Would it be a red flag to date a guy who doesn't like/believe in feminism?

[Anonymous]

He doesn't like it at all. I would say I'm a little bit a feminist. Not full blown but I don't want to get stuck with a misogynistic dude. I told him that I like Susan b Anthony stuff where she fought for the womens right to vote. He told me that he thinks that women shouldn't have won the right to vote at all and he's against that. That disturbed and upset me combined. I found this out after I told him I am interested in a relationship with him but I'm like extremely uncomfortable and I feel weird. Now I know he feels that way, I feel stuck. Like I told him I'm down for a relationship and now I found this out and I feel afraid of him like he may be a crazy person. It's weird I feel depressed for some reason and I have no idea why I am suddenly depressed lol.

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Also let me add that I am traditional. But I just don't want to get into a relationship with a guy who doesn't respect me.

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So I talked to him about it. He says he believes in being against women having the right to vote not because he hates women. He thinks that the people who fight for the country should more have an opinion when it comes to voting, since women don't have to fight in wars. He said that he's not against it where he would talk me out of voting he said I can do whatever I want he doesn't care. He said he's religious coming from a mentality of how it used to be. He doesn't believe in evolution either.

[dynamicyandere]

There’s equal rights and equal respect between both men and woman. That’s the kind of feminism that all people should stand behind.


But there’s also misandrists that label themselves as feminists, and instead of equality, they are promoting hate against men and preaching male inferiority and female superiority.


Most men don’t have a problem with respecting women equally.


But most men have a problem with hatred towards their gender.


As for your guy… Based on what you wrote about this him, it sounds like he’s even against gender equality.


And that’s a red flag.


He sounds like a blatant misogynist and I’d stop seeing him if I were you.

[Asker]

We talked more and he was saying that he believes men should be number one and women should be second class citizens. Just wanted to let everyone know I ended it with him.

[dynamicyandere]

Damn. Well, you dodged a bullet there. He sounded very problematic and brainwashed. Glad you got out of that situation. Kudos to you for looking out for yourself. 🥂

[IceCreamSandwich]

It is totally reasonable to change your mind and revoke your being open to a relationship with him in this situation. When you said that, you assumed he respected you as a person. Finding out he doesn't believe you should have rights is a very serious change. He may not respect that you see that as a deal breaker, but I believe most people would absolutely be on your side that "they think I should not be allowed to vote" is a perfectly reasonable deal breaker to have—even if they personally don't see it as a deal breaker.

[IceCreamSandwich]

I guess he didn't put 2 and 2 together that men are the ones who said that men and only men have to fight in wars and be drafted?

Has he been drafted?

Look do whatever you want but he effectively just said "I wouldn't personally stop you from voting, I just thing the government should stop all women including you from voting."

If it was really about who served their country then he would believe only veterans should be able to vote.

[Asker]

I did mention that to him, what you said about men are the ones who say women shouldn't fight in wars. He basically didn't care. He was saying all men in general should only be allowed to vote because they are the ones who'll be drafted, if a war does happen even if they're not serving in the military.

He also said something about how it would help the judicial system if only men voted and it would benefit politics.

[blueonblack22]

Quite the contrary you should take it as a red flag if he said he supported feminism.

Before you get all defensive let me explain. There are three kinds of men who would insane enough to “support” modern feminism. Also it’s possible to be pro female empowerment without calling yourself a “feminist” Reason being is feminism today NOT about equality but is instead about “equity”.

The “equity” concept uses baby algebra to determine the “wage gape” by not taking into account the fact men and women voluntarily pursue different career paths and some are more lucrative than others. The concept of “equity” is subjectively one sided and fixates on struggles one side has (sexual harassment) while completely ignoring the other sides issues (4x suicide rates, most homeless people are men, etc). Before I go any further down the rabbit hole let me explain I really want women to have a fair chance and succeed but I absolutely hate modern feminism’s approach to this.

Anyway as for “male feminists” there are three types:

1. Sociopathic men who pay outward lip service to feminism thinking it will get them cherished by women and laid. But deep down they actually see women as objects.

You see this hypocritical bullshit in Hollywood and politics. Do you know at one time Harvey Weinstein was considered pro “feminist”? He’s the one who produced kill bill. He spoke highly of women during interviews.

Also former NY governor Andrew Cuomo was supposedly “pro feminist” then it later came out he was an absolute abusive creep towards women.

2. Sneaky beta male types.

These guys are similar to number 1 but they usually lack the societal prominence. But they will have no problem whatsoever being one of your “friends” but they will pay you all sorts of lip service. But they have one agenda: to get in your pants. They might get it once in a blue moon by domineering women who like submissive men. But it rarely works out for them and deep down they hate themselves but are too weak to change.

3. Men who were brainwashed from a young age to hate “men”.

This often happens with boys who were raised by single mothers and either had a deadbeat/abusive/absent father or the mother exaggerated how much she’s hated the boys father. So the boy grows up with an unhealthy resentment of men and/or an unhealthy worships of “victimized” women.

He later often finds himself being “the savior” for broken women out there. But he painfully learn that he will be exploited when necessary but never truly respected by women. He rarely talks back to them. He will also initially support feminism and later come to hate it. He is ironically the most likely to have a rude awakening.

[blueonblack22]

Read your update. I don’t agree with your bf’s opinion that women shouldn’t have the right to vote.

However I semi understand where he is coming from. People who made the most sacrifice to protect this country (because they live it) should be able to call the shots. And no offense but men usually sacrifice more to provide for women and children. This is from years of evolution to be expected to be protectors and providers.

We generally make more sacrifices whether it be from simply working harder to make more money all the way up to fighting in wars to protect our country.

We also generally don’t expect (and actually highly dislike) someone else to take care of us. This includes having the government take care of us via entitlement programs. We know NOTHING is “free” and won’t sacrifice our independence and freedom for government handouts.

But more and more people especially women have a very naive concept of socialism and the fact it’s a precursor to communism. Communism killed over a 100 million people in the 20th century. But they always start out by promising “equality” and free things.

[blueonblack22]

And women generally vote Democrat and the democrat party is getting more and more radical. No politician in their right mind would ever identify as “socialist” even 20 years ago. But now you got the squad and AOC. It’s getting worse and worse and women vote these morons in because they are generally more emotionally impressionable.

[WodensGedriht]

I was raised by a single mother yet I never fit into category 3. I'd say my only flaw was that I actually used to think men and women are equal 🤣

[blueonblack22]

@WodensGedriht equal doesn’t mean they are the same.

[WodensGedriht]

It kinda does suggest that though. You could argue they're equally as important, however in almost every single way one is better then the other at something cause men and women are meant to complete each other.

[blueonblack22]

@WodensGedriht well equality and “equity” are two very different things. I’m all for the former but the latter is communist bs.

[WodensGedriht]

Equality rarely exists. Genetics makes us all unique. Nobody's value is equal either, that is why Gen Z are turning into aimless nomadic doomers. Whatever force created this universe clearly didn't have equality in mind.
You clearly mean equal opportunity however, which is also known as meritocracy. Meritocracy rewards the best, but as a consequence rewards the most ruthless too. The problems commies bitch about can often be solved with anti trust laws however.

[Anonymous]

I don't support feminism, it's a toxic ideology and basically women are brainwashed that they can do anything and be as powerful as men. I can put power and ego aside, but I am not going to deal with a bat shit crazy woman who is manipulative and destructive. I've heard many awful stories where women want to initiate divorce and ruin a man's life for what he worked hard for. I have a tough time supporting all women who think it's ok to call the police for fun and games or purposely hurt a guy for their own selfish reasons. I can admit when I'm wrong, I can admit when she's right and she's got the right answers. I have no problem praising a girl or woman on her success. But feminism in the west, it's an ideology. Just because you don't support an ideology doesn't make you hate the person, even with political ideologies I know it's a system of manipulation -- socially, politically, economically. Women can have good jobs and hold their own ground, that's fine. I think in today's world, women have lost touch with reality of what's right, and what's wrong, what's fair and what's just.

[Opinion Owner]

One thing to add to the poster -- it's okay to feel hesitant with a guy that you may want to pursue. If you are more of a girl where you don't mind if the guy takes charge and he's an ambitious and hard working, then it can work. But if you have strong beliefs that you want to solidify your own life, that you don't want a guy bossing you around with distorted male views, then that's something you'll have to talk about with him further. I think its natural where males support males and females support females. It's like the whole debate of what's worse -- being kicked in the balls for a guy versus a woman being pregnant. Obviously most men will say being kicked is worse, most women will say no being pregnant is more unbearable. As a guy who took political science in university and doing his masters in related to politics, I don't have an issue with women voting. I'm sure there are many women out there who are sick and tired of male politicians being involved in sociopolitical matters such as abortion rights where it has caused a major rift in the United States. When it comes to that, I try to follow the rights of religion of what God constitutes on abortion, not politicians. I don't want to get into a whole debate about that because it's a separate topic itself. No relationship is perfect, we will never see eye to eye with each other. Take me for example -- I am anti-capitalist, I don't chase worldly affairs, my sisters are different with their political thoughts. I've learned not to talk to them about those things.

[Billlewis]

When it's all said and done, after you've broken down the men in this world by ethnicity, education/income level, etc, there are really only two groups that matter -- men who understand that women run the show and men who have yet to realize, accept and embrace this concrete, irrefutable fact.

The notion that men and women are equal is a quaint but long outdated philosophy; aside from physical strength (generally, but not always), women should be regarded as utterly and completely superior to men in every aspect, and I, for one believe that their relationships should reflect that. This is my opinion only.

[Billlewis]

Thank you very much for the point, I appreciate your support, ma'am.

[Asker]

I know feminists want to be on top in a relationship but I don't want that. To be equal in a sense of trust and respect for each other. I'm fine with him being the leader.

[strateguy632]

bill, i have "yet to realize" i mean kamala did tip the senate voting but women dont "run" the show.

[DextroShade]

OP, this is one of one's I warned you about. These male feminist simps are creeps.

[Billlewis]

Yes, ma'am, and I understand where you're coming from. But to me, a relationship is a little like bargaining for a car -- you begin negotiations above or below where you anticipate that you'll eventually end up. In other words, I believe that if I encourage her to have complete, absolute authority, she can then decide exactly how much authority she wants. I believe a woman should always get exactly what she wants, or as close as possible to exactly what she wants.

[Billlewis]

@strateguy632 I don't mean in terms of politics whatsoever -- we all know that liberals -- the majority of whom are comprised of bitter, middle aged white women -- are hell bent on wrecking the country. I mean in relationships, etc.

[WodensGedriht]

Women are only on top of the dating scene cause men desire women more then women desire men.
However you are so fucking wrong, simp. It is the men who have more power when it comes to marriage, the formalisation of a relationship. Women desire marriage more, and men should start withholding women from marriage until they learn to become loyal girlfriends. Unfortunately modern men aren't taught this but women do understand their strengths and weaknesses.
The strongest ancient cultures were patriarchal. Egalitarian societies got utterly destroyed by patriarchal ones, with the men dying and the women becoming some warriors concubine.
Women actually benefit more from patriarchies too, as egalitarian societies were more promiscuous so therefore you ended up with situations where alpha men had multiple wives and the rest of the men would basically become terrorists.

[Robbey]

The feminism issue would likely only be a problem if you were a feminist.

However, a man who doesn’t think you have the right to vote is very, very likely a man who will treat (and any hypothetical daughters you two may have) you like trash if not worse. Also, he’ll likely be okay with “physically disciplining” his spouse, so you might want to ask his thoughts.

I tend towards conservatism/traditionalism myself but what you do is your choice, but I’d suggest being absolutely sure that if you choose to stay with him, you’re not letting yourself down

[Asker]

Would you date a guy like him?

[Robbey]

I’d sooner become a nun.

[Asker]

I get that lol

[WodensGedriht]

There is no way you believe in conservatism/traditionalism if you also believe in egalitarianism. Don't you realise women's vote is destroying civilization? They're so easily influenced by what they perceived as an authority.
Also women in the workplace has now split the wages so 1 man cannot provide for his family anymore. This destroyed traditionalism because you're basically forced to have both partners produce the income now.
Also women don't tend to like men who earn less than they do, because they prefer men they perceived as superior to themselves (generally).
We always hear about the suffragettes, but it's ironic how the women who opposed their own right to vote get forgotten about in history, because the victors (cultural Marxism) write the history. Women believed the right to vote took away their protected status within society.
So that makes me a control freak and wife beater? I don't even believe in modern democracy to begin with, it's a scam and excuse for a weak shitty government full of self centered scum and narcissists.
We should model our civilizations on the Roman Republic, whose government actually encouraged a large degree of competency. But to be a politician in Rome also meant being a soldier, so it was a military republic. That means no women, cause somebody has to stay at home, look after children and engage in the economy.

[pepper1993]

The main problem is that "feminism" is seen as some sort of radical social movement that wants to erase gender norms and destroy men. Which isn't the case, but that's what a lot of people think when they hear it. Most guys I know say they support things like, women earning equal wages as men, being in control of their own bodies, and stronger support for women who've been victimized; however, if you asked them if they support feminism, they'd say "hell no". Even though all those topics I mentioned fall under the banner of feminism. I almost wish we had a different term for the promotion of women's rights, but alas that seems impossible.

[Sabretooth]

I see those as merely talking points. I've seen at least 3 examples of feminism argue AGAINST equality.

[WodensGedriht]

Just because you agree with something feminists also agree with, doesn't make you a feminists.
A broken clock is right twice a day.
Being a misandrist, blaming all your problems on the patriarchy and wanting to destroy the traditional family unit also falls under the banner of feminism. As well as expecting DEI privileges and such equal pay, that it isn't actually equal anymore.
They also want special rights for themselves, hence the mention of "women's rights".
Lastly they believe in equality, but equality is a false virtue.
Nothing about equality brings happiness and why would women even want to be superior/equal to man? What does that even mean? Usually this competitive mentality only applies to amongst members of the same sex.
Being superior or inferior doesn't make you any less important.
A king is superior to a peasant, but the peasant pays his taxes through labour. So isn't the peasants just as important to the economy?
The same could be said for women who stay at home and raise children, instead of career pursuing women.

[Anonymous]

It depends. I'd ask him what his definition of feminism is.

I don't like feminism either. But not because I don't believe in equality. I DO! Very much so! But today's feminism is not that!

God made Adam first. But he knew he was incomplete without eve so to speak. It's no coincidence that women are strong in every way men are weak. And men are strong in every way women are weak. We weren't made to battle eachother but compliment eachother. Any guy worth anything GETS THAT! Unfortunately sometimes it takes some guys longer than others to learn it.

[Asker]

I do agree with that completely. I am religious and I agree with the idea that men and women exist to compliment and help each other out. It's more about love than domination. That's why I don't want to say I'm like fully a feminist. Just a feminist in a sense where I don't want to date a toxic guy, I don't know if I would be considered feminist or just a rational human being lol. Maybe I should talk it out with him

[Opinion Owner]

That's up to you. Let's hope the no women vote is just macho bluster. Because if not I think you have you answer. A man with true power does not fear a woman with equal power.

[stepyo99]

Your date sounds very smart to me. The 19th amendment was definitely a mistake and should be repealed. The only reason you think it's weird and uncomfortable is because you've been brainwashed to think it's HATEFUL to think otherwise. But you haven't mentioned that he has treated you poorly or disrespectfully at all.

Have you considered having a conversation about why he believes the things he does? And I mean a conversation, not a debate. Take the opportunity to listen and try to understand a different viewpoint.

[LiamJHayden]

I would ask him how he defines feminism. If he's against Susan B. Anthony Equality Under the Law Feminism, yeah, dump him yesterday. If he's against Clementine Ford Type Feminism then that is understandable. if you do not know who she is, here are a couple of dandies from her.

[sage2021]

Just let him move to Europe and forget about this guy. It will only get worse as the two of you clash.
Women were allowed to vote since 1920. He needs to get over it.

[LiamJHayden]

@sage2021 Yup. That is why I mention that. The guy's a nut. I should have stated that I often answer questions with an eye to others in similar situations. That is why I put in the latter stuff and talked about having him (not the particular one in the question but any other guy who says something similar) clarify what he means, because a lot of guys think of crazy radicals like Clementine Ford when they hear the word.

[WodensGedriht]

Men like you need to start realising the Susan Anthony's of the world lead to the Clementine Ford's of the world, then the death of civilization.
If women want fair representation that works, then you should be against democracy to begin with. The British Empire was a patriarchal monarchy, but with many female monarchs. Also, Queens often had a large degree of influence, being the Kings wife and all, even during the medieval period.
Even the ancient gods were portrayed in this manner, with Zeus or Odin having direct power over their wives, but their wives pull their husbands strings. It's also why women were associated with prophecies, spindles (textile and clothing production), spiders and witchcraft. It was seen by Germanic cultures as worse for a man to practice witchcraft, which would have him accused of being "Ergi" (big insult meaning unmanly), or in Anglo-Saxon tradition a "Warloga" (Warlock, a oath breaker associated with subversion, manipulation and cognate with the god Loki).
Julius Caesar could've afforded the best clothes produced in the empire, but he had his wife make his clothes instead as that was tradition.
The Romans were one of the most patriarchal societies before Islam, so why do you think he did that?

[RingOfFire]

Don't trap yourself in the prison of two ideas. This is one of those things that isn't necessarily one or the other. Just because someone doesn't like feminism doesn't mean they are a misogynist.

Feminism in its current carnation is some kind of lunatic belief that men and women are the same. Just because you think that belief is lunacy doesn't mean you don't respect women. It is possible to respect the DIFFERENCES between the two genders without thinking they are "the same."

[Miristheiss]

It is a red flag if you are a feminist who believes the "pay gap" or in the "patriarchy" and that women are oppressed and that it is 100% FINE that there aren't tons of women in construction, brick laying, welding, oil rig work, HVAC, plumbing, electrician work... etc. but throws a fit that more women aren't in STEM or CEO's or political leaders. You throw off your natural femininity and think women should act like men, career should always trump family and marriage and women are shamed for wanting to be moms and not prioritizing work above all else, preaching women should forgo settling down at 21-22 and getting married but instead having tons of loose, casual sex throughout their 20's and then around 30 find left chump to settle down with your leftovers.

He should run. He should FLEE if you are some modern feminist.

[Asker]

I did say I am traditional...

[MementoMori777]

I know exactly why you are depressed, because what he said completely changed your point of view on the guy, you now see him in a different light and it changes things, I wouldn't say a guy not supporting feminism is a red flag but the way he said that he doesn't even agree with women voting, that's a bit extreme and shows more than just not supporting feminism or whatever, true definition of a sticky situation I guess

[WodensGedriht]

What's wrong with being extreme? Aren't you the extremist if, for thousands of years throughout history, your liberal beliefs are the exception not the norm?

[Simslover92]

It's not a red flag to me that he doesn't believe in feminism especially today's feminist but him not believing women should not have the right to vote would give me pause I'm not going to lie. I'm traditional too and wouldn't have a problem with a guy who has more conservative views but women not having the right to vote is a bit much. Makes me think of the Handmaid's Tale. Yikes.

[WodensGedriht]

So how do you deal with the fact women vote in all the Marxist, "egalitarian" and "progressive" shit that is destroying our culture today?

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Being a sexist would be a red flag just like being a feminist would be a red flag. I am someone who don't believe in feminism because I believe in equality. How about if I say would it be a red flag to date a girl who doesn't like/believe in masculinism?

[Asker]

I'd understand, and in fact I support masculinism.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

In short, that would basically just make you an equalist/egalitarian which is neither both. You can't mix fire and ice because they turn into something that's in between

[Asker]

I don't think two genders should be higher than the other. Though, I'm not saying men and women have to be 100% equal with everything because that's impossible. But I know feminism made it heavily unequal for men, I don't think women should be above men.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

If that's the case, you're neither a feminists nor a masculinist. You can't say "Im a feminist yesterday because my mom got assaulted then I'll be a feminist tomorrow because my dad got falsely accused" otherwise you'd just be contradicting yourself like you can't make up your mind.

[Asker]

But at the same time I don't men should be above women either! lol I don't know what kind of weirdo I am.

[Asker]

I don't think men*

[Asker]

True, it's hard to keep up to date with all the labels out there

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Then you're an equalist/egalitarian. You're not a weirdo. You're just misinformed. You would've been a weirdo if you're just delusional about it.

[Asker]

Aw that's nice of you :) thank you. I'll start telling people that I'm a equalist. Thanks for teaching me something.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

*Hugs*

[WodensGedriht]

Why not just embrace tradition? Where men were head of the family and women head of the household.
This meant that historically women had much more influence then all these feminist "historians" who have demonised human nature for the past thousands of years, then you'd probably think.
Women in history were associated with textile production, domestic symbolism and economics. Women dominated the family unit internally and men dominated it externally. That's what the patriarchy our Aryan ancestors built was.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

That would still make them equal. Equality don't mean they should be the same. It's called the power of leverage and it all depends on how they both agree on how their responsibilities are leveraged. It doesn't matter if even if the guy is the house husband and the wife is working or VICE VERSA or even if they both work and also have time to be household managers. If both parties agree on their equal share of responsibilities then that's equality. I prefer being the breadwinner but i can only speak for myself. I dont advocate that all men should be breadwinners. I just want equality.

[WodensGedriht]

Men who aren't breadwinners are usually left to rot by women, especially in the US (not so much where I'm from). If the man stays at home it creates an emasculating dynamic.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Well yeah that's what you think but that's none of my business. Also i'm not even sure what you can do about it that could actually change anything.

[WodensGedriht]

Reversing feminism would change a lot. Women need stability in their lives and men need the chance to prove themselves and supply a family off 1 income.

[Aiko_E_Lara]

Then you're a masculinist. It's no different from feminists. I still stand by equality for both which both feminism and masculinism aren't. Of course men needs a chance to prove themselves to supply for one family but it is up to them to take the chance or not considering how inflation is epidemically affecting almost everyone not just men. Back then when you only need one no skilled job to have a house, car and support your kids and wife. That's not possible anymore.

[therealricksanchez]

Being anti-feminist doesn't mean being mysoginistic or abusive. You can be perfectly anti-feminist and a good person, because feminism is mostly a particular political view. Figure out what he's values are, how he behaves and if he's actually mysoginistic or a decent person. However, saying women should not vote is quite extreme, if it's a joke, no problem, if he's being serious, not a good sign

[WodensGedriht]

Why isn't it a good sign? You like watching the west fall to Marxism?
Did you know that feminists have largely deleted the female led anti suffragettes that opposed their vote because they didn't want to be forced into male responsibilities?

[fonduegirl]

If he's against something like women's rights to vote, who knows what else he's against.

Abort mission.

[strateguy632]

to an, i agree with u

[fonduegirl]

@WodensGedriht I don't party

[fonduegirl]

@WodensGedriht nah.

[fonduegirl]

@WodensGedriht nahh

[WodensGedriht]

Yahh

[NamerOfStars]

Well, the logical thing to do would be to ask what he means; disapproving of Feminism could be anywhere from demanding equal accountability to demanding burqas. Did you ask why he thinks women shouldn't have the right to vote?

[Asker]

I think he thinks women are stupid and that's why but I plan to talk about it with him soon.

[NamerOfStars]

Yeah, there aren't a whole lot of legitimate reasons to deny the franchise to an entire gender, but you should at least hear him out.

[Kiss_Me]

If you are just now finding out about stuff like this you are nowhere **NEAR** ready for a relationship with this guy.

Are you regurgitating feminist propaganda, and upset he is agreeing with you? Remember, women are attracted to powerful men. A guy that openly speaks his mind is displaying power. Is his opinion a deal breaker? If so, break it off immediately and move on with your life.

[WodensGedriht]

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[Anonymous]

Well first of all, you shouldn't trust any man today who doesn't dislike modern feminism. Today's feminism is a disaster and anyone, male or female, who supports it is either an asshole or very naïve.

Having said that, this guy does sound like an asshole. You being traditional makes you a high value woman, and you deserve a high value man who will treat you well. Don't settle for an asshole.

[Asker]

Ok I won't

[Nikki1989]

If he has a problem with that, who knows what else he has a problem with. Most guys that have an issue with feminism are usually assholes anyway. Avoid them and dodge a bullet.

[Siri137]

There are many women who don't like feminism. Are they "assholes" too?

[WodensGedriht]

I bet you struggle to find real men don't you?

[Kinkyhubby]

You should leave him. He sounds like a tool. The part when he said women should never have won the right to vote, tells me enough. I wouldn't want my daughter dating a tool like that. That hasn't nothing to do with feminist. You should leave him.

[Asker]

He said something about how he wants to move to Europe because men are number one over there over women and he likes that, he thinks it's awesome. But we aren't in a relationship, he just asked me out and then dropped this bomb.

[Kinkyhubby]

I hope you said no to that date after hearing that.

[Asker]

I haven't because it's really hard for me to be assertive. I was thinking about ghosting him instead of telling him no.

[Asker]

I ended things with him today. Just wanted to let you know.

[DJB72]

If by feminism you mean civil rights like voting, yes.

If you mean a guy who values a woman who can tell the difference between working a minimum wage job to barely get by being as close as most get to slavery, and the role of being a parent and supporting your husband as his domestic partner allowing him to support you by earning the finances the family needs. Then no.

[Hispanic-Cool-Guy]

The guy you are describing I would suggest to stay away from a guy like that.

It shows this man doesn't believe in what's fair nor right but rather have views that only benefit him.

His sense of judgment is off and most likely it will be off in other areas as well that you know nothing about til it's too late.

I would understand if he meant a radical modern-day feminists that just talk useless ish but this guy you are dealing with are the kind that believe women should just shut up cook and clean and have babies, so beware.

[es_annie]

Me and my husband have our differences and we disagree with many things. As long as there is respect for each other’s opinion, everything is fine. You’re dating the guy so get to know him more don’t assume too quickly simply based off his thoughts regarding feminism.

[Asker]

I don't see myself kissing him though

[SolitarySolace]

He’s probably been burned/had his reputation threatened by a woman. I almost did. Once you have to deal with that, you see the way society and those you care about change drastically to pin you as the bad guy. That’s when you start to realize feminism is toxic. Do the right thing and don’t subject this guy to your feminist rhetoric. You both will be better off

[DextroShade]

Just because a man is against feminism doesn't mean he is a misogynist or a crazy person. It is actually quite rational for a man to oppose modern feminism because it opposes men. If anything it's the self-proclaimed "male feminists" who you should be wary of.

[EmmaMary]

@anon1903 & @Nikki1989 have already summed this up in it's entirety.

[mandyfire98]

If he thinks women are less than men and that women shouldn't be allowed to vote then it means he has no respect for women which means ultimately no respect for you. Why be with someone who doesn't respect you?

[Part2603]

Most traditional guys don't like to talk about it, but being anti feminist to the point of not supporting women's suffrage is more common than you might think.

Put it this way, The last couple of elections you participated in, how confident are you that you made the right choices?

Also consider that the policy proscription that women shouldn't vote doesn't necessarily have to be taken personally. Your guy could very be impressed by your rationality and understanding of politics, he just understands that you're not like other girls.

There are a lot of interesting political questions, and "Do you believe in feminsm?" Is such a simplistic starting point. Unless you and he were to jump into a deep political and philosophical debate, I would say it's a mistake to dismiss him so readily.

After all, do you even KNOW what you're talking about?

What is your opinion on the classical liberalism vs marxism dialectic?

[Asker]

I'm apolitical actually. But I do find your questions a bit patronizing. It's basically like you are saying women are already dumb, I know their dumb so let me just throw this random ass question at them you know they don't give two shits about to prove that men are smarter and bother themselves with topics like that.

However, there are a lot of men from my generation and gen z who are extremely unintelligent because they don't care to learn or retain info. I don't see you taking their right to vote away, are they inherently smarter to vote when they don't care?

On top of it, women have to be automatically excluded just because they're a woman, assuming she's an idiot because of her gender. That's very high and mighty of you to decide that and make that decision so easily.

If the tables were reversed, you would be infuriated and insulted. If you would feel that way, why shouldn't women? I should have the right to vote and any other woman, especially ones that aren't apolitical and who care a lot and are way more intelligent than I am. I feel like in some regards you'll have that male privilege of not knowing what that feels like.

Have someone exclude you from life because they think you are less than. Like wow thanks, I can't change my gender it's messed up to put someone down for something impossible to change and we shouldn't be doing that in the first. It's the exact opposite of what Jesus wants.

[Part2603]

Well actually I have it on good authority that you CAN change your gender. HAHAHA

No but seriously, I couldn't give two shits about your emotional backlash. You're not wrong, I am in fact pretty dismissive. I do think that I'm better than most people.

Your fury sounds like typical feminine bullshit to me. "How dare you!" Gimme a break.

But I will try to share and engage with your queries.

Yes it was a patronizing question. But since the topic is women's political competency, and more specifically YOUR political competency and literacy, it was fair game. You really want to justify your right to vote? Better bring facts and theory and not your Katy Perry feefees.

Truly, I'm kind of appalled that you would admit that you're "apolitical" and still feel intellectually entitled to participate. Why? Because you feel slighted by Chad? Do you see how petty you sounds?

Yes, Zoomers are stupid. Constraining their suffrage might be a good idea. I'm not all that enamored with democracy or universal suffrage as of late.

Yes, since we're specifically debating women's suffrage I do concede that it would be a broad blanket rule that would remove the good votes from some minority of level headed women. It'll be fine though since what matters is the aggregate. Most women not voting would be a good thing, and that's what's important. Ann Coulter famously argues for one vote per household.

How would I feel if the tables were reversed? A civilization where women held power is just completely contradictory to my understanding of gender and power... but I do feel like I am "marginalized" or unrepresented quite a bit in our modern dystopia. I got news for you kiddo, feeling powerless is just a fact of life.

But since I understand that with great power comes great responsibility I would implore you to think like me and consider that everybody should justify their power by demonstrating competency.

[Part2603]

When navigating hierarchies; When people feel that I shouldn't be in power, let's say in a job for instance, I don't pout and make emotional appeals to "fairness", I try to win by convincing everybody that I am intelligent, knowledgeable, and rational and that I should be trusted. I don't ask the boss for a promotion unless I show up on time every day. I don't ask my teammates to follow my lead unless I know what I'm doing.

And that is the common experience as men. Nobody every just "gives" us anything. We have to earn everything by the sweat of our brow. "Male privilege" is a misnomer. Most men are powerless in comparison to the elites calling the shots, and increasingly, put upon and neglected in comparison to our female counterparts.

And the worst part is how dysfunctional the whole thing is. It wouldn't be so bad being a peasant in a civilization that did great things and allowed everybody to flourish despite their shortcomings. But we live in a civilization lead by morons. We need better leadership. We need elites to start acting like elites. But I'm sure you know better. :)

Keep voting Democrat.

[Asker]

I respect your opinion and I agree with some of your points. You make some good points. I appreciate you for admitting that you were trying to patronize me instead of denying it or trying to gaslight me. It's honestly a little surprising to see a man start shit with someone they don't know, for no reason. Normally guys are the opposite of Karen's, they're chill, they don't like drama. I get the impression you like drama, you like ruffling feathers, and you find satisfaction in it. Anyway, I don't have hard feelings for what we talked about. I wish the best for you.

[Anonymous]

After your update I feel a little bit better about him, as I agree to an extent. If you want to vote, it is best for you to actually be required to contribute to the society that you are determining the fate of. This is why not even men have ever had the privilege to vote by age alone even before 1920. They had to own land and fight in war.

The only thing is, I don't know what to have women do? I think selective service should be abolished because all war is at this point is the elitist equivalent of a historical strategy game. One elite threatens the nobility of the other and now thousands of men have to die.

Maybe we need to go back to owning land but young people can rarely afford even that. Especially since corporations like Blackrock and Microsoft are buying it all up to get a monopoly on farming.

[DizzyDesii]

As long as he isn't a MGTOW he-man woman hater, i wouldn't worry. But the fact your dude didn't even want us to have the right to vote, nahh i wouldn't trust him

[DizzyDesii]

Are you from America? Because women do fight in the war too. Not as many as men but still... your dude sounds silly

[provokeesmokee]

Yes.

A man who doesn't think women deserve equal rights and who listens to "feminism bad" doesn't deserve a woman.

Full stop.

[WodensGedriht]

And women who think we're currently living under some oppressive patriarchy deserve to be lonely cat ladies.

[Jazzy54]

Ditch him. Be thankful you found out when you did. Move on from this joker. Plenty of fish in the sea. 😊

[WodensGedriht]

Yeah I bet you've run through hundreds of simps, enjoy loneliness and a lack of connection with any you do find.

[Anonymous]

Guys who are into feminism tend to be wimps so I don't like that. I like strong, manly men.

[strateguy632]

to ano, content wimps, yay, that is how some of my lovers felt and said to me when issue came up.

[WodensGedriht]

Yeah that's right. I'll copy and paste something I posted today
"The reason women don't like sweets guys and prefer bad boys is because bad boys are superior. For instance, when the Germans occupied France, their soldiers took the opportunity to sleep around with some girls and these ladies loved it.

Unfortunately for these women, the Germans lost the war and an angry mob of simps landed in Normandy, fighting for Cuckocracy. They rounded these women up, branded then with swastikas, raped some and forced them to walk the streets naked.

The nice guy is often the spiteful mutant."

[exitseven]

I guess there are many degrees of feminism. He seems to be more extremely anti feminism than you are pro feminism it does not look too compatible to me

[DarkWinterNights]

The way you feel about him is how a large plurality of guys feel about feminism. At this point it’s evolved into a supremacy movement that works to elevate women at the expense of men.

[Mallic00]

He's right about one thing. You shouldn't expect rights and privilege's if you're not willing to put yourself in harms way when you are needed. I'm seeing way too many women go on about equal rights, but the moment the topic of wars come up they are like "EW! NO! I didn't become a feminist to join the military. Men can keep that."

[Asker]

If they pass the bill to draft women, I would fight for my country. That isn't the problem. Men decide for us to not allow us to fight.

[Mallic00]

Then you have more bravery then many.

[strateguy632]

dont ask, it usually not even come into conversation

[Unknown29]

I love women and respect them. However I prefer women take on a traditional relationship role. Honestly I can’t stand girls with bossy and dominant personalities.

[Minahh]

Good luck finding someone docile like that 🙂

[Unknown29]

@Minahh I’m dating her right now.

[e232bm]

That depends on your preference and if it is going to be something that bugs you.

[Unit1]

I don't care whether a woman is a complete feminist or not at all or anything in between.
I care about ditching (sexist) traditions.

[AngryCarl2]

No problem, just tell him his views are anathema to you and you never want to see his sorry ass again.

[Anonymous]

Just think about it; he doesn't want you to have the right to vote.

Do you really want a man like that to have access to your womb?

[Siri137]

It's a red flag - a really BIG one - if they do believe in feminism.

[Anonymous]

Feminism and feminists are the red flags. Most guys and even a lot of women don't support feminism.

[MannMitAntworten]

A red flag? No. You just have a difference of views.

[Quigly]

Why should he believe in Man Hating Feminism? He's a sane individual, he doesn't want to be with a homosexual.

[Anonymous]

Yes it is. My ex hated feminism and was a supporter of that one men's movement. He turned out to be a mysogynist, incel and a narcissist.

[Shy_Steve]

Well yes because He would probably think it's a red flag to date a Feminist aswell.

[Anonymous]

It isn't a red flag, but this guy does seem like an asshole. Not all men who dislike feminism think that way.

[Sabretooth]

no. it has become a very toxic and destructive movement.

[Sabretooth]

Waiting respect doesn't make you a feminist. Feminism has become a radical hate group with no goal other than destruction... With you, yourself being a target.

[Sabretooth]

Wanting

[Sabretooth]

Sorry. iPhone.

[Rangers]

It's a major red flag if the person is a feminist at all

[Anonymous]

So many fake men exist. They create life after lie after lie.

[WodensGedriht]

That's why you'll never find a man. Men and women bond more when you haven't spent the last 10 years racking up a giant body count.

[shades777]

by the definitions I've seen i say he's dodging a bullet

[Chthou95]

The dude is smart. He'd be smarter not to get involved with you

[rienna888]

Lmao wtf tell him to shut up and pay for dinner

[WodensGedriht]

Based! but only if she shuts up and stays in the kitchen after the wedding.

[rienna888]

@WodensGedriht I’m only saying this cuz the guy said women shouldn’t be able to vote at all, lol that’s pretty sexist. Other than that I wouldn’t of said it

[WodensGedriht]

Women still expect men to pay for a date and fund their entire lifestyle and feminism (which is turning women into men and men into women) never does anything to check historical female privilege. This is because women don't care when it's against men cause society has a whole lacks empathy for men.
Things were much better before cultural Marxists degraded our culture to what it is today.

[rienna888]

@WodensGedriht well men could just find a woman that would go 50/50.

[WodensGedriht]

Yeah you would really have to scrape the bottom of the barrel to find women willing to do that. It's also not very romantic.
These things would just work out better if we return to tradition.

[rienna888]

@WodensGedriht really is it that difficult?

[WodensGedriht]

According to a lot of men I hear. I think it's cause women like hypergamy and to be treated like a princess (but not worshipped by simps).
It kinda makes sense before the wages were split, meaning 1 wage doesn't support a family anymore.

[Staximus]

This guy sounds like a fucking idiot.

[dudeinohio]

No. Not at all

[slatyb]

Yes, it would be.