Why are women so gullible in the world of dating?

[Phunk_Fenomenon]

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women will literally see 100s of red flags on the men they are dating or during the first stage of the relationship yet they will still deny it and resume the joy ride while claiming...

"he sounded sweet at first"
"he looked like a nice guy"
"he was not like this at the beginning"

and many other nonsense that they could think of in order to avoid accountability for their poor choices. this brings me back to a saying my aunt once said and that is...

"new brooms always sweep the best"

and this couldnt be any more true. yet for some odd reason women still seem to not acknowledge this.

[Iron_Man]

They aren’t they know what they’re doing

[Phunk_Fenomenon]

yeap and that is avoiding accountability like always

[Iron_Man]

Yes…

[Sevenpointfive]

you know you CAN live without them

[Phunk_Fenomenon]

I was just curious

[Sevenpointfive]

but here's my answer. all of the guys that sleep around go where there is new prey. the dating apps, the bar or whatever. so they have a lot of experience and this is the top 10% of available good looking successful men. poor guys don't hang out at those places. but they should. it's like $50 for two drinks. have a decent place or do it in the car. that's a lot cheaper to pretend to be successful than spend a lot on dates. i digress. the women at these places are like the men or are golddiggers. actually it's all of them because there are only two or three places usually. if they don't trust a guy at some point then they aren't doing what they are there to do. find a guy. so they have to be gullible to their own detriment. thank you for listening.

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

Didn't this same question already get posted like today or yesterday by someone else?

I will still give the same answer i gave them though. Stop blaming women all the time and excusing men for being manipulative assholes.

We aren't mind readers who know the intention of everyone out there. EVERYONE has some sort of red flag. If we based it on that, nobody would date. It's about mitigating the negative and hoping the positive outweighs it. Those guys fail to be actual men when they use women's emotions against us.

[Phunk_Fenomenon]

I'm sorry but if you if you are an adult and you are still falling for the games "manipulative assholes" play then that is your fault.

you also dont need to be a mind reader to detect red flags, just like you dont need to be Steve Irwim in order to know if an animal you come across is a threat to you or not

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

How are we supposed to see all those red flags if they are being manipulative though? And again, you aren't calling out the behavior of men, just blaming women for not being savvy to it.

So now more woman are choosing not to be in relationships or having kids and suddenly we are getting shamed for causing the "male loneliness epidemic".

How are we supposed to win when the odds are stacked against us?

[Phunk_Fenomenon]

is extremely easy.

if what he tells you sounds too good to be true then there is a major possibility that it is.

if he sounds like your ex (who might of also been manipulative) then you should see it coming

f he takes you out on a date and you notice that he does not respect the waitress then it won't be long until he starts to treat you the same

does he make you question your sanity whenever you guys lock horns? then this is enough to bail out before its too late.

and wow I never heard of this "male loneliness epidemic." if anything we men, the majority of us have decided to bail out on relationships way before you women did thanks to Mgtow and the Manosphere back in the 2010s.

a lot of us prefer being alone and enjoy our single lives then to be against women who have high ass standard and will use divorce, child support and many other government scheme to steal everything from us. talk about "odds are stacked against us"

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

Then you haven't been paying attention. It's made it to main stream news at this point. Male loneliness epidemic and how birth rates are falling and blaming women for it.

And as for "high ass standards", we are expected to look our best even after marriage because if our looks fade then he starts to look elsewhere. After a certain age, some fantasize about younger women and others just act on that urge. We are expected to bounce back from pregnancy and give him sex during pregnancy and soon after having the child even though we are the ones up late, sick, tired, and recovering. We are expected to hold a job, be the primary childcare and do a majority of the house chores in a lot of cases. It's no wonder we get burned out at times and want a divorce. We are just taking care of another child at that point.

[Phunk_Fenomenon]

ok, either way “Male loneliness” doesn’t mean anybody is forcing women to date men, lower their standards, have children, or become somebody’s maid. at least be thankful about that.

Falling birth rates on the other hand are also far more complicated than “men blaming women” for the fact that our economy sucks ass right now and Housing costs, delayed marriage, changing priorities, contraception, education, work, and people simply choosing fewer children all play a role.

you are also catastrophizing a collection of worst-case assumptions: husbands inevitably lusting after younger women, women being expected to immediately “bounce back” after pregnancy, men demanding sex immediately after childbirth, and every wife doing nearly all the housework. Those things can happen, but anecdotes and stereotypes aren’t evidence that this is every marriage or every man.

You’re completely entitled to decide marriage or motherhood isn’t worth the trade-offs for you. Men are equally entitled to decide modern dating or marriage isn’t worth the trade-offs for them. Neither sex owes the other a relationship.

Ironically, that’s one possible response to male loneliness: stop treating romantic relationships as something men are entitled to or require for a meaningful life. Build friendships, health, finances, interests, community, and purpose instead.

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

Oh I know those other things contribute but those men want to blame women for "being so picky and having too high of standards" when another subset of men accuse us of not having standards and dating "bad boys". We can't win, can we?

And you aren't making your list the worst things ever? As if women just sit around planning an eventual divorce while planning a wedding. Of how to fleece a guy with... child support? Did I get that right? Taking care of your child is somehow the woman's fault? Make that one make sense.

I do agree that NOBODY is entitled to a relationship or another person's body. Maybe explain it to those incels out there who demonize women for having the audacity of not being with them.

[Phunk_Fenomenon]

You keep whining about “other men” instead of addressing what I’m saying. I’m not responsible nor do I care about what incels, men who blame women, or anybody who thinks women should lower their standards think.

Women can date whoever they want. but we men can also decide whether dating isn’t worth the effort and build lives that don’t revolve around female approval. Those two ideas are completely compatible.

And no, saying a man should take responsibility for his own child is not the same thing as saying a woman’s role is to be his unpaid caretaker. You’re taking individual bad examples and turning them into a general theory of men and relationships.

If your position is “women don’t owe men relationships,” I agree. But the reverse is also true: men don’t owe women pursuit, marriage, validation, or participation in a dating culture they don’t want.

That’s the part you seem unwilling to grant.

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

No, you only seem to have one train of thought you are running this narrative with and that's "blame women". You are taking individual bad examples and turning them into a theory about all women.

See how that works in reverse?

I have no problem if guys dont want to date or get married. Just have those guys stop blaming us for all their loneliness issues when it works is all I am saying.

There will still be plenty of men out there who won't buy into the idea women are all blind to red flags, that women are the enemy, or that they don't want to pursue relationships with women. Those will be the guys getting lasting relationships.

[Phunk_Fenomenon]

I’ve already said women are free to have whatever standards they want, and nobody is entitled to a relationship. I’ve also said men are free to decide dating or marriage isn’t worth pursuing.

If your argument is merely “some lonely men unfairly blame women,” then fine, I never argue against that. But that doesn’t refute male loneliness, and it doesn’t mean every man who opts out of dating hates women.

And “the men who disagree with you will be the ones getting lasting relationships” is just a prediction, not an argument. Some people will marry, some won’t, some marriages will succeed, some won’t. None of that changes the principle of voluntary participation.

anyways, I asked this question out of curiosity as I already know the answer and you just became concrete evidence of my answer. not sure if this was intentional in your part or not

[Ez-Bri-Z_v2]

So are you implying that you are a walking red flag with this question and I somehow walked right into it or are you just talking our of your ass?

[Phunk_Fenomenon]

no, that scenario is totally invalid for the fact that we are obviously not dating one another. and please lets drop the strawman tactics for now.

anyways the real answer is that women are not actually gullible. they know what they are getting their asses into when they get cornered and emotionally attached to a "manipulative asshole" as you say.

the reason why the statements of...

"I didn't knew he was maipulative"

"he was nice at first"

"he manipulated me!"

"he tricked me"

come out after its too late and they been severely abused its because women love avoiding something called ACCOUNTABILITY