Men, are you a MGTOW?

[YvanKarma]

Yes

No

No, but i might become

yes, no, still hoping a miracle happens

[Texaskid1]

Yes.

But not out of anger or resentment but out of self-preservation. At work I avoid the females as much as I can since I fear that anything I say or do around them can be misconstrued and I don't want one of them running off to human resources because I made a little chit with her for 2 minutes or complimented her earnings or whatever. Also , not only does one have to worry about having something misconstrued but also about out right false sexual harassment or even sexual assault allegations.

Out side of work it is the same thing: I don't approach women unless I have some business to take care of and even at that I keep it short and simple. When I am done I say "thank for your help" and I keep moving. If I am at the gym or at a bar I do not interact with the females. Many women are dishonest and have no problem falsely accusing a man of something. I avoid marriage and dating like the plague too. Marriage is just a contract you sign with the state that says your women now owns half your shit and she can wipe you out any time she wants.

Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against women on a personal level. When I do interact with them I am polite and distant. I am the way that I am with women out of self-preservation. Nothing more

[DWornock]

You are telling it like it is. However, women will resent you for telling the truth about things they don't want men to know.

[normalice]

mgtow is just another millennial entitlement movement and/or russian divisive tool. Bunch of dudes who feel entitled to girls who want to take care of their penises for free and are actually disappointed and angry when they find out no one wants to dedicate their time to serving them.

[Texaskid1]

Nope.

It is just a form of self preservation.

[DWornock]

Just another white knight trying to score points with women.

[Texaskid1]

@DWornock Why would I want to score points with women?

[Texaskid1]

Opps!! Wrong question to ask. I did not see your other comment.

[Texaskid1]

My bad

[TheLeeyo]

Just shut the fuck up you Ignorant dummy

The MGTOW ideology has been around for much of history
Eg
Wilbur said "I can't have time for a wife and a plane"
It's just Societal pressures that has been holdin em back
Men don't need women to be "entitled" to then in the first place

[normalice]

Its all in the name. Men "going" their own way. Its never Men "who have already gone" their own way. They are in a perpetual state of announcing their departure without ever actually leaving. Such a classic "please pay attention to me" move 😂

[TheLeeyo]

You're actually the one that talked about em first
So your statement is both hypocritical and false
I only attack that which you commented about em
You obviously have no rational argument
to come back with now

So long...

[normalice]

Don't be stupid. The question asked about them first.

[TheLeeyo]

Then I only came a refutes a false answer to the question given by a retard.

[normalice]

You should create your own opinion if you want to call the question asker a retard. It's not really any of my business. Though I will say your obvious history of being abused by your mom is pouring out of your every word when you resort to such namecalling.

[TheLeeyo]

Lol

I've never been abused by my mom number 1

Anyone that twists concepts and philosophies is of course a straight up demented retard.

[normalice]

It's okay. You're safe here. Did she neglect you? Is the rejection too much?

[TheLeeyo]

Nope

But you sure they never harvested your brain after birth?

[normalice]

There's just no other explanation for why you would be so triggered by this. If it were an incel thing you'd think you'd try to steer the conversation in that direction. But instead all you want to do is be whinny and defensive. I can't think of a good reason for that other than mommy issues.

[TheLeeyo]

T"here's just no other explanation for why you would be so triggered by this."
I wasn't actually "triggered" by anythin
I only love attacking people that love to lie or make strawmen worse than a scarecrow factory

"If it were an incel thing you'd think you'd try to steer the conversation in that direction."

Lol
Incel is of course a buzz word used when one knows he/she will loye, is losing or has lost a gender related argument

"But instead all you want to do is be whinny and defensive./."
I didn't actually "whine" here
Just another nonsense
As I said
I love brutally attackin liars, especially white knight mentality Laura

"I can't think of a good reason for that other than mommy issues."
Says a brain harvested orphan lol🚮

[normalice]

This is like your tenth attempt to whine, in an opinion that would otherwise have nothing to do with you, with petty ad homenim attacks. I don't know why it's got you so triggered, but I'm guessing it's because nothing irritates an insecure person more than being accurately described.

[TheLeeyo]

Nothin irritates a person that havin their lies exposed
You actually used an ad hominem on MGTOW first

[normalice]

It's only ad homenim if it is unrelated to the topic - an attack on character, that is, can not be ad homenim when the question asked was about character in the first place.

[TheLeeyo]

The question was
"Men are you MGTOW?"

[normalice]

Ah yes. But again, it's not ad homenim if it's accurate and relevant.

[TheLeeyo]

Wtf

Your comment was both inaccurate and totally irrelevant

[normalice]

The question was if we are mgtow. The simple answer if "no" fails to cover the minimum character requirements so I also explained why I'm not by describing mgtow accurately.

[TheLeeyo]

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The question was if we are mgtow. The simple answer if "no" fails to cover the minimum character requirements so I also explained why I'm not by describing mgtow accurately."

And your perception is dead wronz

[TheLeeyo]

... Dead Wrong

[normalice]

But it isn't dead wrong. You've spent the last several days going out of your way to demonstrate how right it is, in fact.

[TheLeeyo]

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mgtow is just another millennial entitlement movement and/or russian divisive tool. Bunch of dudes who feel entitled to girls who want to take care of their penises for free and are actually disappointed and angry when they find out no one wants to dedicate their time to serving them"

How does any of your false assertions gets prooven by my comments
Draw reasonable connections lemme see

[normalice]

Because you got triggered by them. People don't get as defensive as you have about something ridiculous. They do it when it's spot on.

[dancing_in_nebulas]

Where the fuck are they going?

That's all I wanna ask when a guy declares that...

[YvanKarma]

It has nothing to do with where they are doing lol

[YvanKarma]

Going

[dancing_in_nebulas]

Lol I know, its just a weird phrase

[YvanKarma]

Supposedly yeah

[Anonymous]

Mgtow is just the male version of feminism

[Shamalien]

In a sense yeah, but it must be noted that mgtow is a reaction to feminism. Despite what you've been told as a kid, it DOES matter who started it, they are the only ones who can fix it. If you saw feminism disappear tomorrow, so too would mgtow

[Opinion Owner]

How do mgtow will fix anything?

[Shamalien]

It's not really about fixing something so much as not getting hurt by a system that was not setup in your interests. MGTOW is a temporary solution, a kind of strike if you will, and hopefully the ladies wake up and realize what is happening. Like I said, only women can fix this, you'll find your solution in that community.

[Opinion Owner]

Mgtow will only please womans nature. Good looking aka chads and attractive men dont go mgtow 'cause they dont profit from it. So women can easily reach to these men. Also mgtow will increase the number of promiscuos men and women 'cause mgtow men would only sleep with women and dump them. I also heard that a person with a little high body count can't pair bond with its potential partner anymore. So mgtow will only support the hook up culture

[Shamalien]

It is unfortunate that this is the current reaction, but what should men do? If you can't find a woman worth investing in, and believe me, many invest in the best they can and it's still a fking disaster, what do we do?

I don't really see mgtow as the answer and I'm not one of them really, I just go my own way in my own way, no community for me. I'd love to find a girl worth committing to, but when I get close to someone as a friend or otherwise I speak my mind, and my mind is offensive to the gender as a whole. The number one pre requisite for a girl in my books is that she understands and admits that her gender is targeted by brainwashing techniques far, far more than men, and that she is doing her best to actively resist that brainwashing.

[Opinion Owner]

First of all, all sexist laws (-compulsory military service only for men, biased court against men, alimony after divorce, etc.) against men should change. Then in schools there should be a sexuality class which teach girls and boys to respect each other.

[Shamalien]

Hmmm... I mean no, what you said is retarded, but I think I can kind of see where you are coming from...

Here's the thing. Men defend and provide for women, it is our instinct. In return we expect loyalty and love. These are the requirements that need to be met and I think school and the government as a whole have done NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING good for our two genders in terms of these expectations being fulfilled.

The real solution is so bloody simple, we've done it before in the past as a society and we need to do it again. Women who have casual sex are shamed, and as a whole, we encourage women not to engage in casual sex.

Why do we target women instead of men? For the same reason feminist propaganda targets them. You only need to convince women. We could waste our time trying to target both men and women, or we could just target women and convince them to stop having casual sex, which means that both men and women are effected. Just like how the result of feminism (telling women they should have casual sex) ended in a massive increase in both genders having casual sex.

Call it sexist or w/e but this is the solution, all the bearded old men know it and some of the grannies as well XD listen to your elders

[Texaskid1]

Nope.

MGTOW is just men protecting ourselves.

[lucas262]

1st thing 1st mgtow is not a movement its. Philosophy.

It means different things to different people.

Its taking the red pill and seeing how deep the rabbit hole is.

You learn about male and female psychology, the law of attraction, divorce courts, sociology, the sexual market place value,

What iv learned is there is a picture society paints for you to believe it is and there is the way it actually is, we where all sold a huge lie male and female,

Being an anti feminist is part of it but its a symptom of a bigger problem and yes once you learn how you where played you get pissed off, and some people can not channel their rage and they take the black pill of dispair. The rage passes you get sad you can't change things then you decide to take yourself out of the equation and work on yourself and learn to protect yourself.

Men and women have gotten a huge raw deal that someone somewhere drew up. people say they hate women iv come to realize its not womens fault nessaccarly, their nature is what it is, it is when you entitle anyone's nature and have the law and government back it up to an uneven level that it becomes problem. So you can't hate someone for their nature, and it being used against them.

[GuidoThePizzaMaker]

Men need to stop going their own way, and go God's way <3
haha I am not. I udnerstand the plight of men who have been let down by women and used by women, I think this is an unhealthy reaction to it.
Although its coupled with some good things, like self-improvement and self-worth. Ultimately its bad, because it demeans women and belittles male-female relationships

[AuroraRoseat]

I’m hoping that MGTOW will make themselves known (as in names) so women can know who not to pursue or casually sleep with. It also whittles down the dating pool so the least attractive individuals (physics and personality) are removed. It is highly beneficial towards straight/bi women and men

[grega239]

So women know who not to pursue...
Women do that?

[AuroraRoseat]

@grega239 You don’t know that women asking men out is increasing? It’s nowhere near where men are but it’s slowly getting there.

I also meant pursue as in “decide to go out with”.

[grega239]

No I don't know that. But then again I was never popular enough for that to happen

[Shamalien]

I mean women shouldn’t casually sleep with anyone if they respect themselves... and honestly, a mgtow would be the diamond in the rough for any woman willing to put the kind of effort into a relationship that mgtow were looking for but didn't see in society, causing them to shy away from the whole scene.

[AuroraRoseat]

It’s none of your business what a woman or anyone wants to do and has nothing to do with self respect and all to do with your judgmental preconceived notions being projected onto others.

There is nothing sympathetic about MGTOW. You can move along and spout that nonsense to someone else.

[grega239]

True. It's no one's business what anyone wants to do. But it will also be no one else's business when the consequences of that doing catch up.
I know several people with this mindset and several of them have already ruined their lives bcs of it.

But as you said it's not my business.

[AuroraRoseat]

@grega239 No one was talking to you. I was talking to the other poster.

And of course they should understand that some people may be displeased by their actions. They can move on and find plenty of people who don’t care... and there are a lot.

[Shamalien]

I think you misunderstand. I never said they couldn't, or that I'm going to pass legislation to stop them from doing so, all I said was that they SHOULD not, assuming they respect themselves (which they don't, if they are engaging in that kind of behavior). This is a fact, and I don't care what anyone, including you, thinks about it.

Do whatever you want, that is your business, but I have told you how it is, do with that fact whatever you please, ignore it if you please, it's not my business what you do with your life.

[shinka1y234]

@grega239 how do they ruin their life by sleeping around hahaha

[shinka1y234]

@Shamalien do you also think like that for men too or men can sleep around without getting judged?

[Shamalien]

@shinka1y234 The fact that men can sleep around without getting judged is just another evil byproduct of our shitty, regressive society. Men should be shamed for taking advantage of these foolish women who do not know enough to act in their own best interests, they are like children being manipulated for sex.

I wasn't talking about getting judged anyway though, I was talking about what is in one's best interests. Men and women are different, biologically speaking, if a woman has sex and doesn't get commitment, she and her child die, that is how it works in nature. If a man has sex and doesn't get commitment, his genes probably end up living on anyway in another woman's tummy. This is why society leveraged women's instincts to control sexuality and allow us to have stable long term relationships and raise children properly.

Assuming you read all that, you'll understand that to pull this mess of a civilization back together, we need to return to the old ways where women are the gatekeepers of sex and trade it in exchange for marriage.

Once you get to your 30s/40s you will be seeing the fallout of women's bad decisions among your friends and acquaintances. Aurora is sadly in denial, and some of em stay like that well into their 40s/50s and beyond, and with her stubbornness, a trait that would otherwise serve her well, she could very well end up becoming one of those.

TL; DR it is not beneficial for either gender to engage in casual sex in a civilized society.

[shinka1y234]

Dont worry I am going to marry a virgin man

[grega239]

@shinka1y234 bcs they party all the time , take drugs and sleep around. Then they get. The reputation of a slut and the effects of drugs becomes visible. And can only get "partners " who are like them.
Or they get accidentally pregnant bcs and I quote the woman who said this" I thought coke prevents pregnancy"

Shit like that

[shinka1y234]

It is still their lifes. They dont hurt anyone. What is the point of hating on them?

[grega239]

I don't. But it's difficult to listen to them complain about it when it's their own fault

[Lliam]

Hahahaha. No. I think women are generally awesome. Some are assholes, just as are some men, but that doesn't make me bitter. I am not a victim. My masculinity is fully intact and that is, in great part, to the wonder of females.

[SomeGuyCalledTom]

This is what the MGTOW logic misses: feminine women BRING OUT more of man's masculinity. It's like they cut off their nose to spite their face.

[Lliam]

Bingo, SomeGuyCalledTom. You get it. :-)

[SuperManiac]

I don't think so. I mean I do like going my own way and being independent, but I'm married and happily and I like women (including as friends). I'm not sure what MGTOW means exactly but I thought it was like a separatist movement for men, or men who are dead set against marriage, or something like this.

[SuperManiac]

[...] I'm not sure what MGTOW means exactly [not the acronym stands for but what exactly makes a guy a MGTOW] [...]

[SuperManiac]

I do dislike feminism when it goes way beyond equal rights and towards trying too much to focus on broad overview changes to society over individual responsibility. I like the Amelia Earhart type of feminism over the type that wants to make taxes higher on men to try to equalize economic outcomes, e. g.

[DWornock]

Women are too dangerous; it's not worth getting involved.

[Badballie]

@DWornock no young man because, their many rotten eggs in the dish, but if chosen wisely, It will do you well. the cliche "behind every successful man IS a woman" is true I can say that as I have experienced it, but it also works the other way around.

[DWornock]

@Badballie, Of course, there are success stories, but the risk is quite great. And, it is a nice-sounding cliche, but there are plenty of successful men that are not married.

[Anonymous]

I myself am not MGTOW but I agree with their message in general.
I have many friends who are (Note that there is a difference between men who refuse to be a females provider and protector at the determent of his own self and a the pathetic basement dwellers who most people use as a scapegoat to shame actual MGTOWs)

If my wife ever decided to leave I would become MGTOW, but I have one of the few unicorns who doesn't try to change me (because I stopped that early on), we have separate bank accounts and I control my money, she hasn't become a dumpy sloth after having children, etc.

[andreasderjuengere]

No.
Because:
This letter combination 'code' is too stereotypical from my point of view.
I am too individualistic to allow being put into a category.
I do go my own way (in a way (sic!)) - but I plot the course by myself, and in harmony with my partner's course.

[SomeGuyCalledTom]

No I'm not, although it's been a while since I've really dated. Should get back out onto the single's scene really. Just been focused on career and shit lately. But then, I told myself the same thing like 2 years ago, sooo maybe I'm just lying to myself at this point and am just afraid to start off at "ground zero" again. But I would never go MGTOW, coz I just adore women too much (the good ones at least, not the liers, cheats, etc)

[Shamalien]

I like the literal definition of the term, but it’s taken on some nasty meaning in recent years. I’ve always been going my own way, not that I wouldn’t date a nice girl if I saw one but I think women as a whole are so brainwashed that it’s mostly a lost cause, especially at my age. So fking sad... so I’ll just focus on the life investments that actually pay off, like skill building

[DWornock]

Women or feminists don't have any power on their own. They are just supported by our masters that own the media and the politicians. It is hard to know what their agenda is, but probably to make war and murder millions of citizens in other countries and for all children to be raised by single mothers and supported by the men.

[stuntbrain]

Going your own way as part of a group doesn't make any sense

[GreciaJackson]

So that’s what it means!
I don’t really have an opinion.

[sejla]

It means Men Going Their Own Way.

[GreciaJackson]

@sejla yeah that’s what I realized what it meant, thanks

[YHL6965]

No because I believe there are a lot of quality women out there, even if we hear a lot about the bad ones.

[ChiTown33]

I'm not sure how to answer that as i've largely always went my own way. Occasionally i meet a woman in that direction.

[Passinggas]

I am set and have all I need and do what I want and no woman is running my life. Might be, but I don't like to belong to anything.

[Browneye57]

Naw... married now over forty years. Just love having a female companion.
MGTOW is for guys that simply cannot cope.

[adolescentswede]

Not really i am mostly doing the same thing my parents did but with internet

[loveslongnails]

MGTOW is for faggots and sissies who can't handle a real woman. So, that would be a NO !! A big, fat fucking NO !!! Bring on the WOMEN !!

[Liam_Hayden]

No. MGTOW have some wisdom when it comes to the potential dangers of marriage and living together and on planning for one's own future, but the All Women Are Like That stuff comes from the same mentality as racism does.

[grega239]

Well Im. looking for a small apartment and I bought a PlayStation 4 so I guess I am... kinda.