Why do a lot of western women still believe they live in a patriarchal society?

[Chthou95]

You want to actually live in a patriarchal society, go live in the middle east where women get decapitated for not following orders or commands. You have it better here than you think you do. You've just been brainwashed by feminism

[inhua]

there is a "patriarchy" but it's not for the reasons western women believe it to be. the "patriarchy" they believe in is a system that puts men on top and oppresses women which is absolutely false.

the "patriarchy" is actually upheld by women who naturally select out for men who are tall, strong, athletic, handsome, rich, confident, dominant, aggressive etc. basically men who are in the top 20% due to superior genetics, finances and status.

the "patriarchy" is nothing more than one giant simp fest that pedestalizes women and uses men as sacrificial lambs to be killed off in war, men are always the last to leave on a sinking ship, men must take a bullet for the woman and furthermore men need to shut up about these injustices and quit whining whether it be family court/divorce court bias, paternity fraud, false rape allegations etc.

this has been the case for thousands of years. kings, emperors and warlords at the top, women would be next, followed by every other man e. g. soldiers, merchants, peasants and lastly slaves would be at the very bottom. men at the top would take the majority of women and women allowed this thus there's a reason why no royal lineage lasts forever. sooner or later there's an uprising that displaces the current ruler and a new ruler takes his place and the cycle continues.

today every now and then there's a disgruntled man is tired of the mistreatment and lack of support thus he goes rogue and then feminists want to paint a narrative of "all men are this, that and the third" and give themselves more excuses to double down on their hypergamy e. g. "oh you're husband is too oppressive, just cheat on him" or "oh, he doesn't fit your mate selection criteria i. e. too short, too old, too ugly, too broke, he must be a creepy predator" or "oh it's his fault, you got bored and filed for divorce" etc.

so if anything, western women are the beneficiaries of the "patriarchy" that protects them at all costs at the expense of a man's pride, a man's dignity and even his own life and the only thing those men receive in return is ridicule, disloyalty, emasculation and these days cancellation, false imprisonment and execution

[Chazmatazz269]

Mostly because that’s what they’re being told by people they trust and respect. If you ask them outright, most of them can’t justify that nonsense to save their lives.

[Razp_Sorbet]

Just because others have it worse doesn't mean we don't have any issues. Society is a patriarchy and many things prove that.

[Chazmatazz269]

If there’s no shortage of evidence, surely you can produce some. Since you brought it up.

[Chthou95]

What rights do men have that you don't? Abortion can't be used since it made things fair for both sexes

[Agagagagaga]

What’s rights to men have that women don’t?

[Razp_Sorbet]

It's not about "rights" as such. We in theory have the same rights but in practice is where things go wrong.

Laws may be the same but cultural and societal norms and biases can lead to unequal opportunities and treatment.

[Chthou95]

Can you name some opportunities men get that you don't?

[Razp_Sorbet]

More job opportunities simply because they can't get pregnant, this is kind of a negative for men too because companies who think like this are unlikely to give sufficient paternity leave.

Sufficient pain relief for procedures.

Women do most of the household chores and childcare despite a lot of them working the same amount of hours as their partner.

Sanitary products are taxed while Viagra isn't.

Pink tax in general.

Women are still more likely to be injured and die in car crashes because safety features are designed for the average male.

Sexualization of nipples on women but not on men.

[Chthou95]

Yeah the first one comes down to biology. And you do know men work more hours than women right? That also includes overtimes hours. "
Women are still more likely to be injured and die in car crashes because safety features are designed for the average male." Are you saying that companies go out of their way to make sure women are still at risk for fatal injuries when involved in car accidents? And hey we can free the nipple of women as long as you're okay with horn dogs staring at your exposed tits. You can't have it both ways here where you want nipples to be free but then also complain when certain men stare. But yeah free the nipple.. I guess

[UCrayCray]

I love how ask “Can you name some opportunities men get that you don't?” only to dismiss each point with “well yeah, you’re a woman.” 🤦🏻‍♀️
“And you do know men work more hours than women right?” Of course. Women are expected to get home to take care of the kids, clean the house and make dinner. Can’t do that working until 9pm.
“Are you saying that companies go out of their way to make sure women are still at risk…” Oh ffs. Is that really what you got from what she said? C’mon now. What a ridiculous conclusion to draw given what was actually said.
“…we can free the nipple of women as long as you're okay with…” how you make men behave. How many time have you been told your mere presence is distracting? I’m sorry, your exposed shoulders is preventing little Jimmy here from learning his times tables. YOU are going to need to change how you act, and what you do, because poor, poor little Jimmy, we won’t tell him he’s the one who needs to change his behavior. That would be unfair. 🙄
How many birth control products are on the market for men that mess with their hormones to the extent that they do for women? Huh? Now compare that to the products on the market for men who can’t get boners? They definitely got that problem covered, huh? Made sure they fixed the limp willy issue. Women with an equivalent issue, too bad. Don’t be such a frigid bitch.
Yes, life for women is worse in many places in their world. Does that mean we can’t complain or be unhappy about our own plight because others have it more difficult? If that’s the case, what are you doing here worrying about the women you say shouldn’t be worrying about themselves?

[Razp_Sorbet]

@Chthou95 biology? So you're saying it's okay to discriminate against people in work places because of their biology?

If you read what I said carefully I said a lot of them work the same hours. Even if the man did work more hours than the woman, he's still not doing an equal share of the housework. That's not 50/50 by the way. Equality isn't always same same.

No I never said they're going out of their way to make women still at risk. But this is a fact. Companies know about it. They're essentially going out of their way to not do anything about it at this point.

Free the nipple. I mean yeah you just proved by point on that one. Over sexualization for what? Why are mens nipples ok but women's aren't? They're the same. Boobs aren't offensive unless the nipple is uncovered, except when breastfeeding in public then they're offensive again.

I can complain when men stare, because again... It's unfair treatment! That is the whole point of this discussion.

[Chthou95]

Why is there Wnba and nba? That could be considered discrimination can it not yet we all know why there's two leagues. There's no woman in special forces right now as we speak. Is it because the military doesn't want woman special forces? No it's because they don't pass. This could be argued as discrimination but again there's a reason it exist. And woman outearn men in nursing and the model industry, are men oppressed because they're not making the same as women? And if companies are actually not testing proper safety and reviewing their products before put out on the market, then the companies should get sued if this is an (Actual) problem women are dealing with. And men are attracted to tits. If men sew them, they'll look. You want things to go your way 100% but that's not the way it works. If i put a steak on a table, i can't expect a dog to not want to try and get it if its just sitting there

[Chthou95]

@UCrayCray Take a deep breath its going to be okay

[Razp_Sorbet]

The reason why sports were segregated is because men threw a fit when women beat them.

There are women in special forces, it would be discrimination If they weren't allowed in. You're really just trying to walk right around the point here.

If men weren't getting paid the same amount for the same job and same amount of experience then yes they are being discriminated against.

The problem is these things WERE safety tested but they were ONLY safety tested on a crash dummy which represents the average male. You can literally look up the statistics of male vs female injury and death in car crashes.

You're really going to compare men to dogs? 💀 Yikes

[Chthou95]

They're aren't in the same league because men are and women are different. Women can't compete with men in sports. It would be unfair and and a disadvantage for women. And as of right now there are no women. The military even lowers the standards so that women can pass. And women do try out but again have yet to graduate. But you're right. They're not being discriminated and have the opportunity to try out. There's no patriarchy holding them back. And the reason why men get paid less is because people aren't paying money to see male models in the fashion industry. They want to see women and wonen make all the money yet i dont see any men complain about not being enough.

[Chthou95]

And put feelings aside and look at the argument. You can't be mad at a dog for wanting the steak the same way you can't be mad at hetero men who are attracted to tits and look

[Razp_Sorbet]

I don't know where you're getting that info from because as of 2022 7% of special forces in the united states were women.

Payment in fashion is a weird thing and has nothing to do with skill level but more popularity. Women's fashion has a higher demand so of course there are more models. But an average fashion show with non famous models, the men and women should be paid the same. If men are earning less then that's something we need to fix. You also probably don't see them complain because it's not something you are interested in or look into. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

Nobody cares if men look. What you're implying is men can't help themselves from treating women like they are a piece of meat. You're telling me that you absolutely have to make a comment, inappropriately stare, oogle, and touch? Because that's your biology? That's fucking bullshit you're just a shitty person.

[Chthou95]

Name me one female in special forces right now. You do realize im talking about Navy seals, Delta operators and green berets. Show me one woman who's in these factions of the military. And if women are the popular choice when it comes to the fashion industry, they get paid more. You get paid for your value and what you're bringing. That's capitalism my dear. Nba playere are paid more than wnba because people watch NBA more. Maybe the feminism movement needs to fight for more women to watch it instead of bitching that men dont do anything about it. Men are attracted to women. Stop trying to make everything sound like men are out to get you. If you put yourself out there a certain way you can't complain about the attention you get. Touching is sexual harassment but looking and wanting to approach you and talk to you is different. Men sexually objectify women, women financially objectify men. That's equality 🙂

[Razp_Sorbet]

I never mentioned any of that stuff did I? You brought it up. You're the one bitching about it.

Can't exactly name anyone because they're in the fucking special forces and their names are kept private. You should know that since you seem so invested in the topic.

Again you're the one that's making it seem like men are out to get women. I'm just questioning what YOU are saying.

[Chthou95]

Im not doing anything but asking a question. But of course instead of actually naming one, you just throw it back at me. No actual rebuttal and just feeling at this point

[Razp_Sorbet]

I've given you nothing but answers. You just can't handle the truth apparently.

[Chthou95]

You've been lied to by feminism sweetie. But of course you'll still deny this

[Razp_Sorbet]

This has nothing to do with feminism. You're just trying to find anything to move the conversation because it's not going your way.

[Chthou95]

Not really. I brought up feminism because feminism can't stop whining about the imaginary patriachy

[Razp_Sorbet]

You've had 0 good come backs to the things I've mentioned but please do continue going off on your pointless ramble

[Chthou95]

They've been debunked. There's nothing else to add here. You keep on responding because you can't accept to take an L on this topic

[Razp_Sorbet]

Yet they haven't 💀 you just started mentioning things I didn't even bring up.

[Chthou95]

Those aren't actual things affecting you. Usually its the wage gap and the gool ole abortion topic feminists bring up when talking about oppression and the patriarchy

[Razp_Sorbet]

Yes they are...

I don't care what's usually brought up? I didn't bring them up so talking about them is irrelevant.

[Chthou95]

And im basically telling you that the things you brought up aren't actually a problem that's affecting you nor other women

[Razp_Sorbet]

You... A man... Is telling me... A woman... That these things are not affecting me? Okay sure.

[Chthou95]

Yup im mansplaining and tell you that the dreaded patriachy doesn't exist. Feminism is brainwashing a lot of young women today and making them think they're victims

[Razp_Sorbet]

You're telling me cold hard facts don't exist? Interesting. I can tell you didn't even bother looking into any of the things I said.

[Razp_Sorbet]

At this point you just look stupid, so I would honestly just give it up.

[Chthou95]

Things that actually affect you, not things you're looking for that you think are affecting you. Big difference

[Razp_Sorbet]

I drive a car, I have breasts, I buy things, I have had medical procedures and probably will in the future, I have had to look for a job and will in the future.

All things that actually affect me and majority of other women.

Did you actually read anything?

[Chthou95]

Wow almost sounds like something normal that most human beings have to do. All women should take stand if it's affecting women that much. Poor girls

[Razp_Sorbet]

... what... Yeah you really just didn't read anything. Those last two brain cells are really holding on tight huh?

[SaoirseS]

Except for some religions, patriarchy in the US doesn't really exist.

[PatriceONeal]

They want victim status to explain away their terrible decisions like abortion and being whores in their 20s

[gorydetails]

Anyone in the west who whines about the “patriarchy” is a loser.

[msc545]

They get victim status and become very popular and often get victim goodies.

[Philyouup]

they are stupid if they think they arnt.