Yeah, anything is possible nowadays, what happens if the Covid Vaccine carried something where it would be able to detect where people are and locate them at any time?
First I've heard of this. I'm training for a vaccine hotline job. I'll remember to tell the trainees about this rumor. And maybe mention it to the CDC people so they can debunk this myth. Heavens.
All I can say is almost anything is possible. I doubt it but you never know. You can't trust the government. They were talking about it years ago. They said it was smaller than a grain of rice.
@Wiredone: out of technical interest... do you have something specific in mind? An independent and 'self-powering' arrangement is just what I'd need right now. Its about ca. 100 - 200 kWh.
Itβs about the spike protein alone which is the basis of the vaccines weβre using. Thereβs evidence of the spike protein alone causing the same damage as the virus itself in some non-human animals. Thatβs what that study is showing. We canβt possibly know the long term effects of the vaccine, we do have some idea of the short and long term effects of the virus. So the question about taking the vaccine is a risk assessment that I believe should be made by each individual American.
Thatβs not long term, nor would the long term effects of the disease itself be noticeable in 6 months. Long term is in reference to something more like decades. Particularly in relation to telomeres. The danger of a virus that you survive and get over is that they cause cells to replicate losing some of your effective long term limit. The problem with new research like this is that it seems to indicate that the new vaccines can cause the same problems.
These vaccines are brand new and we have no idea what risks there are to this new style, and the fact that new research like this is being published should be the subject of a major public conversation but itβs not because people are acting as though thereβs no risk to these new vaccines when we know that normal vaccines which have been used for a century have risks. Pretending that thereβs no risk to this novel form of vaccine is sophomoric at best, and disingenuous at worst.
Weβve known about and have been studying mRNA for over 70 years. This is the first vaccine which has been synthesized using it which is being given to humans. It could be the case that everything is good about it and thereβs no risks, but thatβs not certain, and the fact that you can say that the benefits outweigh the risks so plainly seems to me to be a failure of imagination.
If you want to take the vaccine thatβs all well and good and your prerogative as a grown adult living in a free country. if you believe that the benefits outweigh the risks for you then thatβs all well and good. Thatβs a determination youβve made. Iβm merely pointing out that there are risks that youβre not accounting for.
Got it. Your second link opened, βerror not foundβ. The former states that mRNA studies with non-human animals have been ongoing for a decade or two and human trials with various vaccines have been used for a few years. I believe the issue youβre pointing out with my comment was my use of βthe firstβ when I shouldβve said, βthe first at scaleβ. The fact that they just pulled the J&J vaccine and reinstated it should be evidence alone that we donβt know a whole lot about them, but like I said to each their own. Everyone has to make their own risk assessment and based on your comment Iβd likely make the same assessment of benefit vs risk. Iβm just going to play the fly on the wall while much of this plays out. There was a time, after all, that we thought thalidomide was safe. I see sufficient risk, or rather lack of certainty about potential risks, to decide not to get it anytime soon.
When you start growing a third arm from the vaccine weβll know whoβs right π
Oh certainly. Itβs nothing conclusive and the reports are correlative not causal, but correlation is still important. I just heard about it and thought it helped expound on my point about unknown risks in the context of our conversation.
No. Itβs self report and correlation. Not a great method of data gathering by any estimation. Correlation does imply causation, but it doesnβt prove it. This is another point of evidence leading toward the conclusion that there are some risks that were unaware of.
Well how do you think conclusions are made? You view all the available evidence and are either convinced of the proposition in question or are not. This VAERS reporting is, in my estimation, an evidence in support of the conclusion that there is βsome danger... that many are failing to address or acknowledge.β I donβt know anyway around that from a logical perspective. That piece of evidence may not lead you to the conclusion that the vaccine is wrong for you, but it is certainly a point that should be considered.
Sure if you only look at VAERS you can come to that conclusion. But when you compare it to other sources the side effects are pretty standard vaccine side effects.
The vaccine causes your cells to make and release the COVID spike protein. https://www. cdc. gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/mrna. html#:~:text=COVID-19%20mRNA%20vaccines%20give, virus%20that%20causes%20COVID-19.
Yes. And normally you can hold makers liable if a vaccine is killing people. But Pfizer and Moderna negotiated 100% civil immunity for these vaccines. These vaccines could give you a 75% chance of cancer but you could not sue them. You also cannot appeal to the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program like a vaccine. https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccine-compensation/faq
According to 42 U. S. Code Β§ 300aaβ22, "No vaccine manufacturer shall be liable in a civil action for damages arising from a vaccine-related injury or death associated with the administration of a vaccine after October 1, 1988, if the injury or death resulted from side effects that were unavoidable even though the vaccine was properly prepared and was accompanied by proper directions and warnings."
Your act cited immunity except for a few things. The 2020 act gave them immunity except for Willful Misconduct.
"Under the PREP Act, a qualified person is a covered person. Except for willful misconduct, a covered person is immune from lawsuits and liability under federal and state law with respect to all claims for loss resulting from the administration or use of a covered countermeasure, such as a COVID-19 vaccine, if they meet criteria stated in a declaration under the PREP Act issued for the health emergency or threat and covered countermeasure."
And fair enough. If you read the article that you posted it'll tell you that by doing that it's made the vaccine cheaper which makes it far more beneficial for the govt to distribute.
Interesting. Would you be interested in buying cheaper food, or driving cheaper cars, living in cheaper housing, or working in cheaper buildings, knowing that the producer could not be liable for defects except for willful negligence?
See, if you accidentally do something dumb and contaminate food, that could be sued as negligence. For willful negligence, if you bought a product and it harmed you, it wouldn't matter if the company was shown negligent/sloppy. You would have to prove they deliberately chose to be negligent.
Do you know how hard it is to contaminate food without wilful neglegence? Have you ever worked in food? Everyone knows the rules if you break them that is wilful neglegence. You know that if you cut ready to eat vegetables on a board you just cut raw chicken on that there is a chance you could give someone food poisoning.
I'm not bothered with sueing companies tbh. Most of the time it's user error but companies just settle to make them stfu
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phone is already a tracking device,
what are these people afraid of?
Funny part is.
These people who think vaccine has tracking chip, also support Elon Musk too much or fan of Elon Musk.
But they donβt have mind to think that Elon had a company that is developing a mind controlling device π€£π€£π€£
So is a car.
@MORPHEUS_12 yes.
No need to inject a tracking chip in your body, you hold one in your hand everyday.
Genius.
No, most people aren't important enough for the government to go through that trouble; despite what some might think.
Yeah, anything is possible nowadays, what happens if the Covid Vaccine
carried something where it would be able to detect where people are and
locate them at any time?
A gps? Like in your phone?
@Smashingdoozy Yep could be?
There isn't a gps small enough to go through a needle. Plus it needs a power source. And you would be able to feel it/ a magnet would magnetize to it.
And why would you need to if everyone has a smart phone..
@Smashingdoozy Yeah, hard to say?
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No, and did they actually think about the price of such conspiracy.
We can be tracked without it, so that's just more conspiracist nonsense.
You should know asshole
Okay
Your phone is basically already tracking everything you do, so why would they put a chip in the vaccine?
First I've heard of this. I'm training for a vaccine hotline job. I'll remember to tell the trainees about this rumor. And maybe mention it to the CDC people so they can debunk this myth. Heavens.
Why secretly put tracking chip when everyone is willing to volunteerily keep one its called a cellphone lol
Yes, I designed it to kill flat Earth believers and too political people in this site.
Nah, that's a very antivaxx-flatearther-astrology-believer-thought
The irony is that all these people going on about the dangers of being tracked are already being tracked by using their phones!
All I can say is almost anything is possible. I doubt it but you never know. You can't trust the government. They were talking about it years ago. They said it was smaller than a grain of rice.
Doesn't exist
Are you sure about that? If they can figure out how to get a man on the moon, they can figure out how to track us
Yeah it's called a smartphone
Hahaha. If you don't have a phone or you dropped it while hiking, how are they going to find you.
Well there's many ways. Search and rescues use helicopters and sniffer dogs usually π
If they have the tracking device they don't need search and rescue or the dogs. To they might not need a helicopter depending on the location
I don't put anything past the government. They are sneaky s. o. b's
A gps tracker needs a power source, that can't be in your body it's simply not possible
Like I said, almost anything is possible. Technology is improving every day. I'm an electrician, I know what can and can't be done right now.
@Wiredone: out of technical interest... do you have something specific in mind? An independent and 'self-powering' arrangement is just what I'd need right now. Its about ca. 100 - 200 kWh.
@andreasderjuengere try solar. That should do it for you.
No they don't need to put a tracking chip in the vaccine cause you have one in your phone and you pay to carry it around
no. i'd be impressed if they got a tracking chip to be that microscopic...
No, but there is some danger to it that many are failing to address or acknowledge ie
www.salk.edu/.../
That's about covid itself not the vaccine?
Itβs about the spike protein alone which is the basis of the vaccines weβre using. Thereβs evidence of the spike protein alone causing the same damage as the virus itself in some non-human animals. Thatβs what that study is showing. We canβt possibly know the long term effects of the vaccine, we do have some idea of the short and long term effects of the virus. So the question about taking the vaccine is a risk assessment that I believe should be made by each individual American.
Long term effects of vaccines are almost non existent after 6 months
Thatβs not long term, nor would the long term effects of the disease itself be noticeable in 6 months. Long term is in reference to something more like decades. Particularly in relation to telomeres. The danger of a virus that you survive and get over is that they cause cells to replicate losing some of your effective long term limit. The problem with new research like this is that it seems to indicate that the new vaccines can cause the same problems.
These vaccines are brand new and we have no idea what risks there are to this new style, and the fact that new research like this is being published should be the subject of a major public conversation but itβs not because people are acting as though thereβs no risk to these new vaccines when we know that normal vaccines which have been used for a century have risks. Pretending that thereβs no risk to this novel form of vaccine is sophomoric at best, and disingenuous at worst.
They've studied mRNA for over a decade. So it's not "brand new". The risks of the virus itself are worse than the vaccine.
Weβve known about and have been studying mRNA for over 70 years. This is the first vaccine which has been synthesized using it which is being given to humans. It could be the case that everything is good about it and thereβs no risks, but thatβs not certain, and the fact that you can say that the benefits outweigh the risks so plainly seems to me to be a failure of imagination.
If you want to take the vaccine thatβs all well and good and your prerogative as a grown adult living in a free country. if you believe that the benefits outweigh the risks for you then thatβs all well and good. Thatβs a determination youβve made. Iβm merely pointing out that there are risks that youβre not accounting for.
Crap see update accidentally wrote my reply there π
Got it. Your second link opened, βerror not foundβ. The former states that mRNA studies with non-human animals have been ongoing for a decade or two and human trials with various vaccines have been used for a few years. I believe the issue youβre pointing out with my comment was my use of βthe firstβ when I shouldβve said, βthe first at scaleβ. The fact that they just pulled the J&J vaccine and reinstated it should be evidence alone that we donβt know a whole lot about them, but like I said to each their own. Everyone has to make their own risk assessment and based on your comment Iβd likely make the same assessment of benefit vs risk. Iβm just going to play the fly on the wall while much of this plays out. There was a time, after all, that we thought thalidomide was safe. I see sufficient risk, or rather lack of certainty about potential risks, to decide not to get it anytime soon.
When you start growing a third arm from the vaccine weβll know whoβs right π
Have you heard about the recent reporting on the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System?
Have you read the disclaimers? π
Oh certainly. Itβs nothing conclusive and the reports are correlative not causal, but correlation is still important. I just heard about it and thought it helped expound on my point about unknown risks in the context of our conversation.
I see a lot of people using it to prove the vaccines caused x many deaths but that's not what the data is showing at all.
No. Itβs self report and correlation. Not a great method of data gathering by any estimation. Correlation does imply causation, but it doesnβt prove it. This is another point of evidence leading toward the conclusion that there are some risks that were unaware of.
But it's not a reliable source to make any conclusions.
Well how do you think conclusions are made? You view all the available evidence and are either convinced of the proposition in question or are not. This VAERS reporting is, in my estimation, an evidence in support of the conclusion that there is βsome danger... that many are failing to address or acknowledge.β I donβt know anyway around that from a logical perspective. That piece of evidence may not lead you to the conclusion that the vaccine is wrong for you, but it is certainly a point that should be considered.
Sure if you only look at VAERS you can come to that conclusion. But when you compare it to other sources the side effects are pretty standard vaccine side effects.
Tracking chip? No. Do I think it's still an experimental drug that only has emergency authorization and hasn't been properly studied? Yup
Has the same amount of studying as any other vaccine mate
Is that why it has an Emergency Use Authorization instead of normal FDA approval?
EUA just means the vaccine for covid was tested at the same time of mass production
New types of vaccines need to be tested for a long time obviously. Not every vaccine. Otherwise how would we have a new flu vaccine every season?
Also, Salk Institute just released a study that the COVID protein spikes cause tissue and vascular damage even without the virus being present.
Yeah all the more reason to get vaccinated?
The vaccine causes your cells to make and release the COVID spike protein. https://www. cdc. gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/mrna. html#:~:text=COVID-19%20mRNA%20vaccines%20give, virus%20that%20causes%20COVID-19.
Whatever that is doesn't lead to anywhere
Really? Thousands of people weekly are reporting severe side effects. Check out yellowcard.
Yeah there's side effects to vaccines? Kinda obvious...
Yes. And normally you can hold makers liable if a vaccine is killing people. But Pfizer and Moderna negotiated 100% civil immunity for these vaccines. These vaccines could give you a 75% chance of cancer but you could not sue them. You also cannot appeal to the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program like a vaccine. https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccine-compensation/faq
They haven't been liable since 1988
According to 42 U. S. Code Β§ 300aaβ22, "No vaccine manufacturer shall be liable in a civil action for damages arising from a vaccine-related injury or death associated with the administration of a vaccine after October 1, 1988, if the injury or death resulted from side effects that were unavoidable even though the vaccine was properly prepared and was accompanied by proper directions and warnings."
mRNA has cancer fighting abilities...
www.cnbc.com/.../...ects-compensation-lawsuit.html
Yes well done.. like I said above...
The PREP act was 2020 and provide very different immunity from the 1988 act.
www.phe.gov/.../...y-for-COVID-19-Vaccinators.aspx
Your act cited immunity except for a few things. The 2020 act gave them immunity except for Willful Misconduct.
"Under the PREP Act, a qualified person is a covered person. Except for willful misconduct, a covered person is immune from lawsuits and liability under federal and state law with respect to all claims for loss resulting from the administration or use of a covered countermeasure, such as a COVID-19 vaccine, if they meet criteria stated in a declaration under the PREP Act issued for the health emergency or threat and covered countermeasure."
Yep and?
All I'm saying is it's not a new thing to do
They explicitly changed it from the 1988 standard so that the COVID vaccine makers could only be sued for willful misconduct. That's pretty heavy.
And fair enough. If you read the article that you posted it'll tell you that by doing that it's made the vaccine cheaper which makes it far more beneficial for the govt to distribute.
Yes. We could probably make quite a few products cheaper by eliminating liability except for willful neglect.
Sounds perfect
Interesting. Would you be interested in buying cheaper food, or driving cheaper cars, living in cheaper housing, or working in cheaper buildings, knowing that the producer could not be liable for defects except for willful negligence?
See, if you accidentally do something dumb and contaminate food, that could be sued as negligence. For willful negligence, if you bought a product and it harmed you, it wouldn't matter if the company was shown negligent/sloppy. You would have to prove they deliberately chose to be negligent.
Do you know how hard it is to contaminate food without wilful neglegence? Have you ever worked in food? Everyone knows the rules if you break them that is wilful neglegence. You know that if you cut ready to eat vegetables on a board you just cut raw chicken on that there is a chance you could give someone food poisoning.
I'm not bothered with sueing companies tbh. Most of the time it's user error but companies just settle to make them stfu
Harrison Ford is irratiating our testicles with microwave beams from outer space.
No. Who claims they do?
They better track you by your smartphone, anyway.
Not yet elon Musk been working on chip tho He wants to use for good stuff he doesn't know he is a pawn
Look up neurolink it would actually fit
Breaking news dutch researchers trained bees to smell the covid now they are making a chip to imitate it got this from mainstream media