ABSOLUTLY! Traditionally what a "man"'s qualities are provides a problem with mental health but society also ignores what a "man" is. I like to say men are buried and overburdened by the "man rules". I learnt about this during my addiction treatment at a trama based centre.
One of the first problems is that of feelings. To start men rarely know how to label their feelings letalone react to them positively which i believe is leading to mental unbalance. Society and fathers (our teachers) has/have told men for decades to "sucks it up" "walk it off" "be a man about it" but with all due respect what is a "Man"? Many will say he's to be The Provider (brings home the money), he is also expected to be The Protector (sees himself as expendable in lue of his family's safety). The All Knowing, so the who has all the answers and can fix most anything. A man must be able to build and work with his hands and be able to fix things when they are broken. Now most of those do sound like qualities of a "man" but they are also prime problems to a man's mental health.
With electronics and computers a man no longer needs to use his hands but more his brain and most if not all work in some fields is done at a computer or desk. Right their is the opposite of a few rules. Sometimes a tech savy man is not a skilled mechanic and vice versa. A man who does not do rough labour will not have the body of one who has and does all his life. So just a few things to think about as I move on
What a "true man" is (my opinion) A true man is his daughters first love, a man who can sit and play with his daughter. A man who can talk about feelings and identify them and work through them. A true man can defuse a situation with words and wisdom rather then brute strength and his fists. A true man will talk about his feelings in ways that he holds himself responsible and looks for the best way to work through problems. A true man loves his family and always makes time for them. A true man takes care of business when it's needed any way that he sees most fitting. A true man always puts others (his family) first and himself second (as long as is dosnt disrupt the wellbeing of his mental state)
A man has in the past been built over sterotypes of broken and defeated men whom have lived rough life's. Have seen abuse and know trama yet it's been stuffed down for decades. Most men have feelings yet the only ones they can identify are anger, happiness, sadness and confusion their are lots more feelings yet most were never acknowledged so they just come out as anger. This is the phenomenon called "the anger funnel" we need to teach our young men to be more in touch with their feelings and feelings of others not how tough they are or to just sucks it up and deal with it. If it's causing internal termiol theirs a reason! What use to be considered a man is now obsolete yet the problems are still passed down from our fathers.
I don't want to bring in the wemons aspect of it all because this brings up different arguments such as rights, outher issues and contributing problems when comparing men to women. Demographics is a big issue as to where you live and the take on equality aswell. No where has it made where we are all treated equal. Personally I never believe we will be treated as such. Their will always be a separation in my opinion but yes men are more likely to have their problems ignored then wemon 100%
We are often looked at for being the strong ones; told to man up and to shove down our feelings or else we are weak, who have to ask somebody out first, to propose to them, to look good without makeup, have a stable job, be tall, hide boners, automatically be good at sex, always be a gentleman, and never be in a bad mood, when in reality we are all people who have emotions and needs, and have some things that are simply out of our control that stresses us out and even some things that makes us want to kill ourselves too.
We are human too. We have issues with mental health too. Please understand, the things you have issues with, we probably have issues with it as well.
I think that too many people focus on treatment and "cures" rather than looking at the root cause of this rise in mental health issues. It's not normal for so many people to suffer mental health issues, something is wrong with modern society. This is true for both men and women.
For men specifically though, I'd say that men's issues in general being ignored has a lot to do with it. I'm not talking jist about men not being able to be expressive and cry and all that stuff, I think that's another example of focusing on the wrong thing. I mean boys being left behind in education and employment, masculinity and natural male behaviour being increasingly demonised and discouraged, men losing their place in society as others (misandrist feminists in particular) celebrate this. Men's issues such as fathers rights, health, treatment of men in divorce courts, male homlessness, male victims of abuse etc. Going ignored. Men not having strong male role models anymore, fatherlessness.
Again all of this stuff about men being more sensitive, crying etc. Seems to me to be part of the agenda to feminise men, while distracting people from the real issues most men care about which cause them to feel the need to seek out help in the first place.
No, because that means that there was a problem with society back then too. What I'm saying is really simple, that people today seem to put the cart before the horse. It's like talking about coming up with cures for cancer while ignoring the things which cause it such as smoking, obesity, diet etc.
I would agree with you - in general, treating the underlying cause is much more valuable than treating symptoms. It's not clear at all that the things you listed are causes or merely more symptoms, though.
I mean, think about it: are men facing more mental illness now because of things like falling behind educationally... or are we falling behind educationally because we aren't treating mental illness? If you look at the actual societal reasons men are falling behind women in some areas, you'll find it has little to nothing to do with Feminism and everything to do with dysfunctional ideals of masculinity.
Although, I do agree on some points: fathers' rights, domestic abuse, etc.
Bottom line: Men's issues are largely dismissed because their solutions would put women in a compromising position. All biology aside, women's concerns are prioritized because they align with the priorities of civilized society, the highest of which is safety. A safe society has no tolerance for the more combative elements of "masculinity" and can't be bothered by men who fail to gratify or suppress their sexual needs or attain their desired social status through exclusively cooperative means. That's the elephant in the room. The only (dystopian) solutions I can think of would be mass placation through medication or eunchization with few specially selected exceptions, much like male livestock have always been handled.
@DonCachondo The only elephant in the room is what men put there. It’s mostly other men, not women, who impede progress on these issues. Thinking otherwise is just unproductive and a little naive.
@HungLikeAHorsefly I get the impression you didn't read my comment carefully at all because what you say doesn't conflict with that in any way whatsoever.
Yes! I am a Psychology major with a minor in neuroscience in college and I’ve read so many things in my text books about men’s mental health. The reality is that men commit 70 percent of the suicides. We need men to be ok with talking about their feelings and getting help. Also mental health for men needs to become less stigmatized. It is very isolating and alarming that despite being such a large scale issue that it is largely ignored by society and people refuse to admit we have a problem. Men’s mental health gets very little media attention. Don’t believe me? Look up on YouTube women’s mental health and look at how many views each video has. It will be in the millions for most of them. Now look up Men’s Mental health and most results will have no more than a few thousand views and the comments on every video will be form only men. It is an uphill battle as many women will protest events that would raise awareness to the issue as being misogynistic such as an International men’s day designed to bring light to men’s mental health and our disproportionate suicide rates. (This day was actually proposed and there was an actual protest that happened outside of the building where a conference was held.) Other men also contribute to the problem and continue to assert that it is not manly to get help or therapy or to talk about their feelings. With all of this at play I am not optimistic but I hope that it will get easier for men with time.
And here's your problem. I have a mental health issue. I've been on meds for years. But now we have people shooting kids in schools. The news media spins the story and blames the person's mental health issue. Now their going to take away the guns of people that have mental health issues. Nice thought huh?
Gun free zones are killing grounds for people who want to harm others. Now in comes the government and takes my weapon. IM THE NEW GUN FREE ZONE. people in general are just stupid!!
Depending on what you have it is an understandable precaution to regulate the weapons of someone who has a mental health issue for their own safety and other people’s safety. Mass shootings have become very common in America and it is better to be safe than sorry. Most of the developed world is far stricter than we are when it comes to gun control and this is a very minor precaution. In the US system it is very easy to just get a gun at a gun show with little regulation anyways even if a weapon is taken from you.
Lol I take it your from another country. If your not a United States citizen then your opinion doesn't matter to me. We in the United States have survived for over 200 years because of the "right to bear and keep arms"
The war of 1812. The British invaded and we pushed them into the ocean because of that right.
World war 2. The Japanese were going to invade the United States. What stopped them? Admiral Yamamoto warned the emperor that if he invaded the United States "There will be a rifle behind every blade of grass".
If you take guns away from law abiding citizens, then the criminals will be the only ones with guns.
Want proof?
Chicago's gun laws are the strictest in the United States.
They have at least 15 murders a day. Want to know why?
Because LAW ABIDING CITIZENS DONT HAVE GUNS. THE CRIMINALS DO!!
I've been mentally I'll for 25 years. Do you see a pile of bodies laying around that I've killed?
Proof enough that not all mentally I'll people are killers.
And yes I have access to a freaking gun too!!
The real problem is that others think they have the right to rule over what others do.
That called people that have power and control issues.
I’ve lived in the US my whole life but I support gun control because we have had too many mass shootings and it is time for us to catch up with the rest of the world. Of course Chicago still has guns if it’s only a city wide legislation. All you have to do is leave the city to get a gun. We need federal legislation and universal background checks to make sure the people that have guns will not misuse them. In the 80s Australia had a mass shooting and they enacted sweeping gun control. As a result their murder rate instantly dropped and they haven’t had a mass shooting since. Since New Zealand’s shooting the government enacted stricter regulations and a buy back program. On a nationwide scale gun control works. According to the CDC you are 6 times more likely to use your gun on yourself than for defense. Other people having guns does not prevent a mass shooting. There were people with guns in Las Vegas and El Passo but the death toll was still very high. It is time for us to except that our current system isn’t working and for us to begin to implement background checks on everyone who buys a gun and to ban military grade weapons. Guns will never be banned but they will just need to be regulated more. For example in Australia people can still have guns but there is strong regulation on the type of people that can have them.
I see problems in every direction. Conservatives think they have the answer. Their answers breed mental illness. The liberals think they have the answers. Their answers breed mental illness. Religion says it has the answers. Religion breeds mental illness. Guys are “taking the red pill.” That shit breeds mental illness.
We have problems, but I don’t know what the solutions are.
I really like this one guy, Jordan Peterson. He helps a lot of people. He also teaches people about Christianity and unfortunately, a lot of idiots use his material to slide down the alt-right pipeline which breeds mental illness.
Seems like no matter what, we are fucked in the end.
Personally I’m a fan of Ayn Rand. And I can see how men could read her, and develop a complex about not being good enough and boom, mental illness.
I don’t know what we need. But we definitely need something.
Honestly, I really like RSD. “Real social dynamics” on youtube. Although learning to become good with women is absolutely fraught with painful shit that could definitely fuck with your head, I like the core message of it. It’s basically, go out and be social. Go out and be social. We are human beings. Go out and be social as fuck. Make friends, get good at being social. Pursue your goals. I really like what I’ve seen from them so far. Maybe they are a step in the right direction? I don’t know.
So, here comes some controversy. I'm going to say no, at least not in America. While it is not as common for men to bring up their issues, society has started tackling all mental health issues in a more robust way. Perhaps I simply have a strong support network, but i don't feel that we're ignored.
The biggest switch I saw was a few years after the war on terror began. Men were coming home with a lot of issues because if the stresses of war. Some were depressed, suicidal, anxious, and some had PTSD because of everything they went through. This shed a bright light on men's mental health and change the narrative about how we should handle it.
All of that said, I do think that men need to be more open with their doctors. They need to open up and start feeling more comfortable with discussing emotional issues with professionals and their support network. I personally bury my issues until I can't handle it, then I finally vent to my network and doctor. I've battled depression my whole life, so I am very aware of changes in my mental state. I use that knowledge to then know how to approach my issues. Sometimes venting is all that's needed, others a serious talk with my doc is in order.
We live in a very feminized society were most attention is given to women and their issues: breast cancer , rape , sexual harassment , birth control , the so called glass ceiling , "female empowerment" but men's issues attract very little attention from the main stream media and from most politicians.
What the feminists don't want to accept is that as men make up about 50 % of the population it is not a good idea to neglect men's issues. I think we are going to see more of these mass shootings from men. A lot of these men have had issues and were giving off red flags that went ignored. The mass shooting that happened in that Parkland, Florida high school in Feb. of 2018 is a prime example of this. Long before Nikolas Cruz (the shooter) killed any one the police had been called to his house on numerous occasions. There were enough red flags to been seen from the ISS. But nothing much was ever done.
I don't even think it's a sociological problem, I think it's a biological one. Evolutionarily, there is no benefit to the species to care about what men want or feel. Women have our babies and babies are the future, so we have to care about what women and children need in order to have an ensured future. But when it comes to men... you just need to strongest, most capable, and stoic males to reproduce. The ones who are prone to depression or anxiety... they're better off dead, for the sake of the species.
I think it's a complicated issue. Men are far less likely to seek help for medical problems both physically and mentally. I think this stems from our culture of expectations for men having to shoulder responsibility and be tough.
We need to teach and spread the message that it's okay for men to have moments of weakness. It's okay to have a problem. It's okay to seek help. We don't have to be macho.
I say this as someone who is diagnosed bipolar. When I had serious bipolar depression symptoms I would tell myself I was just being weak and undisciplined. If only I was stronger I could overcome any obstacle.. I told myself I didn't need help. Well, I finally realized I needed help and my life is far more consistent now that I have therapy and meds for bipolar disorder. Now I have the capability to adapt to things in my life and make good decisions for myself. It's all because I accepted I had a problem and sought help.
Therapy doesn't work well for men. We can't just "talk out our issues" like women can. Mental health problems that plague men are usually caused by extrinsic factors that probably have no perfect solution. I can't imagine a society that could possibly be arranged to please all men, much less in addition to all women. I can, however, imagine what a society that could please all women would look like.
Women are just allowed to be more vocal about their feelings. If you try complaining about something (especially women) on this site and others like it, other guys (and even some women) will literally tell you to quit complaining. Sometimes they sugar coat it with expressions like "man up," or "life's not fair," (the stupidest fucking expression on the planet) or even "deal with it."
When men have problems, people categorically do not care. When women have problems, it becomes the men's problem.
Oh yeah, I've heard that "man up" line a while bunch of times. I'm asking for help, not quotes. After a while you just don't bt feel comfortable opening up about it. And it lingers there.
@Paul09 I've even heard it while responding to someone else's questions. Like one time I was answering this woman's question about why more men have started to get resentful of women, and I even though I'm not resentful of women, myself, I probably spent a good 5-10 minutes writing and carefully explaining the reasons that a lot of men are. I even explicitly said that I'm not resentful of women. Within an hour, some guy that was a few years older than you all but tells me flat out to quit bitching and deal with it; that this is life.
I just noticed that this is an old question but I’m gonna answer it anyways lol
the answer is yes and no. I would say that yes, men with mental health issues aren’t treated as often as women. But’s it’s more because of these men are too insecure and stubborn to ask for help. It’s comes from the idea that men are supposed to be strong and asking for help is seen as weak. So these men probably would be able to easily get the help they need, they just aren’t making the effort to do so
As the cranky feminist Camille Paglia notes, "It is men who heft and weld the giant steel beams that frame our office buildings, and it is men who do the hair-raising work of insetting and sealing the finely tempered plate-glass windows of skyscrapers 50 stories tall." The vast majority of workplace fatalities are male. So are the vast majority of workers in policing, firefighting, war and other lethal professions. Do you think this arrangement is unfair to women? Me neither.“
Also read “Male bashing: America's favorite pastime” article in Baltimore sun
Then just google “men disposable”. You’ll get some results. But then Google algorithm will quickly change it to women im a victim articles or feminist articles telling you why we don’t matter.
Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Basically, you're guy? You're disposable. You're girl? Awww, such cute delicate flower, which can do no harm, doesn't lie and so on. This is what I see around. I absolutely disagree and take both sexes as equal (where it is possible, obviously not in dating). But hey, why have you turn off girl comments? I want to hear their opinions as well.
I don't think they're being ignored, but they're far from being a priority either. It took my family a long time to realize that I had depression because it was easily dismissed as simply complaining. Men are discouraged from complaining, an important part of speech that lets people know what's wrong at any given moment. If we don't tell people what's wrong, then we can't get help. If nobody is willing to listen, we don't tell people.
It goes for men in general. If you complain you are called a whiner. If you demonstrate emotion you are called a bitch and people will gang up on you too.
oh definitely, "walk it off, be a man, grow some balls..." a breeding ground for depression, selfconfidence issues, OCD, you name it. meanwhile some girl is upset because Billy didn't say hi to her today.
some women take advantage of the situation and play little miss victim when in reality they are just lying, then they go brag to their friends when they win (divorce settlements, sexual harassment complaints, etc)
Bottom line: Men's issues are largely dismissed because their solutions would put women in a compromising position. All biology aside, women's concerns are prioritized because they align with the priorities of civilized society, the highest of which is safety. A safe society has no tolerance for the more combative elements of "masculinity" and can't be bothered by men who fail to gratify or suppress their sexual needs or attain their desired social status through exclusively cooperative means. That's the elephant in the room. The only (dystopian) solutions I can think of would be mass placation through medication or eunchization with few specially selected exceptions, much like male livestock have always been handled.
I think your missing the whole question at hand here. Wemon should never be compromised due to a man's mental health. Yes I have has issues brought on by wemon and relationships. At the same time I PLACED MYSELF IN THAT'S PREDICAMENT. I was never forced to have relationships yet some I did I was used and taken advantage of. This turns extremely bad when children are involved, I took custody of my son from his mother who would not give up. Neglect, abuse, not providing basic needs and it still cost me 40 grand in lawyer fees. What's fucking wrong their? Court cares less of a child then mothers rights. It very much affected my son. She has now lost her fifth kid, when should we treat them like livestock and remove her from being able to breed? Problem is you can't... human rights. Yet thoes children's rights are superseded from mother and her rights. Society a whole is the issue. If their is an elephant in the room then maby the room was built too small
Women are the cause of many of mens issues. Mens whole purpose for being on the earth is to build great things and impregnate women. Now women make silly rules to hold men back at work and they don't make good wives or mothers so men don't even know what its like to truly desire a woman these days, it feels different than just seeing a pretty girl thats for sure. But many men don't even know how it feels because there are almost no women like this.
At the end of the day it causes men to go crazy because its like the tools at our disposal aren't working so lets just destroy it all and start again. ie mass shooters etc.
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Well yes they are unless it's severe such as something like schizophrenia or psychosis. Men already have the attitude eventually that they'll be the head of a household, a father. To be a man. This means pushing back your problems and just getting the job done to put food on your table with no excuses. Along with this we're not as likely to open up about them.
They're not there is plenty of help available at least in UK. There is no difference between men or women. Usually its men who are reluctant to seek help. It might also be women are more "supportive" in a sense they form groups and talk it over, or other women may provide them with emotional support.
Other than help available is same for men and women.
That's just how the world works. Women are naturally the ones that most people seek to protect for a multitude of reasons that are mostly subconscious.
Men are generally just expected to be strong for the most part.
However, to say that men's mental health is being completely ignored is so obviously false. Only a sith deals in absolutes
Ignored, no, but not given the same priority as that of women. That is a constant theme in society. Take the following example, which overlooks that three out of four, 75%, are men.
Yes, Let it be known if men's mental health was developed it would do better for what women want than some of the things they are currently campaigning for.
Men who violate/harm others are often mentally hurt/ deranged and if society took better care of men's mental health they wouldn't get this bad and wouldn't take their problems out on others.
It sure feels that way. Then the "man up" lines start popping up. Like yeaaahhh it's not a switch you can just flip. Need more people to be open and realize it's not a easy thing to live with, and change instantly. So you have to keep trying to help your self over and over till maybe hopefully it gets better.
I do believe society does throw it under the bus since guys are supposed to be the “stronger one”. But as a person who deals with mental health, it all depends on who you surround yourself with. I have great friends who are there if I need it. So if you’re around people that don’t care or say get over it, they need to go and it’s that simple.
Your absolutly right about the company we keep. We are only as good as thoes around us. But only if it was that simple. (My hopes is for most it is) Personally I have cut all those people from my life, this has included both my parents, my grandparents actually all my family except my grandmother. 96% of all my friends. I have dealt with sever depression since I was diagnosed at 13. I'm turning 30. My family never understood depression or addiction. I suffer from adhd and some days it is a positive some it's a negative. Throw in my trama and ptsd along with sleep problems. I have vivid dreams and bad night terrors. Sometimes I was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. I was also sexually abused severely bullied as to the extrema of being hit with cars and having my vehicle sabotaged. That being said it's easy to talk the talk and say get over it your absolutly right but that's not the cure. Even talking about it does not always work. Depending on issues at hand and what all the compounding problems are their is not 1 true method to fix this issue. Each person will require different means of assessment and intervention to help their mental state. Some can get by with a new set of man rules while others need months of rehabilitation and learning let a lone changing their outlook and opinion on what be a man.
Men's mental health is not ignored for treatment. Women primarily will see mental health counselors because they are more social. Men have a super long way to go before they recognize mental health is not a weakness and can be helped.
Society is men's number one mental health issue. Enough men haven’t died yet to impact women's lives because the infrastructure is still functioning. But, Yes, men are expendable and almost seen today as rodents to women.
Not really as mass shootings can be done due to beliefs and ideology such as the masque shooting. I don't deny there has been ones due to mental health issues, but most of it isn't a mental health issue. It's an issue with the society itself. That's why the U. S. deals with more mass shootings than other countries.
@AaronKrieger I mean there are no mass shootings in China, because no one has guns but the government. But mass killings still happen in China. There was one recently, where a woman baked rat poison into cookies and took them to the local school, killing 38 and making more than 100 hospitalized.
I feel that the stigma is weakening toward the attitude of men seeking mental health. I think this may have to do with more soldiers seeking care, and a large push that it's okay to seek help. But we are generations from it not being seen as a weakness in "men".
I don't think it's being ignored per se, but I do think it's still not a socially acceptable thing to be a man and to deal with mental health issues in a way that's actually constructive.
yeah there are no places that offer help to men. women have shelters and support groups and stuff but men have nothing that's why suicide rate is higher among men
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