As a white American male why am I always considered misogynist by most women just for having traditional views? Why don’t women want to be housewives?

[WhiteBoyChill]

They’ll say I want to control women just because I’ll only accept a housewife.

Like no, its not about controlling anybody. Hell I’ll be out of her hair at work for a good solid 8 hours (and likely more) of the day.

I just want to have kids in the future and I’d rather not pay somebody else money to raise my kids when I could find a woman that’s happy to do it for free.

And this shouldn’t even be anything controversial. For thousands of years that is what most people had always fcking done.

It just makes no sense to me. This idea that both the Mom and the Dad need to be working just to “pay the bills”.

I grew up in a family where the men worked and the women stayed at home and everyone was happy and that’s just what I’m used to.

All these fricking Bs lies people tell you about both the Mom and the Dad needing to work. That hasn’t been true for a single adult male member of my family. Why? Because the men had good paying jobs.

Now I’m not saying women shouldn’t go to school and shouldn’t develop the skills to find work. Because its anybody’s best guess if they end up in an abusive relationship, or with a cheating sc*mbag husband or something.

But seriously tho, what is it with women just not wanting to have kids nowadays?

I mean most women have had no problem with being mothers for thousands of years.

So why the hell is everything in life for women all about money, consumerism and social media these days?

And why is getting dicked down and f*cking multiple guys empowering?

I mean seriously it just all makes absolutely no sense to me.

Women were happier in the 1960’s than they are today.

So maybe all this female empowerment crap they digest in womens brains nowadays isn’t actually helpful.

Maybe perhaps its actually hurting women, and I’m not one to lecture people on how to live but perhaps maybe women aren’t meant to be single in their 30’s if most of them consistently end up miserable and depressed people.

[inhua]

it shouldn't be controversial but people are too soft these days and get caught up in their butthurt feelings. they won't discuss or debate but use shame tactics, block you as an anon and hide away like a coward

feminism is turning men into women and women into men and destroying families in the process. they continue to preach equality but their actions are anything but equality and it doesn't take a genius to analyze the inequalities within the divorce courts/family courts, reproductive rights, false rape and domestic violence allegations etc.

basically the gynocentric social order wants to control men, control their lives, control their choices, control their preferences, control their opinions, control their minds and they use shame tactics to do so. they want to scrutinize men in everything they say and do. if he enjoys video games and anime, that's a problem. if he enjoys sports and gym, that's also a problem. if he enjoys math and chess, that's also a problem. if he prefers Asian women, that's a problem. if he prefers younger women, that's also a problem and this is often filled with hypocrisy and double standards. men need to shut up about women's choices but they also need to shut up about their own choices. funny how it works doesn't it?

there's nothing wrong with wanting a housewife but they'll tell you it's wrong to have such preferences and try to control the way you think. they also want you to lower their standards and save someone for the poor choices in their life. if all 50 dudes she's ever slept with didn't want to marry and commit to her, why should you take the bullet and commit to her?

and they'll find a way to blame men too for society's problems and they are right to a degree. it's all these spineless cowards, beta cuck soy boys, white knights and simps who allowed this shit to happen

[WhiteBoyChill]

I can tell you firsthand their shame tactics have no effect on me. I always just think to myself “dear God can these people just get a life”. It just gets annoying is all

[WhiteBoyChill]

What I’m saying though is they’ll stick mindlessly attack masculine men for no reason. They want us to all just cuck out and be subservient

[inhua]

it's a good thing they don't have an effect on you. unfortunately for the majority of guys, their dreams and aspires get stomped on all the time before they cave into a meaningless life. even trying uplift your fellow man is a forbidden taboo these days.

[WhiteBoyChill]

And its sad to see how so few men lack the mental strength in life as you said

[spearheadbt2]

*basically the gynocentric social order wants to control men, control their lives, control their choices, control their preferences, control their opinions, control their minds*
And yet you insecure guys want women to be housewives and not fuck multiple guys 🙄

[WhiteBoyChill]

@spearheadbt2 I couldn’t give less of a fck what they do. If they wanna be disgusting hoes that’s their problem and decent guys aren’t gonna want them.

[spearheadbt2]

So you don't care about it yet you write a post about it? 🙄 You're only kidding yourself dude

[WhiteBoyChill]

@spearheadbt2 I’ll still sl*t shame them absolutely. They’ve earned their criticism

[spearheadbt2]

Which just again shows you care about it. If you didn't care about it, you wouldn't do anything about them. I suppose you're not very chill after all, white boy.

[spearheadbt2]

The great thing about today’s society (which is not perfect), is that women can do whatever the fuck they want (which of course includes being a housewife - or not). You claim you don’t want to control women, but at the same time expect them to be a housewife. Yeah, right…

Do you think women really had a choice back then? How many of them got forced into marriages? A while ago, there were no condoms or pills either. And you think women were never raped by their husbands either?

I wouldn’t want women to tell what to do, and I certainly understand it goes both ways. You are not happy with this? Though luck and grow up. Women don’t have to change themselves for what *you* want, just find one who’s interests and values align with yours. There’s nothing wrong with wanting to be a housewife, but I wouldn’t recommend a girl who wants to become one to get into a relationship with a misogynistic arsehole though…

[inhua]

none of what he said was misogynistic

[spearheadbt2]

@inhua 😂

[WhiteBoyChill]

I’m saying most women aren’t mature enough to be capable of proper independent thought.

[WhiteBoyChill]

Why else do you think for thousands of years it was always men making the decisions? Ever since we decided to incorportate women into society and give them more power and influence, the world has slid backwards in terms of progress. With feminized men, millions of abortions every year, and more depression and suicide amongst men.

[spearheadbt2]

I'd argue most people aren't mature enough to be capable of proper independent thought. You clearly are an example.
Why was it the case that for thousands of years it was always men making the decisions? You're not the sharpest pen in the box, are you? Have you ever looked at women, then at men? Haven't you noticed most men are taller than most women? That men can have much bigger muscles than women? Why do you think sports are separated along sexes? Did you never notice that when women are pregnant, they get a live being in their body for 9 months, a significant amount of that time, they have a huge belly? Do you think they can get very physical with such a belly? Or that they aren't very vulnerable? Heck, men being generally much stronger, a good way to "put women in their place" even more than just by violence is to just rape them until they get pregnant. I'm sorry to ask, but are you American? 😂
Lots of men are insecure pricks who can't help but think with their dicks. You are one of them.

[WhiteBoyChill]

Lol “insecure prick” says the guy who has to spend all his time trying to trash other people. Trashing other people isn’t the sign of a confident man.

[spearheadbt2]

So a confident man shouldn't let his feelings and thoughts known, but hide them? I trash people I think are trash, that is all. If that makes you uneasy, that's not my problem. Being confident doesn't mean trying to spare other people's feelings. Besides, you completely ignored the rest of my post. Which is not surprising because your original post just showed how little education you have!

[WhiteBoyChill]

Lol. When did I ever ask for your opinion of my intelligence? This is coming from a guy who doesn’t even have the self control to keep a conversation civil without petty childish insults.

[XHopelessRomanticX]

Traditional women still exist my friend, but you’re not going to find them just anywhere. Most of them are in church.

People find their helpmate at different points in life; some before 18, some in their 20s and 30s, some in their 40s and beyond. No need to look down on women who haven’t married or had children by the time they turned 30.

I have a full time job and live on my own. I’ll be 30 next year in February. Even though I enjoy my job, it is still my greatest desire to be a wife and mom. But I’m still waiting. I look forward to finding a good traditional husband, someone who can say to me, “You can work if you want to. Just know that you don’t have to.”

[WhiteBoyChill]

Makes sense. I suppose it is also valid to say there is a shortage of traditional men

[XHopelessRomanticX]

And that’s very true too. I’ve come across men online who are too worried about their finances to be open to homeschooling or having more than 2 kids.

[CateM]

Open your eyes, my guy. In some households, they need the two incomes. If you'll only accept a SAHW then you'll have a much harder time finding one. "And this shouldn’t even be anything controversial. For thousands of years that is what most people had always fcking done..." Times have changed, it's time you do too. "maybe women aren’t meant to be single in their 30’s if most of them consistently end up miserable and depressed people..." You say this like women in their 30s can't be happy, they can. Those women are right, you ARE being misogynistic. I can't believe I just read this

[inhua]

none of what he said is misogynistic

[WhiteBoyChill]

Well duh. My whole point was that female happiness has been declining. All this female empowerment crap hasn’t actually helped women

[spearheadbt2]

Needing two incomes is irrelevant. If a woman doesn't want to be a housewife, it's her own and complete right.

[Cassie88]

Wow, what crap did I just read? I don't want children of my own for the simple and clear reason that I just don't like children. If people like you have a problem with the way I've chosen to live MY life, well... you can just go suck a lemon.

"I'm not one to lecture people on how to live..." - Holy crap on a cracker! Umm... it's what you do right here in this pointless diatribe. By the way, I'm not "miserable and depressed", LOL :D

You don't have a clue about women, you've got no idea at all!

[WhiteBoyChill]

Actually I’ve known plenty your age, and I’m just describing how most of them are

[WhiteBoyChill]

But why don’t you like children though? I mean for the thousands of years prior to your birth multiple other women in your family before you decided they liked having children

[Cassie88]

No you haven't. Don't lie.

[Cassie88]

I just don't like them, and I don't care what women in your mind did "thousands of years ago". What our ancestors got up to is completely IRRELEVANT to my current life, my choices in life.

[WhiteBoyChill]

Well if you’re happy doing whatever the fck it is you’re doing fine but don’t pretend you speak for the women I’ve talked to

[Cassie88]

Oh right, because only someone like YOU can speak for other women. Eh? What? You need to chill white boy, and stop being such a misogynistic creep on GAG. I've seen your other rants here, and I'm not at all impressed.

[WhiteBoyChill]

You do realize all sorts of polling indicates women are less happy than they were 60 years ago. Why do you think that is?

[Cassie88]

You're lying again. Where is this "polling" you speak of? It's strange you don't at least link to something relevant.
However, even IF this were true, so what? There could be (and would be) many reasons for the unhappiness, and any such research would probably indicate that men were just as miserable.

[WhiteBoyChill]

Here you go. Get educated.
www.dailymail.co.uk/.../...n-happy-years-ago-.html
law.yale.edu/.../...iningFemaleHappiness_Dec08.pdf

amp.theguardian.com/.../womens-rights-happiness-wellbeing-gender-gap
www.vox.com/.../women-happy-chores-gender-gap
https://docs.iza.org/dp4200.pdf
www.theatlantic.com/.../
slate.com/.../...n-are-more-unhappy-than-ever.html

[WhiteBoyChill]

nypost.com/.../
www.orthodoxconservatives.uk/.../women-meaning-decline
timesofindia.indiatimes.com/.../
aleteia.org/.../

[WhiteBoyChill]

And those studies actually indicate men haven’t seen the same decline.

[WhiteBoyChill]

So tell me what are the reasons?

[Cassie88]

Really? Did you even bother to read the first one (Daily Mail) on your list? It states that:
"The study, The Paradox of Declining Female Happiness, said the same was true for women of different ages and whether or not they were married or had children".
According to these people, being married and having children made no difference, and yet here you are basically telling women to become traditional housewives again because "it will make you less miserable".

[WhiteBoyChill]

Omg. Do you not understand that being married and having children doesn’t make you a housewife by default 🙄. I guarantee you most of those women still have jobs

[WhiteBoyChill]

Its like you missed the whole point about fewer and fewer women being housewives over time

[spearheadbt2]

Dude, housewives didn’t stop existing, so they are included in those numbers. Which means: if there’s no difference of happiness between women with or without kids, then being a housewife doesn’t matter. What you are doing is cherry picking stuff and coming up with explanations that fits your narrative.

[Cassie88]

@spearheadbt2 Exactly! Confirmation bias is what this "chill white boy" is guilty of here.

[Cassie88]

Omg. Do you not understand that being a so-called housewife doesn't make you happy by default? (eyeroll).
You have such a simplistic, naive view of the world. It's incredible, it truly is.

[WhiteBoyChill]

@spearheadbt2 ARE YOU SERIOUSLY THAT FCKING RETARTED? I didn’t say ZERO women are housewives. I just pointed out that the study didn’t take into account that many of the so called “mothers” don’t even do actual parenting and still work, and just drop their kids off at daycare.

Seriously. How fcking dumb can you be? Its like you can’t even read shit.

[spearheadbt2]

Sigh. I think you need to get your thinking fixed dude. Both housewives and mothers dropping their kids off at daycare are taken into account. How many of each there are is completely irrelevant. There's no statistical difference in women with or without kids, which means there's also no statistical difference with mothers who are housewives or not, even if the former are the minority. Otherwise, the difference between mothers who are housewives or not would cancel each other perfectly, which is statistically almost impossible. Now, if you choose to believe it is possible, I don't know what to say! You clearly are reading what you want to see. You should do a IQ test yourself before typing inanities.

[alice55]

All the women empowerment things is about money and consuming more, if women work and don't have children then they get more money to spend on useless stuff so capitalist are happy except this I don't really see a reasons.

And nowadays it's also extremely hard nearly impossible to find a man that want to get married, they're ok with children when they're in their 40s but marriage is a big no. Try finding a man ok with you being a housewife in France impossible here traditional women are treated like trash called gold digger and lazy, only things that matter to people nowadays seem to be money.

And yes in the 50s it was better, traditional family, no sexual disease everywhere (I also don't get the whole hook stuff, women complain of being treated like whore but still continue to do ons). etc... It was better before but I'm afraid we can do much about it except surrounding ourself with traditional people.

[WhiteBoyChill]

So what you’re saying is that there are still traditional women left in France that a man can find?

[spearheadbt2]

I doubt it's all about the money. What about the free time to do what you want and not worry about your kids? Kids don't just kill your wallet, they kill your time and energy.

And if you think there was not a lot of spreading of sexual diseases everywhere in the 50s you are delusional. You think no one had sex before marrying or outside of the marriage? Why do you think there are STDs in the first place? They ALWAYS proliferated because people like to fuck around. This is not new. Some of the STDs (like syphillis) were symptomless diseases in the Americas that were brought to Europe by European explorers who were not symptomless. You think this happened inside marriages? Back then, there was no internet, no cameras, no phones and stuff. It was much easier to cheat on your wife, or husband without getting caught. And people would just not talk about it. Lots of people were forced into marriages and were unhappy. There were no polls back then. So what do you think they were doing? Heck stories of adultery are in the Bible for Christ's sake! It's not because things worked a certain way for a long period of time that people were happy or that things happened the way you think they did. Just read old novels from the 1800s. You have loooads of stories about extra-marital affairs and unhappy marriages, and stuff like that.

That said, there's of course nothing wrong with marriage and committing to a single partner (I'm definitely for the latter but not at the expense of doing so with the first girl I meet), but there's also nothing wrong if you like to fuck around or whatever. It's nobody's business.

[alice55]

Yes here women are quite dumb men cheat on them and insult them and they stil stay with the guy and love him. And people have children young in the countryside.

[alice55]

@spearheadbt2 They used to have lots of extra marital affair cause people didn't marry for love.

[Swollerbear]

Let them call you what you like. Surely, it's uncomfortable to have society against you, but it's manageable when you're assured on who you are. I'm traditional too. Found a wife who shares my same values. Clearly, they're approaching marriage wrong when you consider the statistics.

[Anonymous]

I can only speak for myself. I don't want kids with what's being taught in today's school system even if you homeschool them when they out in society, they're still goanna pick up on that garbage. Being a stay-at-home mom/ wife only works if you're partner has a good career. most people I know make a little bit above minimum wage. not to mention a lot of women like to make their own money so they don't have to rely on their partner for every little financial thing. You just need to find a woman who was raised similar to the way you were.

[WhiteBoyChill]

I’m just saying. Most women weren’t raised the same way I was is the problem.

And in regards to the Bs they’re starting to teach in schools, have you seen all those pissed off parents at schoolboard meetings? It will not stand for much longer.

And I get that it’ll still be everywhere in the media but I could just tell my kids its all fcking BS and they’ll get it. I mean kids will listen to their parents if you establish authority

[Opinion Owner]

I've seen a few of them. That just means you got to look harder cause there are women who are raised like you. I find the hispanic girls our very family oriented like that.

[Opinion Owner]

are*

[WhiteBoyChill]

I live in a part of the country that’s more culturally liberal and similar to Canada/California if that makes sense

[Opinion Owner]

@whiteboychill well there's part of your problem get out of that liberal ******** hole.

[WhiteBoyChill]

I can’t tho. I gotta attend school here

[Opinion Owner]

then finish your schooling and get out. otherwise you're looking for a needle in a haystack.

[WhiteBoyChill]

That’s the plan. But I don't know where to go though

[Opinion Owner]

🙂 why not the Bible belt like TX, OK etc.

[WhiteBoyChill]

I don't know. Aren’t a lot of the women there kinda obese, crooked teeth, and masculine looking? I kinda want a feminine princess

[WhiteBoyChill]

Like women that go hunting and wear camo aren’t really that attractive to me. I’d prefer if they were nurturing shit as oppossed to killing shit

[Opinion Owner]

haha 😂 some of that is a stereotype. but yeah, the fishing, hunting and obese part is mostly true.

[WhiteBoyChill]

Im not really into that tho. I mean physically the women here are still more attractive, even if they are obnoxious to be around

[spearheadbt2]

A feminine princess? 😂 It all makes sense now. You want to be the prince in shining armor from Disney movies. You think women shouldn't be happy unless they are with you, and that you yourself won't be happy until it happens. Why don't you grow up and become a man? A real one, who is not insecure if a girl is not kissing your feet or had more than one partner in the past (maybe the other guys had bigger penises, how horrible would that be!). And a guy who doesn't need a woman to live and be happy. I tell you, all these guys here who like the "traditional" way and wish things were like in the past, when men were real men and women real women... A man who's a real man won't feel the urge to lock their girl up. Who knows what happens when she has to, *gasp* talk to other guys at work! It's the same hijab logic, hide *your* girl's femininity. She belongs to you after all.

[WhiteBoyChill]

@spearheadbt2 Wow taking everything I said out of context. Like no I just want to have offspring and I’d rather it not be with a woman who acts like a man.

[jshm2]

Because you are just a prick, trying to hide behind dubious "traditional values".

When we both know you're just talking Jim Crow era outdated bullshit.

[WhiteBoyChill]

What’s wrong with women in the 50’s? They looked a lot better and behaved a lot better

[spearheadbt2]

Yeah, the behaved the way men wanted them to behave. Right down your alley!

[WhiteBoyChill]

@spearheadbt2 why the hell should I want a btch that talks back?

[spearheadbt2]

Hahaha, and you're not misogynistic, yeah right! I don't know, what I want is a live human being with her own head on her shoulders, not a doormat. What you want is your own personal slave.

[OlderAndWiser]

People on the left love to call you a horrible-sounding name if they disagree with you. It's what they do.

[WhiteBoyChill]

I’m not kidding though. You wouldn’t know it because you don’t spend your time around 20 year old girls but virtually none of them want to be housewives or mothers

[OlderAndWiser]

ork wth about 10 women who range from 23 to 57. Most of them are 30-40. They are all good women who want a husband, children, and a home of their own.

[WhiteBoyChill]

That’s 30-40 though. Not my age range

[OlderAndWiser]

Most twenty year old girls are not ready to settle in to babies and bottles.

[WhiteBoyChill]

I’m saying they’re bitterly oppossed to the idea even later in life

[OlderAndWiser]

What they say now doesn't mean that they won't gett married and have babies later. Those girls are just talking out their ass.

[WhiteBoyChill]

I don't know man. Even still most millenial women don’t seem to have children, and even if I’m wrong, many still don’t

[spearheadbt2]

20 year olds? Maybe let them live their lives a bit first? My parents were almost 30 when they got me (the oldest), and I'm really not the only one in that situation. I see plenty of young families around. You don't see them? Surprise surprise, not all girls feel like their sole purpose in life is to have children and raise a family. I'd say most girls do want to have children, but they have to reach the age where they feel like they are ready for it, which is something that varies a lot. Most girls in their early 20s with kids have them because of accidents, not because they absolutely wanted them. And it's the same with guys. I'm 32 and I definitely don't feel ready yet, granted I do eventually want kids.

If you absolutely want kids right now, you'll have to find a girl who wants kids right now, which means you'll much more easily find such a girl in her late 20s or in her 30s. If you are unhappy about it then that's your problem. No one (both sexes) have to cater to your needs if they don't want to.

[bamesjond0069]

Because you're sexist. Nothing wrong with it. Welcome to the club. Don't worry about what other people think so much.

[LiamJHayden]

Most people get offended at being excluded by the preferences of others. That is all this is.

[TheMoreMiffed]

I think you should marry a woman from the Middle East

[WhiteBoyChill]

Yeah but there are religious differences though so I’m really not sure

[TheMoreMiffed]

You can try to get to know Islam. Also, Armenians are Christians.

[WhiteBoyChill]

I don't know. I’m kind of like most muslims too I guess. You know the feeling of just being really attached to your faith and not wanting to let go? And I’m not sure if Armernian are attractive

[TheMoreMiffed]

how do you like women

[WhiteBoyChill]

Like physically?

[TheMoreMiffed]

Both

[WhiteBoyChill]

Oh. Well if Armenian women look feminine than I am happy. Otherwise just want to be traditional as well

[TheMoreMiffed]

I am not talking about Armenians living in America. In Armenia, Armenians are quite conservative as tradition

[WhiteBoyChill]

Yeah I never seen Armenian girl before but what do they look like?

[TheMoreMiffed]

Look pm

[Anonymous]

Get a Mexican wife. Problem solved.


Yes, white Mexican girls exist.

[WhiteBoyChill]

Where in Mexico though? Like a particular city or province?

And I’m not sure if it’d be better to just randomnly drop in Mexico for a vacation week, or if I should communicate with girls on some online platform and agree to meet with them later.

[Opinion Owner]

Do you ever move on from the one that got away? Do you have a person that comes to mind? ↗

[Opinion Owner]

They come to us a lot of times. There’s a lot migrating

[WhiteBoyChill]

Yeah but most Mexican girls are in California and Texas tho I think. I don’t really want to live in California and Texas is just way too fcking hot.

[Anonymous]

Today's American women are a shadow of women of the past.

[Timid-guy]

I like dominant women not housewives

[WhiteBoyChill]

“Timid guy” says it all.