Do most guys think they have to treat woman like crap to get a woman?

[Anonymous]

[CalmUntilAbused]

I don't think most men believe it. I mean, the Blue Pill still reigns supreme among the general public. Some MGTOW followers might believe it, but even most of them would rather say that a man has to appear strong to the woman he wants to get attracted to him. Now that legislation pretty much outlawed men showing off any kind of strength to a woman, except financial and intellectual strength (and made attaining any noticeable financial strength next to impossible for most men, as an MGTOW follower might truthfully add)... There are those who disregard the laws, showing off their physical strength in excess and then getting women to be attracted to them, the classic rich kids who can easily overshadow everyone else's financial strength, and those who live their lives being barely noticeable for women, since intellectual strength is hardly noticeable in general unless it's badly needed. Now, even if those possessing intellectual strength get to show it off a few times, as soon as the emergency is dealt with, they shrink back into their usual low-detectable selves unless they are lucky enough to draw the eye of some woman right when they're in the process of dealing with such an emergency. Thus... Yeah, the general perception among the "more-informed", but not "fully-informed" men might be that a man has to treat women like crap if he wants to attract them, leading to beliefs similar to the Black Pill. It's most likely not true for most men though, since most men are still blinded with the Blue Pill lie that a man has to be as courteous towards a woman as humanly possible if he wants to attract her (basically showing off his softness and weakness in the process and thus ensuring his own failure). The second largest group would probably be those who know the full story, and thus they might attempt to show off their intelligence and financial stability if/when an opportunity arises. That would leave the subscribers to the "beat her shitless or she won't give a shit about you" belief in a statistically insignificant minority.

[Telekinetic-Potato]

A bunch of guys believe this because they simp too much or see other guys make idiots out of themselves.

Personally, it's good to be pleasent with woman but you want to be careful about being overly endearing towards them or going too far out of your way for them.

I think woman want a leader, even if he's submissive. He needs to have some form of principals and boundaries.

If a country is defined by its borders or better yet a cup by the walls that can hold something inside, a person similarly is defined by their boundaries and what lines they operate within.

If a guy is so overly accommodating that he's willing to bend and push these lines any which way for a woman he's attracted to then who is he really? How can you share a connection if this person's ego isn't defined as anything?

Eventually the woman is going to realise that he has nothing to show her, nothing to protect her from, nothing to be other than a dick that wants to be inside of her and her respect will diminish as it becomes more obvious.

[kylee2437]

No because if that was true, then asshole men wouldn’t act like they are nice at first to get what they want. The problem is, is it’s very rare to find a man with genuine intentions really. You only have so much time until they turn into the person that they actually are.

[Nikki1989]

Only the dumbest of the biggest dumb asses have that mindset. Those idiots are single for a reason.

[CalmUntilAbused]

I beg to differ. Being single is the cause, not the effect. Those men are single and they are forced to watch as obnoxious jocks have lots of women attracted to them. Of course, it's not love, but animalistic lust, but all those love-deprived men see is that violent/cruel men get the companionship of women. Since they are lacking some crucial data (of course they do, they are single, after all), they draw the only logical conclusion. So... It's the responsibility of more self-aware women to change their hearts - but how many women of this kind are even out there in the first place? I'm lucky enough to have met a few, but I know for a fact that I got extremely lucky.

[godfatherfan]

100%. I stopped dating 5 years ago because it was clear... I either treat a woman like shit, or she won't want to stay.

I am not some alpha douchebag. I want to know your opinion. I always get the car door. I want a partner, not a doormat. But it seems that the better you treat a woman, the faster she runs.

[Asker]

What do you mean you want to know her opinion? Her opinion on what?

[godfatherfan]

On whatever. I don't want a woman that wants me to tell her what opinion she has on. Could be restaurants, could be politics, could be life in general.

[UniquelyBasic]

Sort of but they confuse being "Mean" with having banter with a woman that's not just agreeing with everything she says.

[OfMiceandMen]

That's beyond me, I would have thought you have to do the complete opposite?

[Yannae]

I went with the Be Nice approach and I found me someone Nice.

[sirderpsalot123]

Thats true for some women. It isn't true for women who are worth being with.

[Asker]

So you treat woman badly

[sirderpsalot123]

No lol how did you get that?

[sirderpsalot123]

Women who go for the "bad boys" often come with their own list of problems. Toxic people gravitate towards toxic people. I wouldn't be interested in the kind of girl who wants me to treat her badly.

[Anonymous]

No idea, I don't talk to women at all outside of a recorded and professional environment

You know MeToo statutes and firing squads

[dudegreat91]

Some do. You should ideally give them a pass

[Anonymous]

No, but it really helps.😆

[thearchjoker]

nope

[scott04sa22]

No..