The Disposability Of Males

[Riggers]

In a society, where Feminism is making it out that men are born privileged, And have natural advantage. The 'Male Disposability' is massively overlooked. This is not some rant, rather a take about how men, are naturally in society, considered almost 'expendable' and why they are naturally decided, as the ones who should do the dirty work.

To understand why this is, We need to look back, WAY back, at when our Specie only began to emerge. You see, back then, there as a simple logic.

Men were hunters.

Women were gatheres.

For those who don't know, This mean's that men, Would build shelter, Hunt prey for food, Explore, Things that would put their lives in active danger.. Whilst the females would cook said food, take care of children, trade with other humans, Things would NOT put their lives in active danger.

The simple reason for this is, Is not because there was any form of oppression against women, And not because men felt they were 'better' then females, but quite simply, women are MORE VALUABLE in regards to reproduction.

You see, a single male, can impregnate multiple females PER DAY, whereas a female, can only be impregnated once PER 9+ Months!.

So quite simply, this means that the men wanted to protect the women and keep them out of danger, not because they felt it upon themselves they were better and women didn't deserve to do anything else, but because, they had to protect the women for the survival of our specie.

So, Why is the relevent you are asking ?
Well, The simple fact is, Nothing has really changed since back then.

Men account for 93% of workplace fatalities and accidents, simply because, it is more socially acceptable for a man to hold a job which presents danger to his life, then it is for a women.

Why do you think men make up nearly 99% of the workforce in regards to Industry, Construction, Military, Mining, Lumbering etc. All jobs which are the most dangerous in civilization.

When a war breaks out, Who gets drafted and is expected to fight to the death to protect their nation ? MEN. It is only like how back when we began as a specie. Men would have to protect their tribe, to make sure the females survived long enough to carry on their genes.

When a ship sinks, Who gets on the lifeboats first? WOMEN AND CHILDREN (Girls over boys). Why? Because they are more valuable in regards to reproduction.

So, Next time you stop and think to yourself, That men are naturally born privellaged, Just remember, When Shiz hits the fan, They are expected to die for your safety.

Have a lovely day.

[Azara]

women were not in a home they were part of a clan and everyone pitched in. no one 'stayed at home' we were nomads walking over ten miles a day., there were no magical boundaries or sanctuaries where no animal or enemy dare to tread or attack., life was dangerous not less so if you're a woman protecting her child, and not being able to fight would have meant death. women would be just as trained in warfare as men.

everyone was all over the place and gathering could involve traveling miles away from cave or gathering while on route to another cave., including to get life saving medicals. and always involved potential danger.

having a kid doesn't mean sitting by the hearth. you can carry a kid and you can leave your kid with the guy who doesn't feel like going out or the guy who can't run but can walk., some people watched kids others hunted others gathered.. kids old enough went out and gathered. there's no 'safety' you can get attacked or eaten anytime. everyone would have to be able to protect themselves and the clan children.

meat was not the main part of the diet. our ancestors had 10 times the amount of fiber we have today... that doesn't come from 'meat'. they also walked over ten miles a day. you need carbohydrates to keep up with your energy requirements. you can't digest a diet made of mostly animal protein. the ';gathering' done largely by women and children, which included small hunted animals, vegetation nuts seeds berries medicine and constant threats of attack, made up 67 % of the diet. daily caloric requirements.

in any modern prehistoric styled tribe, women have been found to be responsible for building houses and making tools. I don't know where you decided men did that.,

and if all the womb, en were sitting around who do you think carried the mammoth back to the cave? the people hunting carrying their weapons? obviously you need moist ofd the group to be involved. there wasn't any cab service,.

and with invasions, if all women did was peaceful activity then they'd be sure as dead. you're appropriating a mythical idea of prehistory off of 1950s upper middle class pro scripted culture.

more women died/ die in childbirth than people die in battle. women sacrifice their lives by bringing life into the world. men sacrifice their lives by destroying other lives. thats something to fight against. being used as cannon fodder. not against feminism. if feminism disappeared poor men and now women would still be dying for middle aged rich people.

[Azara]

its called casuistry by the way, inventing a past based on the portent with which to justify the present.

[Jonwhilkins]

I've heard some pretty misleading stuff from people and differently from academic studies surrounding the Paleolithic period. Namely less gender roles and definitely no social classes. This means women could be hunters too, even if not the majority, no specific pre-disposition has been mentioned. Even so, mostly the hunters would come up empty handed and we'd just eat whatever the gatherers provided anyway.

If there was ever a time with least amount of gender roles, it was in an era before agriculture, before populations could soar, before complex organization was needed.

The only sociology and history I've read was related to engineering, so I'm not a credited sociologist. This article isn't either though, so I guess it's ok to give this take on it.

Sources:
Science and Technology in World History: An Introduction, by McClellan and Dorn
and "The Cupped Hand" by Bosse Sundin (man has some religious views I don't care for, but the first chapter was an easy read)

[Octavius]

Modern technology with drone strikes and greater air assaults have basically guaranteed that the draft probably will never return. In the U. S. volunteer rates for the military are so high that there are just not enough jobs for all the people that are joining. Many are being put on the reserves even though they want full time deployment.

[Riggers]

the US has about 5,000-7,000 UAV's, About 7-10% of which are actually capable of carrying weaponry, And 3-5% of which can only carry a couple of Hellfire ATG Missiles... Not exactly devasting firepower... the amount of weaponry on a drone is shit compared to the amount on piloted vehicles, Drones are spyplanes, Not warplanes.
And, In the event of a Full scale international war, I cam gurantee a draft would be implemented, And, You do realise, In quite a large majority of countries, Military service is not optional, you HAVE to do it.

[Octavius]

Yep like Israel. But women also have to join the military at 18. Everyone that has is physically healthy at 18 has to.

[ImaSloth]

Infantry will always be needed, UAV's would be useless against a modern army like Russia.

[thatkaruguy]

if ww3 happens a draft will 99.99% happen

[kxera]

The rate in workplace isn't higher because men get hired more often, but men impregnating multiple women doesn't mean they're trying to make them safe and care. That doesn't even make sense, but I do agree that people get so caught up in trying to be powerful that they forget others have disadvantages as well.

[thatkaruguy]

if the woman is at home taking care of the kids she is safe because your home is safe but that wasn't the point really.

[kxera]

That doesn't make her safe. Home with the kids means not only she but the kids are in danger if someone breaks in. @thatkaruguy Plus you don't need kids to be "safe at home"

[thatkaruguy]

the reason you dont understand the point is because you took it out of context. if the cave woman is at home she is safe. kids are an incentive to stay home.

[kxera]

@thatkaruguy okay but we're not in caves times any more. And I didn't miss the point. I just don't agree 100%

[thatkaruguy]

and thats where you missed the second point. a woman is more useful in the reproductive scheme than a man is. if you have 100 men and 1 girl you can only have 1 baby every 9 months. i you have 100 women and 1 man you can have 100 babies every nine months. thats why the op saying men are seen as more disposable and are the ones that do the more dangerous stuff.

[kxera]

@thatkaruguy I don't need you explaining what I already read. That part is obvious but not what I was disagreeing with

[honeybones]

I liked it :) it's quite true... I'm in a sense anti feminist but I see your pov as just simply expressing the fact that men in a sense risk themselves more and aren't what most feminist refer go as "privelleged". Nice my take :)

[honeybones]

The title makes me sad tho :( I like men... I don't like to think of them as disposable objects :( but if you look at it men are considered less valuable because we are more vulnerable and valued for reproduction and stuff... But tbh let's applaud both men and women because without one another we wouldn't be here... Also I'd like to thank all the men who have risked their lives to protect us, I may not represent all women, especially not the feminist radicals, but MEN ARE AWESOME!! :) thanks :)

[Unit1]

Very touching from you! Thanks!

[FatherJack]

Thank you for your support ( from an ex soldier ) It's great to see young women not be brainwashed into hating men by the feminazi loonies , fact is we are viewed as & often treated as below excreta in today's Western society. By not being blinded by hate you will go far in life...& I hope you do !!

[honeybones]

Thank you all for the sweet comments. May you all be successful in life and may happiness and peace and tranquility fill your mind and spirit. :)

[Unit1]

Excellent take! All quite sad and yet so true. However today even girls are allowed to join the military. I think only a few minor things have changed up to today but not much either.

We are robots. We are disposable. We don't care. Do we?
All wrong. We are humans as much as the girls are.

[shessoheavy]

Dude what is up with the anti-feminist stuff. We have talked before, and we shared a lot in common. I am just curious because we come from the same point of view, and I am a feminist.

[Riggers]

I'm not anti feminist, but, I am against radical feminists

[shessoheavy]

Well I agree with that, not sure if we define radical feminism as the same thing. I know that I am a feminist because of my ace experiences. I am not the most masculine man, and that is still shamed in society. I always tried to be more masculine than I actually am. While I don't think i would have been able to completely avoid this without knowing about ace stuff, male femininity should not be shamed. To me gender equality would benefit everyone. that is why I am a feminist.

[Riggers]

There is a fine line between equality and men hating, and modern day feminism seems to be playing about with that line :/.

[shessoheavy]

to me the best measure of feminist groups is whether or not they are inclusive to men and trans people. They are extremes in every well intended place.

[juliaanita]

Interesting thoughts. I only point out that, while men account for 93% of workplace fatalities and accidents, women account for 100% of the fatalities while giving birth.

[Riggers]

Well no shit? xD. Thats completely irrelevent tho xD.

[TheSpartan]

There were 700 pregnancy-related deaths in 2014 (using the CDCs rate of 17.8 deaths per 100,000 pregnancies and a total live birth count of 3,932,181). The total workplace death count in 2013 was 4,405.
https://www.bls.gov/iif/
www.cdc.gov/.../pmss.html

[juliaanita]

Not at all irrelevant. Do you not think that that we all have our roles in propagating and maintaining the species, each of which is as dangerous as the other? My thanks to those who would protect us, fight battles for us, explore for us. But thanks also to those of my gender who risk their lives in childbirth and give their lives to their children. I think the sacrifice that women make for society is often undervalued and underappreciated.

[Riggers]

Again, Why is that in anyway relevent to my take? 0_o. I never denied women died in childbirth?

[Riggers]

*Shit, Ignore that comment @TheSpartan. I thought you were the the commenter ;P)

[juliaanita]

My point exactly, Spartan. 17.8/100,000 deaths related to pregnancy as opposed to 4405/121000000 (number of full time workers) workplace deaths. I am thinking that being pregnant is much more dangerous in the USA than working full time by an order of a 1000.

[Fugue]

"My point exactly, Spartan. 17.8/100,000 deaths related to pregnancy as opposed to 4405/121000000 (number of full time workers) workplace deaths. I am thinking that being pregnant is much more dangerous in the USA than working full time by an order of a 1000."

For these proportions to matter, we have to account for the proportion between the genders, which are about equal, not the proportion between the participants in each category. In a gender based comparison, we don't discount the women that didn't give birth nor the men that don't work in dangerous jobs. Bottom line is more men die at work than women die giving birth, by 4,405*.99 to 700.

[juliaanita]

Fugue, think about this with me: It makes no sense to include those who are not participants in a statistical group. You are not in danger of being a victim of a workplace death unless you (man or woman) are a member of the workforce. You are not in danger of dying in childbirth unless you are a pregnant woman. (by the way, only one those groups is gender specific, which makes your hypothesis unworkable, but that is another story)

It makes no sense to include all of the possible/probable, even improbable participants, because it will give a false analysis. Does your participant pool include babies? Yes it does, since you include everyone of both genders. But babies don't work so they aren't going to die in a workplace accident. They can't get pregnant so they won't die is childbirth. So , to gain a valid result, one must use only the true and active participants of the thing they are trying to analyze. Correct me if I am wrong.

[thatkaruguy]

what are you even on about opinion owner?

[juliaanita]

Not "on" anybody for anything. Just trying to have a polite and edifying conversation.

[OreoTheif]

Are we forgetting that men would also bash helpless poor cave women head in with rocks and stuff? They're so mean!

[Riggers]

I really hope your joking... -_-.

[OreoTheif]

No. I am serious!

[Riggers]

Seriously stupid sure...
I am not even joking here, i have been on this site for many months now, and i have seen a lot of stupid bulshit that women come out with to make guys look bad, but seriously, this is quite possibly the most retarded thing i have seen yet...
I seriously hope you are being sarcastic... noone can be that stupid.

[OreoTheif]

Wow, you're such a jerk. I bet you have lots of people who like you.

[Riggers]

I just cannot even comprehend why you even had that idea?
Did you just make it up ?, You actually believe men would for no reason what so ever just go round randomly bashing womens heads in with rocks? 0_o... What a silly thing to say.
And no, I'm not a jerk, I just dont like it when people lie and brand all men evil by saying ''Theyre so mean''...

[Doffydood]

Not to rain on your parade or anything. but do you have solid evidence for that, or did you just assume it?
www.independent.co.uk/.../...logists-10251956.html

[Doffydood]

(Oops, that was meant to be a comma)

[Anonymous]

Men > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Women.

[TheSpartan]

This is all common sense. Though, bravo, because common sense is uncommon.

[Riggers]

You'd be surprised how much common sense is lacking on the internet tho dude ;P.
I just wanted to point this out, For all those who fail to realise where humans came from, and why shit works as it does ;).

[TheSpartan]

And this is, of course, why men tend to get paid more on average. Our jobs tend to be more dangerous, so we get paid more as a result.

[Riggers]

^^^^^^^^^^^ This, Is what all these feminists claming ''men get paid more'' fail to fuckin realise xD. We get paid more on average, Because we have more fucking dangerous jobs ;P

[hypno-trip]

yea i agree good work RIggers you are smart and us guys get hard stuff to deal with too yes...

[apexalpha]

nature has taken into account of this with world wide
male to female birth ratio being 1.05:1

[Bonnie12I27I12]

someone finally said it. thank you.

[Not_Helping]

Human history is not so black and white.