing a political satire book right now. I also do a lot of volunteering.

Good women (there are few but do exist) can pick up on that.

[MCheetah]

You can copy and paste what you wrote here, and put it into a notepad or Google Doc. Don't try to do a MyTake on the phone; any phone call interruption or WIFI cut-out will ruin everything.

And yeah, I wish I was asexual. My desire for women, romance, love, and sex (all of which are things I'll never in my life have, due to sh*tty genetics and not simping) is a major "weakness" of mine. Or maybe, WAS a major weakness?

And I don't care about social status anymore. When I was 18, it's all I ever wanted. But then I realized this society is too sh*t for me to seek its validation. If trash like Kim Kardashian, Joe Biden, Anthony Fauci, Kathy Griffin, and AOC are looked up to as major role models in this society, then society is not worth wasting my time or effort on. Most celebrities and politicians are trash people, for a reason. Maybe you can add this to your MyTake too?

[RangerBlue22]

@MCheetah it’s easier to think this way when we get older. But younger guys really shit on each other over this. There is assumption that “in the long run everybody will find their soul mate so it’s okay”. But some people never find that person. Also radical feminism is making women swing from men like a monkey swings from trees (only to later regret it). They date men more for “an experience” to give them a quick rush. Once they get bored they quickly jump
over to someone else.

Anyway the bottom line is younger men got to get their validation out of life vs getting it out of women. That’s much easier said than then done and our f*cking society shits on single men. But they got to grow a thick skin and reject that prejudice.

[Guy13]

Hopefully a priceless princess because that's so much more fun for me...

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

What exactly does it mean to be treated like a princess and be treated equal according to you?

I believe you can treat a woman nicely and with respect yet not be a condescending jerk who sees a woman as less than.

[Pohjolan]

She wanted to be treated like a princess so we married her to a stranger to reinforce our alliance with Poland.

[TheSpaceGnome]

lmfao xD accurate

[WhitneySnow]

Both lol. Sometimes an equal and sometimes a princess.

[Mafia24]

Excuse me.
Why girls need to treated like princess?
If you remove boobs n hole what you girls have to offer on table?

[Anonymous]

An equal. The other option can be sickening.

[YHL6965]

I'd rather see her as an equal that I sometimes treat like a princess rather than having a woman who feels entitled to be treated like a princess.

[Dnice1]

Just like how I treat him, with respect and kindness

[Noahzaid]

I only marry princess, sorry.

[kellytheman]

I usually treat a girl a princess to a certain point and understand certain things they wanted to be treated equal.

[Anonymous]

Princess would be great, but equal is probably better. If people treated me like a princess, they'd probably start to grow spiteful of me because they'd feel it's unfair. It's just better if I go for interactions with mutual gain and stuff.

[lucas262]

Remember ladies modern women get equality. Traditional women get chivalry.

[User3191989]

apparently a lot of them want to be treated by their "daddy"

[Pudsmucker]

I prefer treating her as an equal. But I do treat her like a queen.

[BJP21]

As a guy BOTH. They are your equal but also a princess.

[Whatisthatname]

Someone that doesn't want to be equal doesn't sound like anyone fun to be with.

[Anonymous]

🤣🤣🤣 at the women who are saying both. They want whatever benefits them at the time.

[Bethany22]

Like a princess

[fembotnpc777]

I'd rather be loved and treated that way.

[Avicenna]

Some would prefer the princess treatment

[Cubus]

One does not exclude the other.

[sheikalana]

I like being treated like a queen.

[humanearth]

Equal, I'm too hairy to be a princess

[AngelOfLight258]

A bit of both TBH.

[GreatnessBack]

How about treating them like a person?

[18Uma21]

A princess at first, then queen

[Fuentes]

I rather get paid

[mandyfire98]

An equal

[Alex8736]

i would treat them as an equal personally

[LazerBean]

Both.

[krin_m]

It can be both!

[fonduegirl]

Equally

[fonduegirl]

I'd like to be treated as princess in general. But if we're in a relationship, I'm your equal.

[Mafia24]

You want to treated like princess? 😂😂

Did you see your fucking face in mirror?

[Agape93]

An equal.

[artsy_dragon]

An equal.

[TacosRAwesome]

Both

[byrdman89]

Well said :)

[AsaKyo]

A princess

[Anonymous]

Queen.

[Anonymous]

A princes of course

[Babygirl_S]

Equal.

[Guardian45]

It can be both.

[Guardian45]

It SHOULD BE BOTH!

[Alexuselder13]

An equally