If a lot of women dislike men who sleep around, why do so many of them call a man a virgin as an insult?

[Chthou95]

[egan3141]

Because the ones who use it as an insult are hypocrites with no real foundation in their beliefs. They are controlled be feelings and lack morals.

[LazerBean]

Because they know that being a virgin bothers that particular man, and that is the goal of insulting someone. If a woman thought the guy was attractive, confident, and a virgin by choice, they wouldn't bother trying to insult him by calling him a virgin.

[Chthou95]

Just because a man's unatractive or not a virgin by choice doesn't mean it bothers him. How would you really know?

[LazerBean]

That's like a homosexual asking how somebody knows that they are mentally ill. Everybody can smell when a male would be insulted by being called a virgin, it's obvious.

[Chthou95]

If they're not giving off any signs and are just giving a little pushback on topics or voicing opinions or views that would be labelled controversial you're still not going to really know since there's no actual indicator

[LazerBean]

Again, just as with homosexuals, they are almost always identifiable with very few exceptions.

[Chthou95]

Would you assume that a man that says a bunch of controversial things about women is a virgin?

[MemeSupreme]

but not being a virgin doesn't mean you've slept around lol

[Chthou95]

Sure. But reguardless of what a lot of women say, male virginity will always be seen as something negative because why use it as an insult

[RedTiefling]

Save yourself the headache, just ignore people who act like this.

[BarryLiverstone]

Some virgin guys are desperate and they act in very creepy ways

[Chthou95]

First off how would know he's a virgin or not? Because men who aren't virgins can still be creepy. And second that still implies that women see a virgin ad something negative because why else would you use it as an insult

[Chthou95]

They*

[BarryLiverstone]

Because it’s an insult and she’s tying to make him feel emasculated

[BarryLiverstone]

If he’s acting in a desperate way then saying he’s a virgin is an insult. A virgin who acts in a more healthy way it’s no longer an insult and she’s got no reason to be bothered by him anyway

[Chthou95]

But the women that say that are the very ones that also say that a man that sleeps with a bunch of women is a turn off or gross

[BarryLiverstone]

Of course. Guys who are sluts and sleep with so many girls without any commitment or relationships deserve to be publicly shamed.

[BarryLiverstone]

Why not just be yourself as a guy and not pretend to be what he thinks others want? Girls will respect honest and vulnerable guys much more than cheaters and liars

[Chthou95]

They can say that but the men who sleep around are the ones they sleep with themselves. Mate choice copying selection is a real thing. And you have to somewhat lie to get what you want

[BarryLiverstone]

Putting your best foot forward with a new person is expected, it’s not as much a lie as an omission at times. And if girls are sleeping with slutty guys they can’t say much about it

[Chthou95]

Yeah but there's still some lying invloved. You can't be very honest

[BarryLiverstone]

I can. Ask me anything. You don’t always have to lie

[Chthou95]

You approach a random women with honesty saying hey i would like to take you out and then sleep with you afterwards

[BarryLiverstone]

No. Sex in a future committed relationship is implied. I approach a stranger who I found attractive and will strike up a conversation to see if there is a vibe. I’m not planning to have sex with someone that night, they are still a stranger until it takes time to get to know them

[BarryLiverstone]

But if you want to have sex after a first date, then yes set that expectation. I’d say less than 10% of single ladies would accept that suggestion but if she does say yes at least it’s no surprise. Granted she may be lying as we know people can lie.

[Chthou95]

But how many women are going to be okay with that kind of brutal honesty? Not that many will be okay with it even though it leads to that very thing eventually

[BarryLiverstone]

I already said less than 10%

[BarryLiverstone]

If you had a legal contract that you would sign and said you must stay with a support the woman for 20 years after the date, more would be ok with it

[Chthou95]

Right so men to an certain extent have to lie for things to go further

[BarryLiverstone]

Not lie. Men should have some experience in social interactions and how to make new friends

[Chthou95]

We're not talking about though. We're talking about lying to women to a certain extent to move things further